A Massapequa boy! Sweet.....5th round pick, big kid (6'4" 207), not much scoring. 2-6-8 in 43 AHL games this year, 4-9-13 in 54 AHL games last year. 11 scoreless NHL appearances.
Was asked to play way out of his depth on the first pair this season and closing out playoff games last season. That's on AV, not the player.
Figure he's third paid/extra defenseman for Boston, and he's fine for that role. We did well to get anything in return. Though the fact that our "first pair" defenseman only bring back this return just further exemplifies the evaluation problems this coach has.
Anything for Holden is a plus - I just wouldn't expect anything to come of the pick.
I think Buchnevich was the only 3rd rounder we really "hit" on in the last 20 years or so. The vast majority never even got to the NHL level or had any sort of impact.
Odds are very low on 3rd rders. But obviously I'll take it.
But yeah obviously the big unknowns here are Nash and McDonaugh. Is the latter seriously hurt or are they just preserving him for trade ?
...and of course continuing to lose and hopefully move up the lottery pool. Maybe Dolan even gets lucky in one of his leagues for once since 1985 or whatever and wins. Nah.
if you're a Rangers fan is that Boston was a rumored destination for McDonagh, so for those of you pushing for a McDonagh trade (and I wouldn't be if I were a Rangers fan) this probably removes a destination for McDonagh.
I imagine the trade talk between the teams started with McDonagh, Boston probably found the price too high and then inquired on Holden (no source for this, just a guess).
From what I've read the rangers aren't committed to letting McDonaugh go though. May see where the summer takes them ... which I'm generally fine with (unless we hear they passed on an incredible deal - but I doubt it ... even getting that Yandle deal back seems unlikely - teams aren't desperate like Sather was back then)
them getting a better deal for Mac at the draft than they would now, because you get two playoff runs out of him by acquiring him now. But maybe I'm off base there
them getting a better deal for Mac at the draft than they would now, because you get two playoff runs out of him by acquiring him now. But maybe I'm off base there
It's interesting, because I am hearing the same arguments about Pacioretty. He, like McDonagh, has another year on his deal. Both team friendly.
the argument for holding them to the draft is it opens up more potential trade partners (NMC/NTC not with standing). Where as at the deadline the pool of potential trade partners is limited to contenders.
Furthermore, players like McDonagh and Pacioretty you'd want young ready to contribute players back (in addition to picks), so you run the risk of a contender not being willing to part with young highly regarded players because they might be counting on them down the stretch.
So, you wait until the draft, and that's the camp I used to be in.
The counter point is teams who were contenders at the deadline might consider making more players available at the draft since they are potentially entering the final year of their deals like an Erik Karlsson or Noah Hanifin for example (though Karlsson might be a bad example since the Senators are not contenders), so there could be more options available at the draft than at the deadline.
Now I don't know what to think.
I still think I lean toward the draft being better, because McDonagh and Pacioretty (two examples) are not so old they would be good rentals, they're players to sign and build around.
O'Gara actually made the big club last year to start the season.
I am surprised they traded a younger player for a guy that I am reading is a free agent at year's end, and won't make that big of an impact - meaning, I am wondering if he is even able to crack the B's top 6. I suspect he wouldn't.
O'Gara actually made the big club last year to start the season.
I am surprised they traded a younger player for a guy that I am reading is a free agent at year's end, and won't make that big of an impact - meaning, I am wondering if he is even able to crack the B's top 6. I suspect he wouldn't.
Chara/McAvoy
Krug/Carlo
Miller/Grezlyck
McQuaid.
Seems a lot to give up, but ZC looks gassed, McA may be health, TK is small, BC has played poorly, KM needs to get stretched out, G is meh, McQ has a med issue too, and injuries are talked down, Providence guys are emergency fills, and the D is not physically overwhelming. Or, as someone wrote, could be injury or another trade in the works.
The Canadiens have traded defenseman Jakub Jerabek to the Washington Capitals in exchange for a fifth-round pick in 2019.
I liked him, older rookie, but decent depth guy.
I read a stat that said over the past few years, very few trades occur on the deadline (Monday) and the bulk of the transactions will happen between now and Sunday.
Rumors heating up on Karlsson from what I have been reading.
has been that the Senators having been asking for a fortune x100 (which they should) but also that they're trying to make teams take Bobby Ryan's contract (which looks really bad). If both of those are firm I don't see how he's going anywhere this deadline.
has been that the Senators having been asking for a fortune x100 (which they should) but also that they're trying to make teams take Bobby Ryan's contract (which looks really bad). If both of those are firm I don't see how he's going anywhere this deadline.
Karlsson's health more than anything else would give me pause. I'd pay the price if I was a contender.
top 3 best NHL defenseman in his prime, under contract another year.
Lebrun tweeted things are heating up with Grabner. Could see the Rangers get the smaller deals done first before focusing on the big ones like McD closer to the deadline
Rangers embraced the tank far more than MTL, I didn't see a letter to the fans from Geoff Molson or Mark Bergevin.
MTL has one of the best Assistant GM's in the game from a talent evaluation standpoint (Trevor Timmins), I hope he's the GM before Bergevin makes this pick.
until there's no other option, even if it means missing games.
agree, but he has a torn tendon in his foot, I'm not a medical expert obviously, but that doesn't sound like something that heals with rest. I think he probably tried to play through it not realizing the severity (and although they had a rough start the season clearly wasn't lost by November) and he didn't tell anyone how bad the pain was and then the team sat on it with their own medical staff before sending him to a specialist (which just happened last weekend).
Rangers embraced the tank far more than MTL, I didn't see a letter to the fans from Geoff Molson or Mark Bergevin.
MTL has one of the best Assistant GM's in the game from a talent evaluation standpoint (Trevor Timmins), I hope he's the GM before Bergevin makes this pick.
Montreal is really an org living off its past. Done nothing since 93.
I don't know what they're waiting on. The best offers out there has already been made by now, and if Nash in particular gets hurt playing meaningless games, it will really hurt the (necessary) rebuilding plan.
Rangers embraced the tank far more than MTL, I didn't see a letter to the fans from Geoff Molson or Mark Bergevin.
MTL has one of the best Assistant GM's in the game from a talent evaluation standpoint (Trevor Timmins), I hope he's the GM before Bergevin makes this pick.
Montreal is really an org living off its past. Done nothing since 93.
Yeah, that whole one year beyond that when the Rangers won the SC and one other SCF appearance since then (which the Rangers beat the Canadiens to advance to) surely establish the Rangers as hockey royalty. Congratulations for being such a model franchise that all other teams aspire to be.
your other teams may have it over Montreal but I wouldn't say the Rangers do.
until there's no other option, even if it means missing games.
agree, but he has a torn tendon in his foot, I'm not a medical expert obviously, but that doesn't sound like something that heals with rest. I think he probably tried to play through it not realizing the severity (and although they had a rough start the season clearly wasn't lost by November) and he didn't tell anyone how bad the pain was and then the team sat on it with their own medical staff before sending him to a specialist (which just happened last weekend).
It could be, diagnosing such an injury isn't always clear cut without going in there, I've been there (with other body parts).
If they're going to deal with that repulsive organization, they had better get absolute top dollar. Doing anything to help that team makes my stomach churn.
If they're going to deal with that repulsive organization, they had better get absolute top dollar. Doing anything to help that team makes my stomach churn.
Friedman specifically mentioned Daniel Sprong, I'd do that in a heartbeat. Sprong is a fast, skilled, sniper who is 20 years old.
He's outscoring Chytil in the AHL (granted Chytil is 2 ywars younger, but Sprong was a 2nd round pick). And he's not a C, but is reportedly defensively sound (won't claim to have witnessed that), but if they offer Sprong for Grabner you send Grabner on the next flight.
Sprong is the kind of player I'd target in a Grabner trade.
What Steve Yzerman won't be doing is dealing from his current lineup, so the likes of Mikhail Sergachev and Brayden Point won't be going anywhere. #TBLightning @TB_Times #NHLTradeDeadline @TBTimes_JSmith
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Neither Rick Nash nor Michael Grabner will play for #NYR tonight. Team closing in deals, so right now, this is just precautionary. Lettieri and Carey will be in.
Out indefinitely with a concussion. Montreal in full tank mode
Well if the Rangers are holding out Nash and Grabner need to try and get in the Dahlin battle.
I do like that MTL called up Lindgren. He looks like a legit future backup. If Niemi starts tonight it means MTL wants to lose. He's about as nimble as an ice berg in net.
Hopefully MTL holds out Pacioretty, Galchenyuk and Drouin too just to make sure.
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NYI and pending UFA forward Josh Bailey are closing in on a multi-year contract extension. Still finalizing some details but likely to be an AAV of around $5M with a term of five or six years. #TradeCentre
They have to go like 4-17 the rest of the way. We might have a shot but Ottawa Montreal buffalo Arizona have something to say about their suck too
Anyway we're not one or even two players away ... this is going to take a few years. I'm worried Dolan will never let a 'process' play out. His ticket prices are too high.
Based on my recent conversation with Devils assistant GM Tom Fitzgerald, here's what I've got on D Yegor Rykov: (20, 6-2, 205, St. Petersburg SKA, KHL) Poised puck mover but must be more agile. Not leaving KHL soon. (Acquired: 2016 draft, 132nd overall)
Should be a pretty high 2nd rounder. Im sure if someone was offering a 1st rounder we would have taken that. I dont think Grabner was realistically worth a 1st rounder though. Rykov was their best D prospect. Rangers may be the SKA Rangers in a few years between Buch, Kovalchuk?, Shestyorkin, and Rykov
$8 mil next two years to sit on a beach somewhere ? Fuck that, next year is a 40 point season. Make him coach the year and live with his choices. There's not much to 'develop' next year besides Chytil and Andersson and he's ok with young forwards anyway.
Fire him next summer if you want but next year is certainly a lost year. The development / ascension years start when these lousy contracts roll off - Staal, smith, even lundqvist - in 2021.
Should be a pretty high 2nd rounder. Im sure if someone was offering a 1st rounder we would have taken that. I dont think Grabner was realistically worth a 1st rounder though. Rykov was their best D prospect. Rangers may be the SKA Rangers in a few years between Buch, Kovalchuk?, Shestyorkin, and Rykov
Pretty high ? It's going to be like the 20th pick in the second round. But I agree no one was offering a 1st.
