-Mudiay expected to start according to JH comments over the ASB
-Troy Williams expected to make debut
-Vucevic coming back after a long absence and Aaron Gordon expected to play as well
Tank Update:
-Orlando favored by 4 tonight
-Charlotte and Brooklyn face each other
-Chicago hosts Philly
Last night college ball:
-Sexton 25/2/5 on 8-12 (2-4 from 3)
-Mikal Bridges with 27 points, 3 steals a block and 2 assists. 9-12 (4-7 from 3)
-Carter with 18/9/6 with 3 blocks, 6-10 (1-1 from 3).
So far have been favoring Bridges but Carter looks great; I'd argue he has maybe the highest upside of guys in the 7-10 range. Playmaker, floor spacer, good rebounder, not a rim protector but good man to man defender. Gets compared to Horford plenty; he'd fit well next to KP.
Lee's minutes should be limited as well need to see what Dotson has
I'd love for the Knicks to pick as high as possible, but if they are in that 8-10 range, either Bridges or Knox would be solid picks. Maybe even Colin Sexton.
Knox is intriguing because it looks like the kid could really fill out, maybe put on another 20 pounds or so over the next few years.
I'd be fully on board.
Yeah none of the guards intrigue me, but the forwards make me excited for this draft
On top of that they don't feel fully on board with Aaron Gordon as a max player, and he looks to be the best player outside of Dwight that teams had in a while. They've traded Payton and Hezonja is a FA and no lock to be back. Unclear what the motive is there.
Phoenix has 3 top 10 picks ( Len, Chriss, Bender) who aren't even starters on a very bad team. Atleast they have Booker and Jackson.
Sacramento hasn't had a winning season since 2005 and their only real building block is De'Aaron Fox who's averaging 11 points and 4 assists on 40%FG. They are the worst franchise in the league by a mile.
Orlando has been bad/tanking for the past 6 seasons. They have a core of Aaron Gordon, Isaac, Vucevic and Fournier. Gordon is the only one who shows signifcant promise but he has he flaws too.
Indiana can be players, do they try luring PG back lol?
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I know it can always change, but it looks like only 4-5 teams will have significant cap space. Really bad year to be a free agent. It will be interesting to see if guys like Jordan or Kanter opt out of their deals. Almost no chance Melo opts out right?
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I know it can always change, but it looks like only 4-5 teams will have significant cap space. Really bad year to be a free agent. It will be interesting to see if guys like Jordan or Kanter opt out of their deals. Almost no chance Melo opts out right?
No chance Kanter opts out. I think it'll take 3 years on his next deal to equal what he will make if he opts in next year. I'd think DJ has more of an incentive to opt out, almost every team that has cap space could use him, I still think he can find a multi-year deal somewhat in the range of his current salary
I think they need a 3 who can defend and shoot way more than a guard.
Doesn't hurt to have some PG vet leadership here. He shouldn't play much if any but Jack's overall presence can't hurt. These so called young PGs of the future will be getting their collective asses kicked here on out. Jack can talk them off the ledge.
I'd like for them to reengage in the offseason.
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Wonder if Indiana would take Lee.
Don't really see a fit for Lee with teams with cap space. Maybe Philly if Reddick doesn't return?
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Don't really see a fit for Lee with teams with cap space. Maybe Philly if Reddick doesn't return?
I was hoping for a Lee-Bayless swap at the deadline where we got a pick or a young player they wouldn't extend (Justin Anderson, TLC, Korkmaz).
Yeah no need to be against either of them. I am kind of hoping they can turn into a poor mans version of Michael Ray Richardson and Ray Williams and be an exciting back court duo.
Gross. Still would much rather have Frank than Monk.
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do Frank for Monk in a millisecond. Not saying Monk is clearly going to be better but I'm also not convinced he's a significantly better prospect than Mudiay. Going forward Mudiay/Monk/Bridges/KP... you could do a lot worse, or even (as some have suggested) move Monk to the 1 and have Monk/THjr/Bridges/KP
Gross. Still would much rather have Frank than Monk.
