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NFT: Do you use an investment adviser/financial planner?

Les in TO : 2/15/2018 9:27 pm
I use an adviser who also provides holistic wealth management services for some of my investments (financial planning - insurance, college savings, retirement planning, wills, budgeting etc). I am invested 60/40 in equities/debt in mutual funds that have had an annualized net return of 6% per year since 2010. I maintain a separate investment account for a work plan (something similar to a 401K plan in Canada).

While I like that he has a thorough approach to goals/planning and he does move me into some better performing funds from time to time, I sometimes question whether I would not be better off parking these funds in a robo adviser/low cost brokerage account and invest in a mix of major index tracking stock and bond ETFs that are much cheaper and rebalance a couple of times per year. I am paying more in management expenses for the mutual funds and commissions for his brokerage than I would for a self-directed or robo-advisory strategy.

Do you invest by yourself with ETFs or do you use an adviser? I know there are also fee-based financial planners that you can use while also self-directing investments, which I'm thinking may be the better compromise.
once you have a substantial portfolio 500k and up  
gtt350 : 2/15/2018 10:21 pm : link
a paid financial advisor in charge of your portfolio almost always gets better results than say a Fidelity rep who probably has 450 clients to look after whereas your own personal broker might have 100.
My portfolio went from 6.4% yearly gain that i was really happy with to 12.62 with a hired gun,
RE: once you have a substantial portfolio 500k and up  
UConn4523 : 2/15/2018 10:58 pm : link
In comment 13834091 gtt350 said:
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a paid financial advisor in charge of your portfolio almost always gets better results than say a Fidelity rep who probably has 450 clients to look after whereas your own personal broker might have 100.
My portfolio went from 6.4% yearly gain that i was really happy with to 12.62 with a hired gun,


I don't necessarily disagree, but post 2008/9 most portfolios look strong. What year did you start using a paid advisor?
Wait a minute  
ThatLimerickGuy : 2/15/2018 11:00 pm : link
Your financial advisor prepared Wills for you? Is he an attorney as well?
uconn, 18 months ago, I know the market is going great  
gtt350 : 2/15/2018 11:52 pm : link
but he restructured all my investments and what i'm holding now i never would have done on my own
Uconn I live in Vegas but the firm i use is in Ct.  
gtt350 : 2/15/2018 11:56 pm : link
Essex Financial, Kevin Looby
I have a FP but I don't know why sometimes...  
Jerz44 : 2/16/2018 5:45 am : link
Isn't the math pretty clear that investing in index funds will have the best return 95% of the time over the long term?

I asked my buddies in finance about actively managed funds and they argue that there can be superiority there but it didn't convince me.

I use an FP only because I don't know how to rebalance.

I personally do not use a financial advisor  
DonQuixote : 2/16/2018 5:53 am : link
I dollar cost average into index funds. Almost zero fees, guaranteed market average.

Of course, my money is long term (>5 years), so I can ride out corrections and don't need to get too fancy about asset allocation. One might require a strategy about moving things into diversified assets as bills such as tuition, or retirement, gradually loom.

I am one of those "random walk down wall street" (useful read) people. With fees, the average broker must by definition exceed the S&P 500 by 2% or so to keep up with indexed funds. I am sure there is a minority of "hired guns" who have expertise over the long term, but you need to find them, recognizing that past performance does not guarantee future returns.

Right now, my computer takes money out of my paycheck and distributes it to investments and IRAs every month. Thus I buy fewer shares at high prices, more at low, and am always in the market on the small subset of days when the most rises occur. Dividends are reinvested. I hardly need to look at it and get returns right at the S&P 500 after expenses.
RE: Wait a minute  
Les in TO : 2/16/2018 6:14 am : link
In comment 13834111 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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Your financial advisor prepared Wills for you? Is he an attorney as well?
he didn’t prepare the will but regularly encouraged me to get it done
Yes...myself.  
rebel yell : 2/16/2018 7:15 am : link
I'd never trust another person with my money. If I lose it, I want it to be because I screwed it up.
A true planner gives you advice  
Shecky : 2/16/2018 7:25 am : link
Not just manages your portfolio. Like Les, his planner kept nudging him until he did something so simple as get a will done. If you have a planner like that, he’s worth whatever you are paying him. If you don’t, keep looking.
I got a guy  
UESBLUE : 2/16/2018 7:51 am : link
too much to handle by self.
I am an old guy  
jjgmrg901 : 2/16/2018 8:21 am : link
I retired two years ago and my financial planner was the major reason. We have had him about 20 years. He helped me put my daughter through college and now I am looking at a very comfortable life. He did more than just juggle numbers, he made solid investments and suggestions. He was the voice of reason and encouragement.
I also recommended a few people to him and they have been very satisfied with him.
He is with Edward Jones in the DMV area. Any interest I can give you his name offline
gtt350  
Samiam : 2/16/2018 8:55 am : link
If you don’t mind, what does Essex charge you?

Didn’t you use to live in NJ? I sort of remember you using Accurate Auto in Garwood.
I think about it sometimes  
Colossus of Rhodes : 2/16/2018 9:37 am : link
Every once in a while someone at the bank says talk to our financial planner but none of them have impressed me.

Right now I have about 2/3 net worth in my home equity and 1/3 in stocks (Roth IRAs). About .01% in crpto. Starting a new job with pension and 401k. I am fine with Vanguard index funds for the stocks. Next I want to look at rental property for passive income.

The only place I see a finance guy adding value is in picking stocks or funds. But I have never felt confident that I've met one who can do it consistently better than the market. Would a true expert investor really need a salary job anyway?
Just because they let me into the Home Depot ....  
fbdad : 2/16/2018 12:08 pm : link
.... that doesn't make me a carpenter. A good advisor more than earns his on both the investment side (identifying investments, rebalancing portfolios, managing cash, tax efficiency, etc.) and particularly on the holistic side (bigger picture financial advice, sounding board, understanding long range implications of financial decisions, etc.)

Things will always be cheaper if you do it yourself versus hiring a professional. The big question is whether you've got the skills, time and temperament to deliver the same results as the professional. Also, what's the outcome of getting it wrong. I'll do some of my own electrical work at home but I won't touch plumbing. Why - because if I screw up wiring, my basement doesn't fill up with electricity. It often hard to see financial mistakes until they're too late to fix.
I may be biased  
johnnyb : 2/16/2018 1:03 pm : link
as I am a Certified Financial Planner. We build our own portfolios with individual stocks and bonds. Mutual funds are too expensive and very inefficient. I can control risk much better with individual securities. My fee is 1% and that includes all the advice and planning a client needs.

You get what you pay for, like anywhere else. I am confident my clients value my advice and experience.

The scope of a good financial advisor/ planner goes way beyond investments.
RE: gtt350  
gtt350 : 2/16/2018 6:12 pm : link
In comment 13834269 Samiam said:
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If you don’t mind, what does Essex charge you?

Didn’t you use to live in NJ? I sort of remember you using Accurate Auto in Garwood.


wow good memory yes i did, getting out of jersey has been an epiphany.
Essex financial will charge you based on the size of your portfolio the larger it is the less u pay. Google Kevin Looby, there is a subsidary of Essex with the top brokers
shark attack  
Hilary : 2/17/2018 11:06 am : link
When I can, I listen to Bob Brinker on the radio. He refers to many of the plans offered by financial advisers as "shark attacks" Studies show that just very few managed mutual funds beat the index funds.My guess is that financial advisers do not beat them either. Dollar cost averaging into no load mutual funds or no load index funds is a strategy that is hard to beat.
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