I feel like we could have perhaps leveraged a better prospect with no pick or a better pick with no prospect - either of which I think I'd have preferred to this.
But, then again, I don't know what was offered and what wasn't - so I'd really just be guessing.
Pretty high ? It's going to be like the 20th pick in the second round. But I agree no one was offering a 1st.
Of all the interested playoff teams their 2nd rounder is going to be among the best. Im sure Gorton was holding out trying to get a Toronto, Pitt, Dal, Nashville, Boston 1st and it was evident none were going to do it
Rykov has played regularly for SKA as a 19-20 year old
But I've lost faith in my 4 GMs - all of whom suck at building their teams - I'm out of faith when it comes to 'trust them they know what they're doing'
Yet all 4 picking in the top 7-8 this fucking year
Nice writeup - not sure how qualified that person is to evaluate talent, but if those things are true, I'll feel a little better.
I obviously have never seen the kid play and didn't know he existed until 20 minutes ago, so I won't sit here and make a big stink about him one way or another.
Feels like a "meh" return, but maybe we did better than I think.
Now, the real question becomes whether or not we can get him over here.
Unrelated to this, but I gotta say - I really liked what I saw from Georgiev tonight. I want to see a lot more of him this last quarter of the season. Pure evaluation time. Playing him often gets him more NHL experience and keeps unnecessary weight off Hank in meaningless games.
MTL isn't a great measuring stick but he faced a lot of high quality shots because of how horrendous we are defensively and he made some pretty damn impressive saves.
Oh I'm fine with Lundqvist announcing a 'concussion'
But I've lost faith in my 4 GMs - all of whom suck at building their teams - I'm out of faith when it comes to 'trust them they know what they're doing'
Yet all 4 picking in the top 7-8 this fucking year
Players who have played for the Rangers, Islanders, amd Devils. There aren't that many of them -PA Parenteau, Arron Asham, Sergei Nemchinov, John Vanbiesbrouck, maybe a few others
They set the price at a first and a prospect and instead got a second and by all accounts a solid prospect.
Its not a steal, but its a fair return. Rangers now have 5 picks in the first three rounds and will end up with at least 7, and potentially three first rounders.
The NHL is giving the NFL a run for its money when it comes to parity. The top 3 teams from last years draft are all in playoff position this season. Declaring next season lost already is just silly. Nothing that happens on these remaining games is an indicator for next season. Its a dead team on the ice just playing out the string
that for a two year $3mm deal they got 52 goals, then a second rounder and a prospect.
Thats pretty good value. Plenty to be annoyed with Gorton about, but I think he did ok here. For a rental he likely did the best he could do. The fact that they dealt with NJ shows they took the best deal out there
The NHL is giving the NFL a run for its money when it comes to parity. The top 3 teams from last years draft are all in playoff position this season. Declaring next season lost already is just silly. Nothing that happens on these remaining games is an indicator for next season. Its a dead team on the ice just playing out the string
Well you obviously knew the flyers and stars defied odds to get into the top 3. Philly high 80s points last year IIRC. Even Devils were I think 6th and lucked out in the lottery.
It looks like there will be 6 of 16 new teams in the playoffs. 10 teams returning. Tampa one of them and clearly due to injuries last season. Philly made the playoffs two years ago. There is more stability in the playoff field than in football.
Besides the Rangers already sent out a letter that they aren't going to be competitive next year. They talked about trades into the summer. Only way they compete is to go on a massive spending spree this summer - you want that? I don't. Build a core through the draft. Work another year off some of these terrible contracts.
There's no quick fix here. This is not a core group that can win a title. Major rebuild is coming.
The NHL is giving the NFL a run for its money when it comes to parity. The top 3 teams from last years draft are all in playoff position this season. Declaring next season lost already is just silly. Nothing that happens on these remaining games is an indicator for next season. Its a dead team on the ice just playing out the string
Well you obviously knew the flyers and stars defied odds to get into the top 3. Philly high 80s points last year IIRC. Even Devils were I think 6th and lucked out in the lottery.
It looks like there will be 6 of 16 new teams in the playoffs. 10 teams returning. Tampa one of them and clearly due to injuries last season. Philly made the playoffs two years ago. There is more stability in the playoff field than in football.
Besides the Rangers already sent out a letter that they aren't going to be competitive next year. They talked about trades into the summer. Only way they compete is to go on a massive spending spree this summer - you want that? I don't. Build a core through the draft. Work another year off some of these terrible contracts.
There's no quick fix here. This is not a core group that can win a title. Major rebuild is coming.
Sure, the lottery was strange last season. But Colorado had one of the worst teams of all time, got a bad break in the lottery, and they're in playoff contention this season.
My only point is we have no idea what's to come next season. And it can turn around quick
Looking at six picks in the first three rounds, potentially
As I said in another thread. He has first round ability if we can get him here. He will play 10 years as a second pair D. Watch him in various tournaments the kid has skill. Rangers watching his team all the time (goalie).
Tough call on Hayes. There's a lot of skill there. But the coach has essentially turned him into a defense first checking center with about 60% zone starts and limited power play time. I think his style and general aloof nature at times also makes it look like he's not invested or playing hard but that may not be entirely fair.
I'm still a believer though. He has a lot of 5 v 5 primary points. If Lias can become that strong 3rd line center we're expecting, it could free Hayes up for more offensive responsibility.
and they've got to be smart with their RFAs, eg, don't give Hayes $4M per and continue to watch him show up half the time.
Staal and Smith are anchors, potential buyouts teed up with DG's dead money.
I'll be livid if they buyout Smith and Staal. You want to pay 3 guys dead money 3-6 years from now when the team is presumably competing again? Why would you ever buy them out if next year is likely a lost season? Makes zero sense. Frankly I thought girardi last year was dumb too but apparently they thought they compete even after trading Stepan.
And has made the postseason once in the last 7 seasons.
It's not as easy to retool as you say. Like brett says you need a little luck. It does appear that Boston and Philly have done it with as little pain as possible. Each took 2-3 years. Toronto was able to do it in 3-4.
Trying to compete next year would be short sighted IMO. The team needs a bigger gutt job then a couple of tweaks on the margin. Unless Tavares comes begging to play here (doubtful) I would sit this summers FA period out
RE: RE: Looking at six picks in the first three rounds, potentially
and they've got to be smart with their RFAs, eg, don't give Hayes $4M per and continue to watch him show up half the time.
Staal and Smith are anchors, potential buyouts teed up with DG's dead money.
I'll be livid if they buyout Smith and Staal. You want to pay 3 guys dead money 3-6 years from now when the team is presumably competing again? Why would you ever buy them out if next year is likely a lost season? Makes zero sense. Frankly I thought girardi last year was dumb too but apparently they thought they compete even after trading Stepan.
MAB, that's the point I was making (poorly), they already bought out DG which didn't make a ton of sense. Gorton hasn't done much to build confidence that he knows what he's doing trying to build a team.
I certainly don't want to buy them out, nor DG, I should've been clear.
Steve Kournianos
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Rykov is a very good defenseman who can compliment a kid like Skjei or Shattenkirk. Russian/KHL situation likely reason for getting passed over in 2015 and going late in 2016. Excellent first pass, keeps a tight gap and locks down the low slot. Very smart and NHL ready.
Steve Kournianos
@TheDraftAnalyst
Rykov is a very good defenseman who can compliment a kid like Skjei or Shattenkirk. Russian/KHL situation likely reason for getting passed over in 2015 and going late in 2016. Excellent first pass, keeps a tight gap and locks down the low slot. Very smart and NHL ready.
11:16 PM - Feb 22, 2018
Like what I'm reading. As long as his people and the front office are telling him what he wants to hear and he knows there's a clear path to a spot here, I'd like to think we'd see the kid.
Steve Kournianos
@TheDraftAnalyst
Rykov is a very good defenseman who can compliment a kid like Skjei or Shattenkirk. Russian/KHL situation likely reason for getting passed over in 2015 and going late in 2016. Excellent first pass, keeps a tight gap and locks down the low slot. Very smart and NHL ready.
11:16 PM - Feb 22, 2018
Like what I'm reading. As long as his people and the front office are telling him what he wants to hear and he knows there's a clear path to a spot here, I'd like to think we'd see the kid.
MAB, that's the point I was making (poorly), they already bought out DG which didn't make a ton of sense. Gorton hasn't done much to build confidence that he knows what he's doing trying to build a team.
I certainly don't want to buy them out, nor DG, I should've been clear.
Ok got you - on same page.
Truth is when your fucking coach is playing the guy on the top pair in the playoff quarterfinals - and a few weeks later you pay the guy to leave (and put him on 5 years of future Caps) ... and the same thing happened with Richards years ago and with MSL in 2015 (he couldn't get a job that summer after playing on PP1 and line 2 thru the playoffs) -- there is a fundamental incompetence within the organization. I think most of that falls on AV but Gorton either doesn't or is impotent to do anything about it.
And has made the postseason once in the last 7 seasons.
It's not as easy to retool as you say. Like brett says you need a little luck. It does appear that Boston and Philly have done it with as little pain as possible. Each took 2-3 years. Toronto was able to do it in 3-4.
Trying to compete next year would be short sighted IMO. The team needs a bigger gutt job then a couple of tweaks on the margin. Unless Tavares comes begging to play here (doubtful) I would sit this summers FA period out
Fair point. Boston is definitely the model I think the front office is aiming for. They never fully tore it down and bottomed out, made moves with pending UFAs, kept the right core pieces, brought in a new coach, and hit it big with a late first rounder in Pastarnak while Marchand developed into a star. They even made their fair share of mistakes. Their 3 consecutive first round picks in 2015 haven't yielded a whole lot and Barzal was picked immediately after those 3 by the Islanders.
I think a lot depends on what kind of players Lias and Chytil end up being. We've already had some luck with the latter falling to us in the draft due to his age. The numbers he's putting up in the AHL at 18 put him in good company.
Adding those two to, at minimum, a top 5-7 talent in this seasons draft could expedite this rebuild.
Will have a better idea once we see what Mcdonagh goes for as well.
