One thing that seems to have gone unnoticed with the defense

Improved significantly under Spags. '15 he was given some of the worst talent ever. In '16 the results were positive. In '17, prior to the injuries mounting, the defense had a few issues.

1. Linebacker play was not good. Even Goodson was average at best

2. Over use of JPP and OV. Its nice that they go hard, but the fact that NYG has 0 depth is a testament to bad drafting

3. Lack of defensive leadership - No one on this team, D especially is a true leader. The kind who would not have allowed Eli Apple or JJ or DRC to get so out of line. JPP is not that type. OV spent too much time kneeling before games rather then focusing his team. Collins seems to have a lot of the qualities but something was missing.

Spags certainly needed to do a better job this year, but by and large his second stint with NYG was not a failure, but not as good as the first go round.

In comment 13835760 djstat said:

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1. Linebacker play was not good. Even Goodson was average at best

With regard to Lb play: What did you expect when our lb corp is made up of mid to late round draft picks, others teams throw offs and UDFA?

Real leaders on both offense and defense I think Landon Collins is a good place to start

But my point is it’s been nice to at least see them stop people on 4th and goal and 4thand 1or 2 for a change but nobody not the Guys who do the games not Bob Papa has taken notice and I bet their are stats kept that might prove me right and that’s something to build on because for years after Parcells left they couldn’t stop anybody until the goal line stand against Washington in 2007

He had 18 tackles the opener against Dallas and it was the only healthy game he played all year. Do we have something here or don't we?

in sports, the worth of an athlete is measured in availability.. Goodson so far has failed that test.

The point about the bad drafting is the real key issue here.

And it only took management a decade to wake up to it and do something about it.

And allow Snacks Harrison to really shine. He is the best run stuffer in the game and forces offenses to adjust in these situations. He deserves a lot of the credit.

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In comment 13835823 est1986 said:

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*Spags?

He did a great job.

In comment 13835760 djstat said:

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Improved significantly under Spags. '15 he was given some of the worst talent ever. In '16 the results were positive. In '17, prior to the injuries mounting, the defense had a few issues. 1. Linebacker play was not good. Even Goodson was average at best 2. Over use of JPP and OV. Its nice that they go hard, but the fact that NYG has 0 depth is a testament to bad drafting 3. Lack of defensive leadership - No one on this team, D especially is a true leader. The kind who would not have allowed Eli Apple or JJ or DRC to get so out of line. JPP is not that type. OV spent too much time kneeling before games rather then focusing his team. Collins seems to have a lot of the qualities but something was missing. Spags certainly needed to do a better job this year, but by and large his second stint with NYG was not a failure, but not as good as the first go round.

and the Titanic sprung a slight leak. Please. St Stephen was a disaster here. Year 1 of his second stint was historically bad. All it took in Year 2 was a 200 million diollar spend on players and an all pro season from the sting safety to get blown out in GB and Year 3 was the return to St Stephen’s usual piece of crap defense. Name a historically bad defense in the last 10 years and there is a fair chance St Stephens fingerprints are on it.

He will never be a coordinator again yet posters here continue to make excuses for the guy. Good riddance.

Given the fact that Spags had to mix and match the back 7 all year and that the Giants didn't have a linebacker who could cover and a secondary which kept breaking down, I believe he did an acceptable, though ultimately not successful job. The Defensive ends underperformed in rushing the QB, but that could be attributed to opposing backs, TE's and WR's being open downfield. The defense just couldn't hold a tight lead late, nor come up with critical 3rd. down stops. Spags seems to be genuinely liked by his players. That said, it was time for a complete change, both players and scheme, and unfortunately, that had to include Spags. Something tells me that it was probably a difficult decision for Shurmur, based on their previous association, but one which needed to be done.

I wish him all the best and I'm sure his coaching days are not over.

did great for the first 3 quarters of all but 2 games. Then, the lack of Offense, killed them.

