According to 24/7 Sports the Bills are supposedly all in on Josh Rosen and could make a very attractive offer to the Giants in exchange for their 1st Round pick (#2 overall). They are suggesting that it could look something like this.
- Bills 2018 two 1st Round picks (#'s 21 and 22 overall)
- Bills 2018 2nd Round pick (#50 overall)
- Bills starting LT Cordy Glenn
- Bills 2019 1st Round pick
- Bills 2019 2nd Round pick
BBI, would you do this deal?
Not sure why we keep getting that shit site linked here.
Not sure why we keep getting that shit site linked here.
Can’t wait for today’s updated 247 Sports trade proposal thread. There seems to be a daily thread and the proposal gets more ludicrous each day.
“Would BBI make this trade? Giants trade the number two overall pick to Buffalo for Buffalos’ entire drafts in both 2018 and 2019. Buffalo also sends Cordy Glenn, McCoy and cash to the Giants”-247 Sports
What type of team you enjoy watching
...and all those picks, with the right GM, get you back to what we enjoy.
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FWIW. He said Rosen should’ve stayed in school another year and Darnold should absolutely be the first QB taken.
In terms of money and draft stock (and risk of injury), they both did the right thing. In terms of growing their game, I think Darnold had more reason to stay in school than Rosen.
USC coaching staff sucks. Darnold will learn 10x more behind Eli or on any NFL team than he would at USC.
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I've leaned Rosen for awhile, but I am holding off on final answer for now. Still some to see, and his medicals are worrisome. Darnold has more upside, I'll say that
I don't get the "upside" argument. Darnold is more likely to be the next Ben Roethlisberger than Rosen, but Rosen is more likely to be the next Peyton Manning, so who really has more upside? Does Darnold have more upside than Peyton did coming out of college (or Dan Marino)?
Rosen just turned 21 and it's as if people think he's already maxed out. He is the most coachable QB in the draft, so I expect a lot of growth between now and the time he is winning Super Bowls for the Giants! A QB's upside isn't limited simply because he's a pure pocket passer and is no danger to run for twenty yards at a time.
Rosen will never be the threat to run that Darnold is, but Darnold will never be the natural thrower that Rosen is. And since throwing the ball is job#1 for a QB, I'll take Rosen's upside over any QB in the draft.
Thats fine. Like I said it is going to be a toss up.
But I said the same thing about Sam Bradford, just unsure about his ability to hold up. And got criticized for it strongly too.
Rosen is the best looking thrower I have seen in a long time. But his accuracy isn't better than Darnold. His athletic ability isn't better. My guess on who holds up better will be Darnold.
If Darnold was not full of too-aggressive decision making in 2017 that led to his turnovers, he would likely be a sure thing #1 guy on. my list. Trust me, I don't overlook that....if anything that is what weighs him down. But physically Darnold has the advantage.
Darnold is not more accurate than Rosen. Darnold is nowhere near the passer Rosen is.
I've watched every throw by the 2 of them from 2017.
Darnold has better accuracy numbers 15+ yards, Rosen is better under 15. They are close.
I think it is a draw. Rosen has more upside as a thrower, he is very clean and crisp. But man...there were a lot of throws where I was unpleasantly suprised. Texas A&M in particular.
Everything about Rosen in the pocket is better than Darnold. His technique as a passer is better and his accuracy is better.
The numbers don’t mean squat. It’s college and Rosen played with an inferior cast across the board
Disagree that “Everythig about Rosen in the pocket is better than Darnold”
Darnold can avoid the rush, move in and out of the pocket, and make a throw while taking a hit or with defenders in his face WAY better than Rosen.
And Disagree “..Rosen played with an inferior cast across the board”
Was USC better than UCLA... yeah... But Darnold’s OL was dog shit this year... he had Ro Jo who I like a lot at 34. He is a 1500+ yard back and Darnold still threw for over 4000 yards
Darnold used to play Linebacker, Rosen used to play Tennis.
Darnold is tough SOB at QB and Rosen was in concussion protocol for what would have been about 4 weeks in an NFL season.
Drop down to 22 and still get the best QB in the draft, Lamar Jackson.
Drop down to 22 and still get the best QB in the draft, Lamar Jackson.
“So there you have it”? Have what? An absolute abomination of a website agreeing with you?
I’m not sure that’s something to be pounding your chest about...
Drop down to 22 and still get the best QB in the draft, Lamar Jackson.
Consider it? You skip the whole way down the hall towards signing the paperwork.
That is a complete fleecing! I would LOVE THAT!
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I would take it.....if Webb is a possibly long-term solution at QB.
Consider it? You skip the whole way down the hall towards signing the paperwork.
That is a complete fleecing! I would LOVE THAT!
I should add what I consider fair.
I would start negotiations for the 2 firsts this year. Next year's first and second.
If they balk, I would be willing to drop the second to as low as a fourth. Heck if the just won't budge, I'd accept just the three firsts.
