Bucky Brooks: Book on Saquon Barkley: Giants, Browns fit....

This draft comes down to Barkley or Rosen for me.

Some days I lean Barkley and don't trust Rosens medical history, other days I feel like you can't pass up a QB prospect like Rosen. Imagine adding Barkley to this offense though...

To me, the noise about Rosen not being likeable and having a difficult persona is nonsense/irrelevant.

The only thing that worries me is his shoulder injru and concussions.

In comment 13837188 Breeze_94 said:

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This draft comes down to Barkley or Rosen for me. Some days I lean Barkley and don't trust Rosens medical history, other days I feel like you can't pass up a QB prospect like Rosen. Imagine adding Barkley to this offense though... To me, the noise about Rosen not being likeable and having a difficult persona is nonsense/irrelevant. The only thing that worries me is his shoulder injru and concussions.

Agree. I've read Rosen's supposed "bad attitude" comments. He sounds like an intelligent, grounded kid. To me it's the concussions and the smallish build that are the worry.

Would love to get Barkley but not at the cost of a Franchise QB or multiple 1st round picks. Plus its very possible to trade down and still get Barkley depending on what the Colts and Browns do.

Obviously FA is going to effect things, mostly Cousins, because Jets and Broncos are prefect trade partners but if they get Cousins...

I'm hoping Cousins goes to the Cardinals.

been re-thinking my guess work on what the Giants will do at #2. I was about 90% sure they'd go QB but now I'm down to 50-50 with Barkley being a possibility.

I'm not sure that the Giants staff will see a QB available who doesn't have any warts. Barkley would help in the run game even if the Oline went unchanged from last year. And we all know that ain't happening.

I know many posters say that Webb doesn't have anything to do with out pick at #2 but if they go non-QB, you can bet your hiney they must be somewhat confident in Webb's ability.

For me anyways

1. Browns - QB
2. Broncos - QB
3. Jets - QB
4. Browns - Chubb
5. Giants - Barkley and a ton of picks!
6. Colts - who cares.

if Rosen is on the board at #2. The picks that were mentioned here on earlier threads could bring us back into contention next year if we plan on going with Eli which I think we will. An 11/5 team ( two years ago) that played well below that level last year, for a lot of reasons, could turn it all around with a great offseason (draft and FA) under talent gurus like DG/Abrams . This league has little patience for rebuilding. We want to compete NOW.

But not Nelson?

That makes no sense

As Colts, Cleveland won't be getting a QB.

The Giants moved out implies they are not interested in QB.

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Why are people ok with taking a RB at 2 Flem17454 : 1:58 pm : link : reply But not Nelson? That makes no sense

The John Jerry troll is one of the strangest things I've seen on this site. And think about all the lunatics here.

In comment 13837218 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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Quote: Why are people ok with taking a RB at 2 Flem17454 : 1:58 pm : link : reply But not Nelson? That makes no sense The John Jerry troll is one of the strangest things I've seen on this site. And think about all the lunatics here.

LOL, yeah I said last night that it's got to be the same guy.

What a fucking weirdo.

In comment 13837215 Flem17454 said:

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But not Nelson? That makes no sense

When choosing between a guard and a running back that are both very good prospects, you always take the guy who gets the ball in their hands. On any offensive play, Barkley is far more likely to affect the out come of the game than Nelson.

In comment 13837217 George from PA said:

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As Colts, Cleveland won't be getting a QB. The Giants moved out implies they are not interested in QB.

Same reason the Bears moved up 1 spot to take a QB.

The real flaw in my plan is why would the Brown take another DE when the have 2 great ones and a third decent one over Barkley?

In comment 13837217 George from PA said:

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As Colts, Cleveland won't be getting a QB. The Giants moved out implies they are not interested in QB.

