According to 24/7 Sports the Bills are supposedly all in on Josh Rosen and could make a very attractive offer to the Giants in exchange for their 1st Round pick (#2 overall). They are suggesting that it could look something like this.
- Bills 2018 two 1st Round picks (#'s 21 and 22 overall)
- Bills 2018 2nd Round pick (#50 overall)
- Bills starting LT Cordy Glenn
- Bills 2019 1st Round pick
- Bills 2019 2nd Round pick
BBI, would you do this deal?
in the Bills!
Sy, you may have answered this elsewhere but at 2, if Darnold and Rosen are there who do you go?
Some points - Glenn’s contract is pretty team friendly in the sense they can get out of it after next year with a post June 1st cut.
All of those picks would also put the Giants in a nice position to move up again this draft if a player they love slips, or even next year if they like the QB class more.
Both firsts 2018
Both seconds 2018
And their 3rd 2018
Not interested in Cordy Glenn with his cap hit and injury history
+1.
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If the Bills are wanting to move up that far to be sure to get the guy they want it's not at all out of the realm of possibility that this would be what they offer to get our #2 spot. I would take that in a heartbeat if they believe Webb has possibilities. If he does not work out you have picks to use next year to move up and grab a top QB next year
Nice thing is with Reese gone we will now know once and for all if Webb was worth that pick.
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has garnered so much discussion. I thought everyone knew that 24/7 Sports is just click-bait. I'm not sure which is worse 24/7 or Clutchpoints.
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Yeah, this is what happens when people don't pay attention to what has been posted.
But that would be hard to pass up. Depends on if Gettleman wants one of the QBs...
If the Bills believe Rosen is the guy, they’d probably be willing to give up more than any chart would suggest given how they’ve been destroyed by Brady for almost 20 years. They could see this as their opportunity to turn the table on the division.
I agree. But if the Giants did not want a QB, Glenn would have to be 100% medically cleared. He's missed a lot of games. Only then I'd do it.
Sy: Why do you think it's impossible? Bills giving too much away?
And typically with the most dramatic headline teasers to get the reader to click. On FB, whenever these "stories" pops up on my feed, I read the comments first as someone will reveal the story and save a click.
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that trade would ever be proposed
Sy, you may have answered this elsewhere but at 2, if Darnold and Rosen are there who do you go?
I've leaned Rosen for awhile, but I am holding off on final answer for now. Still some to see, and his medicals are worrisome. Darnold has more upside, I'll say that
So they gave up 4 picks to move up 4 spots.
This scenario they are only giving up 5 picks and an injury prone OT whose making a shit load of money to move up 19 spots.
I've leaned Rosen for awhile, but I am holding off on final answer for now. Still some to see, and his medicals are worrisome. Darnold has more upside, I'll say that
Rosen just turned 21 and it's as if people think he's already maxed out. He is the most coachable QB in the draft, so I expect a lot of growth between now and the time he is winning Super Bowls for the Giants! A QB's upside isn't limited simply because he's a pure pocket passer and is no danger to run for twenty yards at a time.
Rosen will never be the threat to run that Darnold is, but Darnold will never be the natural thrower that Rosen is. And since throwing the ball is job#1 for a QB, I'll take Rosen's upside over any QB in the draft.
p.s.--People are allowed to have whatever opinion they want on every prospect (positive, negative, and anywhere in between) and so am I. Are we not allowed to disagree with each other because of that? Isn't that the whole fucking point of a message board like this!
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I've leaned Rosen for awhile, but I am holding off on final answer for now. Still some to see, and his medicals are worrisome. Darnold has more upside, I'll say that
I don't get the "upside" argument. Darnold is more likely to be the next Ben Roethlisberger than Rosen, but Rosen is more likely to be the next Peyton Manning, so who really has more upside? Does Darnold have more upside than Peyton did coming out of college (or Dan Marino)?
Rosen just turned 21 and it's as if people think he's already maxed out. He is the most coachable QB in the draft, so I expect a lot of growth between now and the time he is winning Super Bowls for the Giants! A QB's upside isn't limited simply because he's a pure pocket passer and is no danger to run for twenty yards at a time.
