Lots of talk good & bad about OBJ and his coming big pay day. For me it's easy to see his worst game as the week after the boat trip and the debacle in Green Bay.
Trying to nail down Beckham's best game that represents his will to win is a little tougher choice for me. Oct. 16th 2016 Baltimore Ravens at New York Giants.
Giants ball, 4th quarter, 3rd down with 4 to go at the NYG 31. 1:43 left on the game clock. Eli finds Donnell in great position to get that first down and Eli hits him with a well thrown pass. Donnell with his large size is certain to get that 1st down. Except it doesn't happen. With a defender closing in on him, Donnell runs out of bounds a yard short of the sticks!!!
At this point, fans want Donnell's head on a stick. Now it's 4th and 1 with 1:43 to go. What happens?
| (No Huddle, Shotgun) 10-E.Manning pass short middle to 13-O.Beckham for 66 yards, TOUCHDOWN. |
That play, OBJ's 2nd TD that day showed me what he is willing to do for his team to win. Giants win 27-23.
Anyone have a better game in mind that may be a better defining game?
Who cares...a lot of players have played poorly in their first playoff game. Eli was awful against Carolina in 2005, yet has two historically great playoff runs..
I am going to leave this here...courtesy of Gatorade Dunk for doing his homework on the comparison between Eli and OBJ vs Matt Ryan and Julio Jones...
Eli Manning career stats as of week 2 2017:
Targeting Beckham: 63%, 35-7 TD-INT, 111.4 passer rating
Targeting anyone else: 59.5%, 285-209 TD/INT, 79.9 passer rating
I took a look at Matt Ryan & Julio Jones to give us a point of reference:
Non-Julio: 67.4%; 125-57 TD-INT; 94.42 rating; 7.02 Y/A; 10.42 Y/C
Tgt-Julio: 63.2%; 43-18 TD-INT; 102.96 rating; 9.79 Y/A; 15.48 Y/C
So the variance for Ryan between when he throws to Jones vs. other receivers isn't nearly as significant as it is for Manning w/ Beckham (8 pts vs. 30).
You cannot just dismiss this. Odell has proven that he is so great that he himself can elevate the QB and offense. Trading him makes no sense. You will never get value in return for a player of his caliber.
Here's to hoping we go 14-2 every year from here on out and there is never a reason for all the bullshit. But you BETTER believe when things go south, so will his attitude and performance. It is sad, but the reality of the situation. Just like LeBron, his individual accolades trump the thoughts of a team achievement, and that is all that is important to these guys. Unfortunately in the NFL it is a lot easier to shut down superstars with a team effort than it is in the NBA. I really don't want to trade him because thats when he will get it and light the NFL on fire, but jesus I don't like prima donnas, and he is FOR SURE the biggest one in the NFL, not sure it is even up for debate.
Also before we get the whole "old man yelling at the clouds" comments, I'm 30. I love Beckham, if he was in Pittsburgh or really anywhere else the last two years, he probably would have caught 120 balls each year. But he is bad for the locker room, I don't give A FUCK if his teammates love him.
Here's to hoping we go 14-2 every year from here on out and there is never a reason for all the bullshit. But you BETTER believe when things go south, so will his attitude and performance. It is sad, but the reality of the situation. Just like LeBron, his individual accolades trump the thoughts of a team achievement, and that is all that is important to these guys. Unfortunately in the NFL it is a lot easier to shut down superstars with a team effort than it is in the NBA. I really don't want to trade him because thats when he will get it and light the NFL on fire, but jesus I don't like prima donnas, and he is FOR SURE the biggest one in the NFL, not sure it is even up for debate.
Also before we get the whole "old man yelling at the clouds" comments, I'm 30. I love Beckham, if he was in Pittsburgh or really anywhere else the last two years, he probably would have caught 120 balls each year. But he is bad for the locker room, I don't give A FUCK if his teammates love him.
This is one of the most off-base posts in the entire thread.
He is "bad for the locker room" based on what? There is absolutely zero evidence to back that up.
Did we not have losing seasons the first 2 years he was here? How did he act like LeBron?
People create such ridiculous narratives about this dude.
If Beckham had the personality of Eli Manning - how many of you "signing him would be a huge mistake" people would still be saying that? My guess is.... none...
BBI had a former poster who would have still claimed "big mistake" named "chrisr".
I challenge you to find 1 shred of evidence from a player or coach who said that or implied it. But keep hitting that Schlitz.
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If Beckham had the personality of Eli Manning - how many of you "signing him would be a huge mistake" people would still be saying that? My guess is.... none...
BBI had a former poster who would have still claimed "big mistake" named "chrisr".