I think the fact that he plays for SKA is big here
#1 because the Rangers have watched plenty of SKA over the past few years because of Shestyorkin and Buchnevich, so they've undoubtedly seen plenty of Rykov. #2 because they have current established dealings with SKA. Would seem to give them a leg up as far as being successful in bringing Rykov over. Plus, he has the prospect of playing alongside two of his former SKA teammates as a Ranger.
Maybe three if we do indeed end up with Kovalchuk :)
I like the direction we're heading in. They're restocking with young talent fairly quickly, which was desperately needed. We really, really need a little luck in this year's draft, though. While the Rangers have some very promising kids, they still don't have the kind of elite superstar talent that wins Cups.
Assuming they won't be lucky enough to pick #1 and get Dahlin (which of course they won't because they're the Rangers), is there anyone else in the draft with that kind of upside? Obviously no one else with Dahlin's upside, but anyone who has true first line talent?
Boston didn't just retool players, they replaced their GM and coach.
Their core is much of the same even with the youth infusion.
Bergeron, Marchand, Pastrnak, Chara, Krejci, Rask, Krug, Spooner, Heinen, etc. were all from the prior regime and are most of the reason the team is successful.
I believe the system change helped more than the player additions.
Sure, guys like McAvoy, Carlo, debrusk and others have contributed, but they're IMO not the major reason for the Bruins turnaround.
I like the direction we're heading in. They're restocking with young talent fairly quickly, which was desperately needed. We really, really need a little luck in this year's draft, though. While the Rangers have some very promising kids, they still don't have the kind of elite superstar talent that wins Cups.
Assuming they won't be lucky enough to pick #1 and get Dahlin (which of course they won't because they're the Rangers), is there anyone else in the draft with that kind of upside? Obviously no one else with Dahlin's upside, but anyone who has true first line talent?
pj can speak more to this, but I believe he's spoken very highly of Svechnikov, Zadina, and Tkachuk, the presumed 2-4 picks after Dahlin. Zadina in particular is really enticing. 7 goals at the WJC for the Czechs. Currently playing in the QMJHL. Getting into the top 4 of this draft looks to be the primary goal
on Brady Tkachuk being my 2nd favorite prospect in this draft, good sized, power forward, sniper shot and grit. More like his father than his brother Matthew who is a good young player in his own right.
Svechnikov and Zadina are insanely skilled, both are in the best case Tarasenko mold IMO. they can stick handle in a phone booth, quick release shots, and just filthy moves. Neither has the toughness of Tkachuk, but that's not their game.
Any of those 4 (with Dahlin) I think is a HR in the draft.
then come a few D.
Quintin Hughes and Adam Boqvist are both solid puck movers, great vision, excellent skating defenseman, but both lack the size I like for D. This is something I personally need to get over I think because the trend in the league is to smaller puck moving D and these two absolutely fit the bill.
If any of you watched the Rangers Habs game last night I think Victor Mete showed how valuable a puck mover can be in today's game. Both Hughes and Boqvist outclass Mete but he competed against them in the World Juniors in January and I see similarities. And Boqvist isn't tiny, he's 5' 11" but Hughes is maybe 5' 9".
However, because I haven't yet gotten past the D size yet, I like Evan Bouchard a little more than them. Bouchard has a cannot shot, and is also a power play QB, just not quite the same from a vision standpoint or passing as Hughes and Boqvist, but I think he'll hold up better in corner battles and provide a better net front presence. Plus Bouchard is a RHD (like Boqvist).
So that's my top 7, if you get in that group and maybe add Oliver Wahlstrom a decent sized USNDT forward who can I think play legit two way C in the NHL you have 8 blue chip prospects.
The top 4 being IMO all better than Hischier/Patrick
and Dahlin being a generational talent, like the equivalent of McDavid on D, so call him Erik Karlsson 2.0.
Travis Yost is reporting on Twitter that Tampa and Ottawa are bringing 1 and 2 additional teams to try to complete a Karlsson trade. Tampa would get Karlsson and the additional team(s) would be used to take on shit contracts (Bobby Ryan).
get compensated unless they're a team like the Coyotes who need salary to reach the floor.
draft picks? Doesn't seem like much reason to take on that awful contract.
and I don't know if the Coyotes still need salary to reach the floor, I remember they acquired Chris Pronger (LOL) who hasn't played in what seems like a decade to reach the floor.
on Brady Tkachuk being my 2nd favorite prospect in this draft, good sized, power forward, sniper shot and grit. More like his father than his brother Matthew who is a good young player in his own right.
Svechnikov and Zadina are insanely skilled, both are in the best case Tarasenko mold IMO. they can stick handle in a phone booth, quick release shots, and just filthy moves. Neither has the toughness of Tkachuk, but that's not their game.
Any of those 4 (with Dahlin) I think is a HR in the draft.
then come a few D.
Quintin Hughes and Adam Boqvist are both solid puck movers, great vision, excellent skating defenseman, but both lack the size I like for D. This is something I personally need to get over I think because the trend in the league is to smaller puck moving D and these two absolutely fit the bill.
If any of you watched the Rangers Habs game last night I think Victor Mete showed how valuable a puck mover can be in today's game. Both Hughes and Boqvist outclass Mete but he competed against them in the World Juniors in January and I see similarities. And Boqvist isn't tiny, he's 5' 11" but Hughes is maybe 5' 9".
However, because I haven't yet gotten past the D size yet, I like Evan Bouchard a little more than them. Bouchard has a cannot shot, and is also a power play QB, just not quite the same from a vision standpoint or passing as Hughes and Boqvist, but I think he'll hold up better in corner battles and provide a better net front presence. Plus Bouchard is a RHD (like Boqvist).
So that's my top 7, if you get in that group and maybe add Oliver Wahlstrom a decent sized USNDT forward who can I think play legit two way C in the NHL you have 8 blue chip prospects.
The top 4 being IMO all better than Hischier/Patrick
and Dahlin being a generational talent, like the equivalent of McDavid on D, so call him Erik Karlsson 2.0.
More than Hughes, I like what I have seen from Dobson and Hayton
compensation through draft picks. If you're serious about tanking for a couple years it's not a bad idea. There's going to be compliance buyouts at the upcoming lockout in 2020.
on Brady Tkachuk being my 2nd favorite prospect in this draft, good sized, power forward, sniper shot and grit. More like his father than his brother Matthew who is a good young player in his own right.
Svechnikov and Zadina are insanely skilled, both are in the best case Tarasenko mold IMO. they can stick handle in a phone booth, quick release shots, and just filthy moves. Neither has the toughness of Tkachuk, but that's not their game.
Any of those 4 (with Dahlin) I think is a HR in the draft.
then come a few D.
Quintin Hughes and Adam Boqvist are both solid puck movers, great vision, excellent skating defenseman, but both lack the size I like for D. This is something I personally need to get over I think because the trend in the league is to smaller puck moving D and these two absolutely fit the bill.
If any of you watched the Rangers Habs game last night I think Victor Mete showed how valuable a puck mover can be in today's game. Both Hughes and Boqvist outclass Mete but he competed against them in the World Juniors in January and I see similarities. And Boqvist isn't tiny, he's 5' 11" but Hughes is maybe 5' 9".
However, because I haven't yet gotten past the D size yet, I like Evan Bouchard a little more than them. Bouchard has a cannot shot, and is also a power play QB, just not quite the same from a vision standpoint or passing as Hughes and Boqvist, but I think he'll hold up better in corner battles and provide a better net front presence. Plus Bouchard is a RHD (like Boqvist).
So that's my top 7, if you get in that group and maybe add Oliver Wahlstrom a decent sized USNDT forward who can I think play legit two way C in the NHL you have 8 blue chip prospects.
The top 4 being IMO all better than Hischier/Patrick
and Dahlin being a generational talent, like the equivalent of McDavid on D, so call him Erik Karlsson 2.0.
More than Hughes, I like what I have seen from Dobson and Hayton
I like Dobson too - since I prefer bigger D, I could swap him in for one of the other D and not sacrifice anything.
I haven't seen much of Hayton to have an opinion. I only saw him at the U18 tourney in August and he was good. Just haven't seen enough.
top 3 C of Crosby, Malkin, and Brassard is unfair, combine that with fat boy Kessel and their other pieces like Hagelin, Guentzel, Rust, Hornqvist (when he comes back) they're going to be tough again this spring.
top 3 C of Crosby, Malkin, and Brassard is unfair, combine that with fat boy Kessel and their other pieces like Hagelin, Guentzel, Rust, Hornqvist (when he comes back) they're going to be tough again this spring.
top 3 C of Crosby, Malkin, and Brassard is unfair, combine that with fat boy Kessel and their other pieces like Hagelin, Guentzel, Rust, Hornqvist (when he comes back) they're going to be tough again this spring.
Yeah brassard has another year on his deal and centers return more than wings especially this year. Also keep in mind we don't know what playoff teams Nash has on his NTC limiting his market.
Hopefully we get a one ... but might be two twos.... whoever gets him is going to be very very pleased in may. Guaranteed 10 goal playoff. Rinse. Repeat.
However, the Rangers badly wanted a defensive prospect. The Penguins have wonderful goaltending prospects and a couple of quality forward prospects, namely Daniel Sprong. However, they're relatively thin in terms of top-tier blue line prospects, which made such a trade possibility a poor match.
Yeah brassard has another year on his deal and centers return more than wings especially this year. Also keep in mind we don't know what playoff teams Nash has on his NTC limiting his market.
Hopefully we get a one ... but might be two twos.... whoever gets him is going to be very very pleased in may. Guaranteed 10 goal playoff. Rinse. Repeat.
10 goals? Is that Rick Nash or some other Nash? :-)
but seriously, I'm skeptical of getting a # 1 for Nash. He's one of the all time playoff gaggers, scores at less that half the rate he does in the regular season.
To date, he avgs .414 GPG in the reg season, .195 GPG in the playoffs.
but seriously, I'm skeptical of getting a # 1 for Nash. He's one of the all time playoff gaggers, scores at less that half the rate he does in the regular season.
To date, he avgs .414 GPG in the reg season, .195 GPG in the playoffs.
He can still be quite valuable for a team that's not relying on him as a primary scoring option, though, because he's so versatile. A contender could park him on the third line and feel confident of getting good all-around play and he can contribute to special teams. And, if he got hot and starts potting a bunch of goals, then that's just a bonus.