Not me. Monk still has a shot to be a big-time NBA scorer and is a whopping 20 years old. Frank has lingering knee issues and just hasn't shown anything to lead one to believe he's going to be even an average offensive starting G.
Not me. Monk still has a shot to be a big-time NBA scorer and is a whopping 20 years old. Frank has lingering knee issues and just hasn't shown anything to lead one to believe he's going to be even an average offensive starting G.
Agreed. I'd rather have Monk over Frank.
Plus Frank has seen most of his minutes as a PG, which I don't think is his true position. His form doesn't look natural coming off the dribble. I want to see how he does as a spot up shooter/ secondary playmaker.
Would still take a gamble on Monk, but I wouldn't give up Frank (or even Mudiay for that matter) for Monk. Even if Monk turns it around offensively, I still think his upside is something like Lou Williams; he's a great 6th man if he turns it around.
Well considering that a trade went down with Charlotte, my assumption would be we offered WIlly for Monk and they said "no" and we got 2 2nds instead. Im not sure what was mentioned in the rumors but my guess is that we didnt offer that much for him.
Mudiay is flawed too, but I can see the path for Mudiay being a solid NBA starter a lot easier than Monk given Mudiay's size and athleticism.
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He is - I'm not denying that. He's also 6'3" with a 6'4" wingspan. Nate Robinson is more athletic than either of them, it doesn't help if you're still small and can only guard 1 position (in theory, there's no evidence he can guard at all).
What's the track record for guys of Monk's size and skill set being reliable starters? I think the best case comps for him are the likes of Eric Gordon and Lou Williams. It's awfully troubling that he has shown 0 promising attributes even in the time (albeit limited) he has shown on the floor. I wouldn't give up much for a guy destined to be a 6th man.
Frank doesn't clearly have a position either. Everyone keeps acting like a move to the 2 is some guaranteed slam dunk. He's shooting 35% from the field. Tony Allen (arguably the best wing defender of this generation) career 48% from the field.
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Monk is kind of without a position, being too small to play the 2 and not the passer to play the 1. He doesn’t defend, and probably won’t be anything but below average at that.
Frank doesn't clearly have a position either. Everyone keeps acting like a move to the 2 is some guaranteed slam dunk. He's shooting 35% from the field. Tony Allen (arguably the best wing defender of this generation) career 48% from the field.
Yet Frank clearly has an NBA skill which he has potential to be GREAT with, defense. Monk has shown nothing, is shooting even worse then Frank(despite scoring his calling card). DSJ is shooting under 40%. Lonzo is shooting 35% and 48% from the line.
Can we PLEASE give the man some time?
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Monk is kind of without a position, being too small to play the 2 and not the passer to play the 1. He doesn’t defend, and probably won’t be anything but below average at that.
Frank doesn't clearly have a position either. Everyone keeps acting like a move to the 2 is some guaranteed slam dunk. He's shooting 35% from the field. Tony Allen (arguably the best wing defender of this generation) career 48% from the field.
Yet Frank clearly has an NBA skill which he has potential to be GREAT with, defense. Monk has shown nothing, is shooting even worse then Frank(despite scoring his calling card). DSJ is shooting under 40%. Lonzo is shooting 35% and 48% from the line.
Can we PLEASE give the man some time?
So Monk's shooting last year was a fluke? Do you honestly believe he lost his ability to shoot? Frank is a sub-par athlete with knee issues dating back to the summer. He's shown almost ZERO offensive ability. I know nobody wants to talk about it but not even flashes outside of 1 game where he hit 2 big 3's. His offense has been scary bad. If he doesn't develop a good 3 ball (possible) he's going to be a zero on offense. The "lol only George Hill?" people will be dreaming of George Hill.
This was more of my point than yet another Frank debate. Mudiay or Frank + Monk is a better fit than Mudiay and Frank going forward.
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If both mudiay and Frank develop that would be awesome, but in reality right now Knicks just need 1 to develop, and once 1 seems to be developing more than the other they should trade the other one...
This was more of my point than yet another Frank debate. Mudiay or Frank + Monk is a better fit than Mudiay and Frank going forward.
