The history of guards being drafted early is pretty bad. I am not talking about players currently playing guard. I am talking about players who were actually projected to play G and not OT.
I think Nelson is one of the top 3 positional players in this draft. My top 5 overall players being
1. Darnold
2. Barkley
3. Nelson
4. Chubb
5. Fitzpatrick
If Darnold is gone a trade back with selection of Nelson is good for me.
but along with his draft status would be his pricetag, which negates having a really good player on a rookie deal. I'd have to see what the final numbers would be but he'd get substantially more than the measly $2 million per year a guy like Zack Martin got on his rookie deal - likely 3-4x more per year. Might as sign the top rated Guard in FA and use the #2 pick on a premium position that costs significantly more.
He is good but he reminds me a lot of the two can’t miss guard prospects of 2013, Jonathan Cooper and Chance Warmack, both went top 10 and both were total busts. Now I don’t see him being a bust but... there is no way we draft this guy at number 2... zero chance... just stop already.
I think Sy'56 doesn't even have him as the #1 or #2 G in the draft.
Personally, I was high on him, but he and McGlinchey both disappointed me the last 2-3 ND games.
But if they feel he's their best value @#2(;-( ), then so be it.
which one of these guys does not belong? I'll forgive the Skins on #5 since he had a hell of a future until he died.
1 San Diego Chargers Eli Manning QB Mississippi
2 Oakland Raiders Robert Gallery T Iowa
3 Arizona Cardinals Larry Fitzgerald WR Pittsburgh
4 New York Giants Philip Rivers QB North Carolina State
5 Washington Redskins Sean Taylor FS Miami (Fla.)
which one of these guys does not belong? I'll forgive the Skins on #5 since he had a hell of a future until he died.
1 San Diego Chargers Eli Manning QB Mississippi
2 Oakland Raiders Robert Gallery T Iowa
3 Arizona Cardinals Larry Fitzgerald WR Pittsburgh
4 New York Giants Philip Rivers QB North Carolina State
5 Washington Redskins Sean Taylor FS Miami (Fla.)
Nelson isn't Gallery.
RE: If he was so special he would be playing Left Tackle. Â
He is good but he reminds me a lot of the two can’t miss guard prospects of 2013, Jonathan Cooper and Chance Warmack, both went top 10 and both were total busts. Now I don’t see him being a bust but... there is no way we draft this guy at number 2... zero chance... just stop already.
Gettleman is the GM.
Very high chance it's Nelson.
Nelson will be the best OL prospect Gettleman has ever scouted
At #2 we need an impact player. Our brass need to find that stud!
Nelson is literally the #1 "impact player" in the draft
Larry Allen reincarnated
Impact huh?
Power running game up the middle, including short yardage
Clean pocket up the middle
Giants are 32nd in Rushing since 2011.
The best run-blocker scouts have ever seen, doesn't have a profound impact?
great now all we need is a feature back and quarterback! If you think guard is an impact position then you clearly don't know what the hell you are talking about. Once again proving that you are the firstballotEli troll by referring to guard as an impact position.
I am just pointing out how stupid it is to take a guard with the #2 pick when you can get a guard in round 2 with pro bowl upside and an all-pro guard in free agency.
people are convincing themselves that every other prospect is bad because they really want the RB.
Is it not possible that Barkley is a great prospect AND there are some great QB prospects also? Why must we have tunnel vision and fixate on one player?
RE: RE: RE: Prospects like Nelson come along every 15 years? Â
I didn't realize David DeCastro and Zach Martin were drafted 15 years ago.
I think the Skins drafted Brandon Scherff at #5 thinking he'd be an OT. He's pretty good at G. Wasted pick AT #5 though.
False.
Skins drafted Scherff with every intention of playing him at G.
Scot McGloughan calls Scherff his 1 or 2 best draft pick ever
Not true. They wanted him to be RT but he didn’t play well there when they tried him there in the off season and in camp so they moved him to guard where they knew he would thrive. But you can bet your ass he would be a tackle if he could be one. Luckily for them, Morgan Moses has developed nicely and Trent Williams is still kicking, so now Scherff can dominate at guard.