Isn't Brassard a better asset than Nash or am I wrong?
I'd be surprised if Nash doesn't fetch a #1. But the Brassard deal dampens my optimism that we can get much more.
For sure. Nash is just a rental, while Pittsburgh has Brassard for next year as well.
Yes, that pick is gonna end up 25-30, but Gustavsson is a good goaltending prospect, and Ian Cole they should be able to flip to another team for further picks.
I think Nash will definitely return some value, maybe not quite what's expected, but he's a solid 3 zone player, that plays all phases.
Isn't Brassard a better asset than Nash or am I wrong?
I'd be surprised if Nash doesn't fetch a #1. But the Brassard deal dampens my optimism that we can get much more.
He is because of the extra year - but worse players than Nash have fetched 1's as rentals and there's no reason why we shouldn't be getting that for him.
If we can't even get a 1 for Nash, I think Gorton is doing a bad job.
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If you're the Bruins, would you trade a package highlighted by DeBrusk, Carlo and this year's first round pick (if the Bruins make the Cup final) for Mats Zuccarello and Ryan McDonagh?
55% of Bruins fans say no (out of 1000 votes)
I think they're crazy. I do that in a heartbeat. I like DeBrusk, Carlo was great, but has been scuffling, and a 1st round pick is a 1st round pick.
blood clots are some scary shit, great to see him out there. Not sure why they have him back this year if they're trying to tank but whatever. Go Wild.
First they are gifted every teams 3rd line center or wing and 2nd pair damn.
Now this. What the fuck is in this deal for them ? Is it some weird IOU for fleury? A 4th round pick and a goon is worth $2 million (actually more than that since they pick up some this year too) Wtf. Why does Pittsburgh keep having other teams pick up their tab for good players - kessel now this. Isn't Crosby playing at literally half his fucking market value enough already?
I really think we have a shot of getting into the top 5 here.
Detroit is only a point behind us with 2 in hand - MTL and EDM are 5 pts back with 2 games in hand.
Falling behind OTT/VAN will probably not happen, and there's no chance we'll fall behind BUF/ARZ - but there's a very good chance that DET/MTL/EDM can pass us.
We have 20 games left - I truly do not see us winning more than 4-5 of them.
The players we are putting out there now are AWFUL. The Rangers look like an olympic team from a country with zero hockey background. We don't score, we can't defend - this team does nothing well now with our best players either shelved or about to be traded.
We'll be lucky to win 5 more games. I don't think we will.
Just keep losing!
RE: Vegas is quickly becoming one of my most hated franchises
First they are gifted every teams 3rd line center or wing and 2nd pair damn.
Now this. What the fuck is in this deal for them ? Is it some weird IOU for fleury? A 4th round pick and a goon is worth $2 million (actually more than that since they pick up some this year too) Wtf. Why does Pittsburgh keep having other teams pick up their tab for good players - kessel now this. Isn't Crosby playing at literally half his fucking market value enough already?
Not sure if I believe it, but I saw some stuff on Twitter that VGK did it to keep Brassard in the east. Evidently there was a deal with a WC team if the numbers with Pit didnt fit.
Head to heads with Detroit (home and they are on a back to back), Vancouver and Edmonton. It's critical we lose all 3 of these preferably in regulation. I still don't understand how the fuck Edmonton is in this conversation.
Not sure why Kreider is back. It seems like it's ahead of schedule off an internal surgery and may just end up moving us back in the draft.
If we can get to the final 16 games - 10 against this division with most playing for something - at 60 points or less we've got a good shot at top 4-5
First they are gifted every teams 3rd line center or wing and 2nd pair damn.
Now this. What the fuck is in this deal for them ? Is it some weird IOU for fleury? A 4th round pick and a goon is worth $2 million (actually more than that since they pick up some this year too) Wtf. Why does Pittsburgh keep having other teams pick up their tab for good players - kessel now this. Isn't Crosby playing at literally half his fucking market value enough already?
They have a bunch of cap space so essentially they get Reaves and a 4th rounder for helping out. Not to mention it keeps Brassard in the Eastern Conference.
Trades a 3rd rd pick for Brandon Davidson who was waived by oilers 3 months ago.
Waived by Montreal. 2019 3rd Round pick. He is a warm body with size. Would rather see what he has than Denis Seidenberg. What is infuriating is Nick "-33" Leddy. The Islanders have D-men who are in double digits on the positive side of the +/- ledger so how the hell is Nick Leddy so low?
I feel like TB could really use McDonagh. Another quote on Nash to the B's.
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Bruins don't have much salary cap space. Rangers would need to retain a chunk of Nash's contract, and that alone might still be tough to pull off. #nomore3waysplease
Friedman on HNIC: "I think the belief is Pacioretty wants to go."
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Kypreos follows this up by saying that the LA Kings are pushing hard for Pacioretty. Says #Habs have asked for guys like Tanner Pearson / Tyler Toffoli in return.
trade is mentioned in it's own thread. I'd be slightly disappointed as a Rangers fan with the return. Spooner doesn't crack the Rangers top 6 (depending who they retain), Beleskey is an AHL player, but a 1st is a 1st, so I woukdn't complain too much.
I do like Lindgren a lot though, MTL has his brother Charlie (a goalie), Ryan reminds me a little of McAvoy. Not quite as smooth, but certainly a young upgrade over the current Rangers D (I'd have him over Pionk an Deangelo right now).
Other trades:
Plekanec to TOR (rumored to be returning to MTL this off-season), for a 2nd and some spare change.
Letestu from EDM to the Blue Jackets (I think this for CBJ)
Aberg from NSH to EDM
NSH gets a 4th - I believe the above was a 3-team trade.
Activity heating up, one thing I read is under no circumstances is Lundqvist going anywhere and he's starting tonight vs DET.
I know people get caught up in a rebuild, but he's got another year left and who do you replace him with?
rebuild or retool?
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Sense around the league is that #NYR will likely unload D Ryan McDonagh before market for #CBJ Jack Johnson picks up. No guarantee #CBJ trade him, even if he remains unsigned. Very fluid situation; could go either way.
I think they'd love to upgrade on D. not a vet depth guy, the already sit Mueller and have Santini in the minors. More like using those type guys and packaging them for a D upgrade.
has earned the right to tell NYR no though imo. If he realizes its his last year and he wants to be traded for a shot at the cup then I think thats the only way Hank is moved. It will be on his terms.
But NYR seem to have made the decision to move on. I understand the logic with a new contract coming up. I just wish they'd been this logical when Girardi and Staal were coming up for new deals.
Hank keeps reiterating that he will not waive the NMC and will only play hockey in NY. Hes earned it but I cant imagine wanting to get shelled every night for the rest of your contract with all hopes of winning a Stanley Cup gone
I mean they were a better team than Ottawa last year and could easily have been playing for a cup, so they really couldn't go full rebuild while they still have contention expectations.
And in the process of doing this they managed to add 4 (so far) 1st round picks and the first two look like solid pieces to potential HR's.
It's hard to rebuild when you're a contender, but so far hard to argue with Gorton's results. He's got 2 centers in the wings. Needs some D.
look like they're making a run, adding some sandpaper here. Not sure Bollig was the best option though, I don't think he's been in the NHL for a couple years.
Cost the preds a 6th round pick.
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Trade: #Preds acquire forward Brandon Bollig and goaltender Troy Grosenick from #SJSharks.
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As expected, CAN Olympian Chris Kelly has agreed to terms on a contract for the balance of this season with ANA. It will be worth $1.25M pro rated plus bonuses.
Also, reported on another thread the Bruins signed Brian Gionta. Not sure why, he looked cooked in the Olympics. Against lesser competition, but in fairness he was also playing with lesser competition.
Bergeron is in a walking boot, but I think I read he's day to day with an LBI. So I doubt Gionta is related to that.
The Canadiens have 4 2nd round picks this year (so far) in addition to their 1st round pick so below is a tweet from a habs beat writer about NHL success in those draft spots (not MTL success, but overall NHL success (which is obviously variable in definition).
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Habs Draft Spots and NHL success rate at that spot.
5th=95%
36th=30%
38th=30%
56th=15%
57th=15%
2nd rounders much harder to land than ppl think.
From 2013, theres only one regular in NHL. Lehkonen.
yeah, 2nd and 3rd rounders certainly take more time to develop and like any sport the hit rate is a lot lower... but 2013 cut-off seems a little short sighted considering for lots of these 17-18 year olds, you're waiting until year 4 (this year) to see a return.
2011 NHL draft - 2nd round - was tremendous. Kucherov, Jenner, Gibson, Saad, Granlund, Edmundson. Other guys turning in decent careers - Ritchie, Rask, etc.
yeah, 2nd and 3rd rounders certainly take more time to develop and like any sport the hit rate is a lot lower... but 2013 cut-off seems a little short sighted considering for lots of these 17-18 year olds, you're waiting until year 4 (this year) to see a return.
2011 NHL draft - 2nd round - was tremendous. Kucherov, Jenner, Gibson, Saad, Granlund, Edmundson. Other guys turning in decent careers - Ritchie, Rask, etc.
Fair, I posted this in the Grabner trade thread and it was off the top of my head (I don't know every single one of these guys. Point was that 2nd round is maybe a 10 - 15% chance of a player becoming an NHL regular. And that's the 2nd round.
5 all-stars since 2009 from the 2nd round by my count.
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2012:
Pontus Aberg (LW)
Colton Sissons (C)
both on NSH, and both barely NHL regulars at 24 years old. Neither are stars
2013:
Artturi Lehkonen (LW) (and this is a stretch)
2014:
None (too soon)
So I'll go back a little:
2011:
Boone Jenner (C)
John Gibson (G)
Brandon Saad (LW)
Markus Granland (C) (on his 2nd team)
Victor Rask (C)
Joel Edmundson (D)
William Karlsson (C) - where did this year's success come from?
2009:
Ryan O"Reilly (C)
Kyle Clifford (LW)
Jakob Silfverberg (RW)
Robin Lehner (G)
Brian Dumolin (D)
Richard Panik (LW)
Dmitry Orlov (D)
Tomas Tatar (C)
basically you have about a 10% chance of a 2nd round pick making the NHL as a regular player IMO, these are all off my scans of the draft results, I don't know every player, so I made the best guess I could. It's possible I missed someone.
five all-stars I believe, since 2009 from the 2nd round.
