And considering the skill players he had in those situations relative to ours I'm not sure I can be disappointed at 2.
Seeing what Shurmur did with Foles and Keenum.. I think that level of play is reasonable as far as what you can expect out of Davis Webb. I think Webb is more talented than both and they should be his floor, potential wise.
re-watched some of Webb's college highlights and the few snaps he got in pre-season. He looked pretty good to me. Not great and not crappy. He should be improved after working on his game for a year.
His final season at Cal, he had a 61.6 completion %, 37 TDs to 12 INTs. His passer efficiency rating was a healthy 135.6.
If the Giants do not pick a QB at #2, they could do a lot worse than having Webb.
He is a solid candidate to be a solid NFL QB, but look at his college film again. He struggles with the long ball. He throws a rainbow deep ball, and he is not very accurate on those deep passes. I am hoping for Rosen or Darnold.
to expect that Webb could play like a six-year NFL veteran.
Were you just in a bad mood last night or are you always this negative?
There's no reason its not *reasonable*. There are rookie and second year QB's playing as well or better than Keenum and Foles. Will it happen? Who knows. But its not unreasonable.
will have no effect on the #2 pick. He's from a prior regime, and nobody knows what he can or can't do in the NFL. He's a complete unknown. If the Giants don't take a QB at #2 it won't be because they've decided that Webb will succeed Eli. It will be because they decide that no QB is worth the #2 pick. I tend to agree with that latter assessment. Maybe Darnold, but I'm not nearly as enthralled by him as almost everyone else.
to expect that Webb could play like a six-year NFL veteran.
Were you just in a bad mood last night or are you always this negative?
There's no reason its not *reasonable*. There are rookie and second year QB's playing as well or better than Keenum and Foles. Will it happen? Who knows. But its not unreasonable.
Sure there's a reason it's not reasonable. Case Keenum and Davis Webb are coming from two wildly different levels of experience. How are you even trying to argue this? Davis Webb has barely a fraction of a percent of a season worth of functioning in an offense at the NFL level. When he actually does get any real practice time he will be doing things he's never been asked to do before. Like running an offense from under center as opposed to shotgun.
Few wks ago I asked what avenues DG and PS would have to evaluate Webb.
Another piece to the puzzle..
Implying that Webb wont be considered because hes part of a previous regime seems silly .. the same could be said about any other player on the roster. It would be beyond short sighted not to consider players already on the roster - regardless of the position ... an asset ( whether Webb is one or not is TBD) is an asset ...
30 throws on that video, and every one was right on the money
I watched about 5 minutes. Every throw is on the money because he has very consistent footwork in his drop and his throwing mechanics are also consistent There is no pass rush, but I don't see how anyone could throw the ball any better or with greater consistency than Webb shows in this video.
30 throws on that video, and every one was right on the money
I watched about 5 minutes. Every throw is on the money because he has very consistent footwork in his drop and his throwing mechanics are also consistent There is no pass rush, but I don't see how anyone could throw the ball any better or with greater consistency than Webb shows in this video.
Lol the clip in the link is looped.. I seriously hope you're watching a different video.
He wants it, he wants it bad. I thinks he wants it Brady and Brees bad. The chip on their shoulders is LARGE. Webb is also a grinder. Match grinder and an almost pathological desire to be great and you have the makings necessary. He has to put it all together. I like grinders.
I am not saying Webb is Brees or Brady. Who is? I think there is a chance Webb could be great.
to expect that Webb could play like a six-year NFL veteran.
Were you just in a bad mood last night or are you always this negative?
There's no reason its not *reasonable*. There are rookie and second year QB's playing as well or better than Keenum and Foles. Will it happen? Who knows. But its not unreasonable.
Sure there's a reason it's not reasonable. Case Keenum and Davis Webb are coming from two wildly different levels of experience. How are you even trying to argue this? Davis Webb has barely a fraction of a percent of a season worth of functioning in an offense at the NFL level. When he actually does get any real practice time he will be doing things he's never been asked to do before. Like running an offense from under center as opposed to shotgun.
You, me, and everyone else on this board is 100% clueless as far as what Davis Webb can or cannot do. You're trying to sound like you have some kind of bead on what Webb is capable of or where he is at in his development, based solely off of what you read about him during the draft, during camp, and sporadically throughout the season by coaches who don't tell the media everything for various reasons.
