Beckham's defining game?

probably the best one to pick.

Unfortunately, Beckham's stigma right now is he is an outstanding talent with a diva attitude who doesn't seem to make much of an impact on the team's W-L record.

but what about the game he was out of control in Carolina? The fact that particular game was even close at the end was remarkable regardless of what transpired prior. I remember not being able to watch that game but I was getting texts from people how bad they were and then all of a sudden they just kept scoring and made a game of it.

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but what about the game he was out of control in Carolina? ...

That game, the Green Bay game and the dog piss game are certainly ones to show why he should be traded. I just tried to cite a game that showed he is worth a re-sign and shows just how much skill he has.

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but what about the game he was out of control in Carolina? The fact that particular game was even close at the end was remarkable regardless of what transpired prior. I remember not being able to watch that game but I was getting texts from people how bad they were and then all of a sudden they just kept scoring and made a game of it.

+1...my favorite Beckham game thus far.

was week 5 in his rookie season. That's when we all saw what an electric talent he is. He's been the best player on the field in every single game that he's played since. The world has the Dallas game(the catch) as the defining moment.

In comment 13833776 robbieballs2003 said:

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but what about the game he was out of control in Carolina? The fact that particular game was even close at the end was remarkable regardless of what transpired prior. I remember not being able to watch that game but I was getting texts from people how bad they were and then all of a sudden they just kept scoring and made a game of it.

Good post and I agree. Was one of the craziest games I've ever seen.

Showing his ability to win is the Carolina game in my opinion. The Giants scored 21 points in the 4th quarter to tie up the game on the heels of Beckham's TD only to give up a FG at the end to lose. But, Beckham, even after all of the shenanigans, was able to post 3 catches for 52 yards and a TD in the 4th quarter alone to tie up a game that was all but over.

But, what is his defining moment? Imo, that is easy. It was the game against Dallas where he caught the ball behind his head with 3 fingers while having enough body control to stay in bounds and fight off the DB who interfered him. That was his defining moment/game.

In comment 13833774 Eric from BBI said:

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probably the best one to pick. Unfortunately, Beckham's stigma right now is he is an outstanding talent with a diva attitude who doesn't seem to make much of an impact on the team's W-L record.

I know this isn't necessarily your opinion - I just hate the argument re: W/L's

Outside of the QB position, how many guys in this league can leverage wins and losses on their own as single entities?

Football is so much about being the sum of parts. I can go down the list of some of the best players in the league who aren't QB's and probably say the same about them.

If we decide that Beckham doesn't have enough impact on wins and losses, can't we do the same for anyone else? Eventually, there's no one left.

Lastly, I think the idea that Beckham doesn't have a positive impact on the record is very much false.

He was pretty much the largest reason why we won several games last year... BAL, DAL, CLE, DET, etc. He made game-changing plays in all of those games.

The offense has been absolutely horrendous without him on the field.

Bench. The one thing that stood out to me was the refs genuinely wanted the Giants to lose. And also that touchdown by Odell:)

I sign this guy to be my big player on the team and if the Giants do, they are making a catastrophic mistake that they will not rebound from for a very long time. That is a Jerry Reese guy all the way, big time wideout, that was his specialty. Trade him, they may get 2 first round picks for him and if they do you run with them. Giants need to get back to being the Giants.

In comment 13833796 arcarsenal said:

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In comment 13833774 Eric from BBI said: Quote: probably the best one to pick. Unfortunately, Beckham's stigma right now is he is an outstanding talent with a diva attitude who doesn't seem to make much of an impact on the team's W-L record. I know this isn't necessarily your opinion - I just hate the argument re: W/L's Outside of the QB position, how many guys in this league can leverage wins and losses on their own as single entities? Football is so much about being the sum of parts. I can go down the list of some of the best players in the league who aren't QB's and probably say the same about them. If we decide that Beckham doesn't have enough impact on wins and losses, can't we do the same for anyone else? Eventually, there's no one left. Lastly, I think the idea that Beckham doesn't have a positive impact on the record is very much false. He was pretty much the largest reason why we won several games last year... BAL, DAL, CLE, DET, etc. He made game-changing plays in all of those games. The offense has been absolutely horrendous without him on the field.

Couldn't agree more, and why I hate the "big time WR's don't win Super Bowls" argument.

Sure maybe they haven't that often, but why? What else was that team missing? Is it Calvin Johnson's fault Detroit couldn't put together a winner around him? Julio's fault the coaching staff and defense pissed away a 25 point lead? Randy Moss' fault the defense gave up a TD after he scored the game winning one.

Football isn't tennis or even basketball. Way too much goes into it.

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I sign this guy to be my big player on the team and if the Giants do, they are making a catastrophic mistake that they will not rebound from for a very long time. That is a Jerry Reese guy all the way, big time wideout, that was his specialty. Trade him, they may get 2 first round picks for him and if they do you run with them. Giants need to get back to being the Giants.

