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Trae Young still looks like a player to me. Plus, where the Knicks pick, he could be a great high reward player. He's a baby playing on an eh team where he is the sole focus of defenses. Still want to see more of him before calling him Jimmer Fridette.
You can even look at Fridettes senior season which is completely unfair and even then he's not close to Young. Young can distribute, he's not just a shooter.
Trae Young still looks like a player to me. Plus, where the Knicks pick, he could be a great high reward player. He's a baby playing on an eh team where he is the sole focus of defenses. Still want to see more of him before calling him Jimmer Fridette.
I just don't see it, he is a chucker, and I get he is their whole team but he is not Steph curry..
He is shooting 42 percent, 36 percent from 3...
Curry in college ahot 46 percent and 42 percent from 3...
He also turns the ball over a ton
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You can even look at Fridettes senior season which is completely unfair and even then he's not close to Young. Young can distribute, he's not just a shooter.
Don't forget to mention he is shooting 42 percent and 36 percent from 3 and is averaging almost 6 turnovers per game
things... Curry might be the greatest pure shooter in the history of the sport + a future HOFer so Young can still be a big time player and not be Curry. 2, nobody even knew who Curry was outside of "Dell Curry has a son?" as a Freshman. That being said Curry is a better pure athlete. Young may/may not learn to be able to overcome his limitations. I've seen him bottled up but really good/long defenders. Frank for example I think RIGHT NOW would eat him up.
things... Curry might be the greatest pure shooter in the history of the sport + a future HOFer so Young can still be a big time player and not be Curry. 2, nobody even knew who Curry was outside of "Dell Curry has a son?" as a Freshman. That being said Curry is a better pure athlete. Young may/may not learn to be able to overcome his limitations. I've seen him bottled up but really good/long defenders. Frank for example I think RIGHT NOW would eat him up.
Every time trae young plays people compare him to curry..
And here is another thing if trade young comes to the knicks and he has the start curry had, you really think he is going to last in New york?
He can't even get through half season before fans and media have given up on him, it is an absolute joke and it sucks that the knicks have to draft thinking like this..
Imagine if fultz was drafted by the knicks? He would be absolutely crucified
things... Curry might be the greatest pure shooter in the history of the sport + a future HOFer so Young can still be a big time player and not be Curry. 2, nobody even knew who Curry was outside of "Dell Curry has a son?" as a Freshman. That being said Curry is a better pure athlete. Young may/may not learn to be able to overcome his limitations. I've seen him bottled up but really good/long defenders. Frank for example I think RIGHT NOW would eat him up.
Every time trae young plays people compare him to curry..
And here is another thing if trade young comes to the knicks and he has the start curry had, you really think he is going to last in New york?
Wasn't take a shot at your comparison. Everyone is making that same one. But Curry averaged 18, 6 and 5 on 46/44 as a rookie. Knicks fans would be ejaculating over a rookie doing that for us.
things... Curry might be the greatest pure shooter in the history of the sport + a future HOFer so Young can still be a big time player and not be Curry. 2, nobody even knew who Curry was outside of "Dell Curry has a son?" as a Freshman. That being said Curry is a better pure athlete. Young may/may not learn to be able to overcome his limitations. I've seen him bottled up but really good/long defenders. Frank for example I think RIGHT NOW would eat him up.
Every time trae young plays people compare him to curry..
And here is another thing if trade young comes to the knicks and he has the start curry had, you really think he is going to last in New york?
Wasn't take a shot at your comparison. Everyone is making that same one. But Curry averaged 18, 6 and 5 on 46/44 as a rookie. Knicks fans would be ejaculating over a rookie doing that for us.
I am talking about him getting hurt so much with the ankles
I could see him being like IT on defense, but at least he has like 6-7 inches on IT lol. Where the Knicks would be picking, I don't hate it.
My 2 favorite player in the range NY will be picking so far is Bamba and Mikal Bridges. I was on Jaren Jackson but it looks like he won't make it out of the top 5.
Bamba -Potential, thinking Gobert w/ maybe a 3 point shot?? That would be some crazy rim protection on defense and rebounding/floor spacing on offense with KP.
