Kevin Knox: 23/7 with 2 steals, 8-18 with three 3s
Knox looks very solid. Not a superstar at kentucky but he's a great athlete, good size, rebounding, defense, transition and shooting. 7 foot wingspan, looks like his body can really fill out. Can go small with him at the 4.
is music to my ears, but let's see if they have the discipline for it. They resisted the Kemba trade (previous regimes would've pulled the trigger), didn't throw Frank into the rumored Elfrid Payton deal, and took a nice gamble on Mudiay - that's encouraging.
The most encouraging thing is that Perry is showing a lot of patience.
Previous regimes would have sent Melo for even less than Kanter and Dougie. He didn't They would have done something dumb at the deadline and he didn't. They'd have let Noah walk just to be rid of him and he hasn't. He's rightly waiting for Noah to be willing to concede something to get his release. I'm encouraged by the LACK of moves in many of these cases.
Draft a 3 this year (Bridgeses or Knox), no long term contracts
Trade Lee
Sign Kemba and get a rotational big cheap (maybe can get a 30 year old Whiteside or JV at a decent rate for a 1-2 year deal). Maybe even marc gaol at 35?
Have Frank and Mudiay battle it out for starting SG spot, bring THJR off the bench, have a respectable traditional center play 24-30 minutes a game, go small with rookie at the 4 and THJR at the 3.
Draft a 3 this year (Bridgeses or Knox), no long term contracts
Trade Lee
Sign Kemba and get a rotational big cheap (maybe can get a 30 year old Whiteside or JV at a decent rate for a 1-2 year deal). Maybe even marc gaol at 35?
Have Frank and Mudiay battle it out for starting SG spot, bring THJR off the bench, have a respectable traditional center play 24-30 minutes a game, go small with rookie at the 4 and THJR at the 3.
If the knicks spend max money it better not be on kemba walker...
a max (Meaning $35M-ish). I think the PG market sort of stabilized this offseason. I think Kemba would be at a premium to what Hill and Teague got, but significantly (~$25M/ish). Not sure what other realistic targets would be, maybe just sit out until the 2020 offseason?
a max (Meaning $35M-ish). I think the PG market sort of stabilized this offseason. I think Kemba would be at a premium to what Hill and Teague got, but significantly (~$25M/ish). Not sure what other realistic targets would be, maybe just sit out until the 2020 offseason?
Again then I choose nothing, why make the same mistake again? It is amare all over again...
At that point you would have a 23 year old and 3 20 year olds you are building around, why add a 30 year old point?
And you have no idea who is going to want to come here..
Knicks will absolutely have a shot at kyrie and even still if no one wants to come you don't force it...
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younger than Kemba. Not sure why its Irving or bust; I take Kyrie over Kemba but i don't think he's head and shoulders above Kemba, also Kemba's probably the better defender of the 2.
younger than Kemba. Not sure why its Irving or bust; I take Kyrie over Kemba but i don't think he's head and shoulders above Kemba, also Kemba's probably the better defender of the 2.
Kyrie Irving is leading the 2nd best team in the east right now and has won a championship, kemba has never lead Charlotte anhwhere...
Kyrie is absolutely head and shoulders above kemba especially if kemba is getting 25 million...
younger than Kemba. Not sure why its Irving or bust; I take Kyrie over Kemba but i don't think he's head and shoulders above Kemba, also Kemba's probably the better defender of the 2.
Kyrie Irving is leading the 2nd best team in the east right now and has won a championship, kemba has never lead Charlotte anhwhere...
Kyrie is absolutely head and shoulders above kemba especially if kemba is getting 25 million...
Kyrie played with Lebron for 3 years. He is replacing Isaiah Thomas (who led the Celtics to being the BEST team in the East). Would you like to claim IT as a top PG as well?
Neither are top 5 PGs... theres maybe 1-2 PGs separating Kyrie and Kemba if you were to rank them.
First off Cleveland wins nothing without kyrie there
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had Kyrie as the 7th ranked PG at #25. IT is #33 and Kemba is #34.
