-Mudiay expected to start according to JH comments over the ASB
-Troy Williams expected to make debut
-Vucevic coming back after a long absence and Aaron Gordon expected to play as well
Tank Update:
-Orlando favored by 4 tonight
-Charlotte and Brooklyn face each other
-Chicago hosts Philly
Last night college ball:
-Sexton 25/2/5 on 8-12 (2-4 from 3)
-Mikal Bridges with 27 points, 3 steals a block and 2 assists. 9-12 (4-7 from 3)
-Carter with 18/9/6 with 3 blocks, 6-10 (1-1 from 3).
So far have been favoring Bridges but Carter looks great; I'd argue he has maybe the highest upside of guys in the 7-10 range. Playmaker, floor spacer, good rebounder, not a rim protector but good man to man defender. Gets compared to Horford plenty; he'd fit well next to KP.
Lee's minutes should be limited as well need to see what Dotson has
I'd love for the Knicks to pick as high as possible, but if they are in that 8-10 range, either Bridges or Knox would be solid picks. Maybe even Colin Sexton.
Knox is intriguing because it looks like the kid could really fill out, maybe put on another 20 pounds or so over the next few years.
I'd be fully on board.
Yeah none of the guards intrigue me, but the forwards make me excited for this draft
On top of that they don't feel fully on board with Aaron Gordon as a max player, and he looks to be the best player outside of Dwight that teams had in a while. They've traded Payton and Hezonja is a FA and no lock to be back. Unclear what the motive is there.
Phoenix has 3 top 10 picks ( Len, Chriss, Bender) who aren't even starters on a very bad team. Atleast they have Booker and Jackson.
Sacramento hasn't had a winning season since 2005 and their only real building block is De'Aaron Fox who's averaging 11 points and 4 assists on 40%FG. They are the worst franchise in the league by a mile.
Orlando has been bad/tanking for the past 6 seasons. They have a core of Aaron Gordon, Isaac, Vucevic and Fournier. Gordon is the only one who shows signifcant promise but he has he flaws too.
Indiana can be players, do they try luring PG back lol?
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I know it can always change, but it looks like only 4-5 teams will have significant cap space. Really bad year to be a free agent. It will be interesting to see if guys like Jordan or Kanter opt out of their deals. Almost no chance Melo opts out right?
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I know it can always change, but it looks like only 4-5 teams will have significant cap space. Really bad year to be a free agent. It will be interesting to see if guys like Jordan or Kanter opt out of their deals. Almost no chance Melo opts out right?
No chance Kanter opts out. I think it'll take 3 years on his next deal to equal what he will make if he opts in next year. I'd think DJ has more of an incentive to opt out, almost every team that has cap space could use him, I still think he can find a multi-year deal somewhat in the range of his current salary
I think they need a 3 who can defend and shoot way more than a guard.
Doesn't hurt to have some PG vet leadership here. He shouldn't play much if any but Jack's overall presence can't hurt. These so called young PGs of the future will be getting their collective asses kicked here on out. Jack can talk them off the ledge.
I'd like for them to reengage in the offseason.
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Wonder if Indiana would take Lee.
Don't really see a fit for Lee with teams with cap space. Maybe Philly if Reddick doesn't return?
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Don't really see a fit for Lee with teams with cap space. Maybe Philly if Reddick doesn't return?
I was hoping for a Lee-Bayless swap at the deadline where we got a pick or a young player they wouldn't extend (Justin Anderson, TLC, Korkmaz).
Yeah no need to be against either of them. I am kind of hoping they can turn into a poor mans version of Michael Ray Richardson and Ray Williams and be an exciting back court duo.
Gross. Still would much rather have Frank than Monk.
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do Frank for Monk in a millisecond. Not saying Monk is clearly going to be better but I'm also not convinced he's a significantly better prospect than Mudiay. Going forward Mudiay/Monk/Bridges/KP... you could do a lot worse, or even (as some have suggested) move Monk to the 1 and have Monk/THjr/Bridges/KP
Gross. Still would much rather have Frank than Monk.
Not me. Monk still has a shot to be a big-time NBA scorer and is a whopping 20 years old. Frank has lingering knee issues and just hasn't shown anything to lead one to believe he's going to be even an average offensive starting G.