Mikal - I know he's a junior but he has the body type and athleticism of a typical one-and-done freshman wing. At worst, I think he's a solid 3 and D wing, but the man can finish in transition and hit step backs in the mid range. I think its unfair to compare any prospect to Kawhi Leonard, but maybe year 2/3 Kawhi potential?
love to add Bamba. I think KP too often has to focus on blocking shots and being the "only" interior defender. Bamba is a high IQ kid (who is local!). Big fan.
But he has serious NBA limitations - he's small, a mediocre athlete, and he plays zero defense. He's like Lonzo Ball minus four inches (but probably a better shooter at the next level).
During OU's current six game losing streak, Young is shooting 11-56 on 3s - 19.6%.
Is Lou Williams, not Steph Curry. He’s probably a back of the top 10 pick but I wouldn’t expect all of Atlanta, Phoenix, Orlando be Sacramento to just pass up on him lol.
Frank Ntilikina: C
He’s 19, living by himself in a new country, playing on basketball’s biggest stage and had the misfortune of being on the draft board along with Rookie of the Year favorite Donovan Mitchell and LeBron favorite Dennis Smith Jr. Considering this, he’s held up with amazing maturity. However, numbers don’t lie (5.3 points, 35 percent shooting). His offensive tentativeness is alarming and his instincts driving the ball are a concern. Opponents are anticipating his pocket passes. His length and commitment to defense makes him a potential keeper and has good form on his jump shot. But the fear is the Frenchman only becomes a defensive-specialist shooting guard off the bench.
Still think Frank will be a fine starter. Maybe not a lead guard but a 3 and D w/ playmaking. I think he’s more Nic batum than Tony Parker as the media loves making the French connection.
If Knicks stay where they are I want miles bridges. Versatile forward that can play the 3 or play the 4 in small lineups. Can shoot and is super athletic, I wanted him last year before he decided to go back to school..
If Knicks move up to top 3 doncic or Dayton for me...
and then not compare them when they were both Freshman. Young can do so much more than Fridette that it's a stupid comparison to begin with. Fridette was a shooter, that's it. Young is a distributor and a very good one too. The kid is a baby, plays on a bad team and has the ball in his hands all game long.
There are certainly flags with Young. He's small, he doesn't play good defense and he turns the ball over a lot. You arne't getting someone at 7-10 that doesn't have red flags. To me, in February, he's in the discussion for sure. Lets see how the freshman season ends.
and then not compare them when they were both Freshman. Young can do so much more than Fridette that it's a stupid comparison to begin with. Fridette was a shooter, that's it. Young is a distributor and a very good one too. The kid is a baby, plays on a bad team and has the ball in his hands all game long.
There are certainly flags with Young. He's small, he doesn't play good defense and he turns the ball over a lot. You arne't getting someone at 7-10 that doesn't have red flags. To me, in February, he's in the discussion for sure. Lets see how the freshman season ends.
I could be completely wrong, but I just don't see it with trae someone is going to really regret taking him..
He will have his moments but I just don't see reward being greater than the risk
PG's are vital in today's NBA, plus I want someone to make things easy for KP. When was the last PG we had that could legitimately distribute and control a game?
and then not compare them when they were both Freshman. Young can do so much more than Fridette that it's a stupid comparison to begin with. Fridette was a shooter, that's it. Young is a distributor and a very good one too. The kid is a baby, plays on a bad team and has the ball in his hands all game long.
There are certainly flags with Young. He's small, he doesn't play good defense and he turns the ball over a lot. You arne't getting someone at 7-10 that doesn't have red flags. To me, in February, he's in the discussion for sure. Lets see how the freshman season ends.
I could be completely wrong, but I just don't see it with trae someone is going to really regret taking him..
He will have his moments but I just don't see reward being greater than the risk
If you've watched him recently, I can certainly understand. Earlier this season, he was unstoppable. He seems to have tired out a bit and teams are focused on him more. I don't think any decision needs to be made now. Lets see how things unfold between now and the draft.
I may lose a little credibility on my judging of point guards...
I still think mudiay can become a distributing point guard who can break down a defense, his rookie year he averaged 18 and 6, I think he just needs minutes
Is an absolute monster but I thought I read somewhere that he is 7 feet with a wingspan slightly less than his actual height whereas bamba has a 7’8 wingspan. Maybe I misread but is that weird to be that tall and not have the big wingspan. Is wingspand over rated or will it mean he will have limitations as a shot blocker. Let me say I could have completely misread that so I could be wrong. Other than that he already has a nba body and is a beast.