IT is one of the worst defensive players in the NBA in decades, he's a 6th man whose already has had the best season of his career. Kemba is having a career year after having a career year last year. Im sure IT drops out of the top 50 next year.
had Kyrie as the 7th ranked PG at #25. IT is #33 and Kemba is #34.
IT is one of the worst defensive players in the NBA in decades, he's a 6th man whose already has had the best season of his career. Kemba is having a career year after having a career year last year. Im sure IT drops out of the top 50 next year.
Hence why I said 3 years younger and no hip injury, but we will ignore that I guess..
And ESPN rankings doesn't really help your case does it?
I think he is better than wall and lillard and I love lillard
I think Lillard and Kyrie are fairly identical and Kyrie just got to play with Lebron and Dame and Kemba didn't.
Kyrie was young before Lebron, but his teams didn't do crap before James came back. Kemba led his teams to a few 8th seed berths, which probably Kyrie could've done similarly had James never returned. Dame leads his teams to playoffs in the West every year. Again, I take Kyrie but I think the general consensus is that neither are tier 1 PGs (you can knock ESPN but it seems like every ranking views both players similarly).
My guess is you are ignoring defense by the way you are rating Kyrie, IT, Wall and Lowry, but thats just my guess.
I think he is better than wall and lillard and I love lillard
I think Lillard and Kyrie are fairly identical and Kyrie just got to play with Lebron and Dame and Kemba didn't.
Kyrie was young before Lebron, but his teams didn't do crap before James came back. Kemba led his teams to a few 8th seed berths, which probably Kyrie could've done similarly had James never returned. Dame leads his teams to playoffs in the West every year. Again, I take Kyrie but I think the general consensus is that neither are tier 1 PGs (you can knock ESPN but it seems like every ranking views both players similarly).
My guess is you are ignoring defense by the way you are rating Kyrie, IT, Wall and Lowry, but thats just my guess.
No I am looking at everything...
If those guys were free agents right now and money being equal..
I would be extremely happy with wall lillard or kyrie...
It, Lowry or kemba I would puke...
Knicks sign kemba to a 25 million a year contract in 2 years and it is back to same old knicks
I dont see how Kyrie is a legitimate target. Dont know why hed leave Boston. Therefore, I think we end up getting a player like Kemba it Bledsoe unless we sit out until 2020 for a big player.
is because he clearly wanted to come here this past season. Why when the Knicks are a laughing stock would he have us on his short list of acceptable teams?? Clearly there is a reason he wants to play in NY.
I dont see how Kyrie is a legitimate target. Dont know why hed leave Boston. Therefore, I think we end up getting a player like Kemba it Bledsoe unless we sit out until 2020 for a big player.
He already has said he wanted to come to the knicks...
Even if he isn't, you don't panic and go for lesser players like kemba and bledsoe
RE: The only reason I think Kyrie is a legit target
is because he clearly wanted to come here this past season. Why when the Knicks are a laughing stock would he have us on his short list of acceptable teams?? Clearly there is a reason he wants to play in NY.
That was before he was in Boston. I don't know why anyone would leave Boston for NY at this point. I'd bet a lot of money Kyrie won't be a Knick in 2 years.
RE: RE: The only reason I think Kyrie is a legit target
is because he clearly wanted to come here this past season. Why when the Knicks are a laughing stock would he have us on his short list of acceptable teams?? Clearly there is a reason he wants to play in NY.
That was before he was in Boston. I don't know why anyone would leave Boston for NY at this point. I'd bet a lot of money Kyrie won't be a Knick in 2 years.
Ok so your suggestion is overpay for kemba?
If no one comes you stay the course and keep building around young players, no reason to panic
RE: RE: The only reason I think Kyrie is a legit target
is because he clearly wanted to come here this past season. Why when the Knicks are a laughing stock would he have us on his short list of acceptable teams?? Clearly there is a reason he wants to play in NY.
That was before he was in Boston. I don't know why anyone would leave Boston for NY at this point. I'd bet a lot of money Kyrie won't be a Knick in 2 years.