It's mind boggling to me that anyone would want a guard at #2 overall in a draft rich in qbs for a team with a 37 year old QB who is almost never in this position. Just makes no sense at all.
"Clean pocket up the middle" was used non stop by the poster who wanted to have John Jerry's baby on BBWC
Gidi confirmed that FirstballotEli is the John Jerry Troll. First ballot Eli also referred to guard as a "premier position" You would think that with all the handles this guy has had he would be better at disguising himself but he is clearly too dense to do so.
"Clean pocket up the middle" was used non stop by the poster who wanted to have John Jerry's baby on BBWC
Gidi confirmed that FirstballotEli is the John Jerry Troll. First ballot Eli also referred to guard as a "premier position" You would think that with all the handles this guy has had he would be better at disguising himself but he is clearly too dense to do so.
There is also a similar port on BBWC from the same guy stating to take Nelson cause he is worried about Indy at 3.
From all the John Jerry crap to this??? Dude needs a life...
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I could see it at 8-10 range. Â
"Clean pocket up the middle" was used non stop by the poster who wanted to have John Jerry's baby on BBWC
Gidi confirmed that FirstballotEli is the John Jerry Troll. First ballot Eli also referred to guard as a "premier position" You would think that with all the handles this guy has had he would be better at disguising himself but he is clearly too dense to do so.
There is also a similar port on BBWC from the same guy stating to take Nelson cause he is worried about Indy at 3.
From all the John Jerry crap to this??? Dude needs a life...
Flem, calm down. The greatest guard of all time? Josh Rosen may be the greatest QB of all time! Which would you rather have -- the greatest guard or the greatest QB?
John Hannah was/is the greatest guard of all time. never went to a Super Bowl. Tom Brady, Joe Montana, Joh Elway all considered among the greatest QBs of all time -- lots of Super Bowls.
I am just pointing out how stupid it is to take a guard with the #2 pick when you can get a guard in round 2 with pro bowl upside and an all-pro guard in free agency.
Not stupid at all.
Nelson is significantly better than any Round 2 Guard.
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Flem, calm down. The greatest guard of all time? Josh Rosen may be the greatest QB of all time! Which would you rather have -- the greatest guard or the greatest QB?
John Hannah was/is the greatest guard of all time. never went to a Super Bowl. Tom Brady, Joe Montana, Joh Elway all considered among the greatest QBs of all time -- lots of Super Bowls.
and I wouldnt take the best Guard in the NFL at #2 overall, not sure what about that you don’t understand. I don’t think he sucks, I’m not taking any Guard at 2 no matter what.
So have fun regurgitating the same old shit. You suck and this thread sucks.
and I wouldnt take the best Guard in the NFL at #2 overall, not sure what about that you don’t understand. I don’t think he sucks, I’m not taking any Guard at 2 no matter what.
So have fun regurgitating the same old shit. You suck and this thread sucks.
Larry Allen would go #1 or #2 overall in a re-draft
and I wouldnt take the best Guard in the NFL at #2 overall, not sure what about that you don’t understand. I don’t think he sucks, I’m not taking any Guard at 2 no matter what.
So have fun regurgitating the same old shit. You suck and this thread sucks.
If Brandon Scherff can go 5th overall, Quenton Nelson can go 2nd overall.
an OLineman wasn’t even taken in the top 10 and there first Guard chosen was in round 2.
And Scherff at 5 has worked wonders for the Redskins, way to cite that source, genius. Talk about a franchise I’d wish we would carbon copy.
Scherff has indeed worked wonders...Skins won the division in 2015, had an elite offense in 2016...Scherff has helped make a mediocre QB like Cousins look like a Pro Bowler
Which is why Scot McCloughan calls it his 1 or 2 best draft pick ever
I don’t know about you guys but I’ve changed my stance Â
I am now worried Cleveland will take Nelson and instead, I think we should trade up to secure the best player in this draft. Too risky waiting until 2 and I don’t care what it costs.
RE: Re: Larry Allen is the greatest lineman of all time 3 Super Bowl rings Â
Been playing Guard since Week 1 of his rookie year.
Nelson is better than Scherff anyways.