I wouldn't call him a "distributing" PG at all given his insane usage rate and his 5 TOs a game, but given how far teams have gone without distributing PGs has shown how important that is. It's mainly about having a PG that can break down a defense, which Young can do.
I wouldn't call him a "distributing" PG at all given his insane usage rate and his 5 TOs a game, but given how far teams have gone without distributing PGs has shown how important that is. It's mainly about having a PG that can break down a defense, which Young can do.
Break down a defense? That's not really what he does, he's not particularly quick. He's an elite passer and at least a good shooter, maybe better, but he's not the kind of PG who is going to beat defenders off the dribble in the NBA.
I just don't think NY can tank well enough now to get there.
Doncic, Bagely, Porter, Bamba, and Ayton in no particular order would be great additions to this Knicks roster. A lot more uncertainty outside the top 5.
I wouldn't call him a "distributing" PG at all given his insane usage rate and his 5 TOs a game, but given how far teams have gone without distributing PGs has shown how important that is. It's mainly about having a PG that can break down a defense, which Young can do.
Break down a defense? That's not really what he does, he's not particularly quick. He's an elite passer and at least a good shooter, maybe better, but he's not the kind of PG who is going to beat defenders off the dribble in the NBA.
Didn't mean beat guys directly off the dribble, nor do I think he's going to succeed at a super high usage but his shot will allow him to make guys close out to hard on fakes and he has a good enough handle to get past switches when bigger guys are on him. Again, don't think he's steph carryout his skill set could be intriguing. Certainly not my #1 choice, but I also doubt he ends up past 6.
will have the longest wingspan in the history of the draft when he comes out.
More than Manute?
Predates measuring for wingspan but quite possibly. Bamba's wingspan was previously unofficially recorded at 7'9.5 which is .5 longer than Gobert (previous longest).
"Bamba will have the longest wingspan in league history when he inevitably reaches the NBA after one year at Texas. His most recent measurement at the 2017 Nike Hoop Summit had him at a 7'9 wingspan with a 9'6 standing reach. He has a half-inch in wingspan on Rudy Gobert and two inches on Shaquille O’Neal and Hassan Whiteside."
I haven't really watched him this season but ESPN has the Knicks taking him at 9. Some issues I see are his 3 point shooting and the fact he's averaging 3.5 assists to 2.4 TOs. Basically the issues Fox is showing this year seems to be what Sexton is exhibiting early.
I haven't really watched him this season but ESPN has the Knicks taking him at 9. Some issues I see are his 3 point shooting and the fact he's averaging 3.5 assists to 2.4 TOs. Basically the issues Fox is showing this year seems to be what Sexton is exhibiting early.
The way he plays he comes down hard on his layups and dunks - Derrick Rose like. I'm worried about the injury factor.
He can't even get through half season before fans and media have given up on him, it is an absolute joke and it sucks that the knicks have to draft thinking like this..
Imagine if fultz was drafted by the knicks? He would be absolutely crucified
I think you're overstating this so called impatience on the part of the Knicks fan base. Frank has been borderline dreadful while 2-3 other players we passed on have been terrific and fans haven't even booed the kid yet.
NYC isn't special. The media sucks more than other places but the fans here are just as impatient or patient as most fan bases. Shit if anything you could say that Knicks fans are even more patient and loyal than any other base going. Who else sells out nightly and hears loud chants of "defense" in the 4th quarter even when the home team is down 12?
not many are close. DSJ and Rose are comparable, I guess the injury concerns are legit. Our own Frank doesn't seem to care all that much about jumping, so we are safe there.
Sexton seems to have the "it" factor though, extremely aggressive and competitive, that's what we need. I am surprised by how uninspiring Duval's play is at Duke. I haven't watched that much, but his stats don't seem that outstanding.
We need a PG that can run the offense and creat for himself, BADLY. Mudiay/Burke/Frank are't the answer, at least I don't think so.