Why not Mudiay and Frank? When people say "doesn't have a position" it really is a problem if they can't defend any position. Frank can survive as a defender at multiple positions, Monk right now doesn't look like he can't at any.
If we are comparing ceilings, I take a prime George Hill over a prime Eric Gordon morning, afternoon, and night of every single day.
That has been proven this year. It's rare that a rookie comes in and dominates, he needs to get stronger to compete night in and night out. Jonathan Isaac is in the D league.
I think patience is needed before the story is written.
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If both mudiay and Frank develop that would be awesome, but in reality right now Knicks just need 1 to develop, and once 1 seems to be developing more than the other they should trade the other one...
This was more of my point than yet another Frank debate. Mudiay or Frank + Monk is a better fit than Mudiay and Frank going forward.
I really don't see why- what has Monk done to prove he is a viable NBA offensive player that Frank has not? Monk has been a worse shooter then Frank, although a more willing one, and can't guard a paper bag.
I disagree, I think Frank needs to be playing with a facilitator for right now..
Last thing he needs right now is more pressure to run the offense..
Mudiay essentially had just 1 season too though. Having Jokic as the de facto point the last 2 years has made EM more of an off ball cutter (his usage rate has been docked down a bit since his rookie year). Plus Murray emerging as almost a top-10 SG this season kind of took away from a career year for Mudiay.
EM has been a great decision maker at all, but if I had to bet on either EM or Frank being a Point in the NBA it's EM for sure. Frank is a bit more timid with the ball, dribbles high and gets flustered with double teams and doesn't have the quickness to really get by them. However, if Frank can be even a league average spot-up shooter, I like his ability to space the floor and being able to attack close outs and make proper reads as a secondary play maker.
In that span since Christmas Monk is shooting 25% from the field, whereas Frank is shooting 34%.
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Give him a confidence boot and let him gain from the experience. Mudiay already has had the benefit of that opportunity so let the rookie get some time starting and see if he can get more comfortable and see what happens.
Mudiay essentially had just 1 season too though. Having Jokic as the de facto point the last 2 years has made EM more of an off ball cutter (his usage rate has been docked down a bit since his rookie year). Plus Murray emerging as almost a top-10 SG this season kind of took away from a career year for Mudiay.
EM has been a great decision maker at all, but if I had to bet on either EM or Frank being a Point in the NBA it's EM for sure. Frank is a bit more timid with the ball, dribbles high and gets flustered with double teams and doesn't have the quickness to really get by them. However, if Frank can be even a league average spot-up shooter, I like his ability to space the floor and being able to attack close outs and make proper reads as a secondary play maker.
I don't disagree with any of that but Mudiay has the benefit of 107 NBA starts under his belt. Frank has seen only limited time in 56 games with zero starts. I think the Knicks should see if Frank can't get a little more comfortable if given the chance of running things before they simply give up on the idea that he can become a pg. Most teams offer their high first round picks at least that.
Idk people view him as a freak athlete? I thought it was silly he was getting Wall comparisons at the draft. But he is an above average athlete for sure. I'd comp his physical attributes to Jrue Holiday, that would be his absolute best case scenario at this point.
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Give him a confidence boot and let him gain from the experience. Mudiay already has had the benefit of that opportunity so let the rookie get some time starting and see if he can get more comfortable and see what happens.
Mudiay essentially had just 1 season too though. Having Jokic as the de facto point the last 2 years has made EM more of an off ball cutter (his usage rate has been docked down a bit since his rookie year). Plus Murray emerging as almost a top-10 SG this season kind of took away from a career year for Mudiay.
EM has been a great decision maker at all, but if I had to bet on either EM or Frank being a Point in the NBA it's EM for sure. Frank is a bit more timid with the ball, dribbles high and gets flustered with double teams and doesn't have the quickness to really get by them. However, if Frank can be even a league average spot-up shooter, I like his ability to space the floor and being able to attack close outs and make proper reads as a secondary play maker.
I don't disagree with any of that but Mudiay has the benefit of 107 NBA starts under his belt. Frank has seen only limited time in 56 games with zero starts. I think the Knicks should see if Frank can't get a little more comfortable if given the chance of running things before they simply give up on the idea that he can become a pg. Most teams offer their high first round picks at least that.