Case Keenum and Davis Webb are completely different players with completely different learning curves. Some players come into the league and adjust quickly, and some don't. One day you have no idea what you're doing and the next, the light switch goes on. Sometimes it takes a few months. Sometimes it takes a year. Sometimes it takes 5 years.
We don't know anything about Davis Webb The only fact is that he came into the league as a developmental player. What's happened to him since then is mostly unknown, unless you just believe everything you read. The only people who can say anything unequivocally are the coaching staff and front office.
It is not unprecedented for a developmental rookie to make enough strides to start in a year. So its not unreasonable to assume that Davis Webb could be one of those players.
He wants it, he wants it bad. I thinks he wants it Brady and Brees bad. The chip on their shoulders is LARGE. Webb is also a grinder. Match grinder and an almost pathological desire to be great and you have the makings necessary. He has to put it all together. I like grinders.
I am not saying Webb is Brees or Brady. Who is? I think there is a chance Webb could be great.
I get that impression from him too, which I love. I just hope it translates like it did for the guys you mentioned.
Webb slinger in Manhattan, sounds about right, if it pans out.
That said if the coaches and DG have strong conviction for another QB, you can't pass it up.
so now we have the Markus Kuhn or Frank Ferraro of QB's!!
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Thegratefulhead : 1:33 pm : link : reply
He wants it, he wants it bad. I thinks he wants it Brady and Brees bad. The chip on their shoulders is LARGE. Webb is also a grinder.
RE: It's a six-second clip of two guys playing catch. Â
I was just going to say the same thing! Holy shit!
Hey, you can get a 6 second clip of me throwing a bullet on target to someone and add a few comments by a beat writer and BOOM!
Bottom line... the guy has been playing with the practice squad. No live game situations at all. WTF? We dont know anything more than what we saw of him in college.
and admit freely that we none of us know what we have in him right now.
Having said that, it's seems very wrong for posters to say that he cannot play because he has no experience taking snaps under center. It's as though they think we're still working with the same coaching mindset that we had with Eli.
In Eli's rookie year, Gilbride and Coughlin believed in the power of failure to teach. I remember well the articles talking about how they would push Eli to do things he wasn't prepared to do so he could fail and learn from them.
This new regime doesn't seem to share that same philosophy. What we have heard over and over again about Shurmur is that he likes to adopt the game plan to what the players not only can do successfully, but what they want to do.
Why do we have to believe that will be any different if Webb gets inserted at some point? Will they not look at his abilities by then and if he's still uncomfortable under center tailor the game plan to allow him to play in shotgun? Of course you can argue that no team can be successful offensively running the shotgun exclusively, but you'd be missing my point. The point is that Shurmur will look at what Webb does well and making the plan fit him. Like Shurmur did with Keenum, Bradford, and Bridgewater.
Think about it. Can Shurmur only adapt game plans and be successful with different QB's in Minnesota? Does he HAVE to have an elite-rated QB coming out of college to score points in the NFL?
No - he knows what he needs. Don't be surprised at all if the NYG choose to use that #2 pick on someone other that a QB.
so now we have the Markus Kuhn or Frank Ferraro of QB's!!
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Thegratefulhead : 1:33 pm : link : reply
He wants it, he wants it bad. I thinks he wants it Brady and Brees bad. The chip on their shoulders is LARGE. Webb is also a grinders I like grinders
Fat Man, you're just a dick. There are certain personality traits that are found in great players. They often have chip on their shoulders, they seem to want "it" badly. Whatever you want to call "it" Many of them are also grinders. People willing to grind to become great. The master fails 1000 more times than the journeyman even tries. Webb has the size. He has an arm. I don't what he has but if he wants it bad enough and has willingness to grind, he has a chance. He also got to observe Manning, it all matters. I am not saying it should have any impact at what we do at 2. You continue to prove you are one of the real assholes on this board.
because I'm questioning your Id/Ego take on football players?
Fuck me. You act as if Webb is the hardest working guy in the NFL and has a desire to succeed greater than anyone else.
There are a ton of grinders in the league and the vast majority of them elevated themselves to being serviceable journeymen or special teams players.
But basically the point is you pretty much know jackshit about Webb, so you have to discuss intangibles that aren't measured to elevate his stature. Because you sure as fuck can't do it on his game play.
because I'm questioning your Id/Ego take on football players?
