Eli Apple

I'm not too sure I'd cut DRC. Saves 6.5mil, but creates another hole on the roster. I'm not sure you'd find a better slot corner than DRC for the 6.5mil saved.

In comment 13838767 Breeze_94 said:

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I'm not too sure I'd cut DRC. Saves 6.5mil, but creates another hole on the roster. I'm not sure you'd find a better slot corner than DRC for the 6.5mil saved.

I think the question isn't whether you'd find a better corner with the 6.5 mill. It's whether you can better use the money whether it's on the O line or elsewhere in addition to adding a cheaper slot option.

I don't talk to players and coaches, he does. I guarantee he knows stuff he can't print. If he believes that Eli Apple has no place with the Giants, I take that as an indication that he knows things we don't know about. He may not be right, but I take that very seriously.

It's up to him. I don't know what discussions or assistance or counseling have been made available to him so that chip on his shoulder gets knocked off and he concentrates on football and puts last season behind him.
I imagine that clean slate comes with a short leash also.
If he's still what he was,only Cincy or NE would want him( can't imagine him and the Patriots way going well).
Hope he grows up here. He could be real good.
We'll find out over the next 6 months.

He has a lot of talent and a new coaching staff. I'm sure that they'll give him a second chance.

As a matter of fact, you have to believe everyone is given a 2nd chance, (Flowers included). With a new coach comes a new scheme and with that, every player gets a chance to see how they fit into that scheme. Some good players in the old scheme will not fit and some "not so good players" in the old scheme will find new life. Maybe Apple is one of those. I think he'll be given a chance at least even though it might not work out, the chance will be there for him to take a hold of.

If he is a malcontent who has a resentful family
member 'whispering' in his ear who works for ESPN

When you are getting thrown out of practice it means
not having you around is a plus.

Also there has been accusations that he 'jaked' it
and didn't even try.

As I suggested in another post, if you are going to
start over, then I believe you must bring his mother
into the discussion. I think she is also a problem.

If the Giants get him turned around then that would be
great, but I don't think you can even talk about cutting
DRC until you are sure Apple wants to play and that
he can be coached.

I'm fine with whatever they decide is best.

they also had problems with drc and jenkins under mac/spags they did lump blame for losses directly onto the corners under the old staff apple is younger and didnt take the criticism as well as the 2 veterans did

we hoped he would progress in year 2 but he seamed to regress instead hard to judge when spags defence was a mess and mac lost the locker room either way they need to add another DB doubly so if they cut DRC be that in FA or the draft so with that its too early to cut apple he is on his rookie contract so isnt costing them big money either

In 1964 the Giants first round choice was Joe Don
Looney. A very talented football player who had the
talent of a Hershel Walker or Bo Jackson. But, he
was nuts.

The Giants cut their loss in pre-season and traded
him to Colts who couldn't straighten him out either.

He was a disruption! They said he got more fines in
pre-season than the whole Giant team in 20 years.


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He has to go.

that he has a "clean slate". He isn't going anywhere right now. It's on him to come to camp and prove himself.

As for DRC, he plays slot, but he can obviously play outside if they need him to. He can also play centerfield (although his tackling would be a concern there). Given the questions surrounding Apple I think it's short sighted to view DRC as an overpriced slot corner. He is veteran insurance that can step in wherever they need him to. I wouldn't be eager to give that up to save a few million. You can find a cheaper option in FA, but it will most likely be a downgrade.


Honestly, most of you are stuck in 2010 when it comes to player salaries anyhow. 6.5 isn't going to break the cap this year, and he will be off the books next year.

He just wasnt awful, and because hes so young he gave hope that he would improve. But a guy with that attitude idk if its worth it to be honest

It's the lapses, that happen during the course of the game, that he can't shake....

His main problem, is still locating the ball....too many times receivers caught passes on him, because he had no clue where it was....

I agree, DRC is a huge question mark....he is another year older....he had missed some time, the last few seasons, due to nicks here and there(the GB game in the playoffs was huge).....but when healthy, he is the second best DB on this club.....