If you go back to 2007 you can get PK Subban and 2008 you can get Roman Josi, but not much more by going back more.
Are there players Gordon feels are the "core" of the future?
Gordon said "everyone is on the table". In theory that is always true. Wayne Gretsky at his prime could have been bought if a franchise offered its entire drafts for the next decade (being facetious here to make a point).
So the statement "everyone is on the table" is a non-statement because, in theory, everyone is always on the table depending upon the offer. However, the actual reality is obviously different than theory. In reality, are there current players Gordon considers to be the "core of the future"? If so, who?
(and which are "definite core" and which are one level below as "likely core")?
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Filip Chytil
Lias Andersson
Alexandar Georgiev
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Pavel Buchnevich
Brady Skjei
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Mika Zibanejad
Chris Kreider
J.T. Miller
Jimmy Vesey
On my list, I listed them in the sequence in which I believe they represent core value moving forward. In other words, the top three are Chytil-Andersson-Georgiev. Next Buchnevich-Skjei. And then Zibanejad-Kreider-Miller-Vesey.
That's only 9 players (1 goalie and 1 D). Are there others that you believe are (in reality) safe and considered by Gordon to be part of the future? Are there players in my groupings you believe are, in reality, not part of the future core?
you've also got a bunch of guys with 2-3 years left on their deals too -- most if not all of these guys that are likely immovable.
Staal
Smith
Shattenkirk
Lundqvist
now Beleskey
...but no doubt we need to get lucky in this upcoming lottery and i honestly think their plan is to aim for a top 5 pick next draft too.
Which is why i'm fine bringing on bad contracts (accompanied by picks) with ~two years left on their deals with teams up against their caps or otherwise looking to save money on bad deals (Florida is always a team looking to shed payroll)
From there, you can start to rebuild. So the question becomes, do you keep that third tier of players you listed around hoping to be contributing members coming out of this rebuild in 3 years? I'm also not sure that all of them can be retained under the cap. I'm fine dealing some of them this summer.
My main concern is Sather won't let this rebuild run its proper course and will rush to put out a marketable product sooner rather than later - dooming us to more of the same 'good but not good enough' that has plagued this building for 30 years.
Shestyorkin will be Hank's successor, not Georgiev.
On the big club, I don't think anyone is untouchable. Buchnevich would be the closest to it.
Greg, I confused Georgiev with Shestyorkin. I hadn't read anything about Georgiev being called up and just assumed he must be the Russian successor to Hank.
the NHL trade deadline is a week from yesterday (Monday 2/26), but based on prior history, most trades will happen between now and the weekend.
not many names have traded places on the actual deadline the past few years.
Not that I expected Nick Holden to fetch much of anything anyway. I'm assuming O'Gara is a turd.
no clue on the Bruins D, I read he's an RFA after the season.
I will have to ask some family friends on more insight, they know everything about the local hockey scene.
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Could this deal be a setup for another deal?
Off to a good start...
Figure he's third paid/extra defenseman for Boston, and he's fine for that role. We did well to get anything in return. Though the fact that our "first pair" defenseman only bring back this return just further exemplifies the evaluation problems this coach has.
I think Buchnevich was the only 3rd rounder we really "hit" on in the last 20 years or so. The vast majority never even got to the NHL level or had any sort of impact.
Odds are very low on 3rd rders. But obviously I'll take it.
But yeah obviously the big unknowns here are Nash and McDonaugh. Is the latter seriously hurt or are they just preserving him for trade ?
...and of course continuing to lose and hopefully move up the lottery pool. Maybe Dolan even gets lucky in one of his leagues for once since 1985 or whatever and wins. Nah.
I imagine the trade talk between the teams started with McDonagh, Boston probably found the price too high and then inquired on Holden (no source for this, just a guess).
Plus, they got 1.65 years of his service too.
not really. Slats is still there. AV is still there. Dolan still owns the Garden.
It's interesting, because I am hearing the same arguments about Pacioretty. He, like McDonagh, has another year on his deal. Both team friendly.
the argument for holding them to the draft is it opens up more potential trade partners (NMC/NTC not with standing). Where as at the deadline the pool of potential trade partners is limited to contenders.
Furthermore, players like McDonagh and Pacioretty you'd want young ready to contribute players back (in addition to picks), so you run the risk of a contender not being willing to part with young highly regarded players because they might be counting on them down the stretch.
So, you wait until the draft, and that's the camp I used to be in.
The counter point is teams who were contenders at the deadline might consider making more players available at the draft since they are potentially entering the final year of their deals like an Erik Karlsson or Noah Hanifin for example (though Karlsson might be a bad example since the Senators are not contenders), so there could be more options available at the draft than at the deadline.
Now I don't know what to think.
I still think I lean toward the draft being better, because McDonagh and Pacioretty (two examples) are not so old they would be good rentals, they're players to sign and build around.
It had better be as a replacement for Sproul, not Gilmour, Pionk, or DeAngelo
It had better be as a replacement for Sproul, not Gilmour, Pionk, or DeAngelo
Eh we're tanking who cares. AV seems to be good at this. I trust his "winning" intuition
I am surprised they traded a younger player for a guy that I am reading is a free agent at year's end, and won't make that big of an impact - meaning, I am wondering if he is even able to crack the B's top 6. I suspect he wouldn't.
Chara/McAvoy
Krug/Carlo
Miller/Grezlyck
McQuaid.
O'Gara is an RFA after the season too, so maybe the Bruins figured they're not going to re-sign him so see what Holden does in a different system?
little bit of a head scratcher from the Bruins angle unless someone is hurt.
O'Gara is an RFA after the season too, so maybe the Bruins figured they're not going to re-sign him so see what Holden does in a different system?
little bit of a head scratcher from the Bruins angle unless someone is hurt.
PJ - didn't realize he was a free agent....so yeah I get it. Looking for someone who could step in and help.
Carlo has struggled a bit, the B's are leading the league in GA I believe, or close, but leaking a bit of oil right now.
Getting Miller back should help. He's really improved after moving to his more natural side apparently.
Flyers were down to Lyon. They also called up Oskar Lindblom, one of their top offensive prospects.
AV got traded?
I am surprised they traded a younger player for a guy that I am reading is a free agent at year's end, and won't make that big of an impact - meaning, I am wondering if he is even able to crack the B's top 6. I suspect he wouldn't.
Chara/McAvoy
Krug/Carlo
Miller/Grezlyck
McQuaid.
Seems a lot to give up, but ZC looks gassed, McA may be health, TK is small, BC has played poorly, KM needs to get stretched out, G is meh, McQ has a med issue too, and injuries are talked down, Providence guys are emergency fills, and the D is not physically overwhelming. Or, as someone wrote, could be injury or another trade in the works.
I liked him, older rookie, but decent depth guy.
I read a stat that said over the past few years, very few trades occur on the deadline (Monday) and the bulk of the transactions will happen between now and Sunday.
Rumors heating up on Karlsson from what I have been reading.
Karlsson's health more than anything else would give me pause. I'd pay the price if I was a contender.
top 3 best NHL defenseman in his prime, under contract another year.
If they dangle Daniel Sprong I think the Rangers do it in a heartbeat.
You guys are destroying the integrity of the sport with your obvious tanking.
Contract.
At the least take away the first round pick.
MTL has one of the best Assistant GM's in the game from a talent evaluation standpoint (Trevor Timmins), I hope he's the GM before Bergevin makes this pick.
agree, but he has a torn tendon in his foot, I'm not a medical expert obviously, but that doesn't sound like something that heals with rest. I think he probably tried to play through it not realizing the severity (and although they had a rough start the season clearly wasn't lost by November) and he didn't tell anyone how bad the pain was and then the team sat on it with their own medical staff before sending him to a specialist (which just happened last weekend).
MTL has one of the best Assistant GM's in the game from a talent evaluation standpoint (Trevor Timmins), I hope he's the GM before Bergevin makes this pick.
Montreal is really an org living off its past. Done nothing since 93.
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Rangers embraced the tank far more than MTL, I didn't see a letter to the fans from Geoff Molson or Mark Bergevin.
MTL has one of the best Assistant GM's in the game from a talent evaluation standpoint (Trevor Timmins), I hope he's the GM before Bergevin makes this pick.
Montreal is really an org living off its past. Done nothing since 93.
Yeah, that whole one year beyond that when the Rangers won the SC and one other SCF appearance since then (which the Rangers beat the Canadiens to advance to) surely establish the Rangers as hockey royalty. Congratulations for being such a model franchise that all other teams aspire to be.
your other teams may have it over Montreal but I wouldn't say the Rangers do.
I know, I said his other team(s) have it over MTL. I wsn't sure if it was just Penguins or maybe Blackhawks or Kings too.
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until there's no other option, even if it means missing games.
agree, but he has a torn tendon in his foot, I'm not a medical expert obviously, but that doesn't sound like something that heals with rest. I think he probably tried to play through it not realizing the severity (and although they had a rough start the season clearly wasn't lost by November) and he didn't tell anyone how bad the pain was and then the team sat on it with their own medical staff before sending him to a specialist (which just happened last weekend).
It could be, diagnosing such an injury isn't always clear cut without going in there, I've been there (with other body parts).
If they're going to deal with that repulsive organization, they had better get absolute top dollar. Doing anything to help that team makes my stomach churn.
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If they're going to deal with that repulsive organization, they had better get absolute top dollar. Doing anything to help that team makes my stomach churn.
Friedman specifically mentioned Daniel Sprong, I'd do that in a heartbeat. Sprong is a fast, skilled, sniper who is 20 years old.
He's outscoring Chytil in the AHL (granted Chytil is 2 ywars younger, but Sprong was a 2nd round pick). And he's not a C, but is reportedly defensively sound (won't claim to have witnessed that), but if they offer Sprong for Grabner you send Grabner on the next flight.
Sprong is the kind of player I'd target in a Grabner trade.
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3h3 hours ago
Action definitely picking up on Rangers' Grabner. Cheap cap hit. Teams coming harder at NYR today it seems...
