PKing on the Giants and the No 2 draft selection

In the senior bowl , I would be happy with him or Rosen , I think they will be better pro QBs than college QBs where as I think Mayfield has to get in the right situation but I think he’s a better college QB than pro.... Allen has Elway like potential !

Thanks for posting those Friday reading and Saturday reading news links
I look forward to those every week especially in da slow news season
Good job brother !

he says we will pass on a QB but still stay at number 2 overall. He isn't talking about a trade down, while I wouldn't rule that out, but taking a player at 2 that is worthy of the pick but not a QB. So, the 2 main guys that jump out to me are Chubb and Barkley. I think I'd really be surprised by anybody else. Maybe Fitzpatrick. He could be great in Bettcher's D but that doesn't fit Gettleman's philosophy of you need big guys to compete and you need to be able to run the ball, stop the run, and rush the passer. I would not hate the Fitzpatrick pick at all but if that is the case I would 100% be looking to move down and acquire more picks. There are going to be some extremely talented players in the early second that we can bring in that would be very cheap. That seems like the sweet spot of the draft this year.

in the draft just to take Osweiler off their hands. Unreal.

#fine

If Denver goes hard after Cousins they may have to cut Derek Wolfe. That would be a player I’d like to see in Betcher’s scheme.

The chatter on Buffalo liking Rosen and looking to move up continues to grow. It’s either an echo chamber or real. A separate article this weekend said Buffalo was calling around to teams in the top ten.

I completely agree that Gettleman would draft a non QB at number 2. Barkley or Chubb might make the most sense. It it’s not a qb at 2 I’d prefer they trade down if possible. But if the team took a Qb in round 2 or 3 I’m fine with that. White from Western Ky and Lauletta from Richmond are attractive prospects to sit behind Eli for a year.

DG "passing" on a qb, leaves the giants a chance to pick an elite player at another position of weakness that could start right away.

He said he was going to "fix" it.

I don't see how he doesn't fall in love with Quentin Nelson.

Peter King is never right.

Mara knows Eli is on his way out. That's why he allowed him to be benched last year. They hired a guy whose known for working well & developing QBs. Nothing points in the direction of drafting a position other than QB.

At #2 I have to believe it is because they determined that none of the guys available were equal to the value of that pick and not because they wanted to fill another major need.

In comment 13835917 joeinpa said:

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At #2 I have to believe it is because they determined that none of the guys available were equal to the value of that pick and not because they wanted to fill another major need.

Agreed.

In comment 13835912 Big Rick in FL said:

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Peter King is never right. Mara knows Eli is on his way out. That's why he allowed him to be benched last year. They hired a guy whose known for working well & developing QBs. Nothing points in the direction of drafting a position other than QB.

But by you saying Peter King is never right that means you think the Giants will NOT take a QB at 2 because that is whathe is predicting.

Cleveland wants to come out if this draft with the best QB in the draft and maybe also get the best player in the draft in Barkley. Here is a possible trade that could work:

Cleveland would get pick 2 and our 5th rounder
NYG would get pick 4, 33, 35 and Clevelands 4th rounder.

The only way I see Gettlemen trading out of the pick is if Cleveland takes Darnold number 1. I believe he is the QB they want, otherwise a trade back is the way to build this team. I think Nelson, Barkley and Chubb rank higher than the other QB's.

Imagine NYG drafting Nelson in round 1, then having picks 33,34 and 35 would be insane.

I meant his sources. I've seen him say I've heard this from people and they don't happen very often.

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Cleveland wants to come out if this draft with the best QB in the draft and maybe also get the best player in the draft in Barkley. Here is a possible trade that could work: Cleveland would get pick 2 and our 5th rounder NYG would get pick 4, 33, 35 and Clevelands 4th rounder. The only way I see Gettlemen trading out of the pick is if Cleveland takes Darnold number 1. I believe he is the QB they want, otherwise a trade back is the way to build this team. I think Nelson, Barkley and Chubb rank higher than the other QB's. Imagine NYG drafting Nelson in round 1, then having picks 33,34 and 35 would be insane.

