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Take Quenton Nelson at 2 and never look back

Flem17454 : 2/19/2018 3:46 pm
Colts might take Nelson at 3, with LG Jack Mewhort hitting free agency

Don't even risk it by trading down

Prospects like Nelson come around once every 15 years.

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This guy reads like a bot  
Mike from SI : 2/19/2018 7:46 pm : link
hired by Eric to drive up responses and clicks. Don't give him the time of day.
Who is his NFL comp?  
figgy2989 : 2/19/2018 7:47 pm : link
Unsure if it’s been mentioned...
RE: RE: RE: This is clearly FirstballotELi  
Flem17454 : 2/19/2018 7:47 pm : link
In comment 13836530 twostepgiants said:
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Flem care to share your credentials as you clearly know more than the draft experts including Sy.



Sy knows more about Offensive Line play than Geoff Schwartz, a former OL who is basically an OL expert?



Yes he does. Players are not scouts. Theres a reason for that


Check the draft grades on NFL.com

Nelson = 7.4

Hernandez = 6.11
Wynn = 6.11

All the scouts agree: Nelson is the best OL in this draft by a wide margin.
RE: RE: RE: Cool story bro  
Flem17454 : 2/19/2018 7:48 pm : link
In comment 13836532 UConn4523 said:
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just keep punching those keys, fight the fight no one cares about. Awful poster.



Quenton Nelson:

- Best player in the draft

- Safest player in the draft

- Highest graded prospect EVER at his position

- Fills the #1 position of Need for the Giants

- Compared to Larry Allen, the greatest lineman of all time



Guard
Don’t care
Can pay for a Guard
Who cares


Chris Snee had little to do with the Giants 2 SB wins.

Who am I kidding?
What are your thoughts on John Jerry?  
figgy2989 : 2/19/2018 7:51 pm : link
,
I think there’s a Guard or 2  
UConn4523 : 2/19/2018 7:58 pm : link
on every Super-Bowl team, but I could be wrong.
Please tell me your thoughts on how Nelson’s game will translate to a  
figgy2989 : 2/19/2018 7:59 pm : link
WCO?
Larry Allen of the Cowboys was drafted where?.....  
GFAN52 : 2/19/2018 8:00 pm : link
In the second round of the draft. Goes to show you can find value for the OL outside of the top ten picks, let alone the 2nd pick.
Not only that but in his draft  
UConn4523 : 2/19/2018 8:02 pm : link
an OLineman wasn’t even taken in the top 10 and there first Guard chosen was in round 2.

And Scherff at 5 has worked wonders for the Redskins, way to cite that source, genius. Talk about a franchise I’d wish we would carbon copy.
RE: Please tell me your thoughts on how Nelson’s game will translate to a  
UConn4523 : 2/19/2018 8:03 pm : link
In comment 13836552 figgy2989 said:
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WCO?


He will be the best in any offense. His impact will be greater than the best LT, QB, WR and Running Back combined. There is nothing Nelson can’t do.
Isn’t this the tool bag who always said Jerry was the best  
figgy2989 : 2/19/2018 8:04 pm : link
WCO guard in the entire NFL?
Re: Larry Allen is the greatest lineman of all time 3 Super Bowl rings  
JohnF : 2/19/2018 8:09 pm : link
So, using that logic, Charles Haley (5 rings) is the greatest linebacker of all time.

LT only had two.



RE: Not only that but in his draft  
Flem17454 : 2/19/2018 8:13 pm : link
In comment 13836554 UConn4523 said:
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an OLineman wasn’t even taken in the top 10 and there first Guard chosen was in round 2.

And Scherff at 5 has worked wonders for the Redskins, way to cite that source, genius. Talk about a franchise I’d wish we would carbon copy.


Scherff has indeed worked wonders...Skins won the division in 2015, had an elite offense in 2016...Scherff has helped make a mediocre QB like Cousins look like a Pro Bowler

Which is why Scot McCloughan calls it his 1 or 2 best draft pick ever
I don’t know about you guys but I’ve changed my stance  
UConn4523 : 2/19/2018 8:13 pm : link
I am now worried Cleveland will take Nelson and instead, I think we should trade up to secure the best player in this draft. Too risky waiting until 2 and I don’t care what it costs.
RE: Re: Larry Allen is the greatest lineman of all time 3 Super Bowl rings  
Flem17454 : 2/19/2018 8:15 pm : link
In comment 13836558 JohnF said:
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So, using that logic, Charles Haley (5 rings) is the greatest linebacker of all time.