As someone mentioned, cutting him frees up money that can be used elsewhere, but then you create another hole.....

I think what it comes down to for DRC, is the direction that this football club is going.....if they are playing for now, he is back.....if they are playing for the future, good possibility he is cut....

What 81GD said is also correct, not every morsel of fact reaches the public sphere, there is likely stuff going on we're not aware of.

If he is cut it is because he blew his second chance and continued to act like a spoiled 5 year old off the field. As much as I would hate to cut a young talented former top 10 pick I would rather rid this type of personality from the locker room if this behavior continues.

talk to Apple. Let’s get somebody who knows what he’s doing on the job, here. It’s obvious that this is a cliquish defense . Spagnuolo completely lost them last season . Before you say McAdoo, you’ll have to explain why the offense stayed team, even with the talent deficit , compounded by injuries .

Reading Harrison’s comments this week, one wonders about his mental state . Not for nothing : he sounds deranged . The new staff has its work cut out for them . Eli graded C+ last season when he got on the field . The talent is there . But his antics were inexcusable . However, Collins public dress-downs also were inexcusable . The Giants have more to worry about on their D than just Apple .

I believe Apple staying will be a headache waiting to happen this year. He has talent but it hasn't consistently translated to on field performance. I didn't think he was solid in his rookie year but I saw the talent to be excited going forward. Year 2 was a disaster, plagued with inconsistent play and lack of effort on plays down the stretch. "Leaders" of the defense had issues with him and called him out several times. I doubt those feelings between them will go away.

I understand he went through some tough times last year but I think it is best for the him and the team to part ways. He's going to have a ton of attention on him from coaches, players, media and fans and I think he's going to struggle handling it maturely. If they can trade him for another player in a need position and / or draft picks, they should do it. I would do this even is we don't resign DRC (which I wouldn't). I would resign Cockrell, sign a veteran with a known good locker room presence and draft a CB. I've seen enough over the past two seasons that I wouldn't want to infect the chemistry of the team going forward.

Because he's undisciplined and a complete jerk?

Gentleman coaches etc... need to explain to Apple that he has 2 strikes. ANY bullshit he gets traded, cut, released.
If he has any smarts , he will adapt to the new rules.
If not ... then do what has to be done.

unless they feel like his attitude is so bad he would ruin training camp.

If not, he absolutely has to be retained, coached up both on and off the field, and see what we've got.

I get the feeling Shurmur is a no-nonsense guy and realizes Collins is much more important than Apple. They can say they have a fresh start but the first signs that things go wrong could be toxic in locker room. If they get a good offer, move him.

1) He's not that good
2) He's a locker room cancer (as acknowledged by players)
3) His attitude stinks, he quits on plays

From all I've read, his personal life is a complete mess & I'm not even talking about his mother dealing with brain cancer. He's a young guy who is going through a lot & stuff probably just snowballed this year.

I wouldn't give up on him yet, but the leash is short.

It is really up to how the front office see things. From all reports Eli Apple was a key player in the locker room dysfunction last year.

We don't know what Gettleman, Shurmur and Bettcher view the situation, but they have no ties to Apple and will have a plan on how to build the team going forward.

From all reports the team suspension last year has enabled the Giants to negate the guaranteed component of Eli's salary

It doesn't make sense to cut outright at this point unless he proves to be a real problem. However, I can see a case where Gettleman sees an opportunity to improve the roster by either trading for another player or maybe a draft pick and get the kind of guys he wants.

We should consider Eli Apple in all of this as well. It could well be that Apple will be better off with a fresh start elsewhere.

Here is a thought. Would you feel about trading Eli Apple for Deone Bucannon?

In Bettcher's scheme it addresses one of the biggest weaknesses we have on our current roster being a fast, athletic 'money-maker' ILB.

particularly looking back for the ball every now and then. Running into WRs when they stop or put their hands up for the ball is no way to go thru life as a corner...

to allow him some time to make it up to his teammates and fans for being a horse’s ass...