Actually it does dunce...he lost out on the RT job in training camp and was moved to guard. The point being he was drafted as a TACKLE. The people on here are saying #2 for a Guard is unprecedented.
RE: If you keep typing the same shot over and over again Â
Been playing Guard since Week 1 of his rookie year.
Nelson is better than Scherff anyways.
Actually it does dunce...he lost out on the RT job in training camp and was moved to guard. The point being he was drafted as a TACKLE. The people on here are saying #2 for a Guard is unprecedented.
I didn't realize David DeCastro and Zach Martin were drafted 15 years ago.
I think the Skins drafted Brandon Scherff at #5 thinking he'd be an OT. He's pretty good at G. Wasted pick AT #5 though.
False.
Skins drafted Scherff with every intention of playing him at G.
Scot McGloughan calls Scherff his 1 or 2 best draft pick ever
So this is true? Please show me where the Skins has every intention of playing him at Guard. He was drafted to be the RT and lost the battle in training camp which is when he moved to Guard.
Says who? You? Even if he was... notice how you said “interior OL”... even if he was he still ain’t going 2nd overall, not in John Jerry’s wildest dreams does a fucking Guard go that high. If Nelson smoked some of that crack you are smoking he still wouldn’t get that high. No chance.
We will look back when Eli is 40 and wonder who the hell Â
...that's an absolute waste of the rare draft capital the #2 pick affords us. If we don't want the QB trade down a few slots and take one of Nelson, Chubb, Fitzpatrick etc that are at the top of our board.
People just can't see past the letter "G" next to his name Â
You used Chris Snee as an example of what we need. Snee a former early 2nd round pick in which both Wynn and Smith are comparable to Snee. With each post you continue to prove that you know nothing.
What happens in the likely event Eli is gone a year from now? Â
we can just get a QB later. We need to trade up for Nelson and solidify a Guard spot for the next decade. Priorities, people.
Nelson is the greatest of ALLL-TIMMMEE....just kidding. Will he have a good career? Probably. Should we use the 2nd overall pick in the draft for him. NO.
You used Chris Snee as an example of what we need. Snee a former early 2nd round pick in which both Wynn and Smith are comparable to Snee. With each post you continue to prove that you know nothing.
Newsflash: Those guys aren't anywhere near Nelson
Here's an analogy:
If they were WR prospects, Nelson would be OBJ and Wynn would be Jarvis Landry.
Not equal prospects, not even close.
RE: What happens in the likely event Eli is gone a year from now? Â
we can just get a QB later. We need to trade up for Nelson and solidify a Guard spot for the next decade. Priorities, people.
Nelson is the greatest of ALLL-TIMMMEE....just kidding. Will he have a good career? Probably. Should we use the 2nd overall pick in the draft for him. NO.
we can just get a QB later. We need to trade up for Nelson and solidify a Guard spot for the next decade. Priorities, people.
Nelson is the greatest of ALLL-TIMMMEE....just kidding. Will he have a good career? Probably. Should we use the 2nd overall pick in the draft for him. NO.
He will have a HOF career.
Zach Martin will be in the HOF one day.
Nelson is Martin with more drive-power.
Hey can you tell me if will I win the PowerBall being you know the future so well.
Huge question to ask yourself before you burn a #2 overall pick on an OG, as dominant as he might prove to be in the NFL.
Davis Webb is playing QB behind an OL that features 2 All-Pro Guards in Norwell and Nelson, with new upgraded Tackles.
That dominant OL props Webb up and allows him to succeed.
"Everything starts with the offensive line."
- Shurmur / Gettleman
Ah yes the good guard play will allow Webb to succeed which was evident last season when Deshone Kizer, a better prospect than Webb, succeeded with Bitonio and Zeitler and HOF LT Joe Thomas.
Why do the Giants need a guard anyway when they have John Jerry??
Offseason awesomeness.
Offseason awesomeness.
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a February 2018 poster who replaced the last fuckstick who littered the board with pleas to draft Nelson.
Offseason awesomeness.
Why are you always such a jerk?
He isn't being a jerk. This is the John Jerry troll with his 20th handle the last being FirstballotEli.
