-Mudiay expected to start according to JH comments over the ASB
-Troy Williams expected to make debut
-Vucevic coming back after a long absence and Aaron Gordon expected to play as well
Tank Update:
-Orlando favored by 4 tonight
-Charlotte and Brooklyn face each other
-Chicago hosts Philly
Last night college ball:
-Sexton 25/2/5 on 8-12 (2-4 from 3)
-Mikal Bridges with 27 points, 3 steals a block and 2 assists. 9-12 (4-7 from 3)
-Carter with 18/9/6 with 3 blocks, 6-10 (1-1 from 3).
So far have been favoring Bridges but Carter looks great; I'd argue he has maybe the highest upside of guys in the 7-10 range. Playmaker, floor spacer, good rebounder, not a rim protector but good man to man defender. Gets compared to Horford plenty; he'd fit well next to KP.
Some of those guys are playing for their careers... these guys are not just going to go out there and play like dog shit on purpose, they are trying to prove their worth to the knicks...
And not for nothing if hardaway plays like shit people here will say oh he is awful, he plays great like last night and it's oh he is ruining the tank...
The 3 young point guards are basically playing to try to prove to management they can be here next year, they are not going to play horrible, burke is basically playing for his career, this may be mudiay last real chance, frank is getting killed left and right and he is trying to prove people wrong...
Also, Simmons absolutely had his way with THJ. He dominated Timmy. That sucked.
Burke was great. So good offensively and worked his ass off. He's short, but he was really good fighting over screens and with his defensive positioning and hustle.
Frank played typical frank game. All the intangibles, can't shoot.
And that was the best Lance Thomas game I've seen in years. He totally handled Gordon. Was great defensively and I liked him attacking the basket more than taking three pointers. More of that, please.
Williams looked like a really springy athlete. Liked his hustle.
We knew though he needed to improve defensively and his shot..
He probably should of had more assists but players missed shots, I was impressed with his passing
Gotta love when a poster talks in absolutes, as if they are in the know. Get out of here with that bullshit.
As far as tanking right now, that shouldn't happen. We as fans may want that, but they're trying to change the culture and play to win, learn how to win, and be good teammates.
A young player isn't going to be taught to lay down, and that's not an absolute, that's fact.
We knew though he needed to improve defensively and his shot..
He probably should of had more assists but players missed shots, I was impressed with his passing
His passing was very good, agreed. That's a real strength of his.
But he earned the -8 in the box score, IMO and it's not a coincidence that when Frank and Burke came in, the defense got a lot better. He just shows real lapses in effort, IMO. I guess that could change, but it's not a great sign. It sucks because I think size and athletically he could definitely be a plus defender. Anyway, it wasn't the end of the world.
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Needs to shoot better absolutely but 8 points 4 assists 5 boards 2 steals, I thought he played well...
We knew though he needed to improve defensively and his shot..
He probably should of had more assists but players missed shots, I was impressed with his passing
His passing was very good, agreed. That's a real strength of his.
But he earned the -8 in the box score, IMO and it's not a coincidence that when Frank and Burke came in, the defense got a lot better. He just shows real lapses in effort, IMO. I guess that could change, but it's not a great sign. It sucks because I think size and athletically he could definitely be a plus defender. Anyway, it wasn't the end of the world.
Agreed he needs to stay committed defensively
He is 6 foot 7 with a 7 foot wingspan, absolutely can play the 4
Heh, the "win a championship argument". Like, I get it, but it's also an argument against having any good players who are not great. We don't know what the cost of Trey Burke will be or if we can "get a vet at 1/4 of that price". What are we gonna do, just keep cycling players over and over again until we hit the "two stars" lottery?
Burke may show that he deserves and NBA contract. Maybe he won't. There will probably be a contract reasonable enough to bring him back to the Knicks or perhaps he will get more money somewhere else. To proclaim that he's a bad use of cap space before we determine if he's rejuvenated his game and what he's gonna actually get paid is weird.
And guys like Lou Williams and Jamal Crawford do NOT grow on trees. They're both better than any guard the Knicks have had in, like 15 years.
I'd love for the Knicks to have too many good guards to keep them all. But that is simply not the Knicks reality at all. The two stars thing is great but the Knicks can't just wait around for lightning to strike them. They need to accumulate assets. Burke could potentially be one, if his resurgence is legit and he isn't handed a terrible contract. He's talented and taken every opportunity to play his ass off when given minutes. He's been better than both Frank AND Mudiay. Hating on the guy is weird.
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He’s not an effective 4 at the nba. Knox is the real combo forward that can play either 4 spot in small ball lineups.
He is 6 foot 7 with a 7 foot wingspan, absolutely can play the 4
Where do you see 7 foot? I was wrong too - its 6'9" according to DX, Draft Net and the Ringer, but my point stands he would probably be the smallest 4 in the NBA if thats his primary position.
Yeah Im just looking in the 7-10 range knowing thats probably where we will end up...sigh
How is one game a tear?
