NFT: Knicks @ Magic 7:00 P.M.

this is big for the standings.

Mitch McGary at whatever car dealership he is working at and give him a blank check.

In comment 13839726 PaulBlakeTSU said:

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this is big for the standings.

Empty the bench? Did you see who is on the floor? Jesus Christ

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money

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Freaking game to win this team is so freaking pathetic

out there.

-Greg

In comment 13839733 GMEN46 said:

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Freaking game to win this team is so freaking pathetic

I don't get Knicks fans.

In comment 13839733 GMEN46 said:

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Freaking game to win this team is so freaking pathetic

Do you really expect the players to not try?

And not for nothing it wasn't won by Courtney lee or Michael beasley, it was the young guys play well...

Players will never tank

I saw who was on the court. I want the Knicks to lose every game the rest of the way.

Plays hard on the D end. Good job kid.

In comment 13839742 PaulBlakeTSU said:

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I saw who was on the court. I want the Knicks to lose every game the rest of the way.

I get that. But the Knicks nor any team in the NBA is gonna lose out the rest of the year. The Knicks won with the young guys. I get enjoyment out of that.

In comment 13839742 PaulBlakeTSU said:

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I saw who was on the court. I want the Knicks to lose every game the rest of the way.

If it is the young guys playing well how can you complain?

It wasn't jack or Lee or beasley...

who is our best PG. It's Burke. Has been since he was in the G-League.

I know everyone liked the shiny new toy in Mudiay. But Burke is better.

In comment 13839745 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 13839742 PaulBlakeTSU said: Quote: I saw who was on the court. I want the Knicks to lose every game the rest of the way. If it is the young guys playing well how can you complain? It wasn't jack or Lee or beasley...

He said empty the bench.

We had Burke-Frank-Thomas-First Game Troy Willams-KOQ

I don't know how much deeper you can go.

Burke is a scorer...

Mudiay more of a facilitator, going to run the offense,

loves his wife half as much as he loves Lance Thomas.

Perry and Mills will be looking for a big to play alongside KP

Mohammed Bomba
Wendell Carter

Is not part of the future unless it’s part of a trade. His upside is an undersized Jamal Crawford. There is no way I’m giving Burke any money in 2019. I hope he puts 20-10 up every game in a losing effort and at the draft Knicks can trade Noah, Burke and one of those magical 2nd rd picks for an expiring contract. Other than I could care less about Burke putting up big numbers against a crappy team. To me the following guys should play 30+ mins the rest of the way:

Mudiay
Frank
Hicks
Hornet
Dotson
Williams

Cut Jack and bring up another D leaguer and have him in the rotation. The top 5 in this draft is as deep as it gets for a top 5. I care about big picture. I am not satisfied about playing for an 8 seed I want the Knicks to build what the Celtics have. They are going to compete for the next 10 years. Sixers as well. Each win is less of a chance at one of those top 5 guys. I want the 90’s all over again, except actually winning a championship this time.

In comment 13839759 Earl the goat said:

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Perry and Mills will be looking for a big to play alongside KP Mohammed Bomba Wendell Carter

Another big would be good but we need a real 2-way SF as well. I'd be happy with a 3-and-D wing with good size.

Is exactly what we need, but we need to be in the top 5 to get him.

In comment 13839767 GMEN46 said:

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Is exactly what we need, but we need to be in the top 5 to get him.

You have to be in top 5 to get a porter Jr? I like him but in a good draft he is not a top 5 pick..

