A Massapequa boy! Sweet.....5th round pick, big kid (6'4" 207), not much scoring. 2-6-8 in 43 AHL games this year, 4-9-13 in 54 AHL games last year. 11 scoreless NHL appearances.
Was asked to play way out of his depth on the first pair this season and closing out playoff games last season. That's on AV, not the player.
Figure he's third paid/extra defenseman for Boston, and he's fine for that role. We did well to get anything in return. Though the fact that our "first pair" defenseman only bring back this return just further exemplifies the evaluation problems this coach has.
Anything for Holden is a plus - I just wouldn't expect anything to come of the pick.
I think Buchnevich was the only 3rd rounder we really "hit" on in the last 20 years or so. The vast majority never even got to the NHL level or had any sort of impact.
Odds are very low on 3rd rders. But obviously I'll take it.
But yeah obviously the big unknowns here are Nash and McDonaugh. Is the latter seriously hurt or are they just preserving him for trade ?
...and of course continuing to lose and hopefully move up the lottery pool. Maybe Dolan even gets lucky in one of his leagues for once since 1985 or whatever and wins. Nah.
if you're a Rangers fan is that Boston was a rumored destination for McDonagh, so for those of you pushing for a McDonagh trade (and I wouldn't be if I were a Rangers fan) this probably removes a destination for McDonagh.
I imagine the trade talk between the teams started with McDonagh, Boston probably found the price too high and then inquired on Holden (no source for this, just a guess).
From what I've read the rangers aren't committed to letting McDonaugh go though. May see where the summer takes them ... which I'm generally fine with (unless we hear they passed on an incredible deal - but I doubt it ... even getting that Yandle deal back seems unlikely - teams aren't desperate like Sather was back then)
them getting a better deal for Mac at the draft than they would now, because you get two playoff runs out of him by acquiring him now. But maybe I'm off base there
them getting a better deal for Mac at the draft than they would now, because you get two playoff runs out of him by acquiring him now. But maybe I'm off base there
It's interesting, because I am hearing the same arguments about Pacioretty. He, like McDonagh, has another year on his deal. Both team friendly.
the argument for holding them to the draft is it opens up more potential trade partners (NMC/NTC not with standing). Where as at the deadline the pool of potential trade partners is limited to contenders.
Furthermore, players like McDonagh and Pacioretty you'd want young ready to contribute players back (in addition to picks), so you run the risk of a contender not being willing to part with young highly regarded players because they might be counting on them down the stretch.
So, you wait until the draft, and that's the camp I used to be in.
The counter point is teams who were contenders at the deadline might consider making more players available at the draft since they are potentially entering the final year of their deals like an Erik Karlsson or Noah Hanifin for example (though Karlsson might be a bad example since the Senators are not contenders), so there could be more options available at the draft than at the deadline.
Now I don't know what to think.
I still think I lean toward the draft being better, because McDonagh and Pacioretty (two examples) are not so old they would be good rentals, they're players to sign and build around.
O'Gara actually made the big club last year to start the season.
I am surprised they traded a younger player for a guy that I am reading is a free agent at year's end, and won't make that big of an impact - meaning, I am wondering if he is even able to crack the B's top 6. I suspect he wouldn't.
O'Gara actually made the big club last year to start the season.
I am surprised they traded a younger player for a guy that I am reading is a free agent at year's end, and won't make that big of an impact - meaning, I am wondering if he is even able to crack the B's top 6. I suspect he wouldn't.
Chara/McAvoy
Krug/Carlo
Miller/Grezlyck
McQuaid.
Seems a lot to give up, but ZC looks gassed, McA may be health, TK is small, BC has played poorly, KM needs to get stretched out, G is meh, McQ has a med issue too, and injuries are talked down, Providence guys are emergency fills, and the D is not physically overwhelming. Or, as someone wrote, could be injury or another trade in the works.
The Canadiens have traded defenseman Jakub Jerabek to the Washington Capitals in exchange for a fifth-round pick in 2019.
I liked him, older rookie, but decent depth guy.
I read a stat that said over the past few years, very few trades occur on the deadline (Monday) and the bulk of the transactions will happen between now and Sunday.