What Steve Yzerman won't be doing is dealing from his current lineup, so the likes of Mikhail Sergachev and Brayden Point won't be going anywhere. #TBLightning @TB_Times #NHLTradeDeadline @TBTimes_JSmith
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Neither Rick Nash nor Michael Grabner will play for #NYR tonight. Team closing in deals, so right now, this is just precautionary. Lettieri and Carey will be in.
4:59 PM - Feb 22, 2018
Well if the Rangers are holding out Nash and Grabner need to try and get in the Dahlin battle.
I do like that MTL called up Lindgren. He looks like a legit future backup. If Niemi starts tonight it means MTL wants to lose. He's about as nimble as an ice berg in net.
Hopefully MTL holds out Pacioretty, Galchenyuk and Drouin too just to make sure.
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3h3 hours ago
NYI and pending UFA forward Josh Bailey are closing in on a multi-year contract extension. Still finalizing some details but likely to be an AAV of around $5M with a term of five or six years. #TradeCentre
What were the odds of this goalie matchup taking place February 22nd back in October.
Let this kid keep getting starts. No need to keep beating up Hank in a lost season.
The team we are icing now is truly awful - I don't see us winning more than 5 games the rest of the way.
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Anyway we're not one or even two players away ... this is going to take a few years. I'm worried Dolan will never let a 'process' play out. His ticket prices are too high.
This is a putrid hockey team now. We can't score, we suck defensively.
We are 3-12 in our last 15 games and we're only going to get worse now without Nash, Grabner and Mac (assuming they're dealt)
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Hearing Grabner has been traded to the Devils. Stay tuned.
10:27 PM - 22 Feb 2018
Meh.
Gotta get a 1st rd pick for Nash.
I'd just have assumed gotten vegas' 2nd rounder. Disappointing if true.
Based on my recent conversation with Devils assistant GM Tom Fitzgerald, here's what I've got on D Yegor Rykov: (20, 6-2, 205, St. Petersburg SKA, KHL) Poised puck mover but must be more agile. Not leaving KHL soon. (Acquired: 2016 draft, 132nd overall)
Underwhelming.
Fire him next summer if you want but next year is certainly a lost year. The development / ascension years start when these lousy contracts roll off - Staal, smith, even lundqvist - in 2021.
Pretty high ? It's going to be like the 20th pick in the second round. But I agree no one was offering a 1st.
But, then again, I don't know what was offered and what wasn't - so I'd really just be guessing.
Pretty high ? It's going to be like the 20th pick in the second round. But I agree no one was offering a 1st.
Of all the interested playoff teams their 2nd rounder is going to be among the best. Im sure Gorton was holding out trying to get a Toronto, Pitt, Dal, Nashville, Boston 1st and it was evident none were going to do it
Saw this in the BSB comments. I can't say I know who this is, but it's encouraging
Yet all 4 picking in the top 7-8 this fucking year
I obviously have never seen the kid play and didn't know he existed until 20 minutes ago, so I won't sit here and make a big stink about him one way or another.
Feels like a "meh" return, but maybe we did better than I think.
Now, the real question becomes whether or not we can get him over here.
Unrelated to this, but I gotta say - I really liked what I saw from Georgiev tonight. I want to see a lot more of him this last quarter of the season. Pure evaluation time. Playing him often gets him more NHL experience and keeps unnecessary weight off Hank in meaningless games.
MTL isn't a great measuring stick but he faced a lot of high quality shots because of how horrendous we are defensively and he made some pretty damn impressive saves.
Yet all 4 picking in the top 7-8 this fucking year
Look at the bright side, the Mets suck.
Its not a steal, but its a fair return. Rangers now have 5 picks in the first three rounds and will end up with at least 7, and potentially three first rounders.
The NHL is giving the NFL a run for its money when it comes to parity. The top 3 teams from last years draft are all in playoff position this season. Declaring next season lost already is just silly. Nothing that happens on these remaining games is an indicator for next season. Its a dead team on the ice just playing out the string
Thats pretty good value. Plenty to be annoyed with Gorton about, but I think he did ok here. For a rental he likely did the best he could do. The fact that they dealt with NJ shows they took the best deal out there
The NHL is giving the NFL a run for its money when it comes to parity. The top 3 teams from last years draft are all in playoff position this season. Declaring next season lost already is just silly. Nothing that happens on these remaining games is an indicator for next season. Its a dead team on the ice just playing out the string
Well you obviously knew the flyers and stars defied odds to get into the top 3. Philly high 80s points last year IIRC. Even Devils were I think 6th and lucked out in the lottery.
It looks like there will be 6 of 16 new teams in the playoffs. 10 teams returning. Tampa one of them and clearly due to injuries last season. Philly made the playoffs two years ago. There is more stability in the playoff field than in football.
Besides the Rangers already sent out a letter that they aren't going to be competitive next year. They talked about trades into the summer. Only way they compete is to go on a massive spending spree this summer - you want that? I don't. Build a core through the draft. Work another year off some of these terrible contracts.
There's no quick fix here. This is not a core group that can win a title. Major rebuild is coming.
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The NHL is giving the NFL a run for its money when it comes to parity. The top 3 teams from last years draft are all in playoff position this season. Declaring next season lost already is just silly. Nothing that happens on these remaining games is an indicator for next season. Its a dead team on the ice just playing out the string
Well you obviously knew the flyers and stars defied odds to get into the top 3. Philly high 80s points last year IIRC. Even Devils were I think 6th and lucked out in the lottery.
It looks like there will be 6 of 16 new teams in the playoffs. 10 teams returning. Tampa one of them and clearly due to injuries last season. Philly made the playoffs two years ago. There is more stability in the playoff field than in football.
Besides the Rangers already sent out a letter that they aren't going to be competitive next year. They talked about trades into the summer. Only way they compete is to go on a massive spending spree this summer - you want that? I don't. Build a core through the draft. Work another year off some of these terrible contracts.
There's no quick fix here. This is not a core group that can win a title. Major rebuild is coming.
Sure, the lottery was strange last season. But Colorado had one of the worst teams of all time, got a bad break in the lottery, and they're in playoff contention this season.
My only point is we have no idea what's to come next season. And it can turn around quick
Staal and Smith are anchors, potential buyouts teed up with DG's dead money.
Tough call on Hayes. There's a lot of skill there. But the coach has essentially turned him into a defense first checking center with about 60% zone starts and limited power play time. I think his style and general aloof nature at times also makes it look like he's not invested or playing hard but that may not be entirely fair.
I'm still a believer though. He has a lot of 5 v 5 primary points. If Lias can become that strong 3rd line center we're expecting, it could free Hayes up for more offensive responsibility.
Staal and Smith are anchors, potential buyouts teed up with DG's dead money.
I'll be livid if they buyout Smith and Staal. You want to pay 3 guys dead money 3-6 years from now when the team is presumably competing again? Why would you ever buy them out if next year is likely a lost season? Makes zero sense. Frankly I thought girardi last year was dumb too but apparently they thought they compete even after trading Stepan.
Kyle, I think Hayes is a 2C who needs heavy offensive zone starts to flourish.
It's not as easy to retool as you say. Like brett says you need a little luck. It does appear that Boston and Philly have done it with as little pain as possible. Each took 2-3 years. Toronto was able to do it in 3-4.
Trying to compete next year would be short sighted IMO. The team needs a bigger gutt job then a couple of tweaks on the margin. Unless Tavares comes begging to play here (doubtful) I would sit this summers FA period out
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and they've got to be smart with their RFAs, eg, don't give Hayes $4M per and continue to watch him show up half the time.
Staal and Smith are anchors, potential buyouts teed up with DG's dead money.
I'll be livid if they buyout Smith and Staal. You want to pay 3 guys dead money 3-6 years from now when the team is presumably competing again? Why would you ever buy them out if next year is likely a lost season? Makes zero sense. Frankly I thought girardi last year was dumb too but apparently they thought they compete even after trading Stepan.
MAB, that's the point I was making (poorly), they already bought out DG which didn't make a ton of sense. Gorton hasn't done much to build confidence that he knows what he's doing trying to build a team.
I certainly don't want to buy them out, nor DG, I should've been clear.
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Rykov is a very good defenseman who can compliment a kid like Skjei or Shattenkirk. Russian/KHL situation likely reason for getting passed over in 2015 and going late in 2016. Excellent first pass, keeps a tight gap and locks down the low slot. Very smart and NHL ready.
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Rykov is a very good defenseman who can compliment a kid like Skjei or Shattenkirk. Russian/KHL situation likely reason for getting passed over in 2015 and going late in 2016. Excellent first pass, keeps a tight gap and locks down the low slot. Very smart and NHL ready.
11:16 PM - Feb 22, 2018
Like what I'm reading. As long as his people and the front office are telling him what he wants to hear and he knows there's a clear path to a spot here, I'd like to think we'd see the kid.
https://dobberprospects.com/yegor-rykov/
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Rykov is a very good defenseman who can compliment a kid like Skjei or Shattenkirk. Russian/KHL situation likely reason for getting passed over in 2015 and going late in 2016. Excellent first pass, keeps a tight gap and locks down the low slot. Very smart and NHL ready.
11:16 PM - Feb 22, 2018
Like what I'm reading. As long as his people and the front office are telling him what he wants to hear and he knows there's a clear path to a spot here, I'd like to think we'd see the kid.
https://dobberprospects.com/yegor-rykov/
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MAB, that's the point I was making (poorly), they already bought out DG which didn't make a ton of sense. Gorton hasn't done much to build confidence that he knows what he's doing trying to build a team.
I certainly don't want to buy them out, nor DG, I should've been clear.
Ok got you - on same page.
Truth is when your fucking coach is playing the guy on the top pair in the playoff quarterfinals - and a few weeks later you pay the guy to leave (and put him on 5 years of future Caps) ... and the same thing happened with Richards years ago and with MSL in 2015 (he couldn't get a job that summer after playing on PP1 and line 2 thru the playoffs) -- there is a fundamental incompetence within the organization. I think most of that falls on AV but Gorton either doesn't or is impotent to do anything about it.
It's not as easy to retool as you say. Like brett says you need a little luck. It does appear that Boston and Philly have done it with as little pain as possible. Each took 2-3 years. Toronto was able to do it in 3-4.