LOL, good point vax... radar never saw an opinion he couldn't disagree with.
Correct. After Steve Smith, Hakeem Nicks and Victor Cruz, the football gods will make sure OBJ has a nice long career.
And to an extent, you can't really separate Beckham the player from Beckham the "person", since his immaturity routinely costs them 15 yards. Granted from most accounts his on-field immaturity doesn't transfer over to off-field immaturity as he is well respected as a teammate, works his a$$ off, stays out of legal trouble, and has helped raise money for good causes.
People bring up the bad side from the Carolina game. How about pointing out the fact that Beckham was picked up and bodyslammed on a play he wasn't involved in by Josh Norman on the 2nd play of the game, in front of a referee and nothing was called and no warnings were given. Norman bacially tried to hurt Beckham and got away with it. Wouldn't you be pissed if someone just picked you up out of nowhere and dumped you on your head and just walks away from it laughing?
Here's to hoping we go 14-2 every year from here on out and there is never a reason for all the bullshit. But you BETTER believe when things go south, so will his attitude and performance. It is sad, but the reality of the situation. Just like LeBron, his individual accolades trump the thoughts of a team achievement, and that is all that is important to these guys. Unfortunately in the NFL it is a lot easier to shut down superstars with a team effort than it is in the NBA. I really don't want to trade him because thats when he will get it and light the NFL on fire, but jesus I don't like prima donnas, and he is FOR SURE the biggest one in the NFL, not sure it is even up for debate.
Also before we get the whole "old man yelling at the clouds" comments, I'm 30. I love Beckham, if he was in Pittsburgh or really anywhere else the last two years, he probably would have caught 120 balls each year. But he is bad for the locker room, I don't give A FUCK if his teammates love him.
You love putting that word in all caps, huh? I suspect you'll be done here soon.
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he is. He didn't give a FUCK about the team in that instance. Tough to argue against that.
You love putting that word in all caps, huh? I suspect you'll be done here soon.
He's drinking again.
I’m really excited to see what he does with a real NFL coaching staff. Think about how poorly OBJ has been used. A real coach, which we have now, and hopefully Shula as OC should make OBJ even better. I think, I hope, we’ve seen the worst of the stupid stuff, and what’s really exciting is that I actually don’t think we’ve seen the full force of what OBJ can do on the football field.
Still ticks me off that after all those cheap shots from Fisher/Williams & Co. that OBJ came out of that game as the bad guy.
The following week, they kissed and made up.
Like those multiple games he’s won for us? He has what it takes to be a winner, and he WANTS to be a winner. It drives him.
Not everyone is Eli.
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where the most damage he did was to the locker room wall. Please make it stop with this guy. He's a tremendous talent who has to show that he has the maturity to be a winner.
Like those multiple games he’s won for us? He has what it takes to be a winner, and he WANTS to be a winner. It drives him.
Not everyone is Eli.
they are 26-38 in 4 years with 1 playoff appearance where by some miracle the Defense carried them in. In his most important game of his career he shit the bed and had a temper tantrum after.
Unfortunately, Beckham's stigma right now is he is an outstanding talent with a diva attitude who doesn't seem to make much of an impact on the team's W-L record.
But.... he is a generational talent :)
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where the most damage he did was to the locker room wall. Please make it stop with this guy. He's a tremendous talent who has to show that he has the maturity to be a winner.
Like those multiple games he’s won for us? He has what it takes to be a winner, and he WANTS to be a winner. It drives him.
Not everyone is Eli.
they are 26-38 in 4 years with 1 playoff appearance where by some miracle the Defense carried them in. In his most important game of his career he shit the bed and had a temper tantrum after.
And how many of those 26 did he have a major hand in winnng? Is it his fault the defense blew 6 leads in 2015?
What’s wrong with him punching the wall after playing bad and loosing? That shows he knows he can do better, and that he wants to win.
Unfortunately, Beckham's stigma right now is he is an outstanding talent with a diva attitude who doesn't seem to make much of an impact on the team's W-L record.
That's probably the dumbest thing you've ever said.
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where the most damage he did was to the locker room wall. Please make it stop with this guy. He's a tremendous talent who has to show that he has the maturity to be a winner.
Like those multiple games he’s won for us? He has what it takes to be a winner, and he WANTS to be a winner. It drives him.
Not everyone is Eli.
they are 26-38 in 4 years with 1 playoff appearance where by some miracle the Defense carried them in. In his most important game of his career he shit the bed and had a temper tantrum after.
21-26 in games that he played; 5-12 in games when he didn't. Eli's passer rating when throwing to Beckham: 112.4; when throwing to anyone else: 83.4. Beckham isn't the problem. The fact that the rest of the team is nowhere near as talented as Beckham is - that's the problem.
