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Excellent article on what separates Rosen from the pack...

Milton : 2/21/2018 7:57 pm
Play-action! The article uses video clips to showcase Rosen's ability and NFL statistics to demonstrate its value..
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Another place Rosen excels with play-action is his ability to turn his back to the defense on the fake from under center. Using play-action from shotgun is not an inferior use of the strategy, but having a quarterback able to turn his back to the defense then reset to throw is an added wrinkle that helps in the sell of the fake. It’s something Matt Ryan struggled with in his first season under Kyle Shanahan in 2015, but mastered during his MVP season in 2016. Rosen already has this down and still adds his accuracy and anticipation — especially to the intermediate parts of the field — on top of it.

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In Minnesota, Pat Shurmur was a big proponent of using play-action with Case Keenum. The Vikings used play-action on 26 percent of their passes attempts and averaged 8.7 yards per attempt on those throws — despite being below average in run efficiency (18th in rushing DVOA).

As an added bonus (having nothing to do with play-action), here's a link to an old youtube video of Rosen talking about Eli and Peyton and his time at Manning Camp...
Josh Rosen at Manning Camp, June 2016

Linked below is the full article from BigBlueView on Rosen and play-action...
2018 QB spotlight: Josh Rosen and the power of play-action - ( New Window )
if not for the concussions  
Steve in South Jersey : 2/21/2018 8:04 pm : link
I would be happy with Rosen. The concussion history is a deal breaker for me. His career could be very short.


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robbieballs2003 : 2/21/2018 8:08 pm : link
Forget about the character issues....  
Dry Lightning : 2/21/2018 10:30 pm : link
his injury history makes him a foolish choice at two. It would be a stupid move, and one I am confident we won't make.
Several prominent draft sites and 'gurus'...  
Torrag : 2/21/2018 10:41 pm : link
...now have Rosen sliding out of the Top 5. A scenario I find quite realistic and even probable.
RE: The concussion history is a deal breaker for me.  
Trainmaster : 2/21/2018 11:18 pm : link
+1
If the Giants  
mattyblue : 2/21/2018 11:31 pm : link
take him at 2. I am certain they aren’t worried about the injury history. Time will tell
RE: .  
RD in CT : 2/21/2018 11:33 pm : link
In comment 13838637 robbieballs2003 said:
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Hahahahaha
Who won the over under?  
RD in CT : 2/21/2018 11:36 pm : link
After that kiper mock draft there had to be a pool on this post
RE: if not for the concussions  
EmpireWF : 2/22/2018 12:12 am : link
In comment 13838634 Steve in South Jersey said:
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I would be happy with Rosen. The concussion history is a deal breaker for me. His career could be very short.



That's a weird thing to say, his career could be very short. So could any of these guys. He had two concussions in a four-week span, if his skill as a passer and leadership qualities are strong enough, you make him your QB and don't think twice. Otherwise, make Darnold the pick.
Wait  
Joey in VA : 2/22/2018 1:02 am : link
You like Rosen??? Since when?
Milton  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 2/22/2018 6:22 am : link
I'm with you! Screw the concussions. Full Steam Ahead! Rosen will sit for a year anyway, clearing up any concussion issue. Then he will lead us to the Super Bowl in his first year as a starter. Mark it down.
RE: Milton  
Milton : 2/22/2018 6:36 am : link
In comment 13838838 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:
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I'm with you! Screw the concussions. Full Steam Ahead! Rosen will sit for a year anyway, clearing up any concussion issue. Then he will lead us to the Super Bowl in his first year as a starter. Mark it down.
And if he has to sit for two years because the Giants are winning with Eli, so be it. If Eli isn't ready to call it a career, the Giants will get a 3rd round comp pick in 2021 for him. And if Eli plays so well that the Giants would rather give him an extension, they can always trade Rosen for a ton of picks.
Rosen needs to have adamantium bonded to his skeleton.  
Brown Recluse : 2/22/2018 6:40 am : link
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Rosen  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 2/22/2018 6:42 am : link
I'm totally befuddled by references to his "slight frame." The gy is listed as 6'4" and 218 lbs. By training camp he will be 225 lbs. Which is exactly the ht/wt listed for Eli -- 6'4" 225 lbs. I guess Eli has a slight frame, too.
That should read  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 2/22/2018 6:43 am : link
"guy" not gy.
RE: Rosen  
Brown Recluse : 2/22/2018 7:11 am : link
In comment 13838844 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:
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I'm totally befuddled by references to his "slight frame." The gy is listed as 6'4" and 218 lbs. By training camp he will be 225 lbs. Which is exactly the ht/wt listed for Eli -- 6'4" 225 lbs. I guess Eli has a slight frame, too.


It isn't always just about how much you weigh. Its about how you carry that weight. That said, Matt Ryan is the same size and thanks to Ben McAdoo - is the only QB who took every snap under center last year.
Meant to add  
Brown Recluse : 2/22/2018 7:16 am : link
that Matt Ryan is a gym rat and has the strength to *absorb* hits. I don't know what Rosens workout regimen is like.
Rosen just doesn’t...  
Strip-Sack : 2/22/2018 7:21 am : link
seem to be the type of player who will be OK sitting for one year...let alone 2. I suppose they’d get to the bottom of this with interviews but based on his history of speaking his mind, no matter the consequences, IMO he’d be a particularly bad fit in NY for a variety of reasons.
I love how many speak so definitvely about things  
UberAlias : 2/22/2018 8:30 am : link
Rosen's meds and personality are concerns. Are they significant enough that you pass on player of his skill level on that basis? I don't see how you possibly make that judgement based on media reports and here say. Half the folks on here are ridiculously locked into their POV on this --there are some utterly comical remarks on this topic, LOL.