Trying to compete next year would be short sighted IMO. The team needs a bigger gutt job then a couple of tweaks on the margin. Unless Tavares comes begging to play here (doubtful) I would sit this summers FA period out
Fair point. Boston is definitely the model I think the front office is aiming for. They never fully tore it down and bottomed out, made moves with pending UFAs, kept the right core pieces, brought in a new coach, and hit it big with a late first rounder in Pastarnak while Marchand developed into a star. They even made their fair share of mistakes. Their 3 consecutive first round picks in 2015 haven't yielded a whole lot and Barzal was picked immediately after those 3 by the Islanders.
I think a lot depends on what kind of players Lias and Chytil end up being. We've already had some luck with the latter falling to us in the draft due to his age. The numbers he's putting up in the AHL at 18 put him in good company.
Adding those two to, at minimum, a top 5-7 talent in this seasons draft could expedite this rebuild.
Will have a better idea once we see what Mcdonagh goes for as well.
Maybe three if we do indeed end up with Kovalchuk :)
Assuming they won't be lucky enough to pick #1 and get Dahlin (which of course they won't because they're the Rangers), is there anyone else in the draft with that kind of upside? Obviously no one else with Dahlin's upside, but anyone who has true first line talent?
Their core is much of the same even with the youth infusion.
Bergeron, Marchand, Pastrnak, Chara, Krejci, Rask, Krug, Spooner, Heinen, etc. were all from the prior regime and are most of the reason the team is successful.
I believe the system change helped more than the player additions.
Sure, guys like McAvoy, Carlo, debrusk and others have contributed, but they're IMO not the major reason for the Bruins turnaround.
Assuming they won't be lucky enough to pick #1 and get Dahlin (which of course they won't because they're the Rangers), is there anyone else in the draft with that kind of upside? Obviously no one else with Dahlin's upside, but anyone who has true first line talent?
pj can speak more to this, but I believe he's spoken very highly of Svechnikov, Zadina, and Tkachuk, the presumed 2-4 picks after Dahlin. Zadina in particular is really enticing. 7 goals at the WJC for the Czechs. Currently playing in the QMJHL. Getting into the top 4 of this draft looks to be the primary goal
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Svechnikov and Zadina are insanely skilled, both are in the best case Tarasenko mold IMO. they can stick handle in a phone booth, quick release shots, and just filthy moves. Neither has the toughness of Tkachuk, but that's not their game.
Any of those 4 (with Dahlin) I think is a HR in the draft.
then come a few D.
Quintin Hughes and Adam Boqvist are both solid puck movers, great vision, excellent skating defenseman, but both lack the size I like for D. This is something I personally need to get over I think because the trend in the league is to smaller puck moving D and these two absolutely fit the bill.
If any of you watched the Rangers Habs game last night I think Victor Mete showed how valuable a puck mover can be in today's game. Both Hughes and Boqvist outclass Mete but he competed against them in the World Juniors in January and I see similarities. And Boqvist isn't tiny, he's 5' 11" but Hughes is maybe 5' 9".
However, because I haven't yet gotten past the D size yet, I like Evan Bouchard a little more than them. Bouchard has a cannot shot, and is also a power play QB, just not quite the same from a vision standpoint or passing as Hughes and Boqvist, but I think he'll hold up better in corner battles and provide a better net front presence. Plus Bouchard is a RHD (like Boqvist).
So that's my top 7, if you get in that group and maybe add Oliver Wahlstrom a decent sized USNDT forward who can I think play legit two way C in the NHL you have 8 blue chip prospects.
The top 4 being IMO all better than Hischier/Patrick
and Dahlin being a generational talent, like the equivalent of McDavid on D, so call him Erik Karlsson 2.0.
Yeah, I loved Donato in the Olympics (and WJC a few years ago) and hate that he's a Bruin, but he's had zero impact so far on their revival (so far).
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Islanders' Josh Bailey agrees to 6-year, $30M contract extension http://bit.ly/2ChlWm3
draft picks? Doesn't seem like much reason to take on that awful contract.
and I don't know if the Coyotes still need salary to reach the floor, I remember they acquired Chris Pronger (LOL) who hasn't played in what seems like a decade to reach the floor.
Svechnikov and Zadina are insanely skilled, both are in the best case Tarasenko mold IMO. they can stick handle in a phone booth, quick release shots, and just filthy moves. Neither has the toughness of Tkachuk, but that's not their game.
Any of those 4 (with Dahlin) I think is a HR in the draft.
then come a few D.
Quintin Hughes and Adam Boqvist are both solid puck movers, great vision, excellent skating defenseman, but both lack the size I like for D. This is something I personally need to get over I think because the trend in the league is to smaller puck moving D and these two absolutely fit the bill.
If any of you watched the Rangers Habs game last night I think Victor Mete showed how valuable a puck mover can be in today's game. Both Hughes and Boqvist outclass Mete but he competed against them in the World Juniors in January and I see similarities. And Boqvist isn't tiny, he's 5' 11" but Hughes is maybe 5' 9".
However, because I haven't yet gotten past the D size yet, I like Evan Bouchard a little more than them. Bouchard has a cannot shot, and is also a power play QB, just not quite the same from a vision standpoint or passing as Hughes and Boqvist, but I think he'll hold up better in corner battles and provide a better net front presence. Plus Bouchard is a RHD (like Boqvist).
So that's my top 7, if you get in that group and maybe add Oliver Wahlstrom a decent sized USNDT forward who can I think play legit two way C in the NHL you have 8 blue chip prospects.
The top 4 being IMO all better than Hischier/Patrick
and Dahlin being a generational talent, like the equivalent of McDavid on D, so call him Erik Karlsson 2.0.
More than Hughes, I like what I have seen from Dobson and Hayton
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on Brady Tkachuk being my 2nd favorite prospect in this draft, good sized, power forward, sniper shot and grit. More like his father than his brother Matthew who is a good young player in his own right.
Svechnikov and Zadina are insanely skilled, both are in the best case Tarasenko mold IMO. they can stick handle in a phone booth, quick release shots, and just filthy moves. Neither has the toughness of Tkachuk, but that's not their game.
Any of those 4 (with Dahlin) I think is a HR in the draft.
then come a few D.
Quintin Hughes and Adam Boqvist are both solid puck movers, great vision, excellent skating defenseman, but both lack the size I like for D. This is something I personally need to get over I think because the trend in the league is to smaller puck moving D and these two absolutely fit the bill.
If any of you watched the Rangers Habs game last night I think Victor Mete showed how valuable a puck mover can be in today's game. Both Hughes and Boqvist outclass Mete but he competed against them in the World Juniors in January and I see similarities. And Boqvist isn't tiny, he's 5' 11" but Hughes is maybe 5' 9".
However, because I haven't yet gotten past the D size yet, I like Evan Bouchard a little more than them. Bouchard has a cannot shot, and is also a power play QB, just not quite the same from a vision standpoint or passing as Hughes and Boqvist, but I think he'll hold up better in corner battles and provide a better net front presence. Plus Bouchard is a RHD (like Boqvist).
So that's my top 7, if you get in that group and maybe add Oliver Wahlstrom a decent sized USNDT forward who can I think play legit two way C in the NHL you have 8 blue chip prospects.
The top 4 being IMO all better than Hischier/Patrick
and Dahlin being a generational talent, like the equivalent of McDavid on D, so call him Erik Karlsson 2.0.
More than Hughes, I like what I have seen from Dobson and Hayton
I like Dobson too - since I prefer bigger D, I could swap him in for one of the other D and not sacrifice anything.
I haven't seen much of Hayton to have an opinion. I only saw him at the U18 tourney in August and he was good. Just haven't seen enough.
Endless vomiting
I still think McDonagh only goes if someone overpays.
I still think McDonagh only goes if someone overpays.
I think the Rangers made the decision to move on from McDonagh. It seems like he could have gone to EDM a couple years back.
I'd be surprised if he's still a Ranger on Tuesday.
proof that there is no god
If we can't get at least a 1 for Nash, Gorton is a really bad negotiator.
OMG I go away for an hour and this happens...
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Just talked to someone who said of the Brassard deal "The league hasn't weighed in on it yet, this one is a complex one."
Yeah brassard has another year on his deal and centers return more than wings especially this year. Also keep in mind we don't know what playoff teams Nash has on his NTC limiting his market.
Hopefully we get a one ... but might be two twos.... whoever gets him is going to be very very pleased in may. Guaranteed 10 goal playoff. Rinse. Repeat.
So the deal in full ended up being 2018 1st, Gustavsson, and Ian Cole with OTT retaining 18% of the contract.
I would imagine any sort of league hold up would have to do with salary cap ramifications for the Pens. I believe they are right up against it.
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Yeah brassard has another year on his deal and centers return more than wings especially this year. Also keep in mind we don't know what playoff teams Nash has on his NTC limiting his market.
Hopefully we get a one ... but might be two twos.... whoever gets him is going to be very very pleased in may. Guaranteed 10 goal playoff. Rinse. Repeat.
10 goals? Is that Rick Nash or some other Nash? :-)
but seriously, I'm skeptical of getting a # 1 for Nash. He's one of the all time playoff gaggers, scores at less that half the rate he does in the regular season.
To date, he avgs .414 GPG in the reg season, .195 GPG in the playoffs.
I'd be surprised if Nash doesn't fetch a #1. But the Brassard deal dampens my optimism that we can get much more.
To date, he avgs .414 GPG in the reg season, .195 GPG in the playoffs.
He can still be quite valuable for a team that's not relying on him as a primary scoring option, though, because he's so versatile. A contender could park him on the third line and feel confident of getting good all-around play and he can contribute to special teams. And, if he got hot and starts potting a bunch of goals, then that's just a bonus.
On the other hand, fuck Pittsburgh and anyone who cheers for them
I'd be surprised if Nash doesn't fetch a #1. But the Brassard deal dampens my optimism that we can get much more.
For sure. Nash is just a rental, while Pittsburgh has Brassard for next year as well.
Yes, that pick is gonna end up 25-30, but Gustavsson is a good goaltending prospect, and Ian Cole they should be able to flip to another team for further picks.
I think Nash will definitely return some value, maybe not quite what's expected, but he's a solid 3 zone player, that plays all phases.
I'd be surprised if Nash doesn't fetch a #1. But the Brassard deal dampens my optimism that we can get much more.
He is because of the extra year - but worse players than Nash have fetched 1's as rentals and there's no reason why we shouldn't be getting that for him.