I could live with this trade a lot more than the one being conjured on 24 7 Sports, which proposed a trade with the Bills for their 2 first rounders.

But if they pass on Rosen or Darnold, it will be a mistake.

Darnold and Rosen aren't QB reaches @2. They are the best of a strong QB class. I get the injury concerns with Rosen, but I'm less concerned because he won't be forced to start right away. Give him a year to learn under Eli and Shurmur, put the concussions in the rear view mirror, and let him fill out in an NFL weight room. They need this time to rebuild the Oline anyway -this team is not ready to win now -far too many holes.

This team has been bad for a long time. Any notion of a win now mentality is a horrendous thought. Patch job fixes will get you a repeat 2016 -the illusion your are on track, until the reality sets in that the core is still rotten. They can't be that stupid, can they?

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(arguably probable) is not the foregone conclusion that people thought even a month ago.

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At #2 I have to believe it is because they determined that none of the guys available were equal to the value of that pick and not because they wanted to fill another major need.

That is my feeling as well.

At all.

So I wouldn’t think that this means anything.

that I believe he is committed to fixing our running game, first and foremost, and signing Norwell and drafting Barkley would make a major dent in that project.

Haven't a monster running game would pave the way for a lesser QB to take over down the line and not have to shoulder the load. Like what happened with Russell Wilson.

I expect them to draft a QB but they will likely wait until the 2nd-4th round range. This is a very deep RB draft so it doesn't make sense to me to use the 2nd overall pick on a RB. I am hoping that the Browns sign Kirk Cousins so that takes them out of the market for a QB at 1.

First this is not a strong QB class at least not at the top. Second, I can make a good argument that all signs are pointing to DG taking a non-QB at the 2 spot. Rosen has red flags. I don’t care what anyone says I’d be shocked if the Giants took Rosen at 2 being that if one of those red flags come true they swung and missed and DG has already said that is exactly what he doesn’t want to do. Darnold looks like the best of the bunch but he might not be there. Allen is not as ready as the other two which would be ok sitting for 2 years but at 2 I dont think you want projects.

#2 is for a special player and based on what DG likes and has said it looks to me like it can’t be anyone other than Barkley. Chubb maybe but if Darnold isn’t there then it has to be Barkley. I dont want to hear “oh you can get a HB later” nonsense. Sorry you wont get LT or Barry Sanders types of HB’s later. Conceivably its possible but you KNOW Barkley is it.

He’s a home run he’s great on the field AND off the field and we all see how Zeke transformed the Cowboys.

were telling him the Browns were drafting Josh Allen with the first pick?

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Peter King is never right. Mara knows Eli is on his way out. That's why he allowed him to be benched last year. They hired a guy whose known for working well & developing QBs. Nothing points in the direction of drafting a position other than QB.

Is it possible they hired a guy to develop Webb?

What "other major needs" have value that high in the draft? You are basically talking OLT or pass rusher. RB, as a need, is not something you need to spend a 1st rounder on, much less #2 overall. It's also not consistent with building upfront. The only way to justify the selection of a RB is if the talent was so great it offset considerations for need and value. That argument pretty much holds for anything outside of Oline, pass rusher or QB.

OL is a obviously a major need, but again, unless we are talking OLT, there value just isn't there for any other Oline @ 2 overall. So either we are talking a talent that is so great the selection offsets considerations for value, or we are talking about an OLT. Unless this ND OG was far and away the best player in the draft, I don't see that one and I don't see any OLTs worth the #2 either.

The only consideration for need is pass rusher. There are some good ones, yes, but are there any worthy of #2 overall? I just don't see it. A truly dominant pass rusher can be more that justified here. But just being the best in this particular class doesn't cut it.

In comment 13835995 Jay in Toronto said:

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In comment 13835912 Big Rick in FL said: Quote: Peter King is never right. Mara knows Eli is on his way out. That's why he allowed him to be benched last year. They hired a guy whose known for working well & developing QBs. Nothing points in the direction of drafting a position other than QB. Is it possible they hired a guy to develop Webb?