Rosen will never be the threat to run that Darnold is, but Darnold will never be the natural thrower that Rosen is. And since throwing the ball is job#1 for a QB, I'll take Rosen's upside over any QB in the draft.
Thats fine. Like I said it is going to be a toss up.
But I said the same thing about Sam Bradford, just unsure about his ability to hold up. And got criticized for it strongly too.
Rosen is the best looking thrower I have seen in a long time. But his accuracy isn't better than Darnold. His athletic ability isn't better. My guess on who holds up better will be Darnold.
If Darnold was not full of too-aggressive decision making in 2017 that led to his turnovers, he would likely be a sure thing #1 guy on. my list. Trust me, I don't overlook that....if anything that is what weighs him down. But physically Darnold has the advantage.
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I've leaned Rosen for awhile, but I am holding off on final answer for now. Still some to see, and his medicals are worrisome. Darnold has more upside, I'll say that
I don't get the "upside" argument. Darnold is more likely to be the next Ben Roethlisberger than Rosen, but Rosen is more likely to be the next Peyton Manning, so who really has more upside? Does Darnold have more upside than Peyton did coming out of college (or Dan Marino)?
Rosen just turned 21 and it's as if people think he's already maxed out. He is the most coachable QB in the draft, so I expect a lot of growth between now and the time he is winning Super Bowls for the Giants! A QB's upside isn't limited simply because he's a pure pocket passer and is no danger to run for twenty yards at a time.
Rosen will never be the threat to run that Darnold is, but Darnold will never be the natural thrower that Rosen is. And since throwing the ball is job#1 for a QB, I'll take Rosen's upside over any QB in the draft.
Thanks Sy.
I’m of similar mind on Rosen after doing research on him. Honestly I’m sold, I hope he is there and the guy.
And interesting point Milton, from a cerebral standpoint I think Rosen is as smart a person as Peyton was coming out. That alone is enough to get me excited, and I agree that if he physically has a limited ceiling but cerebrally is like Peyton, Rogers or Brady, run to the podium.
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I've leaned Rosen for awhile, but I am holding off on final answer for now. Still some to see, and his medicals are worrisome. Darnold has more upside, I'll say that
I don't get the "upside" argument. Darnold is more likely to be the next Ben Roethlisberger than Rosen, but Rosen is more likely to be the next Peyton Manning, so who really has more upside? Does Darnold have more upside than Peyton did coming out of college (or Dan Marino)?
Rosen just turned 21 and it's as if people think he's already maxed out. He is the most coachable QB in the draft, so I expect a lot of growth between now and the time he is winning Super Bowls for the Giants! A QB's upside isn't limited simply because he's a pure pocket passer and is no danger to run for twenty yards at a time.
Rosen will never be the threat to run that Darnold is, but Darnold will never be the natural thrower that Rosen is. And since throwing the ball is job#1 for a QB, I'll take Rosen's upside over any QB in the draft.
Thats fine. Like I said it is going to be a toss up.
But I said the same thing about Sam Bradford, just unsure about his ability to hold up. And got criticized for it strongly too.
Rosen is the best looking thrower I have seen in a long time. But his accuracy isn't better than Darnold. His athletic ability isn't better. My guess on who holds up better will be Darnold.
If Darnold was not full of too-aggressive decision making in 2017 that led to his turnovers, he would likely be a sure thing #1 guy on. my list. Trust me, I don't overlook that....if anything that is what weighs him down. But physically Darnold has the advantage.
Darnold is not more accurate than Rosen. Darnold is nowhere near the passer Rosen is.
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I've leaned Rosen for awhile, but I am holding off on final answer for now. Still some to see, and his medicals are worrisome. Darnold has more upside, I'll say that
I don't get the "upside" argument. Darnold is more likely to be the next Ben Roethlisberger than Rosen, but Rosen is more likely to be the next Peyton Manning, so who really has more upside? Does Darnold have more upside than Peyton did coming out of college (or Dan Marino)?
Rosen just turned 21 and it's as if people think he's already maxed out. He is the most coachable QB in the draft, so I expect a lot of growth between now and the time he is winning Super Bowls for the Giants! A QB's upside isn't limited simply because he's a pure pocket passer and is no danger to run for twenty yards at a time.