If we can't even get a 1 for Nash, I think Gorton is doing a bad job.
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If you're the Bruins, would you trade a package highlighted by DeBrusk, Carlo and this year's first round pick (if the Bruins make the Cup final) for Mats Zuccarello and Ryan McDonagh?
55% of Bruins fans say no (out of 1000 votes)
I think they're crazy. I do that in a heartbeat. I like DeBrusk, Carlo was great, but has been scuffling, and a 1st round pick is a 1st round pick.
David Pagnotta
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Trade details:
To PIT:
C Derick Brassard
F Vincent Dunn
F Tobias Lindberg
2018 3rd RD pick (OTT)
To VGK:
RW Ryan Reaves
2018 4th RD pick (VAN via PIT)
Retain 40% of Brassard cap hit
To OTT:
2018 1st RD pick (PIT)
2019 3rd RD pick (PIT)
D Ian Cole
G Filip Gustavsson
Now this. What the fuck is in this deal for them ? Is it some weird IOU for fleury? A 4th round pick and a goon is worth $2 million (actually more than that since they pick up some this year too) Wtf. Why does Pittsburgh keep having other teams pick up their tab for good players - kessel now this. Isn't Crosby playing at literally half his fucking market value enough already?
Detroit is only a point behind us with 2 in hand - MTL and EDM are 5 pts back with 2 games in hand.
Falling behind OTT/VAN will probably not happen, and there's no chance we'll fall behind BUF/ARZ - but there's a very good chance that DET/MTL/EDM can pass us.
We have 20 games left - I truly do not see us winning more than 4-5 of them.
The players we are putting out there now are AWFUL. The Rangers look like an olympic team from a country with zero hockey background. We don't score, we can't defend - this team does nothing well now with our best players either shelved or about to be traded.
We'll be lucky to win 5 more games. I don't think we will.
Just keep losing!
Now this. What the fuck is in this deal for them ? Is it some weird IOU for fleury? A 4th round pick and a goon is worth $2 million (actually more than that since they pick up some this year too) Wtf. Why does Pittsburgh keep having other teams pick up their tab for good players - kessel now this. Isn't Crosby playing at literally half his fucking market value enough already?
Not sure if I believe it, but I saw some stuff on Twitter that VGK did it to keep Brassard in the east. Evidently there was a deal with a WC team if the numbers with Pit didnt fit.
Not sure why Kreider is back. It seems like it's ahead of schedule off an internal surgery and may just end up moving us back in the draft.
If we can get to the final 16 games - 10 against this division with most playing for something - at 60 points or less we've got a good shot at top 4-5
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Now this. What the fuck is in this deal for them ? Is it some weird IOU for fleury? A 4th round pick and a goon is worth $2 million (actually more than that since they pick up some this year too) Wtf. Why does Pittsburgh keep having other teams pick up their tab for good players - kessel now this. Isn't Crosby playing at literally half his fucking market value enough already?
They have a bunch of cap space so essentially they get Reaves and a 4th rounder for helping out. Not to mention it keeps Brassard in the Eastern Conference.
Waived by Montreal. 2019 3rd Round pick. He is a warm body with size. Would rather see what he has than Denis Seidenberg. What is infuriating is Nick "-33" Leddy. The Islanders have D-men who are in double digits on the positive side of the +/- ledger so how the hell is Nick Leddy so low?
Evander Kane being held out, Plekanec being held out (rumors of Plekanec to Winnipeg heating up).
big night tonight with 10 games on the schedule.
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Bruins busy with the Leafs in game, but Boston definitely has interest in Rick Nash. Can they make the cap work? Ongoing discussions.
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Bruins don't have much salary cap space. Rangers would need to retain a chunk of Nash's contract, and that alone might still be tough to pull off. #nomore3waysplease
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Friedman on HNIC: "I think the belief is Pacioretty wants to go."
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Kypreos follows this up by saying that the LA Kings are pushing hard for Pacioretty. Says #Habs have asked for guys like Tanner Pearson / Tyler Toffoli in return.
I do like Lindgren a lot though, MTL has his brother Charlie (a goalie), Ryan reminds me a little of McAvoy. Not quite as smooth, but certainly a young upgrade over the current Rangers D (I'd have him over Pionk an Deangelo right now).
Other trades:
Plekanec to TOR (rumored to be returning to MTL this off-season), for a 2nd and some spare change.
Letestu from EDM to the Blue Jackets (I think this for CBJ)
Aberg from NSH to EDM
NSH gets a 4th - I believe the above was a 3-team trade.
Activity heating up, one thing I read is under no circumstances is Lundqvist going anywhere and he's starting tonight vs DET.
rebuild or retool?
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Sense around the league is that #NYR will likely unload D Ryan McDonagh before market for #CBJ Jack Johnson picks up. No guarantee #CBJ trade him, even if he remains unsigned. Very fluid situation; could go either way.
definitely IMO too, but then I'd trade Hank too.
And in the process of doing this they managed to add 4 (so far) 1st round picks and the first two look like solid pieces to potential HR's.
It's hard to rebuild when you're a contender, but so far hard to argue with Gorton's results. He's got 2 centers in the wings. Needs some D.
Cost the preds a 6th round pick.
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Trade: #Preds acquire forward Brandon Bollig and goaltender Troy Grosenick from #SJSharks.
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As expected, CAN Olympian Chris Kelly has agreed to terms on a contract for the balance of this season with ANA. It will be worth $1.25M pro rated plus bonuses.
Also, reported on another thread the Bruins signed Brian Gionta. Not sure why, he looked cooked in the Olympics. Against lesser competition, but in fairness he was also playing with lesser competition.
Bergeron is in a walking boot, but I think I read he's day to day with an LBI. So I doubt Gionta is related to that.
The Canadiens have 4 2nd round picks this year (so far) in addition to their 1st round pick so below is a tweet from a habs beat writer about NHL success in those draft spots (not MTL success, but overall NHL success (which is obviously variable in definition).
Brian Wilde
@BWildeRecrutes
2m2 minutes ago
Habs Draft Spots and NHL success rate at that spot.
5th=95%
36th=30%
38th=30%
56th=15%
57th=15%
2nd rounders much harder to land than ppl think.
From 2013, theres only one regular in NHL. Lehkonen.
2011 NHL draft - 2nd round - was tremendous. Kucherov, Jenner, Gibson, Saad, Granlund, Edmundson. Other guys turning in decent careers - Ritchie, Rask, etc.
2011 NHL draft - 2nd round - was tremendous. Kucherov, Jenner, Gibson, Saad, Granlund, Edmundson. Other guys turning in decent careers - Ritchie, Rask, etc.
Fair, I posted this in the Grabner trade thread and it was off the top of my head (I don't know every single one of these guys. Point was that 2nd round is maybe a 10 - 15% chance of a player becoming an NHL regular. And that's the 2nd round.
5 all-stars since 2009 from the 2nd round by my count.
Pontus Aberg (LW)
Colton Sissons (C)
both on NSH, and both barely NHL regulars at 24 years old. Neither are stars
2013:
Artturi Lehkonen (LW) (and this is a stretch)
2014:
None (too soon)
So I'll go back a little:
2011:
Boone Jenner (C)
John Gibson (G)
Brandon Saad (LW)
Markus Granland (C) (on his 2nd team)
Victor Rask (C)
Joel Edmundson (D)
William Karlsson (C) - where did this year's success come from?
Nikita Kucherov (F) *** Home Run
2010:
Justin Faulk (D)
Devante Smith-Pelly (RW)
Ryan Spooner (C)
Tyler Toffoli (RW)
2009:
Ryan O"Reilly (C)
Kyle Clifford (LW)
Jakob Silfverberg (RW)
Robin Lehner (G)
Brian Dumolin (D)
Richard Panik (LW)
Dmitry Orlov (D)
Tomas Tatar (C)
basically you have about a 10% chance of a 2nd round pick making the NHL as a regular player IMO, these are all off my scans of the draft results, I don't know every player, so I made the best guess I could. It's possible I missed someone.
five all-stars I believe, since 2009 from the 2nd round.
If you go back to 2007 you can get PK Subban and 2008 you can get Roman Josi, but not much more by going back more.
So the statement "everyone is on the table" is a non-statement because, in theory, everyone is always on the table depending upon the offer. However, the actual reality is obviously different than theory. In reality, are there current players Gordon considers to be the "core of the future"? If so, who?
(and which are "definite core" and which are one level below as "likely core")?
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Filip Chytil
Lias Andersson
Alexandar Georgiev
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Pavel Buchnevich
Brady Skjei
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Mika Zibanejad
Chris Kreider
J.T. Miller
Jimmy Vesey
On my list, I listed them in the sequence in which I believe they represent core value moving forward. In other words, the top three are Chytil-Andersson-Georgiev. Next Buchnevich-Skjei. And then Zibanejad-Kreider-Miller-Vesey.
That's only 9 players (1 goalie and 1 D). Are there others that you believe are (in reality) safe and considered by Gordon to be part of the future? Are there players in my groupings you believe are, in reality, not part of the future core?
you've also got a bunch of guys with 2-3 years left on their deals too -- most if not all of these guys that are likely immovable.
Staal
Smith
Shattenkirk
Lundqvist
now Beleskey
...but no doubt we need to get lucky in this upcoming lottery and i honestly think their plan is to aim for a top 5 pick next draft too.
Which is why i'm fine bringing on bad contracts (accompanied by picks) with ~two years left on their deals with teams up against their caps or otherwise looking to save money on bad deals (Florida is always a team looking to shed payroll)
From there, you can start to rebuild. So the question becomes, do you keep that third tier of players you listed around hoping to be contributing members coming out of this rebuild in 3 years? I'm also not sure that all of them can be retained under the cap. I'm fine dealing some of them this summer.
My main concern is Sather won't let this rebuild run its proper course and will rush to put out a marketable product sooner rather than later - dooming us to more of the same 'good but not good enough' that has plagued this building for 30 years.
On the big club, I don't think anyone is untouchable. Buchnevich would be the closest to it.
On the big club, I don't think anyone is untouchable. Buchnevich would be the closest to it.
Greg, I confused Georgiev with Shestyorkin. I hadn't read anything about Georgiev being called up and just assumed he must be the Russian successor to Hank.