True but there will be and is currently a logjam in backcourt
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Haha your funny thinking hornacek will play him over lance thomas
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both last season and this summer. Solid "gamble"... PLAY HIM
Haha your funny thinking hornacek will play him over lance thomas
Said the exact same thing on twitter.. like the move.. until he plays 5 and Lance Thomas plays 28
28.3 pts
9.2 assists
4 rebounds
1.7 steals
Jimmer Fridette:
7 pts
1.7 assists
1 rebound
.8 steals
You can even look at Fridettes senior season which is completely unfair and even then he's not close to Young. Young can distribute, he's not just a shooter.
I just don't see it, he is a chucker, and I get he is their whole team but he is not Steph curry..
He is shooting 42 percent, 36 percent from 3...
Curry in college ahot 46 percent and 42 percent from 3...
He also turns the ball over a ton
28.3 pts
9.2 assists
4 rebounds
1.7 steals
Jimmer Fridette:
7 pts
1.7 assists
1 rebound
.8 steals
You can even look at Fridettes senior season which is completely unfair and even then he's not close to Young. Young can distribute, he's not just a shooter.
Don't forget to mention he is shooting 42 percent and 36 percent from 3 and is averaging almost 6 turnovers per game
Every time trae young plays people compare him to curry..
And here is another thing if trade young comes to the knicks and he has the start curry had, you really think he is going to last in New york?
Imagine if fultz was drafted by the knicks? He would be absolutely crucified
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things... Curry might be the greatest pure shooter in the history of the sport + a future HOFer so Young can still be a big time player and not be Curry. 2, nobody even knew who Curry was outside of "Dell Curry has a son?" as a Freshman. That being said Curry is a better pure athlete. Young may/may not learn to be able to overcome his limitations. I've seen him bottled up but really good/long defenders. Frank for example I think RIGHT NOW would eat him up.
Every time trae young plays people compare him to curry..
And here is another thing if trade young comes to the knicks and he has the start curry had, you really think he is going to last in New york?
Wasn't take a shot at your comparison. Everyone is making that same one. But Curry averaged 18, 6 and 5 on 46/44 as a rookie. Knicks fans would be ejaculating over a rookie doing that for us.
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things... Curry might be the greatest pure shooter in the history of the sport + a future HOFer so Young can still be a big time player and not be Curry. 2, nobody even knew who Curry was outside of "Dell Curry has a son?" as a Freshman. That being said Curry is a better pure athlete. Young may/may not learn to be able to overcome his limitations. I've seen him bottled up but really good/long defenders. Frank for example I think RIGHT NOW would eat him up.
Every time trae young plays people compare him to curry..
And here is another thing if trade young comes to the knicks and he has the start curry had, you really think he is going to last in New york?
Wasn't take a shot at your comparison. Everyone is making that same one. But Curry averaged 18, 6 and 5 on 46/44 as a rookie. Knicks fans would be ejaculating over a rookie doing that for us.
I am talking about him getting hurt so much with the ankles
My 2 favorite player in the range NY will be picking so far is Bamba and Mikal Bridges. I was on Jaren Jackson but it looks like he won't make it out of the top 5.
Bamba -Potential, thinking Gobert w/ maybe a 3 point shot?? That would be some crazy rim protection on defense and rebounding/floor spacing on offense with KP.
Mikal - I know he's a junior but he has the body type and athleticism of a typical one-and-done freshman wing. At worst, I think he's a solid 3 and D wing, but the man can finish in transition and hit step backs in the mid range. I think its unfair to compare any prospect to Kawhi Leonard, but maybe year 2/3 Kawhi potential?
During OU's current six game losing streak, Young is shooting 11-56 on 3s - 19.6%.
Frank Ntilikina: C
He’s 19, living by himself in a new country, playing on basketball’s biggest stage and had the misfortune of being on the draft board along with Rookie of the Year favorite Donovan Mitchell and LeBron favorite Dennis Smith Jr. Considering this, he’s held up with amazing maturity. However, numbers don’t lie (5.3 points, 35 percent shooting). His offensive tentativeness is alarming and his instincts driving the ball are a concern. Opponents are anticipating his pocket passes. His length and commitment to defense makes him a potential keeper and has good form on his jump shot. But the fear is the Frenchman only becomes a defensive-specialist shooting guard off the bench.
If Knicks move up to top 3 doncic or Dayton for me...
There are certainly flags with Young. He's small, he doesn't play good defense and he turns the ball over a lot. You arne't getting someone at 7-10 that doesn't have red flags. To me, in February, he's in the discussion for sure. Lets see how the freshman season ends.