Because the Brows or Giants could trade out of their spots. The Giants, even with a trade down, could still select a QB. A team like Buffalo may be able to jump up and take a QB. This falls under the same category of the Giants trading up one spot to take Shockey. You eliminate other variables from tje equation. And QB is a hell of lot more important than a TE. Don't rule it out. When you have a target, particularly a QB, you don't play games. You go get him.

are so many different directions and variables. My guess is that we won't know anything or have any inclination before the pick. I wouldn't be surprised with any of the following:

Any of the QBs.
Barkley.
Chubb.
Trade down.

At this point, I'd only be surprised by a trade up, Nelson, or a huge trade down, such as with Buffalo.

In comment 13837215 Flem17454 said:

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But not Nelson? That makes no sense

I like Nelson, don't get me wrong, but Barkley IMO is a better prospect. People don't realize how great of a receiver he is out of the backfield. He is a game changer, a culture changer as well due to his character.

People act like Nelson is this perfect prospect, and while he is pretty damn good, he is not the perfect guard prospect, just like Barkley is not quite the perfect RB prospect. He is a GREAT mauler, but he does struggle a bit in space. Not too bad, but he is not the fluid mover that a guy like Zack Martin is.

I know Nelson could be an all-pro, but I think the Giants should go after Norwell, a guy who is already an all-pro and only 26 yrs old that will likely be available. Having Norwell and Nelson sounds great, but is not necessary.

would go something like

1. RB Barkley
2. LT Orlando Brown (if Cam Robinson fell to rd 2 last year, Brown certainly can)
3. EDGE U. Nwosu
4. OL Austin Corbett
4B. DL Da'Shawn Hand
5. LB Christian Sam
6. CB JC Jackson

scenarios to work for a trade down and get Barkley.

But maybe,

Browns - QB
Broncos - QB
Colts - Chubb
Jets - Jump in front of Giants and secure QB
Giants - Barkley
Browns

If the Brown stay a 4, and Colts Select Barkley at 3, who are the Browns taking at 4? Chubb is the value, but they don't need him.

This draft comes down to the Browns and Free Agency.

If they open the vault for Cousins, they are not going QB at 1. That pick not only will draw a ton of interest from QB needy teams, but will also enable them to pick whatever they want. IF Barkley is a possibility at 2, then he is at 1 as well.
The Browns actually have a decent line, They can easily trade out of 1, get pick 5/6 along with their 4.

If we trade out of 2 after them (Let's assume we don't want to go QB -- Whether he was picked at 1 or we have no desire, and we get offered a hell of a package) The Browns 4 becomes truly valuable to another QB needy team.

I can see them trading that as well then and still have #5 or 6 as well as another #1 Maybe even buffalo's 20 and 21 I think, with their new GM, that they are going to make out like bandits this draft.

The order can easily become
1. Jets
2. Broncos
3. Indy
4. Buffalo
5. Giants
6. Browns

In comment 13837222 mrvax said:

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In comment 13837215 Flem17454 said: Quote: But not Nelson? That makes no sense When choosing between a guard and a running back that are both very good prospects, you always take the guy who gets the ball in their hands. On any offensive play, Barkley is far more likely to affect the out come of the game than Nelson.

Wrong in every way.

Just wrong.

In comment 13837218 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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Quote: Why are people ok with taking a RB at 2 Flem17454 : 1:58 pm : link : reply But not Nelson? That makes no sense The John Jerry troll is one of the strangest things I've seen on this site. And think about all the lunatics here.

Huh?

In comment 13837244 Breeze_94 said:

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In comment 13837215 Flem17454 said: Quote: But not Nelson? That makes no sense I like Nelson, don't get me wrong, but Barkley IMO is a better prospect. People don't realize how great of a receiver he is out of the backfield. He is a game changer, a culture changer as well due to his character. People act like Nelson is this perfect prospect, and while he is pretty damn good, he is not the perfect guard prospect, just like Barkley is not quite the perfect RB prospect. He is a GREAT mauler, but he does struggle a bit in space. Not too bad, but he is not the fluid mover that a guy like Zack Martin is. I know Nelson could be an all-pro, but I think the Giants should go after Norwell, a guy who is already an all-pro and only 26 yrs old that will likely be available. Having Norwell and Nelson sounds great, but is not necessary.