LT only had two.




That wasn't the point.

The point is, All-Pro guards have a tremendous impact on forming a winning foundation.

As soon as Chris Snee started declining...the Giants run game turned to shit.
Yet Scherff was drafted as a Tackle  
figgy2989 : 2/19/2018 8:17 pm : link
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RE: Not only that but in his draft  
Flem17454 : 2/19/2018 8:17 pm : link
In comment 13836554 UConn4523 said:
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an OLineman wasn’t even taken in the top 10 and there first Guard chosen was in round 2.

And Scherff at 5 has worked wonders for the Redskins, way to cite that source, genius. Talk about a franchise I’d wish we would carbon copy.


His draft was a long long time ago. Different era of football.

Either way - Gettleman and the Giants goal should/will be to build the best OL possible - and that starts now with Nelson.

Gettleman will make a loud statement with his 1st ever draft pick as Giants GM.

You are right  
UConn4523 : 2/19/2018 8:19 pm : link
and it better be trading up for Nelson #1 overall
RE: Yet Scherff was drafted as a Tackle  
Flem17454 : 2/19/2018 8:19 pm : link
In comment 13836563 figgy2989 said:
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Doesn't matter.

He's a Guard in the NFL.

Been playing Guard since Week 1 of his rookie year.

Nelson is better than Scherff anyways.
If you keep typing the same shot over and over again  
figgy2989 : 2/19/2018 8:20 pm : link
Does it make it any more true?


Mah...the meat loaf!
RE: Larry Allen of the Cowboys was drafted where?.....  
Flem17454 : 2/19/2018 8:22 pm : link
In comment 13836553 GFAN52 said:
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In the second round of the draft. Goes to show you can find value for the OL outside of the top ten picks, let alone the 2nd pick.



You can find anything anywhere.

Antonio Gates was a UDFA

Victor Cruz was a UDFA

James Harrison was a UDFA

Means nothing.

Nelson is a sure thing. He changes the culture and starts forming the winning foundation.
The guards later in the draft are not as good as Nelson.
RE: RE: Yet Scherff was drafted as a Tackle  
figgy2989 : 2/19/2018 8:22 pm : link
In comment 13836567 Flem17454 said:
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Doesn't matter.

He's a Guard in the NFL.

Been playing Guard since Week 1 of his rookie year.

Nelson is better than Scherff anyways.


Actually it does dunce...he lost out on the RT job in training camp and was moved to guard. The point being he was drafted as a TACKLE. The people on here are saying #2 for a Guard is unprecedented.
RE: If you keep typing the same shot over and over again  
Flem17454 : 2/19/2018 8:24 pm : link
In comment 13836568 figgy2989 said:
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Does it make it any more true?


Mah...the meat loaf!



Everything I have said in this thread is true. Everything.
RE: RE: RE: Yet Scherff was drafted as a Tackle  
Flem17454 : 2/19/2018 8:25 pm : link
In comment 13836570 figgy2989 said:
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Doesn't matter.

He's a Guard in the NFL.

Been playing Guard since Week 1 of his rookie year.

Nelson is better than Scherff anyways.



Actually it does dunce...he lost out on the RT job in training camp and was moved to guard. The point being he was drafted as a TACKLE. The people on here are saying #2 for a Guard is unprecedented.



Because Quenton Nelson is unprecedented.

And therefore worthy of the selection.
RE: RE: Not only that but in his draft  
GFAN52 : 2/19/2018 8:28 pm : link
In comment 13836564 Flem17454 said:
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an OLineman wasn’t even taken in the top 10 and there first Guard chosen was in round 2.

And Scherff at 5 has worked wonders for the Redskins, way to cite that source, genius. Talk about a franchise I’d wish we would carbon copy.



His draft was a long long time ago. Different era of football.

Either way - Gettleman and the Giants goal should/will be to build the best OL possible - and that starts now with Nelson.

Gettleman will make a loud statement with his 1st ever draft pick as Giants GM.