Fuck me. You act as if Webb is the hardest working guy in the NFL and has a desire to succeed greater than anyone else.
There are a ton of grinders in the league and the vast majority of them elevated themselves to being serviceable journeymen or special teams players.
But basically the point is you pretty much know jackshit about Webb, so you have to discuss intangibles that aren't measured to elevate his stature. Because you sure as fuck can't do it on his game play.
No, You're a dick because of the way you make your points. You take "shots" at people whenever you can. You know you are dick, you think you are smarter than everyone. I will give you that you do not lack for intelligence. You lack in class. His stats are not bad, he has some more than decent tape. He was drafted in the 3rd round of the NFL draft. He competed at the QB position favorably. He was one of the top QBs in the entire nation. I made a comment about some personality traits that I like. I made no claim about what he was or is going to be with any certainty. Why the derision?
I like Webb
Thegratefulhead : 1:33 pm : link : reply
He wants it, he wants it bad. Webb is also a grinder. Match grinder and an almost pathological desire to be great and you have the makings necessary.
He wants it, he wants it bad. I thinks he wants it Brady and Brees bad. The chip on their shoulders is LARGE. Webb is also a grinder. Match grinder and an almost pathological desire to be great and you have the makings necessary. He has to put it all together. I like grinders.
I am not saying Webb is Brees or Brady. Who is? I think there is a chance Webb could be great.
Why not the whole quote. Why leave it the part where I say he is not Brees or Brady? Or that he has to put it all together? Or that he has a "Chance" Because none of that fit your dick persona.
to expect that Webb could play like a six-year NFL veteran.
Were you just in a bad mood last night or are you always this negative?
There's no reason its not *reasonable*. There are rookie and second year QB's playing as well or better than Keenum and Foles. Will it happen? Who knows. But its not unreasonable.
Sure there's a reason it's not reasonable. Case Keenum and Davis Webb are coming from two wildly different levels of experience. How are you even trying to argue this? Davis Webb has barely a fraction of a percent of a season worth of functioning in an offense at the NFL level. When he actually does get any real practice time he will be doing things he's never been asked to do before. Like running an offense from under center as opposed to shotgun.
You, me, and everyone else on this board is 100% clueless as far as what Davis Webb can or cannot do.
If that's the case, then yes, it is entirely unreasonable to assume he can play as well as a veteran QB that managed a quality football team to a conference title game.
You can call him a developmental QB if you'd like, but he barely got any work this year. What little we DO know is that he's got a good attitude and he had precisely six (6) practice snaps with the starting offense.
I have no desire to see him fail. I also am baffled at the optimism over a draft pick by a GM that was fired for failure to produce talent right where Davis Webb was drafted, and was also batting 0 for 5 on drafting quarterbacks.
Strong arm
Good size
Great attitude
Has respect of team
Good mobility
Was decent in limited pre-season - led "comeback"
Did not win back-up job
Did not play regular season
Personally, I would roll the dice with Eli and Webb. I would trade down unless I was taking a QB. We could have a killer draft that would set us up for years.
As an example a trade down would likely get us:
Swap 2017 #1
Two number two picks
2018 #1 pick
Receivers. I like the idea of the QB and receivers being able to relate to each other. If there is a high throw im sure he can let him know the way the kids relate.
Lets face it Eli was throwing high, I wonder if Beckham actually told him.. "Dude your going to get me Killed".
Strong arm
Good size
Great attitude
Has respect of team
Good mobility
Was decent in limited pre-season - led "comeback"
Did not win back-up job
Did not play regular season
Personally, I would roll the dice with Eli and Webb. I would trade down unless I was taking a QB. We could have a killer draft that would set us up for years.
As an example a trade down would likely get us:
Swap 2017 #1
Two number two picks
2018 #1 pick
Based on a looped 6 second video of a ten yard pass that is a little behind and high we can determine:
1.) Whether or not the QB is pathological in his desire to suceed.
2.) That Webb will replace Eli in 1-2 years
3.) That Webb has a quick and strong arm
4.) That Webb is nothing but consistent after 30 plus throws (that are looped!) LOL
5.) That Webb is really consistent after watching the same throw 50 times which takes 5 minutes!
and the best part....
6.) That Fatman is a Dick
Next thing you know there will be college courses made up to find out what else can be determined from a looped 6 second video!
