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Given the Eagles promoted Mike Groh

old man : 2/20/2018 7:59 pm
to OC over Duce Staley, did we avoid a major potential error by not pursuing/hiring Staley for our OC?
My thinking is: if the often- rumored DS wasn't worthy of the job with the Eagles, maybe he really isn't OC material.
Or is it an apples- oranges situation?
They did add the title of Assistant Head Coach  
Diver_Down : 2/20/2018 8:04 pm : link
to Staley. Doing so stops other teams from poaching him. So while they didn't promote him to OC, they did think highly enough of him to protect him from the other 31 teams.
RE: They did add the title of Assistant Head Coach  
MookGiants : 2/20/2018 8:06 pm : link
In comment 13837568 Diver_Down said:
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to Staley. Doing so stops other teams from poaching him. So while they didn't promote him to OC, they did think highly enough of him to protect him from the other 31 teams.


They didn't need to promote him to AHC to stop teams from poaching him.

If you are under contract, you can be blocked from a "promotion" unless its to HC.

AHC is just a title and probably a pay bump but otherwise is meaningless
RE: RE: They did add the title of Assistant Head Coach  
Diver_Down : 2/20/2018 8:08 pm : link
In comment 13837570 MookGiants said:
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In comment 13837568 Diver_Down said:


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to Staley. Doing so stops other teams from poaching him. So while they didn't promote him to OC, they did think highly enough of him to protect him from the other 31 teams.



They didn't need to promote him to AHC to stop teams from poaching him.

If you are under contract, you can be blocked from a "promotion" unless its to HC.

AHC is just a title and probably a pay bump but otherwise is meaningless


But even for HC, the NFL doesn't consider it a promotion when you are an assistant HC. Hence, he can not interview and be hired for a HC unless the Eagles grant permission.
I think you're wrong, DD.  
yatqb : 2/20/2018 9:42 pm : link
As for Staley, Shurmur is an offensive coach. If he wants Shula to mentor our young QB(s) and help to guide the offense in terms of game plans and administration, who are we to decide that Staley would be a better choice?
I didn't know  
old man : 2/20/2018 9:46 pm : link
He got a AHC title, which likely DOES mean they do think he is/ is close to OC material and in the meantime can flex him into standing between Peterson and Groh and learning the thinking of both positions and pick their brains.
Or the AHC is just a feel good throw of a bone to make nice nice with the Deuce.
Shurmur wanted a QB-centric OC...  
Torrag : 2/20/2018 9:47 pm : link
...every single candidate had that as a keynote to his resume.
Mook is correct  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 2/20/2018 9:48 pm : link
Assistant HC is now meaningless in terms of the effect on promotions. The Eagles could block him from interviewing for OC with or without the assistant HC title so long as he is under contract.

There are 2 levels as far as the league is concerned

1. HC
2. Everybody else
They cant block him from a HC spot  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 2/20/2018 9:49 pm : link
bit they can block him from an OC job.
RE: They cant block him from a HC spot  
Mike in NY : 2/20/2018 10:21 pm : link
In comment 13837634 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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bit they can block him from an OC job.


They didn’t need to add AHC title for that. This is more about him not quitting at the first chance that they deny him an OC interview
Hard to believe Mike Groh is an NFL OC  
Greg from LI : 2/20/2018 10:52 pm : link
He was godawful as UVA's OC under his dad. There's an argument that he was the reason his dad was ultimately fired.
RE: RE: RE: They did add the title of Assistant Head Coach  
djstat : 2/20/2018 11:13 pm : link
In comment 13837571 Diver_Down said:
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In comment 13837570 MookGiants said:


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In comment 13837568 Diver_Down said:


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to Staley. Doing so stops other teams from poaching him. So while they didn't promote him to OC, they did think highly enough of him to protect him from the other 31 teams.



They didn't need to promote him to AHC to stop teams from poaching him.

If you are under contract, you can be blocked from a "promotion" unless its to HC.

AHC is just a title and probably a pay bump but otherwise is meaningless



But even for HC, the NFL doesn't consider it a promotion when you are an assistant HC. Hence, he can not interview and be hired for a HC unless the Eagles grant permission.
You are 100% WRONG. The only promotion that cannot be blocked when you are an assistant coach of any kind is a HC. An Assistant Head Coach can interview for any HC job.
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