Agree to disagree. He is not a luxury, he is a phenom, one of the best players in the entire NFL. I have posted it enough, look at Eli's career numbers when targeting Beckham vs. targeting anyone else in his career. It is a 30 point difference in passer rating.

He is a completely game changing talent. Who in the NFL is trading away superstar WRs in their prime? AJ Green, Calvin Johnson, Julio Jones, Dez, Antonio Brown, etc. all got monster deals to stay with the teams that drafted them. You can argue all you want that none of them have ever won a Superbowl, it was not their fault.

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I sign this guy to be my big player on the team and if the Giants do, they are making a catastrophic mistake that they will not rebound from for a very long time. That is a Jerry Reese guy all the way, big time wideout, that was his specialty. Trade him, they may get 2 first round picks for him and if they do you run with them. Giants need to get back to being the Giants.

Please enlighten me to what "back to being the Giants" means.

The ones that signed Josh Brown? The ones that gave Tito Wooten a contract extension after multiple domestic abuse arrests?

One other thing.

People need to stop letting their view of Odell Beckham Jr. the person cloud their view of Odell Beckham Jr. the player.

The person is, by all accounts, a pretty darn good guy anyway - beloved by his teammates, has friends all over the league, a family man, no legal issues, etc.

But I get it - some of the "optics" rub some of the old school guys the wrong way. He's a little immature.

But this stuff has very little bearing on the impact the player has on the field.

If Beckham had the personality of Eli Manning - how many of you "signing him would be a huge mistake" people would still be saying that? My guess is.... none.

If you don't like the guy as a person, that's your right (though I find it a bit petty, personally) - but once you start factoring that into how you view the player, it's hard to take seriously.

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I sign this guy to be my big player on the team and if the Giants do, they are making a catastrophic mistake that they will not rebound from for a very long time. That is a Jerry Reese guy all the way, big time wideout, that was his specialty. Trade him, they may get 2 first round picks for him and if they do you run with them. Giants need to get back to being the Giants.

There has never been a stronger endorsement for the Giants signing OBJ to a long-term deal than PaulN suggesting that they shouldn't.

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I sign this guy to be my big player on the team and if the Giants do, they are making a catastrophic mistake that they will not rebound from for a very long time. That is a Jerry Reese guy all the way, big time wideout, that was his specialty. Trade him, they may get 2 first round picks for him and if they do you run with them. Giants need to get back to being the Giants.

This is truly spectacular. You've outdone yourself, which is no easy feat.

Showcased his best and worst.

And to an extent, you can't really separate Beckham the player from Beckham the "person", since his immaturity routinely costs them 15 yards. Granted from most accounts his on-field immaturity doesn't transfer over to off-field immaturity as he is well respected as a teammate, works his a$$ off, stays out of legal trouble, and has helped raise money for good causes.

Aren’t the NYG a sub .500 team when Beckham is on the field over the course of his career?

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Aren’t the NYG a sub .500 team when Beckham is on the field over the course of his career?

Insightful.

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Aren’t the NYG a sub .500 team when Beckham is on the field over the course of his career?

Aren't they like a sub .200 team without him over his career?

The pile of turd he dropped on Lambeau Field.

Family man?

Best player on the field in every game he's played in?

I swear some of you guys would line up to wipe his ass.

VS The Baltimore Ravens was unreal

and got Coughlin fired.

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In comment 13833833 The_Boss said: Quote: Aren’t the NYG a sub .500 team when Beckham is on the field over the course of his career? Aren't they like a sub .200 team without him over his career?

21-26 (.45) with Beckham
5-12 (.29) without Beckham

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In comment 13833833 The_Boss said: Quote: Aren’t the NYG a sub .500 team when Beckham is on the field over the course of his career? Insightful.

Truth hurts? Beckham is an incredible talent who, let’s be real, has shined in a (mostly) losing culture since the day he stepped onto the field as a professional. You know what a real “defining game” is? LT in New Orleans playing with one arm.

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Aren’t the NYG a sub .500 team when Beckham is on the field over the course of his career?

And Landon Collins too. In fact, Eli is only eight games above .500 for his career - not even one game per season! Get rid of all of them. Brilliant thought.

Here's the reality: with OBJ in the lineup over the past four years, the Giants have a .404 winning percentage; when he's out, they have a .294 winning percentage.

In comment 13833854 Gatorade Dunk said:

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In comment 13833833 The_Boss said: Quote: Aren’t the NYG a sub .500 team when Beckham is on the field over the course of his career? And Landon Collins too. In fact, Eli is only eight games above .500 for his career - not even one game per season! Get rid of all of them. Brilliant thought. Here's the reality: with OBJ in the lineup over the past four years, the Giants have a .404 winning percentage; when he's out, they have a .294 winning percentage.

