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Mike Mayock releases his positional rankings

Milton : 2/15/2018 4:52 pm
Some surprises (as usual with Mayock)....
Top 5+ at each position - ( New Window )
Allen as his #2 QB isn’t a surprise  
The_Boss : 2/15/2018 4:55 pm : link
It’s almost like he sees something different than most scouts. He was gushing over him at the Senior Bowl while most everything I read among the scouting community was contradicting what he saw.
Carr makes a great point  
Jay on the Island : 2/15/2018 4:55 pm : link
about Darnold and how he is only 20 and will be such a different player in 2-3 years.
Wow  
Jay on the Island : 2/15/2018 4:57 pm : link
Billy Price 5th Interior OL behind Hernandez and James Daniels?? I would put him #2 after Nelson just a hair ahead of Wynn and Smith.
RE: Allen as his #2 QB isn’t a surprise  
Jay on the Island : 2/15/2018 4:58 pm : link
In comment 13833865 The_Boss said:
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It’s almost like he sees something different than most scouts. He was gushing over him at the Senior Bowl while most everything I read among the scouting community was contradicting what he saw.

He isn't perfect but he is the best draft guru on tv. He once had Gabbert ahead of Cam Newton.
RE: Wow  
Milton : 2/15/2018 5:00 pm : link
In comment 13833870 Jay on the Island said:
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Billy Price 5th Interior OL behind Hernandez and James Daniels?? I would put him #2 after Nelson just a hair ahead of Wynn and Smith.
And McGlinchey at the top of the OT group was another surprise.
The biggest surprise  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/15/2018 5:00 pm : link
is that you actually posted this, Milton, given Mayock's QB rankings.

I kid because I care.
RE: The biggest surprise  
Milton : 2/15/2018 5:03 pm : link
In comment 13833875 Gatorade Dunk said:
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is that you actually posted this, Milton, given Mayock's QB rankings.

I kid because I care.
I like to mix in a curveball every now and again!
RE: RE: Allen as his #2 QB isn’t a surprise  
The_Boss : 2/15/2018 5:03 pm : link
In comment 13833873 Jay on the Island said:
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It’s almost like he sees something different than most scouts. He was gushing over him at the Senior Bowl while most everything I read among the scouting community was contradicting what he saw.


He isn't perfect but he is the best draft guru on tv. He once had Gabbert ahead of Cam Newton.


No I agree. I think he’s excellent. I was just pointing out that his love for Allen is consistent.
RE: Carr makes a great point  
twostepgiants : 2/15/2018 5:09 pm : link
In comment 13833866 Jay on the Island said:
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about Darnold and how he is only 20 and will be such a different player in 2-3 years.



Sam Darnold is 4 months younger than Josh Rosen. Rosen turned 21 on Saturday.
If you need a WR this draft  
Rflairr : 2/15/2018 5:21 pm : link
Ugh. That’s a weak class. Ridley the best? Jeesh
RE: RE: Carr makes a great point  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/15/2018 5:23 pm : link
In comment 13833885 twostepgiants said:
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about Darnold and how he is only 20 and will be such a different player in 2-3 years.




Sam Darnold is 4 months younger than Josh Rosen. Rosen turned 21 on Saturday.

Do we know how many of his teammates attended his 21st birthday party?
RE: RE: RE: Carr makes a great point  
Mike in NY : 2/15/2018 5:28 pm : link
In comment 13833902 Gatorade Dunk said:
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about Darnold and how he is only 20 and will be such a different player in 2-3 years.




Sam Darnold is 4 months younger than Josh Rosen. Rosen turned 21 on Saturday.


Do we know how many of his teammates attended his 21st birthday party?


More or less than those who attended Bo Callahan's you pancake eating mother f**ker?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Carr makes a great point  
Milton : 2/15/2018 5:38 pm : link
In comment 13833908 Mike in NY said:
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Do we know how many of his teammates attended his 21st birthday party?



More or less than those who attended Bo Callahan's you pancake eating mother f**ker?
There really needs to be a sequel so we can find out how those picks turned out. Or not.
Reasonable rankings  
jeff57 : 2/15/2018 5:42 pm : link
Don’t agree on a couple, but looks fairly close to the mark,
RE: RE: Allen as his #2 QB isn’t a surprise  
Vanzetti : 2/15/2018 7:12 pm : link
In comment 13833873 Jay on the Island said:
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It’s almost like he sees something different than most scouts. He was gushing over him at the Senior Bowl while most everything I read among the scouting community was contradicting what he saw.


He isn't perfect but he is the best draft guru on tv. He once had Gabbert ahead of Cam Newton.