Good job, Jay. Outed him the first time he posted something stupid.
I think the Skins drafted Brandon Scherff at #5 thinking he'd be an OT. He's pretty good at G. Wasted pick AT #5 though.
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I didn't realize David DeCastro and Zach Martin were drafted 15 years ago.
I think the Skins drafted Brandon Scherff at #5 thinking he'd be an OT. He's pretty good at G. Wasted pick AT #5 though.
IIRC they drafted him to keep him at G. They already had Trent Williams entrenched at LT and I believe they liked their RT as well.
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a February 2018 poster who replaced the last fuckstick who littered the board with pleas to draft Nelson.
Offseason awesomeness.
Why are you always such a jerk?
Sometimes, it is necessary....
1. He would start
2. He would fill a huge need
I think Nelson is one of the top 3 positional players in this draft. My top 5 overall players being
1. Darnold
2. Barkley
3. Nelson
4. Chubb
5. Fitzpatrick
If Darnold is gone a trade back with selection of Nelson is good for me.
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Those guys are not even close to Nelson.
Not even close.
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Neither of those guys were compared to Larry Allen.
Are you dense?
Nelson will be a 12x All-Pro.
He has the talent to be the #1 Guard in all of football.
Maybe of all time.
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I didn't realize David DeCastro and Zach Martin were drafted 15 years ago.
I think the Skins drafted Brandon Scherff at #5 thinking he'd be an OT. He's pretty good at G. Wasted pick AT #5 though.
False.
Skins drafted Scherff with every intention of playing him at G.
Scot McGloughan calls Scherff his 1 or 2 best draft pick ever
Personally, I was high on him, but he and McGlinchey both disappointed me the last 2-3 ND games.
But if they feel he's their best value @#2(;-( ), then so be it.
1 San Diego Chargers Eli Manning QB Mississippi
2 Oakland Raiders Robert Gallery T Iowa
3 Arizona Cardinals Larry Fitzgerald WR Pittsburgh
4 New York Giants Philip Rivers QB North Carolina State
5 Washington Redskins Sean Taylor FS Miami (Fla.)
Nelson isn't Mandarich
1 San Diego Chargers Eli Manning QB Mississippi
2 Oakland Raiders Robert Gallery T Iowa
3 Arizona Cardinals Larry Fitzgerald WR Pittsburgh
4 New York Giants Philip Rivers QB North Carolina State
5 Washington Redskins Sean Taylor FS Miami (Fla.)
Nelson isn't Gallery.
Gettleman is the GM.
Very high chance it's Nelson.
Nelson will be the best OL prospect Gettleman has ever scouted
Gettleman is obsessed with OL play
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taking him with the 2nd overall pick is a huge mistake especially when you can get an outstanding guard like Wynn, Smith, or Hernandez in round 2.
Those guys are not even close to Nelson.
Not even close. Link - ( New Window )
Says who? you?
NFL Comparison: Larry Allen
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Nelson is literally the #1 "impact player" in the draft
Larry Allen reincarnated
Impact huh?
Power running game up the middle, including short yardage
Clean pocket up the middle
Giants are 32nd in Rushing since 2011.
The best run-blocker scouts have ever seen, doesn't have a profound impact?
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taking him with the 2nd overall pick is a huge mistake especially when you can get an outstanding guard like Wynn, Smith, or Hernandez in round 2.
Those guys are not even close to Nelson.
Not even close. Link - ( New Window )
Says who? you?
Says the draft grades.
Draft Grade:
Nelson = 7.4
Wynn = 6.11
Hernandez = 6.11
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At #2 we need an impact player. Our brass need to find that stud!
Nelson is literally the #1 "impact player" in the draft
Larry Allen reincarnated
Impact huh?
Power running game up the middle, including short yardage
Clean pocket up the middle
Giants are 32nd in Rushing since 2011.
The best run-blocker scouts have ever seen, doesn't have a profound impact?
great now all we need is a feature back and quarterback! If you think guard is an impact position then you clearly don't know what the hell you are talking about. Once again proving that you are the firstballotEli troll by referring to guard as an impact position.
Sy knows more about Offensive Line play than Geoff Schwartz, a former OL who is basically an OL expert?