Lol, he wanted to leave the Cavs for NY, how is that different? He was on a team that was a perennial contender and he asked to get traded to the Knicks. Clearly there is something about NY that Kyrie wants.
an All-Star getting paid at less than a quarter of the cap an overpay, but thats just me. If he's getting $30M+ a year I wouldn't do that. But I'd expect Kyrie to get a max offer so what would that be for him, like $35-40M a year? I don't see why Kemba is ludicrous at $25M but Kyrie is a no brainier at $40M.
There would be no reason to blow money aside from guys on 1 year deals, like the Sixers did with Reddick. Go big in 2020.
RE: RE: RE: The only reason I think Kyrie is a legit target
is because he clearly wanted to come here this past season. Why when the Knicks are a laughing stock would he have us on his short list of acceptable teams?? Clearly there is a reason he wants to play in NY.
That was before he was in Boston. I don't know why anyone would leave Boston for NY at this point. I'd bet a lot of money Kyrie won't be a Knick in 2 years.
Lol, he wanted to leave the Cavs for NY, how is that different? He was on a team that was a perennial contender and he asked to get traded to the Knicks. Clearly there is something about NY that Kyrie wants.
I think its been well documented that he didn't want to play with Lebron anymore. I don't think he wanted to go to NY specifically as much as it wasn't a bad place for him to leave Lebron. Now he is in Boston and is an MVP candidate and doesn't have to play with Lebron.
Again, not ruling it out 100%, but I'd bet a lot against it happening.
an All-Star getting paid at less than a quarter of the cap an overpay, but thats just me. If he's getting $30M+ a year I wouldn't do that. But I'd expect Kyrie to get a max offer so what would that be for him, like $35-40M a year? I don't see why Kemba is ludicrous at $25M but Kyrie is a no brainier at $40M.
There would be no reason to blow money aside from guys on 1 year deals, like the Sixers did with Reddick. Go big in 2020.
So if Knicks offer 25 million a year and he goes back to Charlotte, why would charlotte not pay then 26 million or 27 million?
He made his decision that he wanted to leave the Cavs for whatever reason. They were title contenders and he decided to leave. After he made his decision to leave, the Knicks were on his very short list of acceptable teams.
an All-Star getting paid at less than a quarter of the cap an overpay, but thats just me. If he's getting $30M+ a year I wouldn't do that. But I'd expect Kyrie to get a max offer so what would that be for him, like $35-40M a year? I don't see why Kemba is ludicrous at $25M but Kyrie is a no brainier at $40M.
There would be no reason to blow money aside from guys on 1 year deals, like the Sixers did with Reddick. Go big in 2020.
So if Knicks offer 25 million a year and he goes back to Charlotte, why would charlotte not pay then 26 million or 27 million?
You are not getting kemba less than the max...
Judging by how much Charlotte has been trying to trad him they don't want to extend him. Their team isn't doing shit and they'll be paying Batum, D12 and Kemba a combined $75M to be the 10th seed in the east.
I had to re read what you wrote 3x to confirm I did not misread. You hope we get Kemba and some combination of Hassan whiteside or Marc gasol in 2019. That would be absolutely horrific. If we have 4 young pieces in place the goal is 2 get 2 studs, with proper cap management and Noahs expiring ie should be possible assuming the front office continues to clean up their image. Give me kawhi and Klay Thompson or kawhi and Paul George after he opts back in for one more year. Personally I think Lebron will opt in to his final year and Cleveland and add 1 year player option. Lets make a run at Lebron. And if we cant get those big names then sign 1 year deals and go for 2020 when hardaway will finally be gone. Do not waste money on any of those players you mentioned.
I believe that is incorrect, they were only trading him if they could get a bad salary off of their books...
They were not trying to trade just kemba..
Well considering that teams usually use picks to get rid of contracts shows how they aren't intent on keeping this core - they can't get better where they stand right now.
KP isn't coming back till December, so I would think the Knicks have more of a chance to be picking top 5 than a playoff team next year, which would hurt their recruiting ability.