Rosen has a very big upside. These labels are misplaced. QB ready means skill for those who refuse to acknowledge. Athleticism in the QBs is overstated, as usual, and the "upside" associated with others is a wishful way of glossing over real issues there is a good chance will never be corrected. Jamarcus Russell was a big dude with a strong arm a lot of scouts fell in love with his upside too. Its like convincing yourself Flower's issues are just "technique" you can easily fix.

I like Rosen a lot because he's just a damn good QB, not some profile for what my "ideal" QB should be. There are some serious concerns as well that need to be vetted before you take the guy and if they don't check out, you don't take him. But you aren't going to find those answers in media reports.
It always amuses me how so many fans  
David B. : 2/22/2018 9:41 am : link
who -- based on the slightest amount of publicly available, surface-level information -- and with no personal risk or responsibility in the matter -- don't have the balls (much less the info) to make a pick make a pick like Rosen -- and then go out of their way to tell other fans what they would or wouldn't do, or be comfortable with?

And those same fans will go on to criticize a team who's job it is to do EXTENSIVE homework, background checks on character, medicals, talk to coaches, and look under every rock back to to childhood. Decide a guy checks out, and then does have the balls to pick him based on knowing ALL the positives and negatives (and ALL prospects have negatives). And yes, they still can get it wrong (Apple) or get unlucky (David Wilson) -- but they at least have the information and the balls to make the pick. As Parcells said, this stuff isn't for the feint-hearted.


But hey . . .

RE: if not for the concussions  
NYSports1 : 2/22/2018 10:05 am : link
In comment 13838634 Steve in South Jersey said:
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I would be happy with Rosen. The concussion history is a deal breaker for me. His career could be very short.



Every great qb has had concussions in HS and College but since they were not advertised you think they never happened? Give me a break
C'mon..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/22/2018 10:17 am : link
this just isn't fair:

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It always amuses me how so many fans
David B. : 9:41 am : link : reply
who -- based on the slightest amount of publicly available, surface-level information -- and with no personal risk or responsibility in the matter -- don't have the balls (much less the info) to make a pick make a pick like Rosen -- and then go out of their way to tell other fans what they would or wouldn't do, or be comfortable with?


Milton's provided volumes of information about rosen and stuff that isn't just surface level like Mora holding him out in deference to the two families being friendly at backyard BBQ's!!
I like Rosen.  
Keith : 2/22/2018 10:23 am : link
For the past month or so, Ive seen various clips, shows, highlights and writeups on Rosen. I think he's a great candidate. Like most people are saying, I think the combine interview with Rosen will be very important in deciding if he's a good pick at #2. Obviously the injury history is another red flag, but I don't have access to medical reports so it's hard for me to comment on that.

His college record means absolutely nothing to me, not even a factor in where he should or shouldn't be drafted. He has all of the physical tools and all of the mental tools to play QB on the next level.
RE: Rosen  
Gatorade Dunk : 2/22/2018 10:28 am : link
In comment 13838844 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:
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I'm totally befuddled by references to his "slight frame." The gy is listed as 6'4" and 218 lbs. By training camp he will be 225 lbs. Which is exactly the ht/wt listed for Eli -- 6'4" 225 lbs. I guess Eli has a slight frame, too.

Let's see what he weighs in at the combine. College listed heights/weights are not always accurate, and always err on the side of flattering when they're incorrect. As for Eli, his listed height/weight hasn't changed since he was drafted (which is fairly common in the NFL), but I suspect he pas probably added some weight since then (although not too much).

Besides, even if you they were the exact same height/weight, that wouldn't automatically give Rosen the same durability as Eli. He has already been injured more in college than Eli was in high school, college and the NFL combined.
The injury  
PaulN : 2/22/2018 12:57 pm : link
Thing with Rosen is a real concern, you get a player that can't stay on the field at that position and it is a killer.
Rosen has intangibles that remind me of other  
Moondawg : 2/22/2018 3:48 pm : link
great QB's like Ben Roethlisberger and Bernie Kosar.
He’s the best QB without question  
Jimmy Googs : 2/23/2018 12:11 am : link
Just gotta get past the concussion thing.

I think the Giants should...I would.
RE: RE: if not for the concussions  
Brick72 : 2/23/2018 1:34 am : link
In comment 13838776 EmpireWF said:
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In comment 13838634 Steve in South Jersey said:
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I would be happy with Rosen. The concussion history is a deal breaker for me. His career could be very short.

That's a weird thing to say, his career could be very short. So could any of these guys. He had two concussions in a four-week span, if his skill as a passer and leadership qualities are strong enough, you make him your QB and don't think twice. Otherwise, make Darnold the pick.

Two concussions in a 4 week span is not a consideration for a potential #2 pick? Surely you jest. I mean, really?

Let's ignore the leauge focus on CTE for the moment. As a QB the hits he takes in the NFL will make the college hits look like vanilla. A concussion history at a lower level can't be ignored, especially if you are drafting that high. Again, surely you jest.
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