Both firsts 2018
Both seconds 2018
And their 3rd 2018
Not interested in Cordy Glenn with his cap hit and injury history
If we trade down we are potentially giving up the chance to draft a franchise QB. I am unwilling to consider any trade down proposal that does not include a 2019 first round pick. We can use the two first rounders next year to move up and get a QB if we believe in one of them.
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I've leaned Rosen for awhile, but I am holding off on final answer for now. Still some to see, and his medicals are worrisome. Darnold has more upside, I'll say that
I don't get the "upside" argument. Darnold is more likely to be the next Ben Roethlisberger than Rosen, but Rosen is more likely to be the next Peyton Manning, so who really has more upside? Does Darnold have more upside than Peyton did coming out of college (or Dan Marino)?
Rosen just turned 21 and it's as if people think he's already maxed out. He is the most coachable QB in the draft, so I expect a lot of growth between now and the time he is winning Super Bowls for the Giants! A QB's upside isn't limited simply because he's a pure pocket passer and is no danger to run for twenty yards at a time.
Rosen will never be the threat to run that Darnold is, but Darnold will never be the natural thrower that Rosen is. And since throwing the ball is job#1 for a QB, I'll take Rosen's upside over any QB in the draft.
Thats fine. Like I said it is going to be a toss up.
But I said the same thing about Sam Bradford, just unsure about his ability to hold up. And got criticized for it strongly too.
Rosen is the best looking thrower I have seen in a long time. But his accuracy isn't better than Darnold. His athletic ability isn't better. My guess on who holds up better will be Darnold.
If Darnold was not full of too-aggressive decision making in 2017 that led to his turnovers, he would likely be a sure thing #1 guy on. my list. Trust me, I don't overlook that....if anything that is what weighs him down. But physically Darnold has the advantage.
Darnold is not more accurate than Rosen. Darnold is nowhere near the passer Rosen is.
I've watched every throw by the 2 of them from 2017.
Darnold has better accuracy numbers 15+ yards, Rosen is better under 15. They are close.
I think it is a draw. Rosen has more upside as a thrower, he is very clean and crisp. But man...there were a lot of throws where I was unpleasantly suprised. Texas A&M in particular.
Everything about Rosen in the pocket is better than Darnold. His technique as a passer is better and his accuracy is better.
The numbers don’t mean squat. It’s college and Rosen played with an inferior cast across the board.
I’ve been in the trade down camp since October so I have no skin in the game. But if the Giants stand pat at 2 and go QB, Rosen should be the guy. The only upside Darnold has is mobility.
There is so much incorrect in this post. For one, Rosen's OL was much better than Darnold's. It's not close. Darnold was constantly throwing under duress or dirty pockets, Rosen threw from clean pockets often. And sometimes, those throws, even with a clean pocket, weren't indicative of this super human accurate QB everyone keeps talking about. There are some serious misses, under no duress. As Sy said, Darnold is more accurate as a downfield passer. I don't even think that's debatable if you've studied both of their tape.
But not Mets fans. :>)
My son's face brightened.
"Dad! I have a great idea!"
"Let's trade Bob Stanley for Dave Winfield and Don Mattingly"
Sure I would do this trade. Except the Bills won't.
When you get Giancarlo and $ for nothing Yankee fans are allowed to belive anything can happen.
That trade and that website are complete garbage. The trade offer doesn't exist! It is some schmuck's attempt to draw clicks and he's apparently done his job well.
That trade and that website are complete garbage. The trade offer doesn't exist! It is some schmuck's attempt to draw clicks and he's apparently done his job well.
Not just this thread, but the same trash was linked/discussed in 2 other threads.
Link to the other threads - ( New Window )
If the trade is real, you'd do it in an instant, but only after you tell a top Guard be's going to be the highest paid OL and you take the next 27 years of #1's from the Bills....
If the trade is real, you'd do it in an instant, but only after you tell a top Guard be's going to be the highest paid OL and you take the next 27 years of #1's from the Bills....
It is as if the scenario and accompanying dialog is a barometer to see who qualifies for admission into DENSA.
DENSA Test - ( New Window )
If the trade is real, you'd do it in an instant, but only after you tell a top Guard be's going to be the highest paid OL and you take the next 27 years of #1's from the Bills....
Hey grouchy grinch.
!2 first round trades in the 2017 draft.
Between 2005 and 2014 there were 73 trades involving 123 first round draft picks.
This is like the third of these threads involving just Buffalo this week. I don't think anyone is taking them seriously, but no harm in speculating on what a trade for the second pick might bring in return and whether it would be doable.
Get used to it because you have nine more weeks until the draft and there will be a whole bunch more of these.
No reason to resort to name calling because you don't approve of the thread.
- Bills 2018 2nd Round pick (#50 overall)
- Bills starting LT Cordy Glenn
- Bills 2019 1st Round pick
- Bills 2019 2nd Round pick
There's supposed to be any type of "serious discussion" around that? Look at it again - 3 1st round picks. Two second round picks and a player.
You think I'm grouchy for people taking it seriously? No. I'm fucking flabbergasted that people actually exist who give credence to the steaming pile of shit.
Absolute fucking idiots.