what do Mets junkies think of 2B-Nick Madrigal at pick#6, 21 years old, batted .380, perhaps a Jose Altuve clone. Could probably reach the majors in a year or two, giving us a real nice core of young position players in Smith/Alonso, Rosario, Madrigal, Conforto. I know this is so far off, but just been projecting out.
Not a fan of 5' 7" athletes, but baseball is I guess different than some sports.
It works for Pedroia (and Altuve).
plus he and Conforto come from the same college (not there at the same time obviously).
The bat that intrigues me is Griffin Conine. Son of Jeff Conine and in Cape Cod League has really shown he can hit and hit for power with wood bats.
All that being said, the two SEC arms (Florida's Brady Singer and Auburn's Casey Mize) may be my favorite college players this year.
And this is why the Mets wont take him.
The bat that intrigues me is Griffin Conine. Son of Jeff Conine and in Cape Cod League has really shown he can hit and hit for power with wood bats.
All that being said, the two SEC arms (Florida's Brady Singer and Auburn's Casey Mize) may be my favorite college players this year.
I'd love to get Singer, but he seems like the consensus #1, right?
I saw one mock draft that had the Mets taking a big lefty college pitcher who already had Tommy John surgery. a guy they drafted also when he was in the draft out of high school.
I wonder what the track record is like for pitchers being drafted after you know they already had TJ.
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Makes contact and doesn't strike out. The concern I would have with his game is ultimately how much speed does he have because the SB nubmers don't jump out at me although Oregon State doesn't really use the running game.
The bat that intrigues me is Griffin Conine. Son of Jeff Conine and in Cape Cod League has really shown he can hit and hit for power with wood bats.
All that being said, the two SEC arms (Florida's Brady Singer and Auburn's Casey Mize) may be my favorite college players this year.
I'd love to get Singer, but he seems like the consensus #1, right?
I saw one mock draft that had the Mets taking a big lefty college pitcher who already had Tommy John surgery. a guy they drafted also when he was in the draft out of high school.
I wonder what the track record is like for pitchers being drafted after you know they already had TJ.
Actually not that big, he's 6'1" Shane McClanahan from South Florida.
Lol. Not being a dick but you want to pick arguably a top 5-10 hitter in the game if healthy and one of the true young stars in baseball or pre-injury Harvey who maybe pitched one of the most dominant seasons in the history of the franchise and started the all star game? Who wouldnt want that?? About a third of first rounders actually make it. The fact that Nimmo, Cecchini, Smith, Fuller, Conforto, Reynolds, Plawecki have all seen the majors is quite impressive. Give me a solid everyday regular and Ill be thrilled.
What a weird statement. Making it to the pros and sucking doesnt equate to impressive for. Sorry.
What a weird statement. Making it to the pros and sucking doesnt equate to impressive for. Sorry.
Actually, I'd just say 1 of them.. Conforto.
Nimmo did some nice things last year, but I'm not ready to call him a quality MLB player just yet.
So, yeah.. that'd be 2.
What a weird statement. Making it to the pros and sucking doesnt equate to impressive for. Sorry.
Actually, it does. Making it to the majors is a major feat in itself. This isnt the NFL where every single first round pick turns into a quality MLB starter. The fact that every single first round pick that reasonably could have made it by now and most comp picks have made it to the majors with very few top 10 picks IS impressive.
Go back and look at top 10 lists from 5-10 years ago and you'll see busts left and right. And what are we bashing guys like Nimmo and Smith? Is that a joke? These guys are just getting started and both have upside as everyday players. Cecchini looks like the only weak pick as of now and he's still been up and probably is still a utility player eventually.
I was way too hard on Eric and I apologize but the expectations of some of you guys are nuts. No wonder you all are so miserable. lol.
Conforto isnt a quality everyday player? Conforto was a college bat. The rest were high school. They are just breaking in now and almost all of them dominated in the minors.
He also traded for a couple of other first round picks (Wheeler and Syndergaard) when they were babies but I wont even get into that.
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Two of those players are quality pros. The rest dont even belong in the same sentence, let alone good enough to be pro ball players.
What a weird statement. Making it to the pros and sucking doesnt equate to impressive for. Sorry.
Actually, I'd just say 1 of them.. Conforto.
Nimmo did some nice things last year, but I'm not ready to call him a quality MLB player just yet.
Where did you guys see me say that all THOSE players are quality everyday players? I said the fact that they have all made the majors was impressive. I then said separately.... I would be thrilled if THIS upcoming pick turned into a solid everyday player.
Hoping for a top 10 hitter in the game or best pitcher in the game is going to leave people sadly disappointed.