The best run-blocker scouts have ever seen, doesn't have a profound impact?
Where do you come up with this shit?
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Flem care to share your credentials as you clearly know more than the draft experts including Sy.
Sy knows more about Offensive Line play than Geoff Schwartz, a former OL who is basically an OL expert?
You don't understand value.
Using the 2nd overall pick on:
Sam Bradford (Josh Rosen)
Jake Locker (Josh Allen)
Over
Larry Allen (Q Nelson)
...would be the real mistake.
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when the Giants could take their next franchise QB is colossal mistake.
Using the 2nd overall pick on:
Sam Bradford (Josh Rosen)
Jake Locker (Josh Allen)
Over
Larry Allen (Q Nelson)
...would be the real mistake.
Interesting as neither are Darnold or Rosen. Locker was the 6th overall pick. Bradford was done in by his injuries.
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when the Giants could take their next franchise QB is colossal mistake.
Using the 2nd overall pick on:
Sam Bradford (Josh Rosen)
Jake Locker (Josh Allen)
Over
Larry Allen (Q Nelson)
Larry Allen over Carson Wentz or Matt Ryan is a colossal mistake. See I can find examples too!
...would be the real mistake.
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The best run-blocker scouts have ever seen, doesn't have a profound impact?
Where do you come up with this shit?
Scroll down
"He's one of the best run-blockers I've ever evaluated..."
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Scroll down
"He's one of the best run-blockers I've ever evaluated..."
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So one draft guru says that he is "one of the best." That's a far cry from "The best run-blocker scouts have ever seen"
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In comment 13836406 Jay on the Island said:
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when the Giants could take their next franchise QB is colossal mistake.
Using the 2nd overall pick on:
Sam Bradford (Josh Rosen)
Jake Locker (Josh Allen)
Over
Larry Allen (Q Nelson)
...would be the real mistake.
Interesting as neither are Darnold or Rosen. Locker was the 6th overall pick. Bradford was done in by his injuries.
Re-read it.
Rosen = Bradford. Injuries will do in Rosen like they did Bradford. Rosen is frail.
Allen will bust like Locker. Same QB.
Is it not possible that Barkley is a great prospect AND there are some great QB prospects also? Why must we have tunnel vision and fixate on one player?
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In comment 13836285 Jay on the Island said:
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I didn't realize David DeCastro and Zach Martin were drafted 15 years ago.
I think the Skins drafted Brandon Scherff at #5 thinking he'd be an OT. He's pretty good at G. Wasted pick AT #5 though.
False.
Skins drafted Scherff with every intention of playing him at G.
Scot McGloughan calls Scherff his 1 or 2 best draft pick ever
Not true. They wanted him to be RT but he didn’t play well there when they tried him there in the off season and in camp so they moved him to guard where they knew he would thrive. But you can bet your ass he would be a tackle if he could be one. Luckily for them, Morgan Moses has developed nicely and Trent Williams is still kicking, so now Scherff can dominate at guard.
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and what a Guard would make at #2 overall, you aren't even getting much of an investment savings vs. paying for a seasoned Guard in FA.
Are you dense?
Nelson will be a 12x All-Pro.
He has the talent to be the #1 Guard in all of football.
Maybe of all time.
This will end quickly.
Bye!
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At #2 we need an impact player. Our brass need to find that stud!
Nelson is literally the #1 "impact player" in the draft
Larry Allen reincarnated
Impact huh?
Power running game up the middle, including short yardage
Clean pocket up the middle
Giants are 32nd in Rushing since 2011.
The best run-blocker scouts have ever seen, doesn't have a profound impact?
"Clean pocket up the middle" was used non stop by the poster who wanted to have John Jerry's baby on BBWC
"Clean pocket up the middle" was used non stop by the poster who wanted to have John Jerry's baby on BBWC
Gidi confirmed that FirstballotEli is the John Jerry Troll. First ballot Eli also referred to guard as a "premier position" You would think that with all the handles this guy has had he would be better at disguising himself but he is clearly too dense to do so.