Can you look at my post again and let me know where I said to get rid of any player. I’ll wait....

In comment 13833854 Gatorade Dunk said:

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In comment 13833833 The_Boss said: Quote: Aren’t the NYG a sub .500 team when Beckham is on the field over the course of his career? And Landon Collins too. In fact, Eli is only eight games above .500 for his career - not even one game per season! Get rid of all of them. Brilliant thought. Here's the reality: with OBJ in the lineup over the past four years, the Giants have a .404 winning percentage; when he's out, they have a .294 winning percentage.

giants#1's numbers earlier in the thread are correct. I counted the 9 losses they had without him this past season in the "with" total (instead of the 4 losses they actually had).

In comment 13833858 The_Boss said:

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In comment 13833854 Gatorade Dunk said: Quote: In comment 13833833 The_Boss said: Quote: Aren’t the NYG a sub .500 team when Beckham is on the field over the course of his career? And Landon Collins too. In fact, Eli is only eight games above .500 for his career - not even one game per season! Get rid of all of them. Brilliant thought. Here's the reality: with OBJ in the lineup over the past four years, the Giants have a .404 winning percentage; when he's out, they have a .294 winning percentage. Can you look at my post again and let me know where I said to get rid of any player. I’ll wait....

So your post was just pointless then?

vs. NE 16
vs. CAR 16
vs. WASH 16
vs. DAL 17
vs. BAL 17

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Truth hurts? Beckham is an incredible talent who, let’s be real, has shined in a (mostly) losing culture since the day he stepped onto the field as a professional. You know what a real “defining game” is? LT in New Orleans playing with one arm.

Doubling down does you no favors.

In comment 13833861 Gatorade Dunk said:

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In comment 13833858 The_Boss said: Quote: In comment 13833854 Gatorade Dunk said: Quote: In comment 13833833 The_Boss said: Quote: Aren’t the NYG a sub .500 team when Beckham is on the field over the course of his career? And Landon Collins too. In fact, Eli is only eight games above .500 for his career - not even one game per season! Get rid of all of them. Brilliant thought. Here's the reality: with OBJ in the lineup over the past four years, the Giants have a .404 winning percentage; when he's out, they have a .294 winning percentage. Can you look at my post again and let me know where I said to get rid of any player. I’ll wait.... So your post was just pointless then?

No. It was based on FACT, just like 99.9999% of what I post on this site.

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The pile of turd he dropped on Lambeau Field. Family man? Best player on the field in every game he's played in? I swear some of you guys would line up to wipe his ass.

Eli's first playoff game was terrible. Guess we should have never signed him then.

In comment 13833868 The_Boss said:

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In comment 13833861 Gatorade Dunk said: Quote: In comment 13833858 The_Boss said: Quote: In comment 13833854 Gatorade Dunk said: Quote: In comment 13833833 The_Boss said: Quote: Aren’t the NYG a sub .500 team when Beckham is on the field over the course of his career? And Landon Collins too. In fact, Eli is only eight games above .500 for his career - not even one game per season! Get rid of all of them. Brilliant thought. Here's the reality: with OBJ in the lineup over the past four years, the Giants have a .404 winning percentage; when he's out, they have a .294 winning percentage. Can you look at my post again and let me know where I said to get rid of any player. I’ll wait.... So your post was just pointless then? No. It was based on FACT, just like 99.9999% of what I post on this site.

A random fact presented without directional conclusion is pointless. And I think it was pretty obvious what you were implying, but are now walking it back because you didn't expect that their record was so much worse without OBJ than it is with him.

In comment 13833877 Gatorade Dunk said:

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In comment 13833868 The_Boss said: Quote: In comment 13833861 Gatorade Dunk said: Quote: In comment 13833858 The_Boss said: Quote: In comment 13833854 Gatorade Dunk said: Quote: In comment 13833833 The_Boss said: Quote: Aren’t the NYG a sub .500 team when Beckham is on the field over the course of his career? And Landon Collins too. In fact, Eli is only eight games above .500 for his career - not even one game per season! Get rid of all of them. Brilliant thought. Here's the reality: with OBJ in the lineup over the past four years, the Giants have a .404 winning percentage; when he's out, they have a .294 winning percentage. Can you look at my post again and let me know where I said to get rid of any player. I’ll wait.... So your post was just pointless then? No. It was based on FACT, just like 99.9999% of what I post on this site. A random fact presented without directional conclusion is pointless. And I think it was pretty obvious what you were implying, but are now walking it back because you didn't expect that their record was so much worse without OBJ than it is with him.

The hell are you talking about? I’m not walking anything back. Nor am
I implying anything. I didn’t expect them to be so much worse without him?? You’re joking right? I’ve said since the Minnesota game in that outdoor stadium when they got beaten pretty soundly without Beckham that they’re essentially unwatchable when he’s out. They’re bad without him. They’re god awful without him. Either way, he’s been part of a losing culture.