He also had Mark Sanchez as the #1 QB in 2009. Over Stafford. Manziel over Carr.

Everyone makes mistakes but when Mayock goes out on a limb and disagrees with the consensus, he is often very very wrong.
Let’s face it evaluating a QB  
Reb8thVA : 2/15/2018 8:39 pm : link
Is a crap shoot. Probably more luck than science
RE: RE: RE: Allen as his #2 QB isn’t a surprise  
ThatLimerickGuy : 2/15/2018 8:45 pm : link
In comment 13833990 Vanzetti said:
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It’s almost like he sees something different than most scouts. He was gushing over him at the Senior Bowl while most everything I read among the scouting community was contradicting what he saw.


He isn't perfect but he is the best draft guru on tv. He once had Gabbert ahead of Cam Newton.



He also had Mark Sanchez as the #1 QB in 2009. Over Stafford. Manziel over Carr.

Everyone makes mistakes but when Mayock goes out on a limb and disagrees with the consensus, he is often very very wrong.


Everybody had manziel over carr.
RE: Reasonable rankings  
Brown Recluse : 2/15/2018 9:35 pm : link
In comment 13833919 jeff57 said:
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Don’t agree on a couple, but looks fairly close to the mark,


Fantastic. Mayock will be thrilled to hear this.
RE: If you need a WR this draft  
est1986 : 2/15/2018 9:49 pm : link
In comment 13833901 Rflairr said:
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Ugh. That’s a weak class. Ridley the best? Jeesh


This WR class is better than BBI thinks it is... you aren't the only poster I've seen diss this class this past week... It doesn't have the star power/top tier/elite level guys but there is some really good talent at WR in this class. Better than last years class for sure.
RE: RE: Wow  
WillVAB : 2/15/2018 9:58 pm : link
In comment 13833874 Milton said:
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Billy Price 5th Interior OL behind Hernandez and James Daniels?? I would put him #2 after Nelson just a hair ahead of Wynn and Smith.

And McGlinchey at the top of the OT group was another surprise.


Personally I don’t think it’s a surprise. He was a consensus top 10 pick during the season then started getting knocked unnecessarily in my opinion. He may not “wow” you with anything but I think he’s gonna be a good pro for a long time.
RE: RE: RE: Wow  
Milton : 2/15/2018 10:54 pm : link
In comment 13834077 WillVAB said:
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And McGlinchey at the top of the OT group was another surprise.



Personally I don’t think it’s a surprise. He was a consensus top 10 pick during the season then started getting knocked unnecessarily in my opinion. He may not “wow” you with anything but I think he’s gonna be a good pro for a long time.
Yeah, it's probably just a personal bias. In my mind I see McGlinchey dropping to the bottom or round one and Connor Williams working his way into the top ten. I could be overrating Williams, however. This draft is even worse at left tackle than last year's draft.
The way ND's season went to hell  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/15/2018 11:06 pm : link
You wouldn't expect there to be glowing reviews of McGlinchey given the reactionary nature of the process.

He's not the best OL in his team though. I think that's clear.
Ramczyk and Bolles  
allstarjim : 2/15/2018 11:13 pm : link
Were both very good. I really wanted Bolles on the Giants last year but obviously Denver was able to get him before the Giants' pick.

The negativity surrounding Bolles and Ramczyk in particular last year as prospects were unfounded, they've proved that already.

I read the thread title  
mrvax : 2/15/2018 11:33 pm : link
and thought, "That darn Milton. I'll bet Mayock has Rosen as his #1 QB."
RE: If you need a WR this draft  
barens : 2/16/2018 8:47 am : link
In comment 13833901 Rflairr said:
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Ugh. That’s a weak class. Ridley the best? Jeesh


I don't quite get the negatively about the top wide receivers. Ridley and Kirk are both going to be big time players IMO. They both suffered from really bad QB play.
RE: RE: Reasonable rankings  
jeff57 : 2/16/2018 9:04 am : link
In comment 13834062 Brown Recluse said:
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Don’t agree on a couple, but looks fairly close to the mark,



Fantastic. Mayock will be thrilled to hear this.


Thank you.
Soooo  
Zepp : 2/16/2018 11:28 am : link
He has Rosen compared to Trent Green, Darnold compared to Luck and Barkley compared to Barry Sanders.

So why should we draft Rosen again? This guy has more red flags than a car race.

As I've always stated if its not Barkley it should be Darnold and no one else.
RE: Soooo  
jeff57 : 2/16/2018 11:48 am : link
In comment 13834491 Zepp said:
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He has Rosen compared to Trent Green, Darnold compared to Luck and Barkley compared to Barry Sanders.