I guess, but considering JH is still the coach, he likes running 2 PGs historically, so just cuz Mudiay is listed as the starter may not be exactly how it plays out. Maybe he wants Frank to start off going against backups? Who knows, as long as both guys get a majority of the backcourt minutes going forward I won't complain how it shakes out.
Frank hasn't done anything to show that he should start. He can't run the backup offense. He'd get embarrassed by opposing starters.
Frank is not ready to be the starting point
Also missed mudiay wide open
lol, they are working on it. A Dotson sighting!
Every Knick coach since he has been here has loved the guy. There has to be some intangibles of his that appeal to coaches.
#AntiVetMovement
NICE! LOSE!
You post the same exact thing and add nothing else...i am guessing you havnt watched much
Except better.
Unfortunately our 6th man is our best option at the 3 right now. Who isn't all O in the starting 5?
Which is what is happening on the court right now. Jeff is sticking to his word and so far playing the young guys. Hopefully they can get better and can either stick around or become trade bait. There's no sense in playing Jack or the older vets so many minutes.
8 points 4 assist 5 boards
Hardaway very good all around game 19 points 6 assists, not settling he is attacking
Hardaway very good all around game 19 points 6 assists, not settling he is attacking
Hardaway (Michigan Man) is very effective when he drives to basket and isn't basing his game solely around the perimeter.
He's a 2.
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Empty the bench? Did you see who is on the floor? Jesus Christ
-Greg
I don't get Knicks fans.
Do you really expect the players to not try?
And not for nothing it wasn't won by Courtney lee or Michael beasley, it was the young guys play well...
Players will never tank
I get that. But the Knicks nor any team in the NBA is gonna lose out the rest of the year. The Knicks won with the young guys. I get enjoyment out of that.
If it is the young guys playing well how can you complain?
It wasn't jack or Lee or beasley...
I know everyone liked the shiny new toy in Mudiay. But Burke is better.
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I saw who was on the court. I want the Knicks to lose every game the rest of the way.
If it is the young guys playing well how can you complain?
It wasn't jack or Lee or beasley...
He said empty the bench.
We had Burke-Frank-Thomas-First Game Troy Willams-KOQ
I don't know how much deeper you can go.
Mudiay more of a facilitator, going to run the offense,
Mohammed Bomba
Wendell Carter
Mudiay
Frank
Hicks
Hornet
Dotson
Williams
Cut Jack and bring up another D leaguer and have him in the rotation. The top 5 in this draft is as deep as it gets for a top 5. I care about big picture. I am not satisfied about playing for an 8 seed I want the Knicks to build what the Celtics have. They are going to compete for the next 10 years. Sixers as well. Each win is less of a chance at one of those top 5 guys. I want the 90’s all over again, except actually winning a championship this time.
Mohammed Bomba
Wendell Carter
Another big would be good but we need a real 2-way SF as well. I'd be happy with a 3-and-D wing with good size.
You have to be in top 5 to get a porter Jr? I like him but in a good draft he is not a top 5 pick..
Mudiay
Frank
Hicks
Hornet
Dotson
Williams
Cut Jack and bring up another D leaguer and have him in the rotation. The top 5 in this draft is as deep as it gets for a top 5. I care about big picture. I am not satisfied about playing for an 8 seed I want the Knicks to build what the Celtics have. They are going to compete for the next 10 years. Sixers as well. Each win is less of a chance at one of those top 5 guys. I want the 90’s all over again, except actually winning a championship this time.
Again you can't make players tank...
Hornacek had burke ntlikina williams lance Thomas and oquinn on the court in the 4tg quarter what else do you want?
Also burke can't be part of the future? He is 23 years old, of course he can be part of the future...
Also what pick was curry, Thompson and Raymond?
How about kawhi leonard or Jimmy butler?
What pick was Bradley beal?
What pick was giannis?
What pick was Paul George?
