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NFT: Has anyone been following the SI story about the Mavericks?

Bill L : 2/21/2018 8:08 am
Sounds pretty wild.
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Jesus..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/21/2018 8:19 am : link
what a shitshow.

The whole eye-opening thing about the #metoo movement for me is that guys whip shit out and play with their goods regularly in front of people and bosses tell people they are going to have a gang-bang that weekend.

What the fuck are those people thinking??
Thats a long time for stuff to be going on  
weeg in the bronx : 2/21/2018 8:26 am : link
without Cuban having an idea as to what's going on.
And I'll second the idea - WTF is this guy thinking? Obviously a highly intelligent guy, best education imaginable, working alongside power brokers and becomes one himself at a very young age. And he still thinks with his dick?
I have no idea, but that has always confounded me as well  
Bill L : 2/21/2018 8:27 am : link
It must be a magnitude of power thing that I can't and never will reach or even conceive. I mean some of the behavior or overt actions don't even sound human to me. It just would never cross my mind, even as a want or desire, much less a thing you could do, to just pull it out for display or manipulation. It sounds like something a literally insane person might do.
It’s terrible and that goes without saying  
LatHarv83 : 2/21/2018 8:49 am : link
But beyond that, is this really going to go any place when we are talking about one front office employee who hasn’t worked for them in 3 years? I guess I was expecting more of a bomb shell. The guy is despicable for sure, but as it relates to their current franchise I don’t know how this does anything. I read elsewhere people speculating that they may force Mark Cuban to sell his team like they did with Donald Sterling. I’d be stunned if that happened. I mean we can all say Cuban knew of this stuff and he may have (then again it’s possible he didn’t, I actually wouldn’t be surprised if people felt intimidated to go to him about this guy) but I don’t know how they can pin something so much on Cuban that they can take the team from him over this
That’s not intended to be a defense of Cuban  
LatHarv83 : 2/21/2018 8:52 am : link
Just openly talking out what happens next. I don’t see how they can go after him all that much beyond just wagging their finger and saying you should know
I feel that..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/21/2018 8:54 am : link
these backlash responses that are forcing people out of ownership is pure shit. If there are legitimate complaints involving owners, work it through the legal system, but it seems to be nothing more than extortion to force Jerry Richardson, Steve Wynn and others out of ownership positions.

RE: I feel that..  
Bill L : 2/21/2018 9:01 am : link
In comment 13837779 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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these backlash responses that are forcing people out of ownership is pure shit. If there are legitimate complaints involving owners, work it through the legal system, but it seems to be nothing more than extortion to force Jerry Richardson, Steve Wynn and others out of ownership positions.
There's probably a convergence of strong emotions and outrage: rightous anger at offenders, blind need for retribution, envy over the elite, etc. There's a base need to bring people down which likely has found a legitimate outlet to exploit.
RE: It’s terrible and that goes without saying  
widmerseyebrow : 2/21/2018 9:09 am : link
In comment 13837773 LatHarv83 said:
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But beyond that, is this really going to go any place when we are talking about one front office employee who hasn’t worked for them in 3 years? I guess I was expecting more of a bomb shell. The guy is despicable for sure, but as it relates to their current franchise I don’t know how this does anything. I read elsewhere people speculating that they may force Mark Cuban to sell his team like they did with Donald Sterling. I’d be stunned if that happened. I mean we can all say Cuban knew of this stuff and he may have (then again it’s possible he didn’t, I actually wouldn’t be surprised if people felt intimidated to go to him about this guy) but I don’t know how they can pin something so much on Cuban that they can take the team from him over this


I can see this ending his presidential ambitions. But who knows, maybe this vaults him into the lead!
The male is the enemy!?  
Giants1956 : 2/21/2018 9:19 am : link
In comment 13837779 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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these backlash responses that are forcing people out of ownership is pure shit. If there are legitimate complaints involving owners, work it through the legal system, but it seems to be nothing more than extortion to force Jerry Richardson, Steve Wynn and others out of ownership positions.


I agree with you! But a man who has a need to proposition
his employee's is really lame.

30 years ago, I asked an employee what they were doing
over the weekend. My inquiry was just a conversation starter
not an invitation. The employee became visually upset.
A woman obviously, but very young.

Maybe a thread devoted to men and women might be worthwhile.


Has anyone noticed that boys have been replaced by girls
in most commercial of multi national corporations.Why?