So why should we draft Rosen again? This guy has more red flags than a car race.

As I've always stated if its not Barkley it should be Darnold and no one else.


That's not his comparisons.
RE: Soooo  
Ed A. : 2/16/2018 4:08 pm : link
In comment 13834491 Zepp said:
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He has Rosen compared to Trent Green, Darnold compared to Luck and Barkley compared to Barry Sanders.

So why should we draft Rosen again? This guy has more red flags than a car race.

As I've always stated if its not Barkley it should be Darnold and no one else.


Have you looked at Darnold's Interception record? All the Rosen haters mention his physical problems but no one mentions Darnold's interception record.
I'll be interested to  
Pep22 : 2/16/2018 4:26 pm : link
see the heights/weights and even some athletic testing of these guys.

Darnold and Rosen are listed at such close heights/weights and Darnold looks the part but, to me, Rosen looks like he barely cracks 200 lbs.
RE: RE: Soooo  
allstarjim : 2/16/2018 4:45 pm : link
In comment 13834816 Ed A. said:
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He has Rosen compared to Trent Green, Darnold compared to Luck and Barkley compared to Barry Sanders.

So why should we draft Rosen again? This guy has more red flags than a car race.

As I've always stated if its not Barkley it should be Darnold and no one else.



Have you looked at Darnold's Interception record? All the Rosen haters mention his physical problems but no one mentions Darnold's interception record.


He has 2 more INTs than Rosen. I can tell you Rosen has some more that definitely should have been INTs and I'm sure Darnold probably has some as well. But you have to analyze how the INTs happened. You can't just look at the number. Once you look at the plays, you aren't as concerned about the INTs with Darnold.

I will say this, what Darnold was able to do behind that sieve of an OL this year is a miracle. Even the Ohio State game, I've seen plenty of posters criticize him and say how bad he played. If you saw the duress he was under on every drop back...the guy played HEROICALLY. That is not an understatement. I get that they weren't really able to put up points, but it's not for a lack of Darnold's effort. His OL was absolutely dominated from start to finish.
Yea  
big canoe jeff : 2/16/2018 7:12 pm : link
He said both Andre Williams and adrien Robinson would be good players too
Mayock loves northeastern players discounts SEC
Dad a HS coach in PA
For all the Reese Ross fans have they found a job yet media clueless on that
RE: Yea  
BigBlueShock : 2/16/2018 7:21 pm : link
In comment 13834917 big canoe jeff said:
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He said both Andre Williams and adrien Robinson would be good players too
Mayock loves northeastern players discounts SEC
Dad a HS coach in PA
For all the Reese Ross fans have they found a job yet media clueless on that

What the hell are you rambling about? You read that list and came away with the idea that he loves northeastern players and discounts SEC players? You may want to take your meds and go back and read that list again
Arnold or Allen for me.  
TMS : 2/16/2018 7:55 pm : link
if we go for a QB at #2, Better we trade down for picks, improve the OL and iake a shot with ELI on an improved team. 11 and 5 two years ago and with a good defense and very talented offense if healthy, we can compete next year.
Hey Dick  
big canoe jeff : 2/16/2018 8:17 pm : link
Look at his draft reports the last 5 years loved Nassib Andrea Williams and Adrienne Robinson go fuck ur self
Yea  
big canoe jeff : 2/16/2018 8:28 pm : link
And I forgot how much he loved Bromley Pugh Herzlich too
RE: Yea  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/16/2018 9:20 pm : link
In comment 13834917 big canoe jeff said:
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He said both Andre Williams and adrien Robinson would be good players too
Mayock loves northeastern players discounts SEC
Dad a HS coach in PA
For all the Reese Ross fans have they found a job yet media clueless on that

You are an excellent writer. Have you ever considered doing it professionally? Also, who is Reese Ross? He(?) sounds interesting.
Like u hardly  
big canoe jeff : 2/16/2018 9:54 pm : link
Have fun with the.2;losers reeese and Ross still looking for jobs

RE: RE: If you need a WR this draft  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 2/16/2018 9:56 pm : link
In comment 13834260 barens said:
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Ugh. That’s a weak class. Ridley the best? Jeesh



I don't quite get the negatively about the top wide receivers. Ridley and Kirk are both going to be big time players IMO. They both suffered from really bad QB play.


Ridley was criminally underused because of the combination of Jalen Hurts and Saban.

If you draft DJ Moore, you are essentially getting a bigger, better version of Randall Cobb. His numbers with 3rd and 4th-string QB play are ridiculous.
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