In comment 13835863 HomerJones45 said:

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In comment 13835760 djstat said: Quote: Improved significantly under Spags. '15 he was given some of the worst talent ever. In '16 the results were positive. In '17, prior to the injuries mounting, the defense had a few issues. 1. Linebacker play was not good. Even Goodson was average at best 2. Over use of JPP and OV. Its nice that they go hard, but the fact that NYG has 0 depth is a testament to bad drafting 3. Lack of defensive leadership - No one on this team, D especially is a true leader. The kind who would not have allowed Eli Apple or JJ or DRC to get so out of line. JPP is not that type. OV spent too much time kneeling before games rather then focusing his team. Collins seems to have a lot of the qualities but something was missing. Spags certainly needed to do a better job this year, but by and large his second stint with NYG was not a failure, but not as good as the first go round. and the Titanic sprung a slight leak. Please. St Stephen was a disaster here. Year 1 of his second stint was historically bad. All it took in Year 2 was a 200 million diollar spend on players and an all pro season from the sting safety to get blown out in GB and Year 3 was the return to St Stephen’s usual piece of crap defense. Name a historically bad defense in the last 10 years and there is a fair chance St Stephens fingerprints are on it. He will never be a coordinator again yet posters here continue to make excuses for the guy. Good riddance.

Considering your handle is Homer Jones, I will just assume you are senile. Your stupidity shows by saying the Giants went on a $200 Million spending spree is in accurate since all you did was add up the total of contracts given to four players and that total was based on five year deals.

Never said Spags was a Saint and sure he has flaws but Ignoring where there was success shows how dumb you are. I am sick and tired of fans like you on this board who rip peoples opinions especially when opinions are backed up with facts and examples. All you do is say he was awful.

You disrespect Homer Jones name by how you comment.

In comment 13835760 djstat said:

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Improved significantly under Spags. '15 he was given some of the worst talent ever. In '16 the results were positive. In '17, prior to the injuries mounting, the defense had a few issues. 1. Linebacker play was not good. Even Goodson was average at best 2. Over use of JPP and OV. Its nice that they go hard, but the fact that NYG has 0 depth is a testament to bad drafting 3. Lack of defensive leadership - No one on this team, D especially is a true leader. The kind who would not have allowed Eli Apple or JJ or DRC to get so out of line. JPP is not that type. OV spent too much time kneeling before games rather then focusing his team. Collins seems to have a lot of the qualities but something was missing. Spags certainly needed to do a better job this year, but by and large his second stint with NYG was not a failure, but not as good as the first go round.

Two out of three years, it was one of the two worst defenses in the league; one of those years, it was one of the worst defenses in NFL history. It absolutely was an abject failure.

to be maybe a memory of one goal line stand that prompted this post because we were not good last year in stopping opponents.

From 1st and goal inside the 5 yardline, we held opponents to a FG or no points 3 times.

NFL teams scored TDs on 58.5 percent of plays run from the 1-yard line this year (114 TDs scored on 195 plays). The Giants ranked low on the list, allowing 78% of plays run from the one yard line to be TD's.

Fat man not just last year.my point is there was a time there when we couldn’t stop anybody on 4th down or in goal line situations this group of players has been able to have a lot more success stopping other teams coaches going for it at midfield ,they haven’t been great but better amidst all the other bullshit that was going on with Macadoo that’s all I’m saying ,I don’t know if it’s been scheme or just these players desire.... and I’m not talking about getting off the field just goal line and 4th downs and I believe even last year their was more than one situation but I’m sure they’re is some website that keeps these stats.....

of the league in red zone defense in 2014. We were last in 2015 and 2016 we were very good.

Not surprisingly, the goal line stops mimicked the red zone D stats. We were dead last in the league in 2015. In fact, that D was dead last in a lot of categories.

3 out of 4 years, we've been poor if not downright terrible at stopping opponents at the goal line.

That might be why it has gone unnoticed. It isn't happening.

But forget stopping people in general I’m talking about 4th down other teams going for it 4th and goal all I’m saying is giants been better at it the last 4 years than the previous 15 quite possibly I’m wrong your more the expert big guy !