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NGT: 'Jerry built this house for a bunch of damn losers'

JohnF : 2/17/2018 8:03 am
Charles Haley's message to the Cowboys: 'Jerry built this house for a bunch of damn losers'

Not to say Haley is wrong, but to speak out like that is pretty fearless, considering you don't hear a lot of criticism from Cowboy vets. Here's a quote:

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"And then the egos are so big and they're so busy getting on Twitter and Facebook and everything else - maybe they should get in that playbook. Maybe they should learn how to rush, catch and block.

"I tell those guys nobody's scared of them. Ain't nobody in the league scared of y'all. What y'all been doing is listening to people saying you've got the best offensive line in the business. I said who's scared of y'all? Huh? Those little things like that, those intangibles, the attitude you take to the field [matters]. ... I go over there and I watch guys work. I watch them go through drills. They go through three or four drills and they're gassed."


Yeah, you might think "old man yells at cloud", but Haley has five Super Bowl rings...he has credibility, IMO.

I hope they don't listen to him.  
smshmth8690 : 2/17/2018 8:08 am : link
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I think he has a point  
Mark from Jersey : 2/17/2018 8:09 am : link
Football in the 80's and 90's is far superior to today's product.

Part of me thinks the last CBA hurt a lot. These practice limits are aweful and early season games are sloppy.

Too many guys get hurt every year on ever team. Is it over training? Is it under training? Turf vs. grass? who knows.
Maybe more of us  
joeinpa : 2/17/2018 8:45 am : link
Should "listen to old man yelling at clouds".
This is what happens when the eagles win the Superbowl  
ZogZerg : 2/17/2018 8:48 am : link
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He could have been talking to the Giants' locker room..  
EricJ : 2/17/2018 8:52 am : link
too.
'Jerry (Reese) built this house for a bunch of damn losers'  
M.S. : 2/17/2018 9:01 am : link

What's the difference?

Last time I looked we were drafting 2nd; Dallas 19th.

Mark  
mdthedream : 2/17/2018 9:02 am : link
totally agree it has killed the NFL product.
For that kind of $  
bc4life : 2/17/2018 9:09 am : link
you can't stay late or do conditioning on your own time? Also, CBA doesn't mandate attitudes.
RE: Maybe more of us  
Sec 103 : 2/17/2018 9:40 am : link
In comment 13835033 joeinpa said:
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Should "listen to old man yelling at clouds".

+1
RE: 'Jerry (Reese) built this house for a bunch of damn losers'  
DavidinBMNY : 2/17/2018 9:48 am : link
In comment 13835038 M.S. said:
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What's the difference?

Last time I looked we were drafting 2nd; Dallas 19th.


Agree - 100%
Jerrys drafting was bad and unlucky.  
Chip : 2/17/2018 10:16 am : link
Which is how we got here. Mark I agree as well the practice time as hurt the quality of the product as have to many pre season games. The owners want more games. Hopefully the new CBA will work out practice schedules and less preseason which should lead to a small percentage increase 52-48 instead of the current 50-50. More real games will increase advertising revenue and bigger salaries for the players and less crap for the fans. sounds to simple.
RE: Jerrys drafting was bad and unlucky.  
RetroJint : 2/17/2018 10:45 am : link
In comment 13835066 Chip said:
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Which is how we got here. Mark I agree as well the practice time as hurt the quality of the product as have to many pre season games. The owners want more games. Hopefully the new CBA will work out practice schedules and less preseason which should lead to a small percentage increase 52-48 instead of the current 50-50. More real games will increase advertising revenue and bigger salaries for the players and less crap for the fans. sounds to simple.

None of that will ever happen. If anything , practice time will be shortened with less actual tackling allowed . The vise grip of Concussion Protocol will be tightened . The NFL’s decline toward a boring , flag-football-type product is irreversible.

The game will be banned at the scholastic and collegiate levels. That cuts off the talent supply. Total implementation : my guess is 10 years , maybe 15 at most . There is no “going back.””
RE: He could have been talking to the Giants' locker room..  
LauderdaleMatty : 2/17/2018 10:54 am : link
In comment 13835035 EricJ said:
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too.


New talking to most of the NFL. And also to a generation of people who think a college degree is proof of their intellect and major achievement is lots of followers, likes on Insfagram reposts on Twitter mean more the. Actually doing things
RE: RE: Jerrys drafting was bad and unlucky.  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/17/2018 11:01 am : link
In comment 13835081 RetroJint said:
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In comment 13835066 Chip said:


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Which is how we got here. Mark I agree as well the practice time as hurt the quality of the product as have to many pre season games. The owners want more games. Hopefully the new CBA will work out practice schedules and less preseason which should lead to a small percentage increase 52-48 instead of the current 50-50. More real games will increase advertising revenue and bigger salaries for the players and less crap for the fans. sounds to simple.


None of that will ever happen. If anything , practice time will be shortened with less actual tackling allowed . The vise grip of Concussion Protocol will be tightened . The NFL’s decline toward a boring , flag-football-type product is irreversible.