Barkley = Reggie Bush 2.0

In no way is he a better prospect than Nelson.

And in no way is RB a bigger need than OL.

In comment 13837188 Breeze_94 said:

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This draft comes down to Barkley or Rosen for me. Some days I lean Barkley and don't trust Rosens medical history, other days I feel like you can't pass up a QB prospect like Rosen. Imagine adding Barkley to this offense though... To me, the noise about Rosen not being likeable and having a difficult persona is nonsense/irrelevant. The only thing that worries me is his shoulder injru and concussions.

This is almost exactly how I feel at this moment too. Almost word for word how I feel. Only difference is I'm not concerned about Rosen's head and shoulder injuries if the Giants decide to select him.

And people want an overrated Reggie Bush type RB with the #2 overall pick.

Can't make this shit up.

Obvious troll is obvious.

And fucking annoying.

Go away.

In comment 13837274 arcarsenal said:

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Obvious troll is obvious. And fucking annoying. Go away.

Who's trolling you bald dipshit?

I'm addressing the original topic.

Barkley to Reggie Bush then you pretty much suck at comparing players.

It's like saying Nelson is John Jerry 2.0, which is probably a closer comparison than Barkley is to Bush.

I’m all for the OL. However, if OL is your choice, you have to trade down to lower than 5 and accumulate more picks. The others are right you can’t take a guard at pick #2.

In comment 13837281 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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Barkley to Reggie Bush then you pretty much suck at comparing players. It's like saying Nelson is John Jerry 2.0, which is probably a closer comparison than Barkley is to Bush.

Pretty much.

In comment 13837277 Flem17454 said:

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In comment 13837274 arcarsenal said: Quote: Obvious troll is obvious. And fucking annoying. Go away. Who's trolling you bald dipshit? I'm addressing the original topic.

No, you're pushing this dumb narrative about drafting Nelson @ 2 overall five thousand times a day everywhere you possible can and no one cares.

The Giants aren't taking Nelson 2nd. Deal with it.

In comment 13837215 Flem17454 said:

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But not Nelson? That makes no sense

Do you have a photo of Quentin Nelson hanging over your bed?

I don't think any comparison would do him justice. He is one of a kind.

In comment 13837301 Sy'56 said:

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I don't think any comparison would do him justice. He is one of a kind.

SY, if you were actually picking, are you a fanatic about never ever picking a RB with your first pick? Would you take a Barkley (Sanders, AP, Jimmy Brown, Sayers) with the 2nd pick in the drat?

In comment 13837306 Bill L said:

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In comment 13837301 Sy'56 said: Quote: I don't think any comparison would do him justice. He is one of a kind. SY, if you were actually picking, are you a fanatic about never ever picking a RB with your first pick? Would you take a Barkley (Sanders, AP, Jimmy Brown, Sayers) with the 2nd pick in the drat?

100% yes. I have been very vocal about the concept behind not selecting certain positions is a foolish approach.

In comment 13837269 T-Bone said:

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In comment 13837188 Breeze_94 said: Quote: This draft comes down to Barkley or Rosen for me. Some days I lean Barkley and don't trust Rosens medical history, other days I feel like you can't pass up a QB prospect like Rosen. Imagine adding Barkley to this offense though... To me, the noise about Rosen not being likeable and having a difficult persona is nonsense/irrelevant. The only thing that worries me is his shoulder injru and concussions. This is almost exactly how I feel at this moment too. Almost word for word how I feel. Only difference is I'm not concerned about Rosen's head and shoulder injuries if the Giants decide to select him.

True. QB's in the NFL are well protected and not at risk for injury, especially a guy like Rosen who plays from the pocket and understands his limitations/doesn't run around

Giants see Darnold as 1A and Barkley as 1B. In the end I hope Barkley will be a Giant. We have NEVER had a player as good as him on offense when you match skill with character. He will be an exceptional leader in short order in the locker room and his talent level will influence respect from OBJ, who will no longer be obvious talent alpha in the room.