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reminds me of that time Sean Kilpatrick averaged like 18 PPG for the Nets for like half a season and was never heard from again.
How is one game a tear?
Thats a solid point lol. Its easy to see how some Knick fans would see that he's averaging 10 PPG in 16 MPG in the month of February and think we have a future 20 PPG scorer on our hands.
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He’s not an effective 4 at the nba. Knox is the real combo forward that can play either 4 spot in small ball lineups.
He is 6 foot 7 with a 7 foot wingspan, absolutely can play the 4
Where do you see 7 foot? I was wrong too - its 6'9" according to DX, Draft Net and the Ringer, but my point stands he would probably be the smallest 4 in the NBA if thats his primary position.
Google, cones right up 7 foot
Knox is 6 11 and a half and 30 pounds lighter
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reminds me of that time Sean Kilpatrick averaged like 18 PPG for the Nets for like half a season and was never heard from again.
How is one game a tear?
Thats a solid point lol. Its easy to see how some Knick fans would see that he's averaging 10 PPG in 16 MPG in the month of February and think we have a future 20 PPG scorer on our hands.
If you take away yesterday’s game he’s averaging like 7 points a game in Feb tho lol.
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He’s not an effective 4 at the nba. Knox is the real combo forward that can play either 4 spot in small ball lineups.
He is 6 foot 7 with a 7 foot wingspan, absolutely can play the 4
Where do you see 7 foot? I was wrong too - its 6'9" according to DX, Draft Net and the Ringer, but my point stands he would probably be the smallest 4 in the NBA if thats his primary position.
Google, cones right up 7 foot
Knox is 6 11 and a half and 30 pounds lighter
Yeah, Google messes up everyones wingspan which why I was asking for a source. His wingspan is not 7 feet.
Kevin Knox has been most recently listed at 215 pounds (DX has been inactive since the middle of last summer so I don't think they've updated his measurables)
So Knox is ~2 inches taller, 3 inches longer wingspan, and 10 pounds lighter than Bridges but also 1.5 years younger
I don't hold any grudges against Melo. I still love the guy, even though I'm glad the Knicks moved on from him. I'm totally gonna be rooting for Russ-PG-Melo in the playoffs.
But through it all, he finishes every practice the same way: out on that elbow, roughly 17 feet away, rolling through the cafeteria line of post-up moves, feeling the ball leave his fingertips to rise and fall with a helium lightness. It's vintage, is what it is, and he could be happy doing it all day. He watches the sport change around him, sees offenses expand from sideline to sideline and from baseline to half court like filled lungs, and he says, "I watch guys work out in the summer, and it's just straight shooting 3s and pick-and-rolls and ballhandling. Nobody works on the stuff I work on. It's a lost art." He knows all the criticisms, could recite them chapter and verse, and he says, "To be honest with you, I think I might be the only person in the history of the NBA who gets criticized for what he's great at." He laughs hard at that, and he says, "That's OK. I'd rather be criticized for something I'm great at." Fifteen years out there on the elbow, roughly 17 feet away, chiseling stones for his own personal pyramid. It's a way of reaffirming his value in a world that no longer agrees.
So when he's asked to change, to fit his game into this new paradigm, you might have to live with him easing his way into it. As you might have guessed, it's complicated.
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Collin Sexton is an interesting player, he’s made a big impact at Bama despite not playing with a great team. BTW, Cole Anthony is a great prospect. His mama must be a great athlete cause his dad Greg sure wasn’t one.
Rip the Knicks for a lot of things but they have actually been pretty adept at drafting talent. The problem with the Knicks has been veteran free agency and paying bad injured players and trading away draft picks---and they haven't dealt any first rounders away in a while now.
The one thing the Knicks have been OK or better at is drafting players. Problem is they haven't had any first round picks up until now. It's astounding really. This is still a better place to be for a Knicks fan compared to the last 20 years, and this sucks. But at least we have picks again.
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The fact that other astute teams have made good selections with non-premium picks have absolutely no relevance to the Knicks. It’d be like saying, see that hot wife the fugly millionaire is married to, well that ain’t got nothing to do with poor ole me....
Collin Sexton is an interesting player, he’s made a big impact at Bama despite not playing with a great team. BTW, Cole Anthony is a great prospect. His mama must be a great athlete cause his dad Greg sure wasn’t one.
Rip the Knicks for a lot of things but they have actually been pretty adept at drafting talent. The problem with the Knicks has been veteran free agency and paying bad injured players and trading away draft picks---and they haven't dealt any first rounders away in a while now.
The one thing the Knicks have been OK or better at is drafting players. Problem is they haven't had any first round picks up until now. It's astounding really. This is still a better place to be for a Knicks fan compared to the last 20 years, and this sucks. But at least we have picks again.