In comment 13833886 The_Boss said:

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In comment 13833877 Gatorade Dunk said: Quote: In comment 13833868 The_Boss said: Quote: In comment 13833861 Gatorade Dunk said: Quote: In comment 13833858 The_Boss said: Quote: In comment 13833854 Gatorade Dunk said: Quote: In comment 13833833 The_Boss said: Quote: Aren’t the NYG a sub .500 team when Beckham is on the field over the course of his career? And Landon Collins too. In fact, Eli is only eight games above .500 for his career - not even one game per season! Get rid of all of them. Brilliant thought. Here's the reality: with OBJ in the lineup over the past four years, the Giants have a .404 winning percentage; when he's out, they have a .294 winning percentage. Can you look at my post again and let me know where I said to get rid of any player. I’ll wait.... So your post was just pointless then? No. It was based on FACT, just like 99.9999% of what I post on this site. A random fact presented without directional conclusion is pointless. And I think it was pretty obvious what you were implying, but are now walking it back because you didn't expect that their record was so much worse without OBJ than it is with him. The hell are you talking about? I’m not walking anything back. Nor am I implying anything. I didn’t expect them to be so much worse without him?? You’re joking right? I’ve said since the Minnesota game in that outdoor stadium when they got beaten pretty soundly without Beckham that they’re essentially unwatchable when he’s out. They’re bad without him. They’re god awful without him. Either way, he’s been part of a losing culture.

** they’re bad with him. God awful without **

2014 - 29th
2015 - 32nd
2016 - 10th
2017 - 31st

Is Beckham "part of the losing culture" or is it damn near impossible to win football games with a horrendous defense?

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2014 - 29th 2015 - 32nd 2016 - 10th 2017 - 31st Is Beckham "part of the losing culture" or is it damn near impossible to win football games with a horrendous defense?

Yeah he is. So is Eli. So is Collins. So is Pugh. So has everyone really, since mid season of 2012. That includes the ownership and front office. Yeah they had a fluke season in 2016, but the trend has been quite the opposite.

Rock on brother, don't stop being you.

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but what about the game he was out of control in Carolina? The fact that particular game was even close at the end was remarkable regardless of what transpired prior. I remember not being able to watch that game but I was getting texts from people how bad they were and then all of a sudden they just kept scoring and made a game of it.

If the Giants would have pulled off that game I think the narrative surrounding Odell Beckham changes completely. He was the single biggest reason for the Giants comeback - the Josh Norman stuff would have either been a complete after thought or seen as an example of his competitive drive.

2 number 1s and 2 number 2s why not he’s the best right ?

Let’s see what happens with that foot injury.

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was week 5 in his rookie season. That's when we all saw what an electric talent he is. He's been the best player on the field in every single game that he's played since. The world has the Dallas game(the catch) as the defining moment.

The guy is great as is no reason to exaggerate. Was he the best player on the field in the playoff game? How about that Vikings game where he might as well not have played? Dude's great but let's not pretend he's elite every game. No one is.

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probably the best one to pick. Unfortunately, Beckham's stigma right now is he is an outstanding talent with a diva attitude who doesn't seem to make much of an impact on the team's W-L record.

I don't know, Eric, he certainly made a W-L impact in 2016.

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2 number 1s and 2 number 2s why not he’s the best right ? Let’s see what happens with that foot injury.

Who is offering this?

I love when fans just make up trade offers that don't exist.

In comment 13833823 arcarsenal said:

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One other thing. People need to stop letting their view of Odell Beckham Jr. the person cloud their view of Odell Beckham Jr. the player. The person is, by all accounts, a pretty darn good guy anyway - beloved by his teammates, has friends all over the league, a family man, no legal issues, etc. But I get it - some of the "optics" rub some of the old school guys the wrong way. He's a little immature. But this stuff has very little bearing on the impact the player has on the field. If Beckham had the personality of Eli Manning - how many of you "signing him would be a huge mistake" people would still be saying that? My guess is.... none. If you don't like the guy as a person, that's your right (though I find it a bit petty, personally) - but once you start factoring that into how you view the player, it's hard to take seriously.

Agree wholeheartedly. He's a good kid (emphasis on the kid) and a phenomenal talent. He should be a Giant for life.

is that he came up extremely small in the one playoff game he played. He had opportunities to make plays and didn't. And that's the only playoff game we have to go off, so it makes him look probably unfairly as not a big game player.

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In comment 13833840 Chris684 said: Quote: The pile of turd he dropped on Lambeau Field. Family man? Best player on the field in every game he's played in? I swear some of you guys would line up to wipe his ass. Eli's first playoff game was terrible. Guess we should have never signed him then.

Not to mention completely underwhelming first playoff performances by guys like Jerry Rice or Antonio Brown.