There are certainly flags with Young. He's small, he doesn't play good defense and he turns the ball over a lot. You arne't getting someone at 7-10 that doesn't have red flags. To me, in February, he's in the discussion for sure. Lets see how the freshman season ends.
I could be completely wrong, but I just don't see it with trae someone is going to really regret taking him..
He will have his moments but I just don't see reward being greater than the risk
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and then not compare them when they were both Freshman. Young can do so much more than Fridette that it's a stupid comparison to begin with. Fridette was a shooter, that's it. Young is a distributor and a very good one too. The kid is a baby, plays on a bad team and has the ball in his hands all game long.
There are certainly flags with Young. He's small, he doesn't play good defense and he turns the ball over a lot. You arne't getting someone at 7-10 that doesn't have red flags. To me, in February, he's in the discussion for sure. Lets see how the freshman season ends.
I could be completely wrong, but I just don't see it with trae someone is going to really regret taking him..
He will have his moments but I just don't see reward being greater than the risk
If you've watched him recently, I can certainly understand. Earlier this season, he was unstoppable. He seems to have tired out a bit and teams are focused on him more. I don't think any decision needs to be made now. Lets see how things unfold between now and the draft.
I still think mudiay can become a distributing point guard who can break down a defense, his rookie year he averaged 18 and 6, I think he just needs minutes
More than Manute?
Break down a defense? That's not really what he does, he's not particularly quick. He's an elite passer and at least a good shooter, maybe better, but he's not the kind of PG who is going to beat defenders off the dribble in the NBA.
Doncic, Bagely, Porter, Bamba, and Ayton in no particular order would be great additions to this Knicks roster. A lot more uncertainty outside the top 5.
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I wouldn't call him a "distributing" PG at all given his insane usage rate and his 5 TOs a game, but given how far teams have gone without distributing PGs has shown how important that is. It's mainly about having a PG that can break down a defense, which Young can do.
Break down a defense? That's not really what he does, he's not particularly quick. He's an elite passer and at least a good shooter, maybe better, but he's not the kind of PG who is going to beat defenders off the dribble in the NBA.
Didn't mean beat guys directly off the dribble, nor do I think he's going to succeed at a super high usage but his shot will allow him to make guys close out to hard on fakes and he has a good enough handle to get past switches when bigger guys are on him. Again, don't think he's steph carryout his skill set could be intriguing. Certainly not my #1 choice, but I also doubt he ends up past 6.
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will have the longest wingspan in the history of the draft when he comes out.
More than Manute?
Predates measuring for wingspan but quite possibly. Bamba's wingspan was previously unofficially recorded at 7'9.5 which is .5 longer than Gobert (previous longest).
"Bamba will have the longest wingspan in league history when he inevitably reaches the NBA after one year at Texas. His most recent measurement at the 2017 Nike Hoop Summit had him at a 7'9 wingspan with a 9'6 standing reach. He has a half-inch in wingspan on Rudy Gobert and two inches on Shaquille O’Neal and Hassan Whiteside."
The way he plays he comes down hard on his layups and dunks - Derrick Rose like. I'm worried about the injury factor.
Imagine if fultz was drafted by the knicks? He would be absolutely crucified
I think you're overstating this so called impatience on the part of the Knicks fan base. Frank has been borderline dreadful while 2-3 other players we passed on have been terrific and fans haven't even booed the kid yet.
NYC isn't special. The media sucks more than other places but the fans here are just as impatient or patient as most fan bases. Shit if anything you could say that Knicks fans are even more patient and loyal than any other base going. Who else sells out nightly and hears loud chants of "defense" in the 4th quarter even when the home team is down 12?
Nonsense. The front office has sucked. The fans aren't to blame.
My top Five.
1> Doncic / Ayton 3> Trae Young 4> Porter (though I don't like what I hear about his character) 5> Bomba 6> Jaren Jackson 7> Bagley (defense or lack thereof).
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Sexton seems to have the "it" factor though, extremely aggressive and competitive, that's what we need. I am surprised by how uninspiring Duval's play is at Duke. I haven't watched that much, but his stats don't seem that outstanding.
We need a PG that can run the offense and creat for himself, BADLY. Mudiay/Burke/Frank are't the answer, at least I don't think so.