He picked 13, 12, 11, 10, forfeited for Michael Cudddyer, 19/31, 20
so Kay, Dunn and Peterson are too recent to draw any conclusions.
but for the rest of them, even with the 1st round pick odds, I don't think it's a good sign that there's a legit chance 4 top 13 picks yields one major league regular.
of course Smith and even Nimmo could still develop, but I said "legit shot" if that happens, I doubt Sandy is here to defend it.
Dan I saw him play six times in high school and four times in college and probably 10 other times on TV ..
going to see him March 16 17 and 18 at Cal Berkeley I think he is very special.....He wills his team to win like Derek Jeter they went 56-6 last year without a bunch of high-end starters...Its so easy to say he is Jose Altuve part two we will see
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the position doesn't matter so much, I just want another decade cost-controlled star like Conforto or pre-injury Harvey.
Lol. Not being a dick but you want to pick arguably a top 5-10 hitter in the game if healthy and one of the true young stars in baseball or pre-injury Harvey who maybe pitched one of the most dominant seasons in the history of the franchise and started the all star game? Who wouldnt want that?? About a third of first rounders actually make it. The fact that Nimmo, Cecchini, Smith, Fuller, Conforto, Reynolds, Plawecki have all seen the majors is quite impressive. Give me a solid everyday regular and Ill be thrilled.
Yes - I expect them to get as good of a player as their 2 best first round picks in the last decade considering this is their highest pick in that period of time.
Also I love Conforto as much as any other Met fan but there is no way he's currently a top 5-10 hitter in the game. Let's allow him get 500 ABs in a season before trying to compare him to guys like Trout, Harper, Stanton, Goldschmidt, Bryant, etc.
Ok. Im off my soap box. Have a goodnight.
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Two of those players are quality pros. The rest dont even belong in the same sentence, let alone good enough to be pro ball players.
What a weird statement. Making it to the pros and sucking doesnt equate to impressive for. Sorry.
Actually, it does. Making it to the majors is a major feat in itself. This isnt the NFL where every single first round pick turns into a quality MLB starter. The fact that every single first round pick that reasonably could have made it by now and most comp picks have made it to the majors with very few top 10 picks IS impressive.
Go back and look at top 10 lists from 5-10 years ago and you'll see busts left and right. And what are we bashing guys like Nimmo and Smith? Is that a joke? These guys are just getting started and both have upside as everyday players. Cecchini looks like the only weak pick as of now and he's still been up and probably is still a utility player eventually.
I was way too hard on Eric and I apologize but the expectations of some of you guys are nuts. No wonder you all are so miserable. lol.
Actually, it doesnt. You named a bunch of guys that arent good enough to hold anything but a small bench role and are so bad that they are back and forth between the minors and the pros (if not releases or DFAd altogether). Teams are full of these guys. And spare me with the September callups or someone that just sits on the bench to fill a seat because of an injury.
Yes, color me unimpressed to have a majority of high first round draft picks that amount to nothing. And whats with the top ten number you keep throwing out? Is that some arbitrary number you select to make Sandy look good because he always picks just out of the top ten? Is there really a big difference between 8/9 picks and 11/12/13 picks?
I knew this was going to be a Bat Signal for you. You are the only person in the world that feels that Sandy has drafted well.
Yeah, sort of like how you draw the line at the top 10 drafts picks...a hair before Sandy has picked for a number of years. Pot meet kettle.
Comparing him to Altuve is not really apt since Altuve is a freak of nature and nobody his size has done what he has done in recent memory. Altuve also hit 15 HR in his age 20 season, playing A ball. Madrigal hit 4 playing in college. Altuve also was a great base stealer. Madrigal is not that fast.
I think Madrigal would be a really bad pick. Probably a high floor guy but his ceiling is low
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I love how you draw the line a hair ahead of where he actually was(440 atbats). As if that's not a significant sample over his first full season. Whatever dude. Yeah, Conforto, assuming he heals 100%, is a fluke. Jesus.
Yeah, sort of like how you draw the line at the top 10 drafts picks...a hair before Sandy has picked for a number of years. Pot meet kettle.
What in the Gods name are you talking about man?? Have you lost your mind? I literally named off every first round pick since Sandy's been here AND included comp draft picks. I said to go back and look at other teams top 10 picks from 5-10 years ago for busts (IE higher odds of hitting than Sandy mostly has) and you'll still find busts left and right that never made it out of AA. Do you even read?
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Two of those players are quality pros. The rest dont even belong in the same sentence, let alone good enough to be pro ball players.
What a weird statement. Making it to the pros and sucking doesnt equate to impressive for. Sorry.