Marvin Harrison, anyone? 3 catches on 10 targets in his first playoff game back in 1996.

Terrell Owens? 1 catch, 7 yards.

There is a massive sample size of Beckham being an elite player - better than the vast majority of guys who play his position.

But it makes the guys who hate him feel better to harp on one of the rare games he played in and had little impact and act like it's some indication that he can't show up in a big spot.

and lord... lets continue burn him in effigy for the Green Bay playoff game. Some of you all are just clowns.

Anybody remember Eli Manning's first playoff against Carolina??

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is that he came up extremely small in the one playoff game he played. He had opportunities to make plays and didn't. And that's the only playoff game we have to go off, so it makes him look probably unfairly as not a big game player.

Who cares...a lot of players have played poorly in their first playoff game. Eli was awful against Carolina in 2005, yet has two historically great playoff runs..

I am going to leave this here...courtesy of Gatorade Dunk for doing his homework on the comparison between Eli and OBJ vs Matt Ryan and Julio Jones...

Eli Manning career stats as of week 2 2017:

Targeting Beckham: 63%, 35-7 TD-INT, 111.4 passer rating

Targeting anyone else: 59.5%, 285-209 TD/INT, 79.9 passer rating

I took a look at Matt Ryan & Julio Jones to give us a point of reference:

Non-Julio: 67.4%; 125-57 TD-INT; 94.42 rating; 7.02 Y/A; 10.42 Y/C
Tgt-Julio: 63.2%; 43-18 TD-INT; 102.96 rating; 9.79 Y/A; 15.48 Y/C

So the variance for Ryan between when he throws to Jones vs. other receivers isn't nearly as significant as it is for Manning w/ Beckham (8 pts vs. 30).

You cannot just dismiss this. Odell has proven that he is so great that he himself can elevate the QB and offense. Trading him makes no sense. You will never get value in return for a player of his caliber.

Beckham is what this generation is. He is the Lebron of Football, maybe the most gifted athlete in the game, but an absolute child when it comes to maturity. Same passive aggressive bullshit on social media. Always having to involve himself and be the heart of a story. Unfortunately for us, you can't win in football by just having the best athlete in the sport. LeBron is very easy to deal with when the Cavs are winning, but we have gotten a taste of OBJ and non-winning seasons; and it is IDENTICAL to the way LeBron acts when he is not getting EXACTLY what he wants when his teammates and front office does not cater to him.

Here's to hoping we go 14-2 every year from here on out and there is never a reason for all the bullshit. But you BETTER believe when things go south, so will his attitude and performance. It is sad, but the reality of the situation. Just like LeBron, his individual accolades trump the thoughts of a team achievement, and that is all that is important to these guys. Unfortunately in the NFL it is a lot easier to shut down superstars with a team effort than it is in the NBA. I really don't want to trade him because thats when he will get it and light the NFL on fire, but jesus I don't like prima donnas, and he is FOR SURE the biggest one in the NFL, not sure it is even up for debate.

Also before we get the whole "old man yelling at the clouds" comments, I'm 30. I love Beckham, if he was in Pittsburgh or really anywhere else the last two years, he probably would have caught 120 balls each year. But he is bad for the locker room, I don't give A FUCK if his teammates love him.

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Beckham is what this generation is. He is the Lebron of Football, maybe the most gifted athlete in the game, but an absolute child when it comes to maturity. Same passive aggressive bullshit on social media. Always having to involve himself and be the heart of a story. Unfortunately for us, you can't win in football by just having the best athlete in the sport. LeBron is very easy to deal with when the Cavs are winning, but we have gotten a taste of OBJ and non-winning seasons; and it is IDENTICAL to the way LeBron acts when he is not getting EXACTLY what he wants when his teammates and front office does not cater to him. Here's to hoping we go 14-2 every year from here on out and there is never a reason for all the bullshit. But you BETTER believe when things go south, so will his attitude and performance. It is sad, but the reality of the situation. Just like LeBron, his individual accolades trump the thoughts of a team achievement, and that is all that is important to these guys. Unfortunately in the NFL it is a lot easier to shut down superstars with a team effort than it is in the NBA. I really don't want to trade him because thats when he will get it and light the NFL on fire, but jesus I don't like prima donnas, and he is FOR SURE the biggest one in the NFL, not sure it is even up for debate. Also before we get the whole "old man yelling at the clouds" comments, I'm 30. I love Beckham, if he was in Pittsburgh or really anywhere else the last two years, he probably would have caught 120 balls each year. But he is bad for the locker room, I don't give A FUCK if his teammates love him.

This is one of the most off-base posts in the entire thread.

He is "bad for the locker room" based on what? There is absolutely zero evidence to back that up.

Did we not have losing seasons the first 2 years he was here? How did he act like LeBron?

People create such ridiculous narratives about this dude.