You don't have to be in the top 5 to get a superstar
Porter is a legitimate prospect. You don't see that type of perimeter skill at 6-10 except for maybe KD. The Knicks would be lucky to get him.
Just for fun I looked at a half dozen mock drafts. Porter went between 3 and 6 in all of them.
Porter is a legitimate prospect. You don't see that type of perimeter skill at 6-10 except for maybe KD. The Knicks would be lucky to get him.
It is my fault I thought he meant Otto porter jr...
Would I like a higher pick? Of course. But if we win some extra games because the athletic young kids run the floor and increase the defensive intensity, as they did in the second half tonight, then picking one of the athletic small forwards that appear to potentially be in an unusually long second tier of this draft could work out OK. Fortunately for this situation, there are a huge number of centers and pgs projected to go high.
The cultural and confidence difference that could come from busting a gut and winning some games on athleticism and hustle is probably worth more than getting two slots higher than 9. They aren't going to get higher than that anyway-- too much tanking competition elsewhere.
And for down the road, getting Frank, Trey Burke, Mudiay and now even Williams as much PT as possible may actually lead to a few surprises. Just stepping on the floor, Williams may have more value than Lance Useless--and fight for a back-up slot next year. A number of teams wanted him when he was waived, and he picked the Knicks, who made a strong pitch, and where he may fit like a glove.
Everyone would of taken okafor over kp.
And you are forgetting that every media outlet killed the knicks for taking kp..
Pat Riley didn't even have kp on his board at 10...
Sometimes you have to get lucky taking a chance on a young kid...
S.I. has the Knicks taking Knox at #9. I'd be fine with that. (Although "Knicks" and "Knox" ... I can just hear Clyde milking that, and the headline writers too.)
If any of those guys just become quality bench players that is huge for the knicks, no one is saying they are going to be superstars..
Collin Sexton is an interesting player, he’s made a big impact at Bama despite not playing with a great team. BTW, Cole Anthony is a great prospect. His mama must be a great athlete cause his dad Greg sure wasn’t one.
If Knox is one of those guys it will be hard to judge him, Kentucky guys are hard to judge because calipari has each position play specific roles...
One reason I would take miles over mills is because I think miles has a much higher ceiling..
Also I think miles could easily play the 3 or 4, more well rounded offensively and an athletic freak...
This team needs athleticism, Phil built a slow plodding team..
They have a little bit more with mudiay, burke and hardaway getting the back court minutes...
But the front court is slow
Some of those guys are playing for their careers... these guys are not just going to go out there and play like dog shit on purpose, they are trying to prove their worth to the knicks...
And not for nothing if hardaway plays like shit people here will say oh he is awful, he plays great like last night and it's oh he is ruining the tank...
The 3 young point guards are basically playing to try to prove to management they can be here next year, they are not going to play horrible, burke is basically playing for his career, this may be mudiay last real chance, frank is getting killed left and right and he is trying to prove people wrong...
Also, Simmons absolutely had his way with THJ. He dominated Timmy. That sucked.
Burke was great. So good offensively and worked his ass off. He's short, but he was really good fighting over screens and with his defensive positioning and hustle.
Frank played typical frank game. All the intangibles, can't shoot.
And that was the best Lance Thomas game I've seen in years. He totally handled Gordon. Was great defensively and I liked him attacking the basket more than taking three pointers. More of that, please.
Williams looked like a really springy athlete. Liked his hustle.
We knew though he needed to improve defensively and his shot..
He probably should of had more assists but players missed shots, I was impressed with his passing
Gotta love when a poster talks in absolutes, as if they are in the know. Get out of here with that bullshit.
As far as tanking right now, that shouldn't happen. We as fans may want that, but they're trying to change the culture and play to win, learn how to win, and be good teammates.
A young player isn't going to be taught to lay down, and that's not an absolute, that's fact.
We knew though he needed to improve defensively and his shot..
He probably should of had more assists but players missed shots, I was impressed with his passing
His passing was very good, agreed. That's a real strength of his.
But he earned the -8 in the box score, IMO and it's not a coincidence that when Frank and Burke came in, the defense got a lot better. He just shows real lapses in effort, IMO. I guess that could change, but it's not a great sign. It sucks because I think size and athletically he could definitely be a plus defender. Anyway, it wasn't the end of the world.