RE: RE: RE: Prospects like Nelson come along every 15 years?  
figgy2989 : 2/19/2018 8:29 pm : link
In comment 13836369 Flem17454 said:
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I didn't realize David DeCastro and Zach Martin were drafted 15 years ago.



I think the Skins drafted Brandon Scherff at #5 thinking he'd be an OT. He's pretty good at G. Wasted pick AT #5 though.



False.

Skins drafted Scherff with every intention of playing him at G.

Scot McGloughan calls Scherff his 1 or 2 best draft pick ever


So this is true? Please show me where the Skins has every intention of playing him at Guard. He was drafted to be the RT and lost the battle in training camp which is when he moved to Guard.

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arcarsenal : 2/19/2018 8:36 pm : link
Why are you guys entertaining this jackass?

He sounds just like the John Jerry troll. Probably the same guy - looking for a new guard to drool over.
Is nice to see that Nelson's agent  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 2/19/2018 9:43 pm : link
is posting on BBI
Highest grade for an interior OL ever????  
est1986 : 2/19/2018 10:10 pm : link
Says who? You? Even if he was... notice how you said “interior OL”... even if he was he still ain’t going 2nd overall, not in John Jerry’s wildest dreams does a fucking Guard go that high. If Nelson smoked some of that crack you are smoking he still wouldn’t get that high. No chance.
We will look back when Eli is 40 and wonder who the hell  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/19/2018 10:35 pm : link
is supposed to play quarterback that doesn't suck.
I feel like  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 2/19/2018 10:36 pm : link
we've met this Flem fella before..
'Take Quenton Nelson at 2 and never look back'...  
Torrag : 2/19/2018 10:45 pm : link
...that's an absolute waste of the rare draft capital the #2 pick affords us. If we don't want the QB trade down a few slots and take one of Nelson, Chubb, Fitzpatrick etc that are at the top of our board.
People just can't see past the letter "G" next to his name  
Flem17454 : 2/19/2018 11:30 pm : link
And that's a shame.

Giants have the 32nd ranked rushing attack since 2011.

How badly do you want to win?

When is this crap gonna stop?

You constantly contradict youreelf  
Jay on the Island : 2/20/2018 9:50 am : link
You used Chris Snee as an example of what we need. Snee a former early 2nd round pick in which both Wynn and Smith are comparable to Snee. With each post you continue to prove that you know nothing.
What happens in the likely event Eli is gone a year from now?  
JonC : 2/20/2018 9:53 am : link
Huge question to ask yourself before you burn a #2 overall pick on an OG, as dominant as he might prove to be in the NFL.
RE: People just can't see past the letter  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/20/2018 10:03 am : link
In comment 13836677 Flem17454 said:
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And that's a shame.

Giants have the 32nd ranked rushing attack since 2011.

How badly do you want to win?

When is this crap gonna stop?

I find myself asking this exact same question every time you post.
Guys  
UConn4523 : 2/20/2018 10:09 am : link
we can just get a QB later. We need to trade up for Nelson and solidify a Guard spot for the next decade. Priorities, people.
RE: Guys  
GFAN52 : 2/20/2018 10:11 am : link
In comment 13836903 UConn4523 said:
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we can just get a QB later. We need to trade up for Nelson and solidify a Guard spot for the next decade. Priorities, people.


Nelson is the greatest of ALLL-TIMMMEE....just kidding. Will he have a good career? Probably. Should we use the 2nd overall pick in the draft for him. NO.
RE: You constantly contradict youreelf  
Flem17454 : 2/20/2018 10:19 am : link
In comment 13836874 Jay on the Island said:
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You used Chris Snee as an example of what we need. Snee a former early 2nd round pick in which both Wynn and Smith are comparable to Snee. With each post you continue to prove that you know nothing.


Newsflash: Those guys aren't anywhere near Nelson

Here's an analogy:

If they were WR prospects, Nelson would be OBJ and Wynn would be Jarvis Landry.

Not equal prospects, not even close.
RE: What happens in the likely event Eli is gone a year from now?  
Flem17454 : 2/20/2018 10:21 am : link
In comment 13836879 JonC said:
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Huge question to ask yourself before you burn a #2 overall pick on an OG, as dominant as he might prove to be in the NFL.