Yes and No. They hired a guy to develop the next franchise QB, which at this point Davis Webb is in the mix. But it could be a draft pick as well

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What "other major needs" have value that high in the draft? You are basically talking OLT or pass rusher. RB, as a need, is not something you need to spend a 1st rounder on, much less #2 overall. It's also not consistent with building upfront. The only way to justify the selection of a RB is if the talent was so great it offset considerations for need and value. That argument pretty much holds for anything outside of Oline, pass rusher or QB. OL is a obviously a major need, but again, unless we are talking OLT, there value just isn't there for any other Oline @ 2 overall. So either we are talking a talent that is so great the selection offsets considerations for value, or we are talking about an OLT. Unless this ND OG was far and away the best player in the draft, I don't see that one and I don't see any OLTs worth the #2 either. The only consideration for need is pass rusher. There are some good ones, yes, but are there any worthy of #2 overall? I just don't see it. A truly dominant pass rusher can be more that justified here. But just being the best in this particular class doesn't cut it.

If your offensive philosophy is going to be to control the line of scrimmage through a powerful, effective running game.... Then having a stud RB could be viewed as the prized jewel/centerpiece of that build, especially if you have a free agency plan for the O-line already (Norwell).

game, a QB may be secondary in the plan.

Just looking at it from all sides.

the idea of using the #2 pick on an offensive lineman...

I am against it... period. The offensive line cannot be fixed with one player. It is a UNIT that in reality needs to be fixed via free agency if we want to see an improvement THIS season.

The production difference between taking a QB or a RB at the #2 vs taking ONE offensive lineman is huge.

available on their board.

A lot of people believe Barkley is the best player in the entire draft. Do the Giants? Because if they do, and he's there at 2, then they'll take him if he's rated over one of the QB's.

It all depends on their overall ranking of players, IMO.

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game, a QB may be secondary in the plan. Just looking at it from all sides.

If that what you believe the philosophy will be --"everything on offense going to go through the run", then yes, perhaps a QB could be secondary in the plans. That's very 1980s, but possible.

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In comment 13836003 Britt in VA said: Quote: game, a QB may be secondary in the plan. Just looking at it from all sides. If that what you believe the philosophy will be --"everything on offense going to go through the run", then yes, perhaps a QB could be secondary in the plans. That's very 1980s, but possible.

It seems to be a model that's circling back around in the NFL.

and the success of pro style Quarterbacks drafted in later rounds over high spread offense QB's.

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In comment 13836014 UberAlias said: Quote: In comment 13836003 Britt in VA said: Quote: game, a QB may be secondary in the plan. Just looking at it from all sides. If that what you believe the philosophy will be --"everything on offense going to go through the run", then yes, perhaps a QB could be secondary in the plans. That's very 1980s, but possible. It seems to be a model that's circling back around in the NFL.

It is, yes, I agree. Full circle? I guess we'll see.

what I do know is that since Andrew Luck, I haven't really seen a true old fashioned can't miss "franchise QB" come out of the draft.

I'm beginning to wonder if colleges will every produce them again with any regularity.

or pro days yet. Nobody had any idea what anyone is doing. ALL these articles are just click bait.

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what I do know is that since Andrew Luck, I haven't really seen a true old fashioned can't miss "franchise QB" come out of the draft. I'm beginning to wonder if colleges will every produce them again with any regularity.

College spread offenses give the NFL not ready for prime time QBs and offensive linemen.

Since we can't see the Giants rookie QB evaluations, I think we are all just guessing on what we feel is best for the team.

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or pro days yet. Nobody had any idea what anyone is doing. ALL these articles are just click bait.

Yeah, well when Barkley throws up 30 reps of 225 on the bench press, power cleans 405, and then runs a 4.3 40, he may very well solidify his spot as best player in the draft.