Rumors heating up on Karlsson from what I have been reading.
has been that the Senators having been asking for a fortune x100 (which they should) but also that they're trying to make teams take Bobby Ryan's contract (which looks really bad). If both of those are firm I don't see how he's going anywhere this deadline.
has been that the Senators having been asking for a fortune x100 (which they should) but also that they're trying to make teams take Bobby Ryan's contract (which looks really bad). If both of those are firm I don't see how he's going anywhere this deadline.
Karlsson's health more than anything else would give me pause. I'd pay the price if I was a contender.
top 3 best NHL defenseman in his prime, under contract another year.
Lebrun tweeted things are heating up with Grabner. Could see the Rangers get the smaller deals done first before focusing on the big ones like McD closer to the deadline
Rangers embraced the tank far more than MTL, I didn't see a letter to the fans from Geoff Molson or Mark Bergevin.
MTL has one of the best Assistant GM's in the game from a talent evaluation standpoint (Trevor Timmins), I hope he's the GM before Bergevin makes this pick.
until there's no other option, even if it means missing games.
agree, but he has a torn tendon in his foot, I'm not a medical expert obviously, but that doesn't sound like something that heals with rest. I think he probably tried to play through it not realizing the severity (and although they had a rough start the season clearly wasn't lost by November) and he didn't tell anyone how bad the pain was and then the team sat on it with their own medical staff before sending him to a specialist (which just happened last weekend).
Rangers embraced the tank far more than MTL, I didn't see a letter to the fans from Geoff Molson or Mark Bergevin.
MTL has one of the best Assistant GM's in the game from a talent evaluation standpoint (Trevor Timmins), I hope he's the GM before Bergevin makes this pick.
Montreal is really an org living off its past. Done nothing since 93.
I don't know what they're waiting on. The best offers out there has already been made by now, and if Nash in particular gets hurt playing meaningless games, it will really hurt the (necessary) rebuilding plan.
Rangers embraced the tank far more than MTL, I didn't see a letter to the fans from Geoff Molson or Mark Bergevin.
MTL has one of the best Assistant GM's in the game from a talent evaluation standpoint (Trevor Timmins), I hope he's the GM before Bergevin makes this pick.
Montreal is really an org living off its past. Done nothing since 93.
Yeah, that whole one year beyond that when the Rangers won the SC and one other SCF appearance since then (which the Rangers beat the Canadiens to advance to) surely establish the Rangers as hockey royalty. Congratulations for being such a model franchise that all other teams aspire to be.
your other teams may have it over Montreal but I wouldn't say the Rangers do.
the NHL trade deadline is a week from yesterday (Monday 2/26), but based on prior history, most trades will happen between now and the weekend.
not many names have traded places on the actual deadline the past few years.
Not that I expected Nick Holden to fetch much of anything anyway. I'm assuming O'Gara is a turd.
no clue on the Bruins D, I read he's an RFA after the season.
I will have to ask some family friends on more insight, they know everything about the local hockey scene.
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Could this deal be a setup for another deal?
Off to a good start...
Figure he's third paid/extra defenseman for Boston, and he's fine for that role. We did well to get anything in return. Though the fact that our "first pair" defenseman only bring back this return just further exemplifies the evaluation problems this coach has.
I think Buchnevich was the only 3rd rounder we really "hit" on in the last 20 years or so. The vast majority never even got to the NHL level or had any sort of impact.
Odds are very low on 3rd rders. But obviously I'll take it.
But yeah obviously the big unknowns here are Nash and McDonaugh. Is the latter seriously hurt or are they just preserving him for trade ?
...and of course continuing to lose and hopefully move up the lottery pool. Maybe Dolan even gets lucky in one of his leagues for once since 1985 or whatever and wins. Nah.
I imagine the trade talk between the teams started with McDonagh, Boston probably found the price too high and then inquired on Holden (no source for this, just a guess).
Plus, they got 1.65 years of his service too.
not really. Slats is still there. AV is still there. Dolan still owns the Garden.
It's interesting, because I am hearing the same arguments about Pacioretty. He, like McDonagh, has another year on his deal. Both team friendly.
the argument for holding them to the draft is it opens up more potential trade partners (NMC/NTC not with standing). Where as at the deadline the pool of potential trade partners is limited to contenders.
Furthermore, players like McDonagh and Pacioretty you'd want young ready to contribute players back (in addition to picks), so you run the risk of a contender not being willing to part with young highly regarded players because they might be counting on them down the stretch.