The game will be banned at the scholastic and collegiate levels. That cuts off the talent supply. Total implementation : my guess is 10 years , maybe 15 at most . There is no “going back.””

It's definitely not getting banned at the collegiate level. You are are wildly underestimating the revenue streams involved, which make even the concussion/CTE liability a palatable risk.
people used to die playing college football  
markky : 2/17/2018 11:07 am : link
and it didn't get banned (almost, but did not get banned).

college football will not go away
RE: RE: RE: Jerrys drafting was bad and unlucky.  
MBavaro : 2/17/2018 11:09 am : link
In comment 13835088 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 13835081 RetroJint said:


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In comment 13835066 Chip said:


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Which is how we got here. Mark I agree as well the practice time as hurt the quality of the product as have to many pre season games. The owners want more games. Hopefully the new CBA will work out practice schedules and less preseason which should lead to a small percentage increase 52-48 instead of the current 50-50. More real games will increase advertising revenue and bigger salaries for the players and less crap for the fans. sounds to simple.


None of that will ever happen. If anything , practice time will be shortened with less actual tackling allowed . The vise grip of Concussion Protocol will be tightened . The NFL’s decline toward a boring , flag-football-type product is irreversible.

The game will be banned at the scholastic and collegiate levels. That cuts off the talent supply. Total implementation : my guess is 10 years , maybe 15 at most . There is no “going back.””


It's definitely not getting banned at the collegiate level. You are are wildly underestimating the revenue streams involved, which make even the concussion/CTE liability a palatable risk.


No way it's getting shut down. Billions and billions are generated by college sports. And, as we've seen recently, they will do ANYTHING to keep that going.
in 1904 there were 18 football deaths  
markky : 2/17/2018 11:09 am : link
and 159 serious injuries in college and prep school ball.
I feel like Haley has said some crazy shit on the past too  
MetsAreBack : 2/17/2018 11:38 am : link
though maybe i'm thinking of someone else, i dont feel like researching it.

Hope he's not a CTE victim, he was damn good player back in the day.

I do think the Cowboys need to move on from Dez.
The players share  
Chip : 2/17/2018 12:11 pm : link
being just under 6 billion dollars based on a 178 mil cap for the 32 teams. If you add the 2 games the cap will go to 200 mil or around there. They will out the concussion issue. Awful lot of money for 20 somethings.
Haley was fear personified on the gridiron  
trueblueinpw : 2/17/2018 12:41 pm : link
I’m not sure there’s a player in the NFL since Charles Haley that’s been as feared. If you watch some of the NFL Films and if you read about his career, his own teammates were afraid of him and QBs were downright petrified of him. He was an unbelievable player. Might be the only NFL player I’ve watched who played the game with the same ferocity and pure talent as LT. And while LT is the best football player I’ve ever seen, and while LT certainly was feared by all, Haley I think was actually meaner than LT. (If that makes sense).
Jerry Jones  
Giantslifer : 2/17/2018 3:23 pm : link
Jones made ONE blockbuster trade and conned the owners into somehow letting him sign Deion , Haley and others back in early 90's. Hasn't done a fucking thing since.
They can bring out all the old stars they want. They are still the 2nd most screwed up organization in NFL (DC 1st). Eventually, even cowboy fans will tire of Jones' act.
As long as Jerry runs team and continuously hires feeble coaches and staff...
The cowboys will always SUCK
RE: I think he has a point  
short lease : 2/17/2018 5:49 pm : link
In comment 13835027 Mark from Jersey said:
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Football in the 80's and 90's is far superior to today's product.

Part of me thinks the last CBA hurt a lot. These practice limits are aweful and early season games are sloppy.

Too many guys get hurt every year on ever team. Is it over training? Is it under training? Turf vs. grass? who knows.


I am beginning to wonder if some guys (who are naturally gifted athletes) are more into being a "Famous Sports Hero" then they are at being a great Football player?

I hope I am wrong about that ... and it is not true.

Also, is it possible the league has to many teams and we are exposed to a water downed product? It is to late now for that though ... even if it is true, what organization will fold it tents?
Jerry is a brilliant Marketer  
Manning10 : 2/17/2018 6:41 pm : link
and Sales/Businessman. But his Football acumen speaks for itself. It kills him that he cannot duplicate Jimmy Johnsons building Championship teams and later Bill Parcells Getting back to respectability.
I think there is a video somewhere of him saying he will never hire someone like Parcells again. That's why he keeps Garrett around someone who just goes along to keep his Job.
In his mind he is the Cowboys and its Jerrys World and everyone better damn know it. Thank the Football Gods for that!
RE: I feel like Haley has said some crazy shit on the past too  
FStubbs : 2/19/2018 9:29 am : link
In comment 13835115 MetsAreBack said:
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though maybe i'm thinking of someone else, i dont feel like researching it.

Hope he's not a CTE victim, he was damn good player back in the day.

I do think the Cowboys need to move on from Dez.


From that Boys will be Boys book, Haley was certifiable. Hall of Fame talent, but I'd rather have T.O. in the locker room.
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