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... If Beckham had the personality of Eli Manning - how many of you "signing him would be a huge mistake" people would still be saying that? My guess is.... none...

BBI had a former poster who would have still claimed "big mistake" named "chrisr".

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... But he is bad for the locker room, I don't give A FUCK if his teammates love him.

I challenge you to find 1 shred of evidence from a player or coach who said that or implied it. But keep hitting that Schlitz.

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In comment 13833823 arcarsenal said: Quote: ... If Beckham had the personality of Eli Manning - how many of you "signing him would be a huge mistake" people would still be saying that? My guess is.... none... BBI had a former poster who would have still claimed "big mistake" named "chrisr".

LOL, good point vax... radar never saw an opinion he couldn't disagree with.

Would have garnered more attention if it weren’t for a +60 GW FG and everyone losing their mind over his TD celebration.. both TD’s were clutch and just absolutely special.

I turn XFL fan. It’s that simple.

..his talent and productivity stand on its own. We need to see Beckham within the confines of winning football. BIG winning football. Enough already.

had it yet. Still growing as a player, professional, and man.

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had it yet. Still growing as a player, professional, and man.

Correct. After Steve Smith, Hakeem Nicks and Victor Cruz, the football gods will make sure OBJ has a nice long career.

when he ripped his helmet off and cost us 15 yards. Could have cost us the game.

he is. He didn't give a FUCK about the team in that instance. Tough to argue against that.

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Showcased his best and worst. And to an extent, you can't really separate Beckham the player from Beckham the "person", since his immaturity routinely costs them 15 yards. Granted from most accounts his on-field immaturity doesn't transfer over to off-field immaturity as he is well respected as a teammate, works his a$$ off, stays out of legal trouble, and has helped raise money for good causes.

People bring up the bad side from the Carolina game. How about pointing out the fact that Beckham was picked up and bodyslammed on a play he wasn't involved in by Josh Norman on the 2nd play of the game, in front of a referee and nothing was called and no warnings were given. Norman bacially tried to hurt Beckham and got away with it. Wouldn't you be pissed if someone just picked you up out of nowhere and dumped you on your head and just walks away from it laughing?

the catch against dallas is the iconic play involving beckham where you realized his talent was on another planet, but if you are looking at defining games, the Baltimore one is up there, as are his first game as a pro vs Atlanta and the 2014 game against st Louis.

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Beckham is what this generation is. He is the Lebron of Football, maybe the most gifted athlete in the game, but an absolute child when it comes to maturity. Same passive aggressive bullshit on social media. Always having to involve himself and be the heart of a story. Unfortunately for us, you can't win in football by just having the best athlete in the sport. LeBron is very easy to deal with when the Cavs are winning, but we have gotten a taste of OBJ and non-winning seasons; and it is IDENTICAL to the way LeBron acts when he is not getting EXACTLY what he wants when his teammates and front office does not cater to him. Here's to hoping we go 14-2 every year from here on out and there is never a reason for all the bullshit. But you BETTER believe when things go south, so will his attitude and performance. It is sad, but the reality of the situation. Just like LeBron, his individual accolades trump the thoughts of a team achievement, and that is all that is important to these guys. Unfortunately in the NFL it is a lot easier to shut down superstars with a team effort than it is in the NBA. I really don't want to trade him because thats when he will get it and light the NFL on fire, but jesus I don't like prima donnas, and he is FOR SURE the biggest one in the NFL, not sure it is even up for debate. Also before we get the whole "old man yelling at the clouds" comments, I'm 30. I love Beckham, if he was in Pittsburgh or really anywhere else the last two years, he probably would have caught 120 balls each year. But he is bad for the locker room, I don't give A FUCK if his teammates love him.

Lebron has 3 titles and 4 or 5 other finals appearances. if that is beckham's future, sign me up!

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he is. He didn't give a FUCK about the team in that instance. Tough to argue against that.

You love putting that word in all caps, huh? I suspect you'll be done here soon.

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He's drinking again.

of the woodwork whenever his name is mentioned. Giants fans remind me of insufferable hockey fans with their focus on class and not winning.

Giants records have been without him on the field? Scary to think about...

I’m not an OBJ hater, but special players make special plays on special days. I don’t doubt that OBJ will have some big playoff games. The antics on the field and the dumb penalties need to stop. I think they will. I don’t care what he does off the field or on Twitter or any of that. Just come to play on game day - which he does - and make big plays when it counts the most - which he usually does. Dude works his ass off which is great. Reese said it best, it’s time to grow up.

I’m really excited to see what he does with a real NFL coaching staff. Think about how poorly OBJ has been used. A real coach, which we have now, and hopefully Shula as OC should make OBJ even better. I think, I hope, we’ve seen the worst of the stupid stuff, and what’s really exciting is that I actually don’t think we’ve seen the full force of what OBJ can do on the football field.

he has plenty of time to have a new defining game.