I believe that is incorrect, they were only trading him if they could get a bad salary off of their books...
They were not trying to trade just kemba..
Well considering that teams usually use picks to get rid of contracts shows how they aren't intent on keeping this core - they can't get better where they stand right now.
KP isn't coming back till December, so I would think the Knicks have more of a chance to be picking top 5 than a playoff team next year, which would hurt their recruiting ability.
Why would that hurt their recruiting?
If kp comes back second half of next year and averages say 20 and 7...
And their lottery pick from this year shows something..
They would go into free agency with kp a young promising player and top 5 pick they just made...
Did Cleveland sucking hurt their chance to get LeBron back?
Did Boston sucking hurt their chance to build the big 3?
Miami heat were not world beaters the year they signed lebron...
This is the situation I've been hoping the Knicks to be in for some time now (minus the KP knee injury) so I guess theres no point in rushing anything.
This is the situation I've been hoping the Knicks to be in for some time now (minus the KP knee injury) so I guess theres no point in rushing anything.
Exactly and if they do it right, max free agents will be banging down the door to sign
don't do anything dumb between now and 2019 to screw up the 30 mil that they're supposed to have. I wouldn't put it past them to re-sign Kanter, O'Quinn or Beasley. I've wavered a bit, but at this point I personally hope they don't sign any of them, yet it is the Knicks that we're talking about.
I would actually purposefully mess up the cap space for 2019 if I was in charge. I liked Canty's idea from Humpty and Canty. He suggested that the Knicks offer KP and incentive laden deal this off season, similar to what Philly did with Embid. I would rather the Knicks lock down KP and then remain patient until 2020. This way they don't even consider stretching Noah, his contract, Lee's and Thomas' fall off the books naturally. Maybe the Knicks then look to unload THjr and test the open market.
JJJ: 8/4 w/ 5 blocks in 19 minutes. 3/5, hit a 3.
Kevin Knox: 23/7 with 2 steals, 8-18 with three 3s
Knox looks very solid. Not a superstar at kentucky but he's a great athlete, good size, rebounding, defense, transition and shooting. 7 foot wingspan, looks like his body can really fill out. Can go small with him at the 4.
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Previous regimes would have sent Melo for even less than Kanter and Dougie. He didn't They would have done something dumb at the deadline and he didn't. They'd have let Noah walk just to be rid of him and he hasn't. He's rightly waiting for Noah to be willing to concede something to get his release. I'm encouraged by the LACK of moves in many of these cases.
Trade Lee
Sign Kemba and get a rotational big cheap (maybe can get a 30 year old Whiteside or JV at a decent rate for a 1-2 year deal). Maybe even marc gaol at 35?
Have Frank and Mudiay battle it out for starting SG spot, bring THJR off the bench, have a respectable traditional center play 24-30 minutes a game, go small with rookie at the 4 and THJR at the 3.
Trade Lee
Sign Kemba and get a rotational big cheap (maybe can get a 30 year old Whiteside or JV at a decent rate for a 1-2 year deal). Maybe even marc gaol at 35?
Have Frank and Mudiay battle it out for starting SG spot, bring THJR off the bench, have a respectable traditional center play 24-30 minutes a game, go small with rookie at the 4 and THJR at the 3.
If the knicks spend max money it better not be on kemba walker...
There are much bigger fish for max contracts...
If it is kemba or nothing, I choose nothing
Again then I choose nothing, why make the same mistake again? It is amare all over again...
At that point you would have a 23 year old and 3 20 year olds you are building around, why add a 30 year old point?
And you have no idea who is going to want to come here..
Knicks will absolutely have a shot at kyrie and even still if no one wants to come you don't force it...
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Kyrie Irving is leading the 2nd best team in the east right now and has won a championship, kemba has never lead Charlotte anhwhere...
Kyrie is absolutely head and shoulders above kemba especially if kemba is getting 25 million...