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Needs to shoot better absolutely but 8 points 4 assists 5 boards 2 steals, I thought he played well...
We knew though he needed to improve defensively and his shot..
He probably should of had more assists but players missed shots, I was impressed with his passing
His passing was very good, agreed. That's a real strength of his.
But he earned the -8 in the box score, IMO and it's not a coincidence that when Frank and Burke came in, the defense got a lot better. He just shows real lapses in effort, IMO. I guess that could change, but it's not a great sign. It sucks because I think size and athletically he could definitely be a plus defender. Anyway, it wasn't the end of the world.
Agreed he needs to stay committed defensively
He is 6 foot 7 with a 7 foot wingspan, absolutely can play the 4
Heh, the "win a championship argument". Like, I get it, but it's also an argument against having any good players who are not great. We don't know what the cost of Trey Burke will be or if we can "get a vet at 1/4 of that price". What are we gonna do, just keep cycling players over and over again until we hit the "two stars" lottery?
Burke may show that he deserves and NBA contract. Maybe he won't. There will probably be a contract reasonable enough to bring him back to the Knicks or perhaps he will get more money somewhere else. To proclaim that he's a bad use of cap space before we determine if he's rejuvenated his game and what he's gonna actually get paid is weird.
And guys like Lou Williams and Jamal Crawford do NOT grow on trees. They're both better than any guard the Knicks have had in, like 15 years.
I'd love for the Knicks to have too many good guards to keep them all. But that is simply not the Knicks reality at all. The two stars thing is great but the Knicks can't just wait around for lightning to strike them. They need to accumulate assets. Burke could potentially be one, if his resurgence is legit and he isn't handed a terrible contract. He's talented and taken every opportunity to play his ass off when given minutes. He's been better than both Frank AND Mudiay. Hating on the guy is weird.
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He’s not an effective 4 at the nba. Knox is the real combo forward that can play either 4 spot in small ball lineups.
He is 6 foot 7 with a 7 foot wingspan, absolutely can play the 4
Where do you see 7 foot? I was wrong too - its 6'9" according to DX, Draft Net and the Ringer, but my point stands he would probably be the smallest 4 in the NBA if thats his primary position.
Yeah Im just looking in the 7-10 range knowing thats probably where we will end up...sigh
How is one game a tear?
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reminds me of that time Sean Kilpatrick averaged like 18 PPG for the Nets for like half a season and was never heard from again.
How is one game a tear?
Thats a solid point lol. Its easy to see how some Knick fans would see that he's averaging 10 PPG in 16 MPG in the month of February and think we have a future 20 PPG scorer on our hands.
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He’s not an effective 4 at the nba. Knox is the real combo forward that can play either 4 spot in small ball lineups.
He is 6 foot 7 with a 7 foot wingspan, absolutely can play the 4
Where do you see 7 foot? I was wrong too - its 6'9" according to DX, Draft Net and the Ringer, but my point stands he would probably be the smallest 4 in the NBA if thats his primary position.
Google, cones right up 7 foot
Knox is 6 11 and a half and 30 pounds lighter
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reminds me of that time Sean Kilpatrick averaged like 18 PPG for the Nets for like half a season and was never heard from again.
How is one game a tear?
Thats a solid point lol. Its easy to see how some Knick fans would see that he's averaging 10 PPG in 16 MPG in the month of February and think we have a future 20 PPG scorer on our hands.
If you take away yesterday’s game he’s averaging like 7 points a game in Feb tho lol.
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He’s not an effective 4 at the nba. Knox is the real combo forward that can play either 4 spot in small ball lineups.
He is 6 foot 7 with a 7 foot wingspan, absolutely can play the 4
Where do you see 7 foot? I was wrong too - its 6'9" according to DX, Draft Net and the Ringer, but my point stands he would probably be the smallest 4 in the NBA if thats his primary position.
Google, cones right up 7 foot
Knox is 6 11 and a half and 30 pounds lighter
Yeah, Google messes up everyones wingspan which why I was asking for a source. His wingspan is not 7 feet.
