If this defense is transitioned to more of a 3-4 what’s the plan at LBer? We’d need at a minimum 7 LBers. I think inside we could see Goodson and possibly a guy like Munson or possibly a guy like Zach Brown, if we could get him for a reasonable salary. Outside I think we have to resign Kennard and on the other side use mor OV or draft an OLB with speed that can rush and cover. To me this position group will be one of the bigger dillemas in filling as we need quality starters and depth in this defense.
What do you folks think we do given the cap we have and the needs at Oline, as well?
Bettcher loves his undersized safety types near the LOS...couple that with how little traditional "base" defense is even played, I dont think its the dilemma that everyones making it to be.
Whether its 34 or 43 base, they need upgraded talent on the inside.
Attachou, Mingo on the outside. Plus the draft.
The Giants defense has had neither quality starters or quality depth. The last futile grasp at relevance at the LB position was the acquisition of Jon Beason. Beason was serviceable as a starter, but injuries took their toll on his time on the field and his effectiveness. He had little impact...
I don't think that is a bad thing. Even with all the other holes we have to fill. I'm tired of not seeing LB's make big plays and get burned over the middle.
B.J. Goodson
Calvin Munson
Ray-Ray Armstrong
Derrick Mathews
Thurston Armbrister
(Ishaq Williams was just waived/injured... my mistake in previously counting him).
That's what's known as addition by subtraction.
We need to draft a LB or 2 get another one or two as a UDRFA... and that's after we sign two LB's in Free Agency.
We need to draft a LB or 2 get another one or two as a UDRFA... and that's after we sign two LB's in Free Agency.
Yep. If they're really going to a 3-4, they'll have to bring in 3 new starting LBs. Can't rely on Goodson to stay healthy.
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Munson is purely ST and depth, the rest... face it.. they suck.
We need to draft a LB or 2 get another one or two as a UDRFA... and that's after we sign two LB's in Free Agency.
Yep. If they're really going to a 3-4, they'll have to bring in 3 new starting LBs. Can't rely on Goodson to stay healthy.
If they move to a 3-4, Vernon becomes an OLB, maybe even Moss and Okwara. They would need to add a 5 Tech DE and bring in 3 LB ( 2 ILB and 1 OLB ) through FA and Draft.
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Munson is purely ST and depth, the rest... face it.. they suck.
We need to draft a LB or 2 get another one or two as a UDRFA... and that's after we sign two LB's in Free Agency.
Yep. If they're really going to a 3-4, they'll have to bring in 3 new starting LBs. Can't rely on Goodson to stay healthy.
If they move to a 3-4, Vernon becomes an OLB, maybe even Moss and Okwara. They would need to add a 5 Tech DE and bring in 3 LB ( 2 ILB and 1 OLB ) through FA and Draft.
Tomlinson played in a 3-4 at Alabama. Vernon would be one starting OLB, but I wouldn't count on Moss or Okwara to start at the other.
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We are going to have at least 4 guys at the LOS, 2 LBs and 5 DBs on more than half of our defensive snaps. And we have shit at LB currently. Goodson can man one ILB spot of healthy but that’s a big if... I would bring in another inside guy or two and at least two outside guys period.
No.
We need to draft a LB or 2 get another one or two as a UDRFA... and that's after we sign two LB's in Free Agency.
Munson will be the new HMWG
There's opportunity to get creative with the pieces we already have. Bettcher could use Vernon and JPP at OLB.. Obvious passing downs move one or both back down which would allow other pass rushers or more speed to get on the field. They might consider bringing Collins down to play that money backer position in certain packages as well. Seeing what they did with Bucannon we can't rule that out.
We could really use a guy with instincts and smarts. Someone who can relay the calls, make the adjustments, and be a leader.
This position has been sorely lacking for far too long. It’s about time the Giants brought some decent LBers in to play.
B.J. Goodson
Calvin Munson
Ray-Ray Armstrong
Derrick Mathews
Thurston Armbrister
The bad news is these are the only LBs we have under contract.
The good news is thank god there aren't anymore of these types of LBs we have under contract...
Use FA to solidify the LB position, go after Norwell, then hammer OL in the draft.
Now, I don't know who those guys would be but, we have seen guys flourish in 1 system and falter in another and vice/versa ... start their careers slowly and then benefit from a change.
My fingers are crossed anyway ....
If Spags were retained and the Giants ran a 43 again next year they’d still need 3 quality starting linebackers. Betcher coming in doesn’t change a thing, other than the TYPE of player they may be looking for.
If Spags were retained and the Giants ran a 43 again next year they’d still need 3 quality starting linebackers. Betcher coming in doesn’t change a thing, other than the TYPE of player they may be looking for.
Goodson Strong Inside LB, sign Bradham for Weak Inside LB. Draft an OLB and ILB. Armstrong and Munson as back ups. 5 LB's may need to be added. Plus depth at NT and DE.
If Spags were retained and the Giants ran a 43 again next year they’d still need 3 quality starting linebackers. Betcher coming in doesn’t change a thing, other than the TYPE of player they may be looking for.
Well if they see Vernon and JPP as OLBs and Collins as the money backer.. A lot changes with the new scheme and we no longer need 3 starting LBs.
We need to draft a LB or 2 get another one or two as a UDRFA... and that's after we sign two LB's in Free Agency.
Actually I think Goodson is very poor. Munson moves better laterally. In fact I think Kelvin Shepherd played better than Goodson. Goodson loses his fit and he gets lost in coverage. He resembles Lavar Arrington in that sense , but slower .
Look for one Sean Lee type and one safety conversion as well as the current DEs on roster snd maybe a tweener type.