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younger than Kemba. Not sure why its Irving or bust; I take Kyrie over Kemba but i don't think he's head and shoulders above Kemba, also Kemba's probably the better defender of the 2.
Kyrie Irving is leading the 2nd best team in the east right now and has won a championship, kemba has never lead Charlotte anhwhere...
Kyrie is absolutely head and shoulders above kemba especially if kemba is getting 25 million...
Kyrie played with Lebron for 3 years. He is replacing Isaiah Thomas (who led the Celtics to being the BEST team in the East). Would you like to claim IT as a top PG as well?
Neither are top 5 PGs... theres maybe 1-2 PGs separating Kyrie and Kemba if you were to rank them.
Who are the 5 better point guards?
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IT is one of the worst defensive players in the NBA in decades, he's a 6th man whose already has had the best season of his career. Kemba is having a career year after having a career year last year. Im sure IT drops out of the top 50 next year.
I am done, you are putting kyrie with guys like Bledsoe and conley?
Agree to disagree
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IT is one of the worst defensive players in the NBA in decades, he's a 6th man whose already has had the best season of his career. Kemba is having a career year after having a career year last year. Im sure IT drops out of the top 50 next year.
Hence why I said 3 years younger and no hip injury, but we will ignore that I guess..
And ESPN rankings doesn't really help your case does it?
I think he is better than wall and lillard and I love lillard
I think he is better than wall and lillard and I love lillard
I think Lillard and Kyrie are fairly identical and Kyrie just got to play with Lebron and Dame and Kemba didn't.
Kyrie was young before Lebron, but his teams didn't do crap before James came back. Kemba led his teams to a few 8th seed berths, which probably Kyrie could've done similarly had James never returned. Dame leads his teams to playoffs in the West every year. Again, I take Kyrie but I think the general consensus is that neither are tier 1 PGs (you can knock ESPN but it seems like every ranking views both players similarly).
My guess is you are ignoring defense by the way you are rating Kyrie, IT, Wall and Lowry, but thats just my guess.
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I still don't see how kyrie is not top 5...
I think he is better than wall and lillard and I love lillard
I think Lillard and Kyrie are fairly identical and Kyrie just got to play with Lebron and Dame and Kemba didn't.
Kyrie was young before Lebron, but his teams didn't do crap before James came back. Kemba led his teams to a few 8th seed berths, which probably Kyrie could've done similarly had James never returned. Dame leads his teams to playoffs in the West every year. Again, I take Kyrie but I think the general consensus is that neither are tier 1 PGs (you can knock ESPN but it seems like every ranking views both players similarly).
My guess is you are ignoring defense by the way you are rating Kyrie, IT, Wall and Lowry, but thats just my guess.
No I am looking at everything...
If those guys were free agents right now and money being equal..
I would be extremely happy with wall lillard or kyrie...
It, Lowry or kemba I would puke...
Knicks sign kemba to a 25 million a year contract in 2 years and it is back to same old knicks
He already has said he wanted to come to the knicks...
Even if he isn't, you don't panic and go for lesser players like kemba and bledsoe
That was before he was in Boston. I don't know why anyone would leave Boston for NY at this point. I'd bet a lot of money Kyrie won't be a Knick in 2 years.
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is because he clearly wanted to come here this past season. Why when the Knicks are a laughing stock would he have us on his short list of acceptable teams?? Clearly there is a reason he wants to play in NY.
That was before he was in Boston. I don't know why anyone would leave Boston for NY at this point. I'd bet a lot of money Kyrie won't be a Knick in 2 years.
Ok so your suggestion is overpay for kemba?
If no one comes you stay the course and keep building around young players, no reason to panic
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is because he clearly wanted to come here this past season. Why when the Knicks are a laughing stock would he have us on his short list of acceptable teams?? Clearly there is a reason he wants to play in NY.
That was before he was in Boston. I don't know why anyone would leave Boston for NY at this point. I'd bet a lot of money Kyrie won't be a Knick in 2 years.
Lol, he wanted to leave the Cavs for NY, how is that different? He was on a team that was a perennial contender and he asked to get traded to the Knicks. Clearly there is something about NY that Kyrie wants.
