I'm of the opinion that the Giants aren't going to improve the OL and change the culture in the locker room without getting rid of Flowers (and if he can take his $2.4M guaranteed salary with him, all the better). It's based on my belief that he has a bad attitude and doesn't buy into the team concept. On top of that, I don't see him as ever being what you want at left tackle and I question his ability to transition to another position given all the technique issues which have dogged him since his college days. All that being said, I don't know the guy and it's not like my opinion is based on a mountain of information. So I could be wrong!!!
Now that my disclaimer is out of the way, historically speaking, first round disappointments at OL have commanded 5th or 6th round picks in return. I'd be happy with a conditional 7th round pick in 2019 or 2020, so getting anything for him in 2018 would be like the cherry on top of the whip cream on top of the ice cream.
| Rams sent Greg Robinson to the Lions in June 2017 in exchange for a 6th-round pick in 2018 NFL Draft |
| Browns sent Cam Erving to Chiefs in August 2017 in exchange for a 5th-round pick in 2018 NFL Draft |
| Lions sent Lake Tomlinson to 49ers in August 2017 in exchange for a 5th-round pick in 2019 NFL Draft |
| Bears sent Gabe Carimi to Buccaneers in June 2013 in exchange for a 6th-round pick in 2014 NFL Draft |
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Him not doing secret Santa shouldn’t and won’t effect his roster spot. Can’t believe I even typed that.
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How about we give the new staff a chance to see what they can do. There will be a new coaching staff, new game plan, and new blocking schemes. EF may respond to all these new variables.
Like I said, this is all just guesswork on my part as I try to read the tea leaves, but actions speak louder than words. If they trade him before the draft it means they are giving him a chance under the new regime. If they trade him after the draft, but before the start of the season, it means they gave him a chance and didn't like what they saw. If he is still on the roster going into the season, it means they still value him.
The actions that you're referencing are that he didn't participate in Secret Santa. That's it. And with regards to the last game of the season, you'd prefer to believe that the coach was lying about Flowers being injured rather than consider that the beat writers, who have been wrong about absolutely everything recently, might have been wrong about this, too. Or that Jordan Ranaan, with whom the Flowers "checked out" narrative originated, might have had an axe to grind, since it was he that Flowers pushed in the locker room last season.
You're absolutely impossible once you get a particular thought in your mind, veracity be damned.
You couldn't identify one of the best (and most recognizable) OL of recent Giants history. Maybe you're not the best person to determine who's better or worse than Flowers.
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We're talking about the 22nd highest paid LT in the league - at worst he's a swing back-up for a year if 4 guys outplay him and he can't crack lineup at guard or tackle.
If you cut him and eat 2M, and if the market for a fringe tackle is the same as last year (Fluker, 3M), you aren't making out.
He clearly has deficiencies with his technique, virtually every commentator points it out. He'd have to have greatly improve to warrant longterm investment and high dollars.
But for a guy who gave up 6 sacks (3 in 1 awful game), who's not making prohibitive money, and had some really nice stretches last year, I don't see the Giants giving him up for nothing.
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You couldn't identify one of the best (and most recognizable) OL of recent Giants history. Maybe you're not the best person to determine who's better or worse than Flowers.
GD - how do you type on threads with your hands typically busy playing with yourself while staring at images of former Giant players?
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In comment 13835677 Jimmy Googs said:
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You couldn't identify one of the best (and most recognizable) OL of recent Giants history. Maybe you're not the best person to determine who's better or worse than Flowers.
GD - how do you type on threads with your hands typically busy playing with yourself while staring at images of former Giant players?
Aww, that's cute.
For everyone else's edification - I posted a picture of Rich Seubert in response to Jimmy's complaints about the Giants never seeming to find a good lineman as an UDFA, and he thought it was Brett Jones. So now he's trying to claim that it's odd for a Giants fan to recognize Seubert.
What say you, BBI?
I think he can be a solid guard. We made a horrible decision taking him so high and thinking he could play left tackle when everyone who knows the game said he was not a left tackle.
He might not make it through final cuts -- which the staff and GM have every right obviously to make that decision.
But with a new staff and new linemates, it's prudent for the staff to see what they have in him, see if they can get him coached up physically and mentally.
It's not necessarily optimism, it's just being practical.
For what it's worth, he sounds like a total asshole. And that more than his average play is his biggest issue.
After 3 seasons, the wait is over.....he is what he is...