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In comment 13836021 Britt in VA said: Quote: what I do know is that since Andrew Luck, I haven't really seen a true old fashioned can't miss "franchise QB" come out of the draft. I'm beginning to wonder if colleges will every produce them again with any regularity. College spread offenses give the NFL not ready for prime time QBs and offensive linemen. Since we can't see the Giants rookie QB evaluations, I think we are all just guessing on what we feel is best for the team.

Definitely guessing, but I'm also basing my guess off of piecing together Gettleman's comments thus far.

Sam Bradford is a top 12 QB

I do not believe the Giants are locked into anything.

In comment 13835938 Big Rick in FL said:

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I meant his sources. I've seen him say I've heard this from people and they don't happen very often.

Gotcha

In comment 13835929 Rjanyg said:

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Cleveland wants to come out if this draft with the best QB in the draft and maybe also get the best player in the draft in Barkley. Here is a possible trade that could work: Cleveland would get pick 2 and our 5th rounder NYG would get pick 4, 33, 35 and Clevelands 4th rounder. The only way I see Gettlemen trading out of the pick is if Cleveland takes Darnold number 1. I believe he is the QB they want, otherwise a trade back is the way to build this team. I think Nelson, Barkley and Chubb rank higher than the other QB's. Imagine NYG drafting Nelson in round 1, then having picks 33,34 and 35 would be insane.

I'd like to live in this fantasy land where we get a haul like this.

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Peter King is never right. Mara knows Eli is on his way out. That's why he allowed him to be benched last year. They hired a guy whose known for working well & developing QBs. Nothing points in the direction of drafting a position other than QB.

Peter King may not be always right but he always states whether he's espousing an opinion or when he's stating something as fact. And that alone places him higher than most of the hacks out there who write a 2 page article that is nothing more than bullshit disguised as journalism.

And King is not always wrong.

With taking both of Buffalo's #1s, their 2019 and 2020 #1s, and this year's #2 for our #1 in order for them to draft a dude with a concussion history that isn't terribly well liked by his teammates.

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With taking both of Buffalo's #1s, their 2019 and 2020 #1s, and this year's #2 for our #1 in order for them to draft a dude with a concussion history that isn't terribly well liked by his teammates.

Sold.

In comment 13835929 Rjanyg said:

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Cleveland wants to come out if this draft with the best QB in the draft and maybe also get the best player in the draft in Barkley. Here is a possible trade that could work: Cleveland would get pick 2 and our 5th rounder NYG would get pick 4, 33, 35 and Clevelands 4th rounder. The only way I see Gettlemen trading out of the pick is if Cleveland takes Darnold number 1. I believe he is the QB kthey want, otherwise a trade back is the way to build this team. I think Nelson, Barkley and Chubb rank higher than the other QB's. Imagine NYG drafting Nelson in round 1, then having picks 33,34 and 35 would be insane.

DGs trades in Carolina were always productive in providing a starter, or solid backup. While I doubt Dorsey would make that trade(Sashi Brown might have), but if it did go down, it could provide an incredible haul, or flexibility to maybe use 2 of the 3 to get back into rd 1 for somebody specifically at 31(31 and the SF 42 for the 34+35; YK lil Bill) or higher.

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With taking both of Buffalo's #1s, their 2019 and 2020 #1s, and this year's #2 for our #1 in order for them to draft a dude with a concussion history that isn't terribly well liked by his teammates.

Keep pushing the false narrative that Rosen is disliked by his teammates.

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With taking both of Buffalo's #1s, their 2019 and 2020 #1s, and this year's #2 for our #1 in order for them to draft a dude with a concussion history that isn't terribly well liked by his teammates.

Do you honestly think that Buffalo is going to trade four 1st round picks and a 2nd this year for the #2 pick?

In comment 13836003 Britt in VA said:

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game, a QB may be secondary in the plan. Just looking at it from all sides.

I agree; hand off left, pass, hand off right: hand off up the middle, hand off right, swing pass. Don't need a QB that can throw bombs, just one with ability to throw touch passes and quick outs and over the middles to our receiving corps as it is, working in more passes to Ellison also. Maybe get that Jacobs clone from UTexas and go Thunder & Lightening again.