Rosen will never be the threat to run that Darnold is, but Darnold will never be the natural thrower that Rosen is. And since throwing the ball is job#1 for a QB, I'll take Rosen's upside over any QB in the draft.
Thats fine. Like I said it is going to be a toss up.
But I said the same thing about Sam Bradford, just unsure about his ability to hold up. And got criticized for it strongly too.
Rosen is the best looking thrower I have seen in a long time. But his accuracy isn't better than Darnold. His athletic ability isn't better. My guess on who holds up better will be Darnold.
If Darnold was not full of too-aggressive decision making in 2017 that led to his turnovers, he would likely be a sure thing #1 guy on. my list. Trust me, I don't overlook that....if anything that is what weighs him down. But physically Darnold has the advantage.
Darnold is not more accurate than Rosen. Darnold is nowhere near the passer Rosen is.
I've watched every throw by the 2 of them from 2017.
Darnold has better accuracy numbers 15+ yards, Rosen is better under 15. They are close.
I think it is a draw. Rosen has more upside as a thrower, he is very clean and crisp. But man...there were a lot of throws where I was unpleasantly suprised. Texas A&M in particular.
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I've leaned Rosen for awhile, but I am holding off on final answer for now. Still some to see, and his medicals are worrisome. Darnold has more upside, I'll say that
I don't get the "upside" argument. Darnold is more likely to be the next Ben Roethlisberger than Rosen, but Rosen is more likely to be the next Peyton Manning, so who really has more upside? Does Darnold have more upside than Peyton did coming out of college (or Dan Marino)?
Rosen just turned 21 and it's as if people think he's already maxed out. He is the most coachable QB in the draft, so I expect a lot of growth between now and the time he is winning Super Bowls for the Giants! A QB's upside isn't limited simply because he's a pure pocket passer and is no danger to run for twenty yards at a time.
Rosen will never be the threat to run that Darnold is, but Darnold will never be the natural thrower that Rosen is. And since throwing the ball is job#1 for a QB, I'll take Rosen's upside over any QB in the draft.
Thats fine. Like I said it is going to be a toss up.
But I said the same thing about Sam Bradford, just unsure about his ability to hold up. And got criticized for it strongly too.
Rosen is the best looking thrower I have seen in a long time. But his accuracy isn't better than Darnold. His athletic ability isn't better. My guess on who holds up better will be Darnold.
If Darnold was not full of too-aggressive decision making in 2017 that led to his turnovers, he would likely be a sure thing #1 guy on. my list. Trust me, I don't overlook that....if anything that is what weighs him down. But physically Darnold has the advantage.
Darnold is not more accurate than Rosen. Darnold is nowhere near the passer Rosen is.
I've watched every throw by the 2 of them from 2017.
Darnold has better accuracy numbers 15+ yards, Rosen is better under 15. They are close.
I think it is a draw. Rosen has more upside as a thrower, he is very clean and crisp. But man...there were a lot of throws where I was unpleasantly suprised. Texas A&M in particular.
Everything about Rosen in the pocket is better than Darnold. His technique as a passer is better and his accuracy is better.
The numbers don’t mean squat. It’s college and Rosen played with an inferior cast across the board.
I’ve been in the trade down camp since October so I have no skin in the game. But if the Giants stand pat at 2 and go QB, Rosen should be the guy. The only upside Darnold has is mobility.
He also said Luke Faulk will be a very good QB in the NFL
Can Eli give you 2 quality years.
If you deem there's one franchise QB in the draft and he goes number 1, you make the trade.
The haul won't be as good as proposed (knock out 2019s # 2).
But this year you can address the OL with 2 high picks, get a speed rusher and add speed and quality at LB in the top 50.
Then you still have your own 3rd round pick at # 66 and the rest of the draft (hopefully adding a # 4 or 5 comp).
And next year 2 first round picks.
Pretty tempting.
...and way too much Buffalo is giving up.
But if they want to offer such an absurd amount for the #2 pick, Giants should jump all over it.