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"Clean pocket up the middle" was used non stop by the poster who wanted to have John Jerry's baby on BBWC
Gidi confirmed that FirstballotEli is the John Jerry Troll. First ballot Eli also referred to guard as a "premier position" You would think that with all the handles this guy has had he would be better at disguising himself but he is clearly too dense to do so.
There is also a similar port on BBWC from the same guy stating to take Nelson cause he is worried about Indy at 3.
From all the John Jerry crap to this??? Dude needs a life...
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In comment 13836439 OBJRoyal said:
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"Clean pocket up the middle" was used non stop by the poster who wanted to have John Jerry's baby on BBWC
Gidi confirmed that FirstballotEli is the John Jerry Troll. First ballot Eli also referred to guard as a "premier position" You would think that with all the handles this guy has had he would be better at disguising himself but he is clearly too dense to do so.
There is also a similar port on BBWC from the same guy stating to take Nelson cause he is worried about Indy at 3.
From all the John Jerry crap to this??? Dude needs a life...
Meant to say similar post
John Hannah was/is the greatest guard of all time. never went to a Super Bowl. Tom Brady, Joe Montana, Joh Elway all considered among the greatest QBs of all time -- lots of Super Bowls.
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and what a Guard would make at #2 overall, you aren't even getting much of an investment savings vs. paying for a seasoned Guard in FA.
Are you dense?
Nelson will be a 12x All-Pro.
He has the talent to be the #1 Guard in all of football.
Maybe of all time.
What makes u think I care about Sy's board?
He is literally the only person on Earth who feels that way.
Jerry?
What are u talking about?
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and what a Guard would make at #2 overall, you aren't even getting much of an investment savings vs. paying for a seasoned Guard in FA.
Are you dense?
Nelson will be a 12x All-Pro.
He has the talent to be the #1 Guard in all of football.
Maybe of all time.
Larry Allen is the greatest lineman of all time.
Nelson's comparison?
Larry Allen.
Not stupid at all.
Nelson is significantly better than any Round 2 Guard.
Hernandez is going Round 1.
John Hannah was/is the greatest guard of all time. never went to a Super Bowl. Tom Brady, Joe Montana, Joh Elway all considered among the greatest QBs of all time -- lots of Super Bowls.
Larry Allen is the greatest lineman of all time.
3 Super Bowl rings.
Geoff Schwartz says Nelson is worth the cost/slot/value.
His evaluation on Nelson's play after lots of tape study > yours
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He is the highest graded interior OL prospect in NFL history.
Literally. That is not hyperbole.
So have fun regurgitating the same old shit. You suck and this thread sucks.
So have fun regurgitating the same old shit. You suck and this thread sucks.
Larry Allen would go #1 or #2 overall in a re-draft
Don't worry, the REAL GM (Gettleman) will make Nelson the pick.
So have fun regurgitating the same old shit. You suck and this thread sucks.
If Brandon Scherff can go 5th overall, Quenton Nelson can go 2nd overall.
Scherff is Nelson's FLOOR. Nelson is much better.
Nelson is a Pro-Bowler in Year 1.
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cool, did he win those SBs throwing and running and tackling all by himself?
Doubtful.
Don't worry, the REAL GM (Gettleman) will make Nelson the pick.
Today's NFL has increased the value of Guards.
Osemele contract.
Zeitler contract.
Norwell will command $12-13 million per year.
Zach Martin will command $13-14 million per year.
Top Guards make much more than top Right Tackles and top Centers. Much much more.
You are doing a horrendous job making your case.
Quenton Nelson:
- Best player in the draft
- Safest player in the draft
- Highest graded prospect EVER at his position
- Fills the #1 position of Need for the Giants
- Compared to Larry Allen, the greatest lineman of all time
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Flem care to share your credentials as you clearly know more than the draft experts including Sy.
Sy knows more about Offensive Line play than Geoff Schwartz, a former OL who is basically an OL expert?
Yes he does. Players are not scouts. Theres a reason for that
You are doing a horrendous job making your case.
QB wouldn't play his 1st year.
Eli is starting in 2018.
You're paying a #2 pick to sit on the bench.
Can always get a QB in 2019.
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just keep punching those keys, fight the fight no one cares about. Awful poster.
Quenton Nelson:
- Best player in the draft
- Safest player in the draft
- Highest graded prospect EVER at his position
- Fills the #1 position of Need for the Giants
- Compared to Larry Allen, the greatest lineman of all time
Guard
Don’t care
Can pay for a Guard
Who cares
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In comment 13836403 Jay on the Island said:
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Flem care to share your credentials as you clearly know more than the draft experts including Sy.
Sy knows more about Offensive Line play than Geoff Schwartz, a former OL who is basically an OL expert?
Yes he does. Players are not scouts. Theres a reason for that
Every scout besides Sy has Nelson rated the #1 Guard by a large margin.
You just did a horrible job of making a point in ur favor.
Best player in the draft.
Safest player in the draft.
Highest graded prospect ever at his position.
Fills the Giants #1 position of Need.
NFL comp is Larry Allen.
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In comment 13836403 Jay on the Island said:
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Flem care to share your credentials as you clearly know more than the draft experts including Sy.
Sy knows more about Offensive Line play than Geoff Schwartz, a former OL who is basically an OL expert?
Yes he does. Players are not scouts. Theres a reason for that
Check the draft grades on NFL.com
Nelson = 7.4
Hernandez = 6.11
Wynn = 6.11
All the scouts agree: Nelson is the best OL in this draft by a wide margin.
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just keep punching those keys, fight the fight no one cares about. Awful poster.
Quenton Nelson:
- Best player in the draft
- Safest player in the draft
- Highest graded prospect EVER at his position
- Fills the #1 position of Need for the Giants
- Compared to Larry Allen, the greatest lineman of all time
Guard
Don’t care
Can pay for a Guard
Who cares
Chris Snee had little to do with the Giants 2 SB wins.
Who am I kidding?
And Scherff at 5 has worked wonders for the Redskins, way to cite that source, genius. Talk about a franchise I’d wish we would carbon copy.
He will be the best in any offense. His impact will be greater than the best LT, QB, WR and Running Back combined. There is nothing Nelson can’t do.
LT only had two.
And Scherff at 5 has worked wonders for the Redskins, way to cite that source, genius. Talk about a franchise I’d wish we would carbon copy.
Scherff has indeed worked wonders...Skins won the division in 2015, had an elite offense in 2016...Scherff has helped make a mediocre QB like Cousins look like a Pro Bowler
Which is why Scot McCloughan calls it his 1 or 2 best draft pick ever
LT only had two.
That wasn't the point.
The point is, All-Pro guards have a tremendous impact on forming a winning foundation.
As soon as Chris Snee started declining...the Giants run game turned to shit.
And Scherff at 5 has worked wonders for the Redskins, way to cite that source, genius. Talk about a franchise I’d wish we would carbon copy.
His draft was a long long time ago. Different era of football.
Either way - Gettleman and the Giants goal should/will be to build the best OL possible - and that starts now with Nelson.
Gettleman will make a loud statement with his 1st ever draft pick as Giants GM.
Doesn't matter.
He's a Guard in the NFL.
Been playing Guard since Week 1 of his rookie year.
Nelson is better than Scherff anyways.
Mah...the meat loaf!
You can find anything anywhere.
Antonio Gates was a UDFA
Victor Cruz was a UDFA
James Harrison was a UDFA
Means nothing.
Nelson is a sure thing. He changes the culture and starts forming the winning foundation.
The guards later in the draft are not as good as Nelson.
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Doesn't matter.
He's a Guard in the NFL.
Been playing Guard since Week 1 of his rookie year.
Nelson is better than Scherff anyways.
Actually it does dunce...he lost out on the RT job in training camp and was moved to guard. The point being he was drafted as a TACKLE. The people on here are saying #2 for a Guard is unprecedented.
Mah...the meat loaf!
Everything I have said in this thread is true. Everything.
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Doesn't matter.
He's a Guard in the NFL.
Been playing Guard since Week 1 of his rookie year.
Nelson is better than Scherff anyways.
Actually it does dunce...he lost out on the RT job in training camp and was moved to guard. The point being he was drafted as a TACKLE. The people on here are saying #2 for a Guard is unprecedented.