Touchdown against Baltimore even more special was that when he was on the sideline he could hardly walk because of his hip injury, but he was still able to run away from their entire secondary

right?

Lol.

a few years back. Dominating performance.

Still ticks me off that after all those cheap shots from Fisher/Williams & Co. that OBJ came out of that game as the bad guy.

where the most damage he did was to the locker room wall. Please make it stop with this guy. He's a tremendous talent who has to show that he has the maturity to be a winner.

Advantage net

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Advantage net

The following week, they kissed and made up.

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where the most damage he did was to the locker room wall. Please make it stop with this guy. He's a tremendous talent who has to show that he has the maturity to be a winner.

Like those multiple games he’s won for us? He has what it takes to be a winner, and he WANTS to be a winner. It drives him.

Not everyone is Eli.

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In comment 13834353 Victor in CT said: Quote: where the most damage he did was to the locker room wall. Please make it stop with this guy. He's a tremendous talent who has to show that he has the maturity to be a winner. Like those multiple games he’s won for us? He has what it takes to be a winner, and he WANTS to be a winner. It drives him. Not everyone is Eli.

they are 26-38 in 4 years with 1 playoff appearance where by some miracle the Defense carried them in. In his most important game of his career he shit the bed and had a temper tantrum after.

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probably the best one to pick. Unfortunately, Beckham's stigma right now is he is an outstanding talent with a diva attitude who doesn't seem to make much of an impact on the team's W-L record.

But.... he is a generational talent :)

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In comment 13834575 ajr2456 said: Quote: In comment 13834353 Victor in CT said: Quote: where the most damage he did was to the locker room wall. Please make it stop with this guy. He's a tremendous talent who has to show that he has the maturity to be a winner. Like those multiple games he’s won for us? He has what it takes to be a winner, and he WANTS to be a winner. It drives him. Not everyone is Eli. they are 26-38 in 4 years with 1 playoff appearance where by some miracle the Defense carried them in. In his most important game of his career he shit the bed and had a temper tantrum after.

And how many of those 26 did he have a major hand in winnng? Is it his fault the defense blew 6 leads in 2015?

What’s wrong with him punching the wall after playing bad and loosing? That shows he knows he can do better, and that he wants to win.

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probably the best one to pick. Unfortunately, Beckham's stigma right now is he is an outstanding talent with a diva attitude who doesn't seem to make much of an impact on the team's W-L record.

That's probably the dumbest thing you've ever said.

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In comment 13834575 ajr2456 said: Quote: In comment 13834353 Victor in CT said: Quote: where the most damage he did was to the locker room wall. Please make it stop with this guy. He's a tremendous talent who has to show that he has the maturity to be a winner. Like those multiple games he’s won for us? He has what it takes to be a winner, and he WANTS to be a winner. It drives him. Not everyone is Eli. they are 26-38 in 4 years with 1 playoff appearance where by some miracle the Defense carried them in. In his most important game of his career he shit the bed and had a temper tantrum after.

21-26 in games that he played; 5-12 in games when he didn't. Eli's passer rating when throwing to Beckham: 112.4; when throwing to anyone else: 83.4. Beckham isn't the problem. The fact that the rest of the team is nowhere near as talented as Beckham is - that's the problem.

You want to talk about his first playoff game? Let's talk about Eli's too (10-18, 113 yards, 0 TDs, 3 INTs). Or Jerry Rice's (4-45, 0 TDs). Or Reggie Wayne's (3-17, 0 TDs). Or Hines Ward's (3-37, 0 TDs). Every one of those guys went on to subsequently win a Super Bowl with their team despite a "shit the bed" performance in their playoff debut.

BFD, he punched a wall after the game. The lengths that people go to in an attempt to disparage the best player on the team is, quite frankly, embarrassing.

that those who dont like Odell arent the majority otherwise there would be an outcry to remove him from the team. I dont get it, he's one of the best players not just on the team but in the league, why do you want to get rid of him?

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In comment 13833774 Eric from BBI said: Quote: probably the best one to pick. Unfortunately, Beckham's stigma right now is he is an outstanding talent with a diva attitude who doesn't seem to make much of an impact on the team's W-L record. That's probably the dumbest thing you've ever said.

what in that statement is not true?

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In comment 13834638 Dodge said: Quote: In comment 13833774 Eric from BBI said: Quote: probably the best one to pick. Unfortunately, Beckham's stigma right now is he is an outstanding talent with a diva attitude who doesn't seem to make much of an impact on the team's W-L record. That's probably the dumbest thing you've ever said. what in that statement is not true?