I think you are giving the Knicks a bit too much credit. KP was an absolute home run but since 2009
Jordan Hill, Andy Rautins, Landry Fields. Iman Shumpert, Kostas Papanikolaou, THjr, Cleanathony Early, Greek opposite of Freak, KP and now Frank/Dotson/Jaramez. Yes, some of these were 2nd rounders but it's not exactly a great list to give confidence.
Hahahah what?
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The fact that other astute teams have made good selections with non-premium picks have absolutely no relevance to the Knicks. It’d be like saying, see that hot wife the fugly millionaire is married to, well that ain’t got nothing to do with poor ole me....
Collin Sexton is an interesting player, he’s made a big impact at Bama despite not playing with a great team. BTW, Cole Anthony is a great prospect. His mama must be a great athlete cause his dad Greg sure wasn’t one.
Rip the Knicks for a lot of things but they have actually been pretty adept at drafting talent. The problem with the Knicks has been veteran free agency and paying bad injured players and trading away draft picks---and they haven't dealt any first rounders away in a while now.
The one thing the Knicks have been OK or better at is drafting players. Problem is they haven't had any first round picks up until now. It's astounding really. This is still a better place to be for a Knicks fan compared to the last 20 years, and this sucks. But at least we have picks again.
I think you are giving the Knicks a bit too much credit. KP was an absolute home run but since 2009
Jordan Hill, Andy Rautins, Landry Fields. Iman Shumpert, Kostas Papanikolaou, THjr, Cleanathony Early, Greek opposite of Freak, KP and now Frank/Dotson/Jaramez. Yes, some of these were 2nd rounders but it's not exactly a great list to give confidence.
I get THJR is flawed but he is still a useful NBA player; he's not a top 3 option for sure but he can be a bonafide bench scorer for a good team IMO. Compared to where he was drafted, he's arguably in the top 10 player of that draft (really bad draft, true); certainly better than at least 12-15 guys taken ahead of him in the draft. Of course Gobert going 3 picks later doesn't look as good
I'll never forgive the Knicks for taking Frank over Mitchell, and I was never a super-Frank fan to begin with, but it is still too early to judge on that one.
You can throw in Grant Willy who were pretty good value picks too. I think you can argue Grant is a better NBA player than about 10 guys taken ahead of him at this point.
Sure, if you go back to 2009 it looks bad, but a lot of the garbage picks were in the 2009-13 range so idk if its fair to associate all those with the more recent (and better) picks.
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I gotta say, Michigan has really put out some talent. Great program you got over there.
Hahahah what?
I think that was a joke.
I can't fully support Trey Burke for winning Nat'l player of the year over Oladipo.
Melo's not the 3rd best player on the team, it's Adams and not close. He's who allows Westbrook to get all those rebounding numbers, turning into a really nice center in the league, arguably top 10 if not top 5.
I've soured big time on Westbrook. Was a fan last year, but the dude is an inherently flawed player who hasn't really adapted his game. So much potential, but you can't win with the guy. They've also been noticeably worse since Roberson went down; their offense hasn't improved enough to compensate how bad their defense is now.
According to woj very big disconnect in San antonio
I agree.
According to woj very big disconnect in San antonio
That's a tough one to pass up. I know that's a knicksy trade to make kawhi is a special player. We'd have NOTHING lol... that trade.. so knicksy.. but how do you say no?
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Frank, Lee, lance this years first 2020 first, bulls 2nd for kawhi?
According to woj very big disconnect in San antonio
That's a tough one to pass up. I know that's a knicksy trade to make kawhi is a special player. We'd have NOTHING lol... that trade.. so knicksy.. but how do you say no?
How would they have nothing?
They would have kawhi and kp to build around, you would still have cap space I believe stretch noah, could create max space...
Really... the only way the Knicks have any shot at greatness is to stay the course here and not make any deals like that one. They can't afford to deal multiple assets for one. They need to hit on multiple picks, not deal them...
Doesn't include cap holds for mudiay or burke...
Stretch noah, looking at roughly 25 million in space to find a 3rd piece..
It could be done
Also would kawhi and kp take less to add a big 3rd piece like the big 3 in Miami did?
Mudiay/burke
Hard/dotson
Thompson
Kawhi
Kp
Does that conpete?
Assuming that doesn't happen, I still believe the Knicks should pay KP max money on an incentive laden contract ASAP a la Philly and Embiid. This would ensure KP stays and protect the Knicks in case more injuries occur. Then they should stay patient, hope they get lucky with the draft, and re-join free agency in 2020. I doubt that they are that patient though.
Assuming that doesn't happen, I still believe the Knicks should pay KP max money on an incentive laden contract ASAP a la Philly and Embiid. This would ensure KP stays and protect the Knicks in case more injuries occur. Then they should stay patient, hope they get lucky with the draft, and re-join free agency in 2020. I doubt that they are that patient though.
Spurs med team has cleared Kawhi to play. He has not played because of reasons Kawhi has yet to share publicly.
According to woj very big disconnect in San antonio
There's no way the Spurs couldn't beat that offer.