Davis Webb is playing QB behind an OL that features 2 All-Pro Guards in Norwell and Nelson, with new upgraded Tackles.

That dominant OL props Webb up and allows him to succeed.

"Everything starts with the offensive line."

- Shurmur / Gettleman
RE: RE: Guys  
Flem17454 : 2/20/2018 10:22 am : link
In comment 13836910 GFAN52 said:
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we can just get a QB later. We need to trade up for Nelson and solidify a Guard spot for the next decade. Priorities, people.



Nelson is the greatest of ALLL-TIMMMEE....just kidding. Will he have a good career? Probably. Should we use the 2nd overall pick in the draft for him. NO.


He will have a HOF career.

Zach Martin will be in the HOF one day.

Nelson is Martin with more drive-power.
Davis Webb is a virtual unknown  
JonC : 2/20/2018 10:24 am : link
You're going to run with him and skip picking a blue chipper?

Makes sense.
RE: RE: RE: Guys  
GFAN52 : 2/20/2018 10:29 am : link
In comment 13836927 Flem17454 said:
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In comment 13836903 UConn4523 said:


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we can just get a QB later. We need to trade up for Nelson and solidify a Guard spot for the next decade. Priorities, people.



Nelson is the greatest of ALLL-TIMMMEE....just kidding. Will he have a good career? Probably. Should we use the 2nd overall pick in the draft for him. NO.



He will have a HOF career.

Zach Martin will be in the HOF one day.

Nelson is Martin with more drive-power.


Hey can you tell me if will I win the PowerBall being you know the future so well.
Might be an unpopular opinion...  
Tom in DC : 2/20/2018 10:41 am : link
but some positions just don't warrant top 5 picks. Guard and Safety are such positions.
Nelson isn't "just a Guard"  
Flem17454 : 2/20/2018 11:10 am : link
He's a guy who transforms your entire offensive line. He changes the culture. A culture change the Giants desperately need right now.

The last time Giants fans have seen strong Guard play was 2009 Chris Snee.

Jerry Reese devalued Guards, it's why he's out of a job.
RE: Nelson isn't  
Breeze_94 : 2/20/2018 4:40 pm : link
In comment 13836995 Flem17454 said:
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He's a guy who transforms your entire offensive line. He changes the culture. A culture change the Giants desperately need right now.

The last time Giants fans have seen strong Guard play was 2009 Chris Snee.

Jerry Reese devalued Guards, it's why he's out of a job.


There are a ton of guys at the top of the draft playing more premium postitions who are also "culture changers"
RE: RE: What happens in the likely event Eli is gone a year from now?  
Jay on the Island : 2/21/2018 12:16 pm : link
In comment 13836925 Flem17454 said:
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Huge question to ask yourself before you burn a #2 overall pick on an OG, as dominant as he might prove to be in the NFL.



Davis Webb is playing QB behind an OL that features 2 All-Pro Guards in Norwell and Nelson, with new upgraded Tackles.

That dominant OL props Webb up and allows him to succeed.

"Everything starts with the offensive line."

- Shurmur / Gettleman

Ah yes the good guard play will allow Webb to succeed which was evident last season when Deshone Kizer, a better prospect than Webb, succeeded with Bitonio and Zeitler and HOF LT Joe Thomas.

Why do the Giants need a guard anyway when they have John Jerry??
RE: Nelson isn't  
Jay on the Island : 2/21/2018 12:18 pm : link
In comment 13836995 Flem17454 said:
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He's a guy who transforms your entire offensive line. He changes the culture. A culture change the Giants desperately need right now.

The last time Giants fans have seen strong Guard play was 2009 Chris Snee.

Jerry Reese devalued Guards, it's why he's out of a job.

Then why hasn’t ND won a national championship during his tenure?
This guys reminds me of  
Mike in Philly : 2/21/2018 12:38 pm : link
the poster that was pounding the drum for Duke Johnson a few years ago.
RE: This guys reminds me of  
Jay on the Island : 2/21/2018 12:59 pm : link
In comment 13838102 Mike in Philly said:
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the poster that was pounding the drum for Duke Johnson a few years ago.

He’s the John Jerry troll with his new favorite guard.
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