So, you wait until the draft, and that's the camp I used to be in.
The counter point is teams who were contenders at the deadline might consider making more players available at the draft since they are potentially entering the final year of their deals like an Erik Karlsson or Noah Hanifin for example (though Karlsson might be a bad example since the Senators are not contenders), so there could be more options available at the draft than at the deadline.
Now I don't know what to think.
I still think I lean toward the draft being better, because McDonagh and Pacioretty (two examples) are not so old they would be good rentals, they're players to sign and build around.
It had better be as a replacement for Sproul, not Gilmour, Pionk, or DeAngelo
It had better be as a replacement for Sproul, not Gilmour, Pionk, or DeAngelo
Eh we're tanking who cares. AV seems to be good at this. I trust his "winning" intuition
I am surprised they traded a younger player for a guy that I am reading is a free agent at year's end, and won't make that big of an impact - meaning, I am wondering if he is even able to crack the B's top 6. I suspect he wouldn't.
Chara/McAvoy
Krug/Carlo
Miller/Grezlyck
McQuaid.
O'Gara is an RFA after the season too, so maybe the Bruins figured they're not going to re-sign him so see what Holden does in a different system?
little bit of a head scratcher from the Bruins angle unless someone is hurt.
O'Gara is an RFA after the season too, so maybe the Bruins figured they're not going to re-sign him so see what Holden does in a different system?
little bit of a head scratcher from the Bruins angle unless someone is hurt.
PJ - didn't realize he was a free agent....so yeah I get it. Looking for someone who could step in and help.
Carlo has struggled a bit, the B's are leading the league in GA I believe, or close, but leaking a bit of oil right now.
Getting Miller back should help. He's really improved after moving to his more natural side apparently.
Flyers were down to Lyon. They also called up Oskar Lindblom, one of their top offensive prospects.
AV got traded?
I am surprised they traded a younger player for a guy that I am reading is a free agent at year's end, and won't make that big of an impact - meaning, I am wondering if he is even able to crack the B's top 6. I suspect he wouldn't.
Chara/McAvoy
Krug/Carlo
Miller/Grezlyck
McQuaid.
Seems a lot to give up, but ZC looks gassed, McA may be health, TK is small, BC has played poorly, KM needs to get stretched out, G is meh, McQ has a med issue too, and injuries are talked down, Providence guys are emergency fills, and the D is not physically overwhelming. Or, as someone wrote, could be injury or another trade in the works.
I liked him, older rookie, but decent depth guy.
I read a stat that said over the past few years, very few trades occur on the deadline (Monday) and the bulk of the transactions will happen between now and Sunday.
Rumors heating up on Karlsson from what I have been reading.
Karlsson's health more than anything else would give me pause. I'd pay the price if I was a contender.
top 3 best NHL defenseman in his prime, under contract another year.
If they dangle Daniel Sprong I think the Rangers do it in a heartbeat.
You guys are destroying the integrity of the sport with your obvious tanking.
Contract.
At the least take away the first round pick.
MTL has one of the best Assistant GM's in the game from a talent evaluation standpoint (Trevor Timmins), I hope he's the GM before Bergevin makes this pick.
agree, but he has a torn tendon in his foot, I'm not a medical expert obviously, but that doesn't sound like something that heals with rest. I think he probably tried to play through it not realizing the severity (and although they had a rough start the season clearly wasn't lost by November) and he didn't tell anyone how bad the pain was and then the team sat on it with their own medical staff before sending him to a specialist (which just happened last weekend).
MTL has one of the best Assistant GM's in the game from a talent evaluation standpoint (Trevor Timmins), I hope he's the GM before Bergevin makes this pick.
Montreal is really an org living off its past. Done nothing since 93.
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Rangers embraced the tank far more than MTL, I didn't see a letter to the fans from Geoff Molson or Mark Bergevin.
MTL has one of the best Assistant GM's in the game from a talent evaluation standpoint (Trevor Timmins), I hope he's the GM before Bergevin makes this pick.
Montreal is really an org living off its past. Done nothing since 93.
Yeah, that whole one year beyond that when the Rangers won the SC and one other SCF appearance since then (which the Rangers beat the Canadiens to advance to) surely establish the Rangers as hockey royalty. Congratulations for being such a model franchise that all other teams aspire to be.
your other teams may have it over Montreal but I wouldn't say the Rangers do.