Actually, it does. Making it to the majors is a major feat in itself. This isnt the NFL where every single first round pick turns into a quality MLB starter. The fact that every single first round pick that reasonably could have made it by now and most comp picks have made it to the majors with very few top 10 picks IS impressive.
Go back and look at top 10 lists from 5-10 years ago and you'll see busts left and right. And what are we bashing guys like Nimmo and Smith? Is that a joke? These guys are just getting started and both have upside as everyday players. Cecchini looks like the only weak pick as of now and he's still been up and probably is still a utility player eventually.
I was way too hard on Eric and I apologize but the expectations of some of you guys are nuts. No wonder you all are so miserable. lol.
Actually, it doesnt. You named a bunch of guys that arent good enough to hold anything but a small bench role and are so bad that they are back and forth between the minors and the pros (if not releases or DFAd altogether). Teams are full of these guys. And spare me with the September callups or someone that just sits on the bench to fill a seat because of an injury.
Yes, color me unimpressed to have a majority of high first round draft picks that amount to nothing. And whats with the top ten number you keep throwing out? Is that some arbitrary number you select to make Sandy look good because he always picks just out of the top ten? Is there really a big difference between 8/9 picks and 11/12/13 picks?
I knew this was going to be a Bat Signal for you. You are the only person in the world that feels that Sandy has drafted well.
Again, what the hell are you talking about? If the average is a third of first-round picks even make it the majors and I'm saying every single first-round pick has made it so far INCLUDING comp picks/sandwich picks that reasonably could have made it so far (I get some are bench players) I feel that's pretty damn good. I dont care if you dont like them. Im simply stating something.
As for the players themselves, again, the only player that doesn't look like a solid everyday player or player primed for loads of playing time yet in the majors who was a reasonably high pick was Cecchini. Smith and Nimmo still have huge chances to. So again? WTF are you talking about? You are saying every high pick has been garbage. Who, other than Cecchini, do you even have a chance to say that about yet?
Its pretty clear that you're the one that never saw it considering you didn't read a single thing I was referring to.
Fulmer- all-star
Smith- currently viewed as the 1B of the future for now/will start in AAA.
Nimmo- 4th OF Sandy wouldn't use in any offseason trades expected to get a lot of playing time. wRC+ 117 last year
Plawecki-expected to split catching duties 50/50 this year wRC+ over 100 last year
Cecchini-starter in AAA-likely bust or bench player but he's getting at least one more chance
Reynolds- Bench guy... hopes to compete for 25th man on the Nats
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even in this draft but man the hype on Bobby Witt Jr. is pretty massive.
Dan I saw him play six times in high school and four times in college and probably 10 other times on TV ..
going to see him March 16 17 and 18 at Cal Berkeley I think he is very special.....He wills his team to win like Derek Jeter they went 56-6 last year without a bunch of high-end starters...Its so easy to say he is Jose Altuve part two we will see
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Thanks for the insight. I don't recall so much hype for a kid this far away since Harper. I realize Harper was an absolute freak of nature and a potential future HOFer but Witt jr isn't even a huge kid and all you hear is raves and comps to Jeter with tools and off-field stuff to match. This isn't the NBA but he seems like a "franchise changer"
It's really too early to even guess. So many games to be played.
Some writers say best LHP in the draft, but as I mentioned above he already had TJS. Does that hurt his value? These days I just don't know anymore, maybe it's a he got it out of the way early thing, but I tend to think at #6 I'd like a guy with a clean bill of health/history.
I'm actually a fan. I don't share the speed concerns of whomever mentioned it above. 20+ SB upside. He's 100% on my radar.
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Corey Oswalt seems like the one they're pushing, but at one point Molina was highly regarded (pre TJS?) with good stuff, but poor mechanics IIRC.
Corey Oswalt seems like the one they're pushing, but at one point Molina was highly regarded (pre TJS?) with good stuff, but poor mechanics IIRC.
Might be but his statline is deceiving. Stuff was majorly down from pre-TJ. Most had him 90-91 which with his "okay" secondaries isn't an MLB SP. He was always viewed as a likely RP but even then the velocity has to come back a bit to be all that interesting.
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His 2017 season was a mixed bag. Although he stayed healthy, his results and a diminished amount of strikeouts didnt please many scouts. Before his surgery, he was hyped up as a strikeout machine, but he only accumulated a 7.3 K/9 and 89 strikeouts in 2017. His velocity, previously sitting in the mid to high 90s, was down a few ticks as well.