Not me. Monk still has a shot to be a big-time NBA scorer and is a whopping 20 years old. Frank has lingering knee issues and just hasn't shown anything to lead one to believe he's going to be even an average offensive starting G.
Agreed. I'd rather have Monk over Frank.
Plus Frank has seen most of his minutes as a PG, which I don't think is his true position. His form doesn't look natural coming off the dribble. I want to see how he does as a spot up shooter/ secondary playmaker.
Would still take a gamble on Monk, but I wouldn't give up Frank (or even Mudiay for that matter) for Monk. Even if Monk turns it around offensively, I still think his upside is something like Lou Williams; he's a great 6th man if he turns it around.
Well considering that a trade went down with Charlotte, my assumption would be we offered WIlly for Monk and they said "no" and we got 2 2nds instead. Im not sure what was mentioned in the rumors but my guess is that we didnt offer that much for him.
Mudiay is flawed too, but I can see the path for Mudiay being a solid NBA starter a lot easier than Monk given Mudiay's size and athleticism.
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He is - I'm not denying that. He's also 6'3" with a 6'4" wingspan. Nate Robinson is more athletic than either of them, it doesn't help if you're still small and can only guard 1 position (in theory, there's no evidence he can guard at all).
What's the track record for guys of Monk's size and skill set being reliable starters? I think the best case comps for him are the likes of Eric Gordon and Lou Williams. It's awfully troubling that he has shown 0 promising attributes even in the time (albeit limited) he has shown on the floor. I wouldn't give up much for a guy destined to be a 6th man.
Frank doesn't clearly have a position either. Everyone keeps acting like a move to the 2 is some guaranteed slam dunk. He's shooting 35% from the field. Tony Allen (arguably the best wing defender of this generation) career 48% from the field.
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Monk is kind of without a position, being too small to play the 2 and not the passer to play the 1. He doesn’t defend, and probably won’t be anything but below average at that.
Frank doesn't clearly have a position either. Everyone keeps acting like a move to the 2 is some guaranteed slam dunk. He's shooting 35% from the field. Tony Allen (arguably the best wing defender of this generation) career 48% from the field.
Yet Frank clearly has an NBA skill which he has potential to be GREAT with, defense. Monk has shown nothing, is shooting even worse then Frank(despite scoring his calling card). DSJ is shooting under 40%. Lonzo is shooting 35% and 48% from the line.
Can we PLEASE give the man some time?
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Monk is kind of without a position, being too small to play the 2 and not the passer to play the 1. He doesn’t defend, and probably won’t be anything but below average at that.
Frank doesn't clearly have a position either. Everyone keeps acting like a move to the 2 is some guaranteed slam dunk. He's shooting 35% from the field. Tony Allen (arguably the best wing defender of this generation) career 48% from the field.
Yet Frank clearly has an NBA skill which he has potential to be GREAT with, defense. Monk has shown nothing, is shooting even worse then Frank(despite scoring his calling card). DSJ is shooting under 40%. Lonzo is shooting 35% and 48% from the line.
Can we PLEASE give the man some time?
So Monk's shooting last year was a fluke? Do you honestly believe he lost his ability to shoot? Frank is a sub-par athlete with knee issues dating back to the summer. He's shown almost ZERO offensive ability. I know nobody wants to talk about it but not even flashes outside of 1 game where he hit 2 big 3's. His offense has been scary bad. If he doesn't develop a good 3 ball (possible) he's going to be a zero on offense. The "lol only George Hill?" people will be dreaming of George Hill.
This was more of my point than yet another Frank debate. Mudiay or Frank + Monk is a better fit than Mudiay and Frank going forward.
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If both mudiay and Frank develop that would be awesome, but in reality right now Knicks just need 1 to develop, and once 1 seems to be developing more than the other they should trade the other one...
This was more of my point than yet another Frank debate. Mudiay or Frank + Monk is a better fit than Mudiay and Frank going forward.
Why not Mudiay and Frank? When people say "doesn't have a position" it really is a problem if they can't defend any position. Frank can survive as a defender at multiple positions, Monk right now doesn't look like he can't at any.
If we are comparing ceilings, I take a prime George Hill over a prime Eric Gordon morning, afternoon, and night of every single day.