You want to talk about his first playoff game? Let's talk about Eli's too (10-18, 113 yards, 0 TDs, 3 INTs). Or Jerry Rice's (4-45, 0 TDs). Or Reggie Wayne's (3-17, 0 TDs). Or Hines Ward's (3-37, 0 TDs). Every one of those guys went on to subsequently win a Super Bowl with their team despite a "shit the bed" performance in their playoff debut.
BFD, he punched a wall after the game. The lengths that people go to in an attempt to disparage the best player on the team is, quite frankly, embarrassing.
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probably the best one to pick.
Unfortunately, Beckham's stigma right now is he is an outstanding talent with a diva attitude who doesn't seem to make much of an impact on the team's W-L record.
That's probably the dumbest thing you've ever said.
what in that statement is not true?
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probably the best one to pick.
Unfortunately, Beckham's stigma right now is he is an outstanding talent with a diva attitude who doesn't seem to make much of an impact on the team's W-L record.
That's probably the dumbest thing you've ever said.
what in that statement is not true?
Um, the whole freaking thing. Fans are ridiculous. It says a lot about a person that they completely overlook the 3 years of domination and only want to focus on the bad things. A lot.
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probably the best one to pick.
Unfortunately, Beckham's stigma right now is he is an outstanding talent with a diva attitude who doesn't seem to make much of an impact on the team's W-L record.
That's probably the dumbest thing you've ever said.
what in that statement is not true?
Um, the whole freaking thing. Fans are ridiculous. It says a lot about a person that they completely overlook the 3 years of domination and only want to focus on the bad things. A lot.
miss this part?: "outstanding talent".
nobody disputes his ability. the question that needs to be answered before committing huge $$ to him is can he grow up and be a true star who affects the W-L?
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probably the best one to pick.
Unfortunately, Beckham's stigma right now is he is an outstanding talent with a diva attitude who doesn't seem to make much of an impact on the team's W-L record.
That's probably the dumbest thing you've ever said.
what in that statement is not true?
Um, the whole freaking thing. Fans are ridiculous. It says a lot about a person that they completely overlook the 3 years of domination and only want to focus on the bad things. A lot.
miss this part?: "outstanding talent".
nobody disputes his ability. the question that needs to be answered before committing huge $$ to him is can he grow up and be a true star who affects the W-L?
The Giants' winning percentage is more than 50% better when Beckham plans than when he doesn't. He does affect W/L. He needs more talent around him, that's all.
Oh sorry, maybe he should go play defense a little. Or maybe he should throw the ball to himself.
Clownb.
Look at the numbers,
It's ugly.
He makes about as much of a difference as a single non-QB can possibly make.
If anyone thinks one WR is going to be responsible for something insane like a 5 game swing in wins and losses, then you should probably move your goalpoasts back to somewhere realistic because there's not a single player in this league who isn't a QB that leverages wins and losses that heavily.
This senseless bullshit about being offended that he fake peed on an endline in Philadelphia - honest to God, shut up. He scored 2 touchdowns in that game, one an incredibly gifted catch, to put us in position to win that game on the road against the eventual SB champs. Defense then proceeded to blow it - anyone that came out of that game more outraged by OBJs celebration of his teams success than by the Defense laying down like dogs late in the 4Q ... has an agenda or priorities way out of whack.
How many times do GD and I have to say it?? Eli's career passer rating is 30 points higher when targeting Beckham than when targeting anyone else. Odell is so good at receiver that he not only carries the offense, he elevates the QB. Ask yourself, what would he the best situation possible for Josh Rosen or Sam Darnold in 2019? It would be throwing to Odell Beckham. Just stop with your petty complaints about Odell's personality. He is a fucking star.
That's the one that comes to my mind...a lack of control.
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but what about the game he was out of control in Carolina? The fact that particular game was even close at the end was remarkable regardless of what transpired prior. I remember not being able to watch that game but I was getting texts from people how bad they were and then all of a sudden they just kept scoring and made a game of it.
That's the one that comes to my mind...a lack of control.
You registered specifically to post that and only that? Interesting.
You registered specifically to post that and only that? Interesting.
IMO, it's too easy to post. Should be a 2 week waiting period.
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but what about the game he was out of control in Carolina? The fact that particular game was even close at the end was remarkable regardless of what transpired prior. I remember not being able to watch that game but I was getting texts from people how bad they were and then all of a sudden they just kept scoring and made a game of it.
That's the one that comes to my mind...a lack of control.
You registered specifically to post that and only that? Interesting.
No, re-registered. Haven't been on in years. Just seeing if I was active, sorry to disappoint you with my brevity.