Although Molina throws two above-average pitches, his future most likely lies in the bullpen. He shows the ability to repeat his mechanics well, however they betray him due to his lack of ability to generate any power from his lower half of his body. He improved them after his surgery, but probably not enough to fulfill his ceiling as a front-of-the-line starter.
Hes had a nice run as a starter for the past few years, but will most likely appear in the bullpen in the major leagues. Nevertheless, hes still on the Mets 40-man roster and will be one of the first pitchers the Mets call up when they need a spot starter this upcoming season. Molina has had a rough few years but looks forward to a healthy 2018 season."
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Talking to Jose Reyes today, doesn't seem OF is going to be a thing for him. Obviously plans can change, but seems they want him focused on his infield positions. Has been taking balls at 2B so far but has freedom to take balls at 3B, SS. 1B is not a consideration.
It's more about Reyes and his limited versatility as a bench player when he's basically "unplayable" at SS at this point. Not even knocking Reyes but there is little he adds (on paper) vs. Wilmer so ideally he could play other spots. Not a huge deal.
No. -15 DRS at SS over only 630 innings. That's "unplayable". 3B -5 over 279
But yeah he was AWFUL defensively last year.
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No. In fact, all three of them might miss out. A realistic pen as of today looks like...
Familia
Swarzak
Ramos
Blevins
Purke
Wheeler
Montero
Sewald and Robles are the next two on the outside looking in. One makes it if we use a 4 man bench. Both make it if we forego a second loogy like Purke.
I do think Bashlor makes some noise and could force his way at some point over the summer but he has some work to do. Mainly, prove that he really has cut down on the walks (SSS so far).
Does a Bautista make some noise if he's popping 101's on people and getting outs? Does a Drew Smith if he's pitching well in Vegas?
Im excited to watch how our pen is going to evolve in 2018. Its already very good IMO.
Obviously, performance and injury can dictate otherwise but it looks like the last two spots in the rotation are Harvey and Matz's to lose.
I think ultimately we are in store for some good things this year. This log jam was going to happen eventually when we got healthy. Maybe the health wont last but I have a hard time believing we will have a anything close to what we saw last year again. Im actually intrigued with watching Wheeler in the pen. He might just become a cost controlled closer/setup guy for two years... who knows?
2.) Lugo
3.) Flexen
4.) Oswalt
5.) Knapp
6.) Molina (to start.. possible transition to reliever later)
Thats kind of deep considering you also have to backup starters in the ML bullpen as well.
0% chance.
I do think Bashlor makes some noise and could force his way at some point over the summer but he has some work to do. Mainly, prove that he really has cut down on the walks (SSS so far).
Does a Bautista make some noise if he's popping 101's on people and getting outs? Does a Drew Smith if he's pitching well in Vegas?
Im excited to watch how our pen is going to evolve in 2018. Its already very good IMO.
Bautista walked 31 over 59.2 innings last year.. in low A.. and A ball. If he has a good half season in AA maybe he's on the radar but as of right now he's at best a 2019 option.
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The Astros Forrest Whitley, one of baseballs best pitching prospects, has been suspended 50 games without pay for a violation of the minor-league drug program.
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Adrian Gonzalez not being a great teammate and mentor for Dom so far in camp .. color me surprised.
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Adrian Gonzalez not being a great teammate and mentor for Dom so far in camp .. color me surprised.
NOT.
He oddly cited this...
Adrian Gonzalez is the boss of the infield -- there is no getting around it. Dominic Smith has been nowhere to be found on field around first base this week during infield drills.
Instead, Monday it was just Gonzalez and Tuesday it was Gonzalez and Wilmer Flores.
Smith handled first base, but both days it was with the minor league players invited to camp...
What's worse, whereas there had been a lot of talk about Gonzalez mentoring Smith, I've seen Gonzalez working more with Flores, as well as Amed Rosario.
In fact, Gonzalez is seemingly very tight with new bench coach Gary DiSarcina, who is running camp for the position players and, as a former shortstop and third baseman, being very hands on with the infield rotation.
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Adrian Gonzalez not being a great teammate and mentor for Dom so far in camp .. color me surprised.
NOT.
think it came from this metsblog post which seems more about the coaches having Dom in a seperate group from the regulars (which include Gonzalez).
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yea this seems much more of a Mets coaches issue than a Gonzalez issue. It's mostly positive about Gonzalez.
Let's not act like Ron Acuna Jr. of first basemen. He showed a little pop at the end of the year, but defensively he was atrocious and it came at the expense of making contact. Lucas Duda would have been an improvement.
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Callaway on Wheeler: Hes definitely a starting pitcher. For us to be the best possible team we can be, we have to have him be a starter and hes going to go out there and do everything he can to win this competition we have going on.