Um, the whole freaking thing. Fans are ridiculous. It says a lot about a person that they completely overlook the 3 years of domination and only want to focus on the bad things. A lot.

but if you don't think Odell effects games, then you are incredibly stupid. I'm not trying to be offensive, but it's ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

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In comment 13834738 Victor in CT said: Quote: In comment 13834638 Dodge said: Quote: In comment 13833774 Eric from BBI said: Quote: probably the best one to pick. Unfortunately, Beckham's stigma right now is he is an outstanding talent with a diva attitude who doesn't seem to make much of an impact on the team's W-L record. That's probably the dumbest thing you've ever said. what in that statement is not true? Um, the whole freaking thing. Fans are ridiculous. It says a lot about a person that they completely overlook the 3 years of domination and only want to focus on the bad things. A lot.

miss this part?: "outstanding talent".

nobody disputes his ability. the question that needs to be answered before committing huge $$ to him is can he grow up and be a true star who affects the W-L?

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In comment 13834740 Keith said: Quote: In comment 13834738 Victor in CT said: Quote: In comment 13834638 Dodge said: Quote: In comment 13833774 Eric from BBI said: Quote: probably the best one to pick. Unfortunately, Beckham's stigma right now is he is an outstanding talent with a diva attitude who doesn't seem to make much of an impact on the team's W-L record. That's probably the dumbest thing you've ever said. what in that statement is not true? Um, the whole freaking thing. Fans are ridiculous. It says a lot about a person that they completely overlook the 3 years of domination and only want to focus on the bad things. A lot. miss this part?: "outstanding talent". nobody disputes his ability. the question that needs to be answered before committing huge $$ to him is can he grow up and be a true star who affects the W-L?

The Giants' winning percentage is more than 50% better when Beckham plans than when he doesn't. He does affect W/L. He needs more talent around him, that's all.

if you don't think Odell helps us win games, than there is nothing to discuss. What exactly doesn't he do to win games? The guy catches 100 balls for 1300 yards and 13 td's each of his first 3 years. HOw does that not help?

Oh sorry, maybe he should go play defense a little. Or maybe he should throw the ball to himself.

Clownb.

It's almost like people completely ignore how downright pitiful this offense becomes without 13 on the field.

Look at the numbers,

It's ugly.

He makes about as much of a difference as a single non-QB can possibly make.

If anyone thinks one WR is going to be responsible for something insane like a 5 game swing in wins and losses, then you should probably move your goalpoasts back to somewhere realistic because there's not a single player in this league who isn't a QB that leverages wins and losses that heavily.

i suppose the only argument against OBJ is that he'll likely command $15mm+/year in coming years and since no WR, not Jerry Rice, can win games by himself.... is it worth investing that kind of money in any player that isnt a QB?

This senseless bullshit about being offended that he fake peed on an endline in Philadelphia - honest to God, shut up. He scored 2 touchdowns in that game, one an incredibly gifted catch, to put us in position to win that game on the road against the eventual SB champs. Defense then proceeded to blow it - anyone that came out of that game more outraged by OBJs celebration of his teams success than by the Defense laying down like dogs late in the 4Q ... has an agenda or priorities way out of whack.

I really don't understand why people are having so much trouble with the idea of giving Beckham a monster contract. Eli will be off the books after 2018 and they will have a QB on a rookie contract making $6M. What is not appealing about that?

How many times do GD and I have to say it?? Eli's career passer rating is 30 points higher when targeting Beckham than when targeting anyone else. Odell is so good at receiver that he not only carries the offense, he elevates the QB. Ask yourself, what would he the best situation possible for Josh Rosen or Sam Darnold in 2019? It would be throwing to Odell Beckham. Just stop with your petty complaints about Odell's personality. He is a fucking star.

And elite career. He will have another 7-8 years of high level play just like other elite WRs as Rice Moss or Owens. Pay the man!

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but what about the game he was out of control in Carolina? The fact that particular game was even close at the end was remarkable regardless of what transpired prior. I remember not being able to watch that game but I was getting texts from people how bad they were and then all of a sudden they just kept scoring and made a game of it.

That's the one that comes to my mind...a lack of control.

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In comment 13833776 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: but what about the game he was out of control in Carolina? The fact that particular game was even close at the end was remarkable regardless of what transpired prior. I remember not being able to watch that game but I was getting texts from people how bad they were and then all of a sudden they just kept scoring and made a game of it. That's the one that comes to my mind...a lack of control.

You registered specifically to post that and only that? Interesting.

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You registered specifically to post that and only that? Interesting.

IMO, it's too easy to post. Should be a 2 week waiting period.

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In comment 13835559 upnyg said: Quote: In comment 13833776 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: but what about the game he was out of control in Carolina? The fact that particular game was even close at the end was remarkable regardless of what transpired prior. I remember not being able to watch that game but I was getting texts from people how bad they were and then all of a sudden they just kept scoring and made a game of it. That's the one that comes to my mind...a lack of control. You registered specifically to post that and only that? Interesting.

No, re-registered. Haven't been on in years. Just seeing if I was active, sorry to disappoint you with my brevity.