All talk is for naught...BY FAR best and most impactful player in this draft

In comment 13837349 Miamijints said:

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Giants see Darnold as 1A and Barkley as 1B. In the end I hope Barkley will be a Giant. We have NEVER had a player as good as him on offense when you match skill with character. He will be an exceptional leader in short order in the locker room and his talent level will influence respect from OBJ, who will no longer be obvious talent alpha in the room.

Well said, and I couldn't agree more. I'm very much on the QB bandwagon but if Darnold goes #1, I can't kill the Giants for taking Barkley over the remaining guys, if they view Barkley as a Marshall Faulk-type of impact player. I felt the same way when Zeke Elliot came out, not knowing just how bad a character he was/is. No such problems with Barkley.

Preferably Barkley, because I truly believe Eli's eventual replacement will be a Freshman this year, or it will be Webb.

In comment 13837301 Sy'56 said:

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I don't think any comparison would do him justice. He is one of a kind.

Sy are you talking OJ Simpson good. Then lets trade with the Bills and get him. Game changers come along once in a while, if he is one, you go all out. IMO

1. Darnold
2. Barkley
3. Nelson
4. Chubb
5. Fitzpatrick

If Cleveland takes Darnold I would be happy with Barkley.

Leading the NCAA in turnovers is too concerning at least for me to take with the #2 pick

In comment 13837210 rasbutant said:

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For me anyways 1. Browns - QB 2. Broncos - QB 3. Jets - QB 4. Browns - Chubb 5. Giants - Barkley and a ton of picks! 6. Colts - who cares.

Browns will jump all over Barkley at #4.

There weren't a "ton of picks" moved in the Eli Manning trade.

You are probably talking about their 2nd and 2019 1st, especially if it is for a QB they really want.

Would be great! If he is on the board at 2 and he is the guy then
I would be happy.


There are a number of great players for us to pick from.

We need a lot of help.

A truly elite player is hard to come by. My only fear is if they trade down they go down to far.

That Barkley goes 1st overall a long time ago and I will be correct. He will be the first pick, I am almost certain of it.

In comment 13837264 Flem17454 said:

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In comment 13837244 Breeze_94 said: Quote: In comment 13837215 Flem17454 said: Quote: But not Nelson? That makes no sense I like Nelson, don't get me wrong, but Barkley IMO is a better prospect. People don't realize how great of a receiver he is out of the backfield. He is a game changer, a culture changer as well due to his character. People act like Nelson is this perfect prospect, and while he is pretty damn good, he is not the perfect guard prospect, just like Barkley is not quite the perfect RB prospect. He is a GREAT mauler, but he does struggle a bit in space. Not too bad, but he is not the fluid mover that a guy like Zack Martin is. I know Nelson could be an all-pro, but I think the Giants should go after Norwell, a guy who is already an all-pro and only 26 yrs old that will likely be available. Having Norwell and Nelson sounds great, but is not necessary. Barkley = Reggie Bush 2.0 In no way is he a better prospect than Nelson. And in no way is RB a bigger need than OL.

you are absolutely wrong and may be the stupidest poster this board has seen in a while.

In comment 13837410 TMS said:

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Sy are you talking OJ Simpson good. Then lets trade with the Bills and get him.

Simpson is no longer playing for the Bills.

In comment 13837257 Flem17454 said:

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In comment 13837222 mrvax said: Quote: In comment 13837215 Flem17454 said: Quote: But not Nelson? That makes no sense When choosing between a guard and a running back that are both very good prospects, you always take the guy who gets the ball in their hands. On any offensive play, Barkley is far more likely to affect the out come of the game than Nelson. Wrong in every way. Just wrong.

He's just being nice.

It's because you touch yourself at night.

a reputable replacement for Eli, I could see Barkley as the #2 pick. I just don't see how they not pick a QB if Webb isn't the heir apparent. They won't be picking top 5 again anytime soon.