Men should NOT apologize for their sexuality, certainly
not until women do. BUT, the work place is for work.
there was a lot of shocking stuff in that article  
Les in TO : 2/21/2018 9:41 am : link
but the worst part of the article was ussery's defense:

"During my nearly 20 year tenure with the Mavericks, I am not aware of any sexual harassment complaints about me or any findings by the organization that I engaged in inappropriate conduct. In fact, on multiple occasions I and other senior executives at the organization raised concerns—both in person and in emails—about other Mavericks employees who had engaged in highly inappropriate—and in some cases, threatening—sexual conduct. The organization refused to address these concerns, and I believe these misleading claims about me are part of an attempt to shift blame for the failure to remove employees who created an uncomfortable and hostile work environment within the Mavericks organization.”"

You were the CEO. You had all the power to address concerns about other Mavs employees, set the example/culture/values of the organization and fire or discipline people who misbehaved. Who are you passing the buck to
? the board? Cuban?
I don't buy for a second that Cuban had no clue what was going on.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/21/2018 9:46 am : link
Come on.
RE: I don't buy for a second that Cuban had no clue what was going on.  
LatHarv83 : 2/21/2018 11:20 am : link
In comment 13837832 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Come on.


I don’t know. I’m more inclined to blame him for being a piss poor judge of character, or neglecting certain aspects of the organization and over delegating than just purely looking past accusations that came directly to him under his watch.

I would have a hard time believing being a man and knowing how guys talk around men that a serial douche like this guy could hide his true nature if I were to have a relationship with him for 15 years. But maybe he did hide it around his boss, maybe that dynamic changes things. The si author gave details of the office set up and it was just pretty crazy. The hr dept was basically a cubicle of some guy, not an office, and it was within earshot of the ceo who they would be complaining about. You can’t have that as an owner, period. If he was that out of touch with that aspect of the organization then that’s on him
The really frustrating thing is that  
Mad Mike : 2/21/2018 11:28 am : link
if that Isiah Thomas had known how they did things over there, he never would've come to NY to destroy the Knicks.
RE: RE: I don't buy for a second that Cuban had no clue what was going on.  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 2/21/2018 11:40 am : link
In comment 13837954 LatHarv83 said:
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In comment 13837832 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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Come on.



I don’t know. I’m more inclined to blame him for being a piss poor judge of character, or neglecting certain aspects of the organization and over delegating than just purely looking past accusations that came directly to him under his watch.

I would have a hard time believing being a man and knowing how guys talk around men that a serial douche like this guy could hide his true nature if I were to have a relationship with him for 15 years. But maybe he did hide it around his boss, maybe that dynamic changes things. The si author gave details of the office set up and it was just pretty crazy. The hr dept was basically a cubicle of some guy, not an office, and it was within earshot of the ceo who they would be complaining about. You can’t have that as an owner, period. If he was that out of touch with that aspect of the organization then that’s on him



Cuban comes off as an approachable person. I couldn't see anyone being afraid of telling him. Now maybe they would be afraid of it getting back CEO and thus never spoke up.
Bbdts  
LatHarv83 : 2/21/2018 11:49 am : link
Well I’ll speak for me, this is no apples to apples comparison. But in my last job before I became my own boss I worked under someone who was the boss’s right hand guy. I may have observed him doing things that may have been against the companies interest (not sexual harrassment related, and not anything related to me personally) but I knew the boss and this guy were tight. I’m naturally inclined against snitching under most (not all) circumstances anyway, but even if I didn’t have that road block their relationship would have been another obstacle. My boss was a very approachable person, but going to him with news like that could easily backfire on me. So I didn’t. I could easily see employees knowing that this guy was employed so long that he even predates Cuban might feel like their bond was too strong
RE: Bbdts  
Les in TO : 2/21/2018 1:21 pm : link
In comment 13837991 LatHarv83 said:
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Well I’ll speak for me, this is no apples to apples comparison. But in my last job before I became my own boss I worked under someone who was the boss’s right hand guy. I may have observed him doing things that may have been against the companies interest (not sexual harrassment related, and not anything related to me personally) but I knew the boss and this guy were tight. I’m naturally inclined against snitching under most (not all) circumstances anyway, but even if I didn’t have that road block their relationship would have been another obstacle. My boss was a very approachable person, but going to him with news like that could easily backfire on me. So I didn’t. I could easily see employees knowing that this guy was employed so long that he even predates Cuban might feel like their bond was too strong
I think the size prominence and public/private of a company plays a role in how comfortable people are in whistleblowing .
RE: Jesus..  
Matt M. : 2/21/2018 11:07 pm : link
In comment 13837754 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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what a shitshow.

The whole eye-opening thing about the #metoo movement for me is that guys whip shit out and play with their goods regularly in front of people and bosses tell people they are going to have a gang-bang that weekend.

What the fuck are those people thinking??
Right? I know this kind of shit has been going on for a long time and I am so pleased that victims are feeling empowered in droves to come forward. But, I had no idea just how brazen so many of these people are.
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