Sadly, based on history, the odds of Thor, DeGrom, Harvey, Matz, Vargas and wheeler all being healthy for any length of time is very small, so this situation probably sorts itself out.
Do you really think all 6 will be healthy?
I hope so, god knows the Mets (and their fans) could use a positive injury season, but history hasn't been kind lately.
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tough/near impossible to go 6 starters AND go with the pen Callaway seemingly wants to but 6 starters might be an option otherwise.
Do you really think all 6 will be healthy?
I hope so, god knows the Mets (and their fans) could use a positive injury season, but history hasn't been kind lately.
Do I "think" so? Probably not because the injury Gods hate every team I root for. But in theory ST is so short that somehow, someway everyone is healthy OD...
Yea literally the only benefit to signing Gonzalez over someone like Lucroy (or even Duda) is that he's cuttable if he sucks or Smith wins a job out of ST (or early in the season). If Gonzalez is clearly cooked hopefully they move on to Wilmer or Smith quickly. Or Bruce once Conforto is ready.
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Tyler Bashlor, Drew Smith and Gerson Bautista have impressed in camp so far, which I know will make some folks here very happy #alloftherelievers
I know, he or she linked a NY post or NYDN article I think, which is where I pasted the image from, just wanted to give the proper credit since I copied it from their tweet.
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be clear "goodfundies" is just a fan. Not knocking him at all however.
I know, he or she linked a NY post or NYDN article I think, which is where I pasted the image from, just wanted to give the proper credit since I copied it from their tweet.
Just to be clear I wasn't taking a shot at you or him. I've seen Bashlor and Bautista mentioned by all of the writers or most of them. I just meant he's a podcast host not someone whose own opinion would be that of a scout or (I doubt) talking to any scouts/Mets people. Smith is a weird one, stuff is above average, K-rate is disappointing.
Maybe twitter is considered public domain, but I like to make sure I properly credit who I copied and pasted a tweet from, almost never is anything like that my own opinion.
I don't watch these people and I don't have access to most major news outlets now that they all want you to subscribe or at least create an account which I refuse to do.
In any case, it's all good, I didn't think you were out of line, and I don't mind your credentializing them as a fan vs media.
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From @BenBadler on July 2nd catcher Francisco Alvarez (Mets are favorites), "Has a stout build, and while some scouts think he will need to improve his defense to stay behind the plate, he has one of the best track records of hitting and hitting for power in games in Venezuela."
Valdez, 15, is considered one of the top prospects in the 2018 July 2 international free agent class.
The Dominican right-handed hitting and throwing corner outfielder is a big kid. He is 63, 209 pounds and will turn 16-years old on December 6.
Here is what Badler has to say on Valdez
Hes a big, physical corner outfielder whose best tool is his raw power. Its a power-over-hit profile, with an aggressive swing and pull approach, which costs him balance at times. In games, he went 1-for-6 with a strikeout. Valdez is a below-average runner who needs to improve his mobility tracking down balls in the outfield. Valdez has a strong arm that fits in right field, but as a 15-year-old with his size, theres some risk he could go to first base. If he does, he would give his infielders a big target. He looked adept at scooping balls out of the dirt when he was there during infield.
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Man, he looks like he's gotten old in a hurry.
And he gave it up because his trainer told him to. Hysterical.
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Kyle Schwarber... WOW. Talk about best shape of your life.. not a Cubs fan but THAT guy is taking his career seriously. PROPS.
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Seems like a really good guy too. League is full of young stars (not that Schwarber is yet a star given his 2017) but I really don't understand how/why they do such a poor job promoting their players?
Not sure it's going to make him a better fielder, but it probably takes some pressure of his knees shedding all that weight.
I wonder if it impacts his power. Sure we've seen thin players with prodigious power like Strawberry and others, but part of me thinks Schwarber's power came from his bulk.
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Peter Alonso at first base in Dom Smith's place. Smith says he is fine physically. Says it was the manager's call.
Not sure it's going to make him a better fielder, but it probably takes some pressure of his knees shedding all that weight.
I wonder if it impacts his power. Sure we've seen thin players with prodigious power like Strawberry and others, but part of me thinks Schwarber's power came from his bulk.
Yea considering his power was his biggest plus, will definitely be an interesting case study. He almost looks as thin as Wright.
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Ive always enjoyed the Tim Tebow project, but refusing to be interviewed is not cool. Being a prospect in the major league clubhouse means talking with media. Everyone else does it. #Mets
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Dom Smith just was called into Callaways office, quick meeting and back
If it is due to being late, good move. Very casual spring so far all around, so sends right message. No clue if its true or not though.