Kevin Knox has been most recently listed at 215 pounds (DX has been inactive since the middle of last summer so I don't think they've updated his measurables)
So Knox is ~2 inches taller, 3 inches longer wingspan, and 10 pounds lighter than Bridges but also 1.5 years younger
I don't hold any grudges against Melo. I still love the guy, even though I'm glad the Knicks moved on from him. I'm totally gonna be rooting for Russ-PG-Melo in the playoffs.
But through it all, he finishes every practice the same way: out on that elbow, roughly 17 feet away, rolling through the cafeteria line of post-up moves, feeling the ball leave his fingertips to rise and fall with a helium lightness. It's vintage, is what it is, and he could be happy doing it all day. He watches the sport change around him, sees offenses expand from sideline to sideline and from baseline to half court like filled lungs, and he says, "I watch guys work out in the summer, and it's just straight shooting 3s and pick-and-rolls and ballhandling. Nobody works on the stuff I work on. It's a lost art." He knows all the criticisms, could recite them chapter and verse, and he says, "To be honest with you, I think I might be the only person in the history of the NBA who gets criticized for what he's great at." He laughs hard at that, and he says, "That's OK. I'd rather be criticized for something I'm great at." Fifteen years out there on the elbow, roughly 17 feet away, chiseling stones for his own personal pyramid. It's a way of reaffirming his value in a world that no longer agrees.
So when he's asked to change, to fit his game into this new paradigm, you might have to live with him easing his way into it. As you might have guessed, it's complicated.
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Collin Sexton is an interesting player, he’s made a big impact at Bama despite not playing with a great team. BTW, Cole Anthony is a great prospect. His mama must be a great athlete cause his dad Greg sure wasn’t one.
Rip the Knicks for a lot of things but they have actually been pretty adept at drafting talent. The problem with the Knicks has been veteran free agency and paying bad injured players and trading away draft picks---and they haven't dealt any first rounders away in a while now.
The one thing the Knicks have been OK or better at is drafting players. Problem is they haven't had any first round picks up until now. It's astounding really. This is still a better place to be for a Knicks fan compared to the last 20 years, and this sucks. But at least we have picks again.
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The fact that other astute teams have made good selections with non-premium picks have absolutely no relevance to the Knicks. It’d be like saying, see that hot wife the fugly millionaire is married to, well that ain’t got nothing to do with poor ole me....
Collin Sexton is an interesting player, he’s made a big impact at Bama despite not playing with a great team. BTW, Cole Anthony is a great prospect. His mama must be a great athlete cause his dad Greg sure wasn’t one.
Rip the Knicks for a lot of things but they have actually been pretty adept at drafting talent. The problem with the Knicks has been veteran free agency and paying bad injured players and trading away draft picks---and they haven't dealt any first rounders away in a while now.
The one thing the Knicks have been OK or better at is drafting players. Problem is they haven't had any first round picks up until now. It's astounding really. This is still a better place to be for a Knicks fan compared to the last 20 years, and this sucks. But at least we have picks again.
I think you are giving the Knicks a bit too much credit. KP was an absolute home run but since 2009
Jordan Hill, Andy Rautins, Landry Fields. Iman Shumpert, Kostas Papanikolaou, THjr, Cleanathony Early, Greek opposite of Freak, KP and now Frank/Dotson/Jaramez. Yes, some of these were 2nd rounders but it's not exactly a great list to give confidence.
Hahahah what?
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The fact that other astute teams have made good selections with non-premium picks have absolutely no relevance to the Knicks. It’d be like saying, see that hot wife the fugly millionaire is married to, well that ain’t got nothing to do with poor ole me....
Collin Sexton is an interesting player, he’s made a big impact at Bama despite not playing with a great team. BTW, Cole Anthony is a great prospect. His mama must be a great athlete cause his dad Greg sure wasn’t one.
Rip the Knicks for a lot of things but they have actually been pretty adept at drafting talent. The problem with the Knicks has been veteran free agency and paying bad injured players and trading away draft picks---and they haven't dealt any first rounders away in a while now.