In comment 13839760 GMEN46 said:

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Is not part of the future unless it’s part of a trade. His upside is an undersized Jamal Crawford. There is no way I’m giving Burke any money in 2019. I hope he puts 20-10 up every game in a losing effort and at the draft Knicks can trade Noah, Burke and one of those magical 2nd rd picks for an expiring contract. Other than I could care less about Burke putting up big numbers against a crappy team. To me the following guys should play 30+ mins the rest of the way: Mudiay Frank Hicks Hornet Dotson Williams Cut Jack and bring up another D leaguer and have him in the rotation. The top 5 in this draft is as deep as it gets for a top 5. I care about big picture. I am not satisfied about playing for an 8 seed I want the Knicks to build what the Celtics have. They are going to compete for the next 10 years. Sixers as well. Each win is less of a chance at one of those top 5 guys. I want the 90’s all over again, except actually winning a championship this time.

Again you can't make players tank...

Hornacek had burke ntlikina williams lance Thomas and oquinn on the court in the 4tg quarter what else do you want?


Also burke can't be part of the future? He is 23 years old, of course he can be part of the future...

Also what pick was curry, Thompson and Raymond?

How about kawhi leonard or Jimmy butler?

What pick was Bradley beal?

What pick was giannis?

What pick was Paul George?

You don't have to be in the top 5 to get a superstar

No. 1 pick.

Porter is a legitimate prospect. You don't see that type of perimeter skill at 6-10 except for maybe KD. The Knicks would be lucky to get him.

Will be 26 in November not 23 and they are not going to pay him any money in 2019, so he will be used as trade bait in offseason or next year.

In comment 13839795 Jim in Hoboken said:

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Porter is a legitimate prospect. You don't see that type of perimeter skill at 6-10 except for maybe KD. The Knicks would be lucky to get him.

Just for fun I looked at a half dozen mock drafts. Porter went between 3 and 6 in all of them.

In comment 13839795 Jim in Hoboken said:

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No. 1 pick. Porter is a legitimate prospect. You don't see that type of perimeter skill at 6-10 except for maybe KD. The Knicks would be lucky to get him.

It is my fault I thought he meant Otto porter jr...

Given the pg situation right now and the other needs, I kinda doubt that. But that site has Knox and the two Bridges at the 10th-12th spots--all very athletic small forwards. SI has one of the Bridges guys lasting until 12th. The team needs a big athletic, scoring small forward, badly.

Would I like a higher pick? Of course. But if we win some extra games because the athletic young kids run the floor and increase the defensive intensity, as they did in the second half tonight, then picking one of the athletic small forwards that appear to potentially be in an unusually long second tier of this draft could work out OK. Fortunately for this situation, there are a huge number of centers and pgs projected to go high.

The cultural and confidence difference that could come from busting a gut and winning some games on athleticism and hustle is probably worth more than getting two slots higher than 9. They aren't going to get higher than that anyway-- too much tanking competition elsewhere.

And for down the road, getting Frank, Trey Burke, Mudiay and now even Williams as much PT as possible may actually lead to a few surprises. Just stepping on the floor, Williams may have more value than Lance Useless--and fight for a back-up slot next year. A number of teams wanted him when he was waived, and he picked the Knicks, who made a strong pitch, and where he may fit like a glove.

Like they fucked up the kp pick?

In the 8 to 10 range

If the Knicks don’t pick in the top five, I want Knox. Not a big fan of the two Bridges. Mikal is a late bloomer and prob don’t have the upside. He’d be like Frank, the un-sexy pick. Miles is putting up the same exact stats as last year, plus players like him, undersized college PF’s having to play SF in the pros, tend not to fare well. Players like Jackson and Williams are intriguing, but we really do need perimeter help. Mudiay, Burke and Troy Williams are other people’s trash that we Knick fans treat like gold because we are so desperate.

In comment 13839816 Jim in Hoboken said:

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If the Knicks don’t pick in the top five, I want Knox. Not a big fan of the two Bridges. Mikal is a late bloomer and prob don’t have the upside. He’d be like Frank, the un-sexy pick. Miles is putting up the same exact stats as last year, plus players like him, undersized college PF’s having to play SF in the pros, tend not to fare well. Players like Jackson and Williams are intriguing, but we really do need perimeter help. Mudiay, Burke and Troy