There would be no reason to blow money aside from guys on 1 year deals, like the Sixers did with Reddick. Go big in 2020.
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is because he clearly wanted to come here this past season. Why when the Knicks are a laughing stock would he have us on his short list of acceptable teams?? Clearly there is a reason he wants to play in NY.
That was before he was in Boston. I don't know why anyone would leave Boston for NY at this point. I'd bet a lot of money Kyrie won't be a Knick in 2 years.
Lol, he wanted to leave the Cavs for NY, how is that different? He was on a team that was a perennial contender and he asked to get traded to the Knicks. Clearly there is something about NY that Kyrie wants.
I think its been well documented that he didn't want to play with Lebron anymore. I don't think he wanted to go to NY specifically as much as it wasn't a bad place for him to leave Lebron. Now he is in Boston and is an MVP candidate and doesn't have to play with Lebron.
Again, not ruling it out 100%, but I'd bet a lot against it happening.
There would be no reason to blow money aside from guys on 1 year deals, like the Sixers did with Reddick. Go big in 2020.
So if Knicks offer 25 million a year and he goes back to Charlotte, why would charlotte not pay then 26 million or 27 million?
You are not getting kemba less than the max...
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an All-Star getting paid at less than a quarter of the cap an overpay, but thats just me. If he's getting $30M+ a year I wouldn't do that. But I'd expect Kyrie to get a max offer so what would that be for him, like $35-40M a year? I don't see why Kemba is ludicrous at $25M but Kyrie is a no brainier at $40M.
There would be no reason to blow money aside from guys on 1 year deals, like the Sixers did with Reddick. Go big in 2020.
So if Knicks offer 25 million a year and he goes back to Charlotte, why would charlotte not pay then 26 million or 27 million?
You are not getting kemba less than the max...
Judging by how much Charlotte has been trying to trad him they don't want to extend him. Their team isn't doing shit and they'll be paying Batum, D12 and Kemba a combined $75M to be the 10th seed in the east.
They were not trying to trade just kemba..
It is not like 2010 where the knicks had nobody attractive
They were not trying to trade just kemba..
Well considering that teams usually use picks to get rid of contracts shows how they aren't intent on keeping this core - they can't get better where they stand right now.
KP isn't coming back till December, so I would think the Knicks have more of a chance to be picking top 5 than a playoff team next year, which would hurt their recruiting ability.
They were not trying to trade just kemba..
I was told they wanted to attach TWO bad deals to Kemba, not just one.
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I believe that is incorrect, they were only trading him if they could get a bad salary off of their books...
They were not trying to trade just kemba..
Well considering that teams usually use picks to get rid of contracts shows how they aren't intent on keeping this core - they can't get better where they stand right now.
KP isn't coming back till December, so I would think the Knicks have more of a chance to be picking top 5 than a playoff team next year, which would hurt their recruiting ability.
Why would that hurt their recruiting?
If kp comes back second half of next year and averages say 20 and 7...
And their lottery pick from this year shows something..
They would go into free agency with kp a young promising player and top 5 pick they just made...
Did Cleveland sucking hurt their chance to get LeBron back?
Did Boston sucking hurt their chance to build the big 3?
Miami heat were not world beaters the year they signed lebron...
Knicks can to...
They have 30 million right now...
Kp waits that is another 10 million..
Release Thomas that is another 7...
Stretch noah that is 10...
If you need more look to trade lee..
That right there is 57 million..
Exactly and if they do it right, max free agents will be banging down the door to sign
I would actually purposefully mess up the cap space for 2019 if I was in charge. I liked Canty's idea from Humpty and Canty. He suggested that the Knicks offer KP and incentive laden deal this off season, similar to what Philly did with Embid. I would rather the Knicks lock down KP and then remain patient until 2020. This way they don't even consider stretching Noah, his contract, Lee's and Thomas' fall off the books naturally. Maybe the Knicks then look to unload THjr and test the open market.