The one thing the Knicks have been OK or better at is drafting players. Problem is they haven't had any first round picks up until now. It's astounding really. This is still a better place to be for a Knicks fan compared to the last 20 years, and this sucks. But at least we have picks again.
I think you are giving the Knicks a bit too much credit. KP was an absolute home run but since 2009
Jordan Hill, Andy Rautins, Landry Fields. Iman Shumpert, Kostas Papanikolaou, THjr, Cleanathony Early, Greek opposite of Freak, KP and now Frank/Dotson/Jaramez. Yes, some of these were 2nd rounders but it's not exactly a great list to give confidence.
I get THJR is flawed but he is still a useful NBA player; he's not a top 3 option for sure but he can be a bonafide bench scorer for a good team IMO. Compared to where he was drafted, he's arguably in the top 10 player of that draft (really bad draft, true); certainly better than at least 12-15 guys taken ahead of him in the draft. Of course Gobert going 3 picks later doesn't look as good
I'll never forgive the Knicks for taking Frank over Mitchell, and I was never a super-Frank fan to begin with, but it is still too early to judge on that one.
You can throw in Grant Willy who were pretty good value picks too. I think you can argue Grant is a better NBA player than about 10 guys taken ahead of him at this point.
Sure, if you go back to 2009 it looks bad, but a lot of the garbage picks were in the 2009-13 range so idk if its fair to associate all those with the more recent (and better) picks.
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I gotta say, Michigan has really put out some talent. Great program you got over there.
Hahahah what?
I think that was a joke.
I can't fully support Trey Burke for winning Nat'l player of the year over Oladipo.
Melo's not the 3rd best player on the team, it's Adams and not close. He's who allows Westbrook to get all those rebounding numbers, turning into a really nice center in the league, arguably top 10 if not top 5.
I've soured big time on Westbrook. Was a fan last year, but the dude is an inherently flawed player who hasn't really adapted his game. So much potential, but you can't win with the guy. They've also been noticeably worse since Roberson went down; their offense hasn't improved enough to compensate how bad their defense is now.
According to woj very big disconnect in San antonio
I agree.
According to woj very big disconnect in San antonio
That's a tough one to pass up. I know that's a knicksy trade to make kawhi is a special player. We'd have NOTHING lol... that trade.. so knicksy.. but how do you say no?
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Frank, Lee, lance this years first 2020 first, bulls 2nd for kawhi?
According to woj very big disconnect in San antonio
That's a tough one to pass up. I know that's a knicksy trade to make kawhi is a special player. We'd have NOTHING lol... that trade.. so knicksy.. but how do you say no?
How would they have nothing?
They would have kawhi and kp to build around, you would still have cap space I believe stretch noah, could create max space...
Really... the only way the Knicks have any shot at greatness is to stay the course here and not make any deals like that one. They can't afford to deal multiple assets for one. They need to hit on multiple picks, not deal them...
Doesn't include cap holds for mudiay or burke...
Stretch noah, looking at roughly 25 million in space to find a 3rd piece..
It could be done
Also would kawhi and kp take less to add a big 3rd piece like the big 3 in Miami did?
Mudiay/burke
Hard/dotson
Thompson
Kawhi
Kp
Does that conpete?
Assuming that doesn't happen, I still believe the Knicks should pay KP max money on an incentive laden contract ASAP a la Philly and Embiid. This would ensure KP stays and protect the Knicks in case more injuries occur. Then they should stay patient, hope they get lucky with the draft, and re-join free agency in 2020. I doubt that they are that patient though.
Assuming that doesn't happen, I still believe the Knicks should pay KP max money on an incentive laden contract ASAP a la Philly and Embiid. This would ensure KP stays and protect the Knicks in case more injuries occur. Then they should stay patient, hope they get lucky with the draft, and re-join free agency in 2020. I doubt that they are that patient though.
Spurs med team has cleared Kawhi to play. He has not played because of reasons Kawhi has yet to share publicly.
According to woj very big disconnect in San antonio
There's no way the Spurs couldn't beat that offer.