Because Quenton Nelson is unprecedented.
And therefore worthy of the selection.
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an OLineman wasn’t even taken in the top 10 and there first Guard chosen was in round 2.
And Scherff at 5 has worked wonders for the Redskins, way to cite that source, genius. Talk about a franchise I’d wish we would carbon copy.
His draft was a long long time ago. Different era of football.
Either way - Gettleman and the Giants goal should/will be to build the best OL possible - and that starts now with Nelson.
Gettleman will make a loud statement with his 1st ever draft pick as Giants GM.
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I didn't realize David DeCastro and Zach Martin were drafted 15 years ago.
I think the Skins drafted Brandon Scherff at #5 thinking he'd be an OT. He's pretty good at G. Wasted pick AT #5 though.
False.
Skins drafted Scherff with every intention of playing him at G.
Scot McGloughan calls Scherff his 1 or 2 best draft pick ever
So this is true? Please show me where the Skins has every intention of playing him at Guard. He was drafted to be the RT and lost the battle in training camp which is when he moved to Guard.
He sounds just like the John Jerry troll. Probably the same guy - looking for a new guard to drool over.
Giants have the 32nd ranked rushing attack since 2011.
How badly do you want to win?
When is this crap gonna stop?
Giants have the 32nd ranked rushing attack since 2011.
How badly do you want to win?
When is this crap gonna stop?
I find myself asking this exact same question every time you post.
Nelson is the greatest of ALLL-TIMMMEE....just kidding. Will he have a good career? Probably. Should we use the 2nd overall pick in the draft for him. NO.
Newsflash: Those guys aren't anywhere near Nelson
Here's an analogy:
If they were WR prospects, Nelson would be OBJ and Wynn would be Jarvis Landry.
Not equal prospects, not even close.
Davis Webb is playing QB behind an OL that features 2 All-Pro Guards in Norwell and Nelson, with new upgraded Tackles.
That dominant OL props Webb up and allows him to succeed.
"Everything starts with the offensive line."
- Shurmur / Gettleman
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we can just get a QB later. We need to trade up for Nelson and solidify a Guard spot for the next decade. Priorities, people.
Nelson is the greatest of ALLL-TIMMMEE....just kidding. Will he have a good career? Probably. Should we use the 2nd overall pick in the draft for him. NO.
He will have a HOF career.
Zach Martin will be in the HOF one day.
Nelson is Martin with more drive-power.
Makes sense.
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we can just get a QB later. We need to trade up for Nelson and solidify a Guard spot for the next decade. Priorities, people.
Nelson is the greatest of ALLL-TIMMMEE....just kidding. Will he have a good career? Probably. Should we use the 2nd overall pick in the draft for him. NO.
He will have a HOF career.
Zach Martin will be in the HOF one day.
Nelson is Martin with more drive-power.
Hey can you tell me if will I win the PowerBall being you know the future so well.
The last time Giants fans have seen strong Guard play was 2009 Chris Snee.
Jerry Reese devalued Guards, it's why he's out of a job.
The last time Giants fans have seen strong Guard play was 2009 Chris Snee.
Jerry Reese devalued Guards, it's why he's out of a job.
There are a ton of guys at the top of the draft playing more premium postitions who are also "culture changers"
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Huge question to ask yourself before you burn a #2 overall pick on an OG, as dominant as he might prove to be in the NFL.
Davis Webb is playing QB behind an OL that features 2 All-Pro Guards in Norwell and Nelson, with new upgraded Tackles.
That dominant OL props Webb up and allows him to succeed.
"Everything starts with the offensive line."
- Shurmur / Gettleman
Ah yes the good guard play will allow Webb to succeed which was evident last season when Deshone Kizer, a better prospect than Webb, succeeded with Bitonio and Zeitler and HOF LT Joe Thomas.
Why do the Giants need a guard anyway when they have John Jerry??
The last time Giants fans have seen strong Guard play was 2009 Chris Snee.
Jerry Reese devalued Guards, it's why he's out of a job.
Then why hasn’t ND won a national championship during his tenure?
He’s the John Jerry troll with his new favorite guard.