Foles. He has a huge upside, yet he will not be consistently excellent. His confidence will rise and fall, always with the potential to take a team all the way to the Super Bowl.
is consummate grinder. Man who will win because of attitudinal frequency.
When he sense ball sailing high, he forces will on pigskin to deviate course to downward flight, so no MANNINGED of receivers happens.
We know being MANNINGED has ended careers of Steve Smith, Akeem Hicks, Victor Cruise, and snapped ankles bones of Marshall. This is indisputed fact and nearly ended career of Beckham, two times in same season. 100% on Eli and not debatable. Webb loop film shows successive throwing repeatedly the same. Not to cripple wideouts, but hit between numbers for healthy group!
We cannot afford MANNINGED issues no longer. I need to be target for Eli so he can throw to me in chair that I sit in without rising. Can't be MANNINGED in the old Lay-Z-Boy.
Seeing what Shurmur did with Foles and Keenum.. I think that level of play is reasonable as far as what you can expect out of Davis Webb. I think Webb is more talented than both and they should be his floor, potential wise.
His final season at Cal, he had a 61.6 completion %, 37 TDs to 12 INTs. His passer efficiency rating was a healthy 135.6.
If the Giants do not pick a QB at #2, they could do a lot worse than having Webb.
But I'll admit I'm no QB scout. My expertise are defensive players particulars DBs.
But I've said that Webb is my guy . I love Darnold but if Schurmer likes Webb I'm good with that.
He has all the tools
But I'll admit I'm no QB scout. My expertise are defensive players particulars DBs.
But I've said that Webb is my guy . I love Darnold but if Schurmer likes Webb I'm good with that.
He has all the tools
Funniest thing I read all day.
But I'll admit I'm no QB scout. My expertise are defensive players particulars DBs.
Were you just in a bad mood last night or are you always this negative?
There's no reason its not *reasonable*. There are rookie and second year QB's playing as well or better than Keenum and Foles. Will it happen? Who knows. But its not unreasonable.
Eli throws high all the time and we haven’t had injury-related issues with his receiving targets over the years...
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No good. He throws the ball too high.
Eli throws high all the time and we haven’t had injury-related issues with his receiving targets over the years...
Rewatch the Charger game.
I think something sailed over your head there - and it wasn't an eli or a Webb pass.....
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to expect that Webb could play like a six-year NFL veteran.
Were you just in a bad mood last night or are you always this negative?
There's no reason its not *reasonable*. There are rookie and second year QB's playing as well or better than Keenum and Foles. Will it happen? Who knows. But its not unreasonable.
Sure there's a reason it's not reasonable. Case Keenum and Davis Webb are coming from two wildly different levels of experience. How are you even trying to argue this? Davis Webb has barely a fraction of a percent of a season worth of functioning in an offense at the NFL level. When he actually does get any real practice time he will be doing things he's never been asked to do before. Like running an offense from under center as opposed to shotgun.
Another piece to the puzzle..
Implying that Webb wont be considered because hes part of a previous regime seems silly .. the same could be said about any other player on the roster. It would be beyond short sighted not to consider players already on the roster - regardless of the position ... an asset ( whether Webb is one or not is TBD) is an asset ...
I watched about 5 minutes. Every throw is on the money because he has very consistent footwork in his drop and his throwing mechanics are also consistent There is no pass rush, but I don't see how anyone could throw the ball any better or with greater consistency than Webb shows in this video.
REALLY? ARE YOU SURE? I SLOWED IT DOWN AND IT LOOKED LIKE 10 DIFFERENT PASSES.
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30 throws on that video, and every one was right on the money
I watched about 5 minutes. Every throw is on the money because he has very consistent footwork in his drop and his throwing mechanics are also consistent There is no pass rush, but I don't see how anyone could throw the ball any better or with greater consistency than Webb shows in this video.
Lol the clip in the link is looped.. I seriously hope you're watching a different video.
Lol
I am not saying Webb is Brees or Brady. Who is? I think there is a chance Webb could be great.
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to expect that Webb could play like a six-year NFL veteran.
Were you just in a bad mood last night or are you always this negative?
There's no reason its not *reasonable*. There are rookie and second year QB's playing as well or better than Keenum and Foles. Will it happen? Who knows. But its not unreasonable.
Sure there's a reason it's not reasonable. Case Keenum and Davis Webb are coming from two wildly different levels of experience. How are you even trying to argue this? Davis Webb has barely a fraction of a percent of a season worth of functioning in an offense at the NFL level. When he actually does get any real practice time he will be doing things he's never been asked to do before. Like running an offense from under center as opposed to shotgun.
You, me, and everyone else on this board is 100% clueless as far as what Davis Webb can or cannot do. You're trying to sound like you have some kind of bead on what Webb is capable of or where he is at in his development, based solely off of what you read about him during the draft, during camp, and sporadically throughout the season by coaches who don't tell the media everything for various reasons.
Case Keenum and Davis Webb are completely different players with completely different learning curves. Some players come into the league and adjust quickly, and some don't. One day you have no idea what you're doing and the next, the light switch goes on. Sometimes it takes a few months. Sometimes it takes a year. Sometimes it takes 5 years.
We don't know anything about Davis Webb The only fact is that he came into the league as a developmental player. What's happened to him since then is mostly unknown, unless you just believe everything you read. The only people who can say anything unequivocally are the coaching staff and front office.
It is not unprecedented for a developmental rookie to make enough strides to start in a year. So its not unreasonable to assume that Davis Webb could be one of those players.
I am not saying Webb is Brees or Brady. Who is? I think there is a chance Webb could be great.
I get that impression from him too, which I love. I just hope it translates like it did for the guys you mentioned.
Webb slinger in Manhattan, sounds about right, if it pans out.
That said if the coaches and DG have strong conviction for another QB, you can't pass it up.
Thegratefulhead : 1:33 pm : link : reply
He wants it, he wants it bad. I thinks he wants it Brady and Brees bad. The chip on their shoulders is LARGE. Webb is also a grinder.
I was just going to say the same thing! Holy shit!
Hey, you can get a 6 second clip of me throwing a bullet on target to someone and add a few comments by a beat writer and BOOM!
Bottom line... the guy has been playing with the practice squad. No live game situations at all. WTF? We dont know anything more than what we saw of him in college.
Having said that, it's seems very wrong for posters to say that he cannot play because he has no experience taking snaps under center. It's as though they think we're still working with the same coaching mindset that we had with Eli.
In Eli's rookie year, Gilbride and Coughlin believed in the power of failure to teach. I remember well the articles talking about how they would push Eli to do things he wasn't prepared to do so he could fail and learn from them.
This new regime doesn't seem to share that same philosophy. What we have heard over and over again about Shurmur is that he likes to adopt the game plan to what the players not only can do successfully, but what they want to do.
Why do we have to believe that will be any different if Webb gets inserted at some point? Will they not look at his abilities by then and if he's still uncomfortable under center tailor the game plan to allow him to play in shotgun? Of course you can argue that no team can be successful offensively running the shotgun exclusively, but you'd be missing my point. The point is that Shurmur will look at what Webb does well and making the plan fit him. Like Shurmur did with Keenum, Bradford, and Bridgewater.
Think about it. Can Shurmur only adapt game plans and be successful with different QB's in Minnesota? Does he HAVE to have an elite-rated QB coming out of college to score points in the NFL?
No - he knows what he needs. Don't be surprised at all if the NYG choose to use that #2 pick on someone other that a QB.
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I like Webb
Thegratefulhead : 1:33 pm : link : reply
He wants it, he wants it bad. I thinks he wants it Brady and Brees bad. The chip on their shoulders is LARGE. Webb is also a grinders I like grinders
Fuck me. You act as if Webb is the hardest working guy in the NFL and has a desire to succeed greater than anyone else.
There are a ton of grinders in the league and the vast majority of them elevated themselves to being serviceable journeymen or special teams players.
But basically the point is you pretty much know jackshit about Webb, so you have to discuss intangibles that aren't measured to elevate his stature. Because you sure as fuck can't do it on his game play.
Fuck me. You act as if Webb is the hardest working guy in the NFL and has a desire to succeed greater than anyone else.
There are a ton of grinders in the league and the vast majority of them elevated themselves to being serviceable journeymen or special teams players.
But basically the point is you pretty much know jackshit about Webb, so you have to discuss intangibles that aren't measured to elevate his stature. Because you sure as fuck can't do it on his game play.
Thegratefulhead : 1:33 pm : link : reply
He wants it, he wants it bad. Webb is also a grinder. Match grinder and an almost pathological desire to be great and you have the makings necessary.
Huh??
I am not saying Webb is Brees or Brady. Who is? I think there is a chance Webb could be great.
That alone is asinine enough.
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to expect that Webb could play like a six-year NFL veteran.
Were you just in a bad mood last night or are you always this negative?
There's no reason its not *reasonable*. There are rookie and second year QB's playing as well or better than Keenum and Foles. Will it happen? Who knows. But its not unreasonable.
Sure there's a reason it's not reasonable. Case Keenum and Davis Webb are coming from two wildly different levels of experience. How are you even trying to argue this? Davis Webb has barely a fraction of a percent of a season worth of functioning in an offense at the NFL level. When he actually does get any real practice time he will be doing things he's never been asked to do before. Like running an offense from under center as opposed to shotgun.
You, me, and everyone else on this board is 100% clueless as far as what Davis Webb can or cannot do.
If that's the case, then yes, it is entirely unreasonable to assume he can play as well as a veteran QB that managed a quality football team to a conference title game.
You can call him a developmental QB if you'd like, but he barely got any work this year. What little we DO know is that he's got a good attitude and he had precisely six (6) practice snaps with the starting offense.
I have no desire to see him fail. I also am baffled at the optimism over a draft pick by a GM that was fired for failure to produce talent right where Davis Webb was drafted, and was also batting 0 for 5 on drafting quarterbacks.
Strong arm
Good size
Great attitude
Has respect of team
Good mobility
Was decent in limited pre-season - led "comeback"
Did not win back-up job
Did not play regular season
Personally, I would roll the dice with Eli and Webb. I would trade down unless I was taking a QB. We could have a killer draft that would set us up for years.
As an example a trade down would likely get us:
Swap 2017 #1
Two number two picks
2018 #1 pick
They already look night-and-day better
Lets face it Eli was throwing high, I wonder if Beckham actually told him.. "Dude your going to get me Killed".
Strong arm
Good size
Great attitude
Has respect of team
Good mobility
Was decent in limited pre-season - led "comeback"
Did not win back-up job
Did not play regular season
Personally, I would roll the dice with Eli and Webb. I would trade down unless I was taking a QB. We could have a killer draft that would set us up for years.
As an example a trade down would likely get us:
Swap 2017 #1
Two number two picks
2018 #1 pick
what was his resume in college again?
1.) Whether or not the QB is pathological in his desire to suceed.
2.) That Webb will replace Eli in 1-2 years
3.) That Webb has a quick and strong arm
4.) That Webb is nothing but consistent after 30 plus throws (that are looped!) LOL
5.) That Webb is really consistent after watching the same throw 50 times which takes 5 minutes!
and the best part....
6.) That Fatman is a Dick
Next thing you know there will be college courses made up to find out what else can be determined from a looped 6 second video!
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Quick and strong arm
But I'll admit I'm no QB scout. My expertise are defensive players particulars DBs.
But I've said that Webb is my guy . I love Darnold but if Schurmer likes Webb I'm good with that.
He has all the tools
Funniest thing I read all day.
Lmao was about to post same...
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Quick and strong arm
But I'll admit I'm no QB scout. My expertise are defensive players particulars DBs.
But I've said that Webb is my guy . I love Darnold but if Schurmer likes Webb I'm good with that.
He has all the tools
Funniest thing I read all day.
Lmao was about to post same...
LOL. Denny what DB’s do you like in this draft class?
When I first looked at the footage, Webb looked exactly like Eli. Actually a young Eli!
Webb has the tools to compete, he seems to be working hard.
That is 25% of the battle. 75% is the will to WIN.
When he sense ball sailing high, he forces will on pigskin to deviate course to downward flight, so no MANNINGED of receivers happens.
We know being MANNINGED has ended careers of Steve Smith, Akeem Hicks, Victor Cruise, and snapped ankles bones of Marshall. This is indisputed fact and nearly ended career of Beckham, two times in same season. 100% on Eli and not debatable. Webb loop film shows successive throwing repeatedly the same. Not to cripple wideouts, but hit between numbers for healthy group!
We cannot afford MANNINGED issues no longer. I need to be target for Eli so he can throw to me in chair that I sit in without rising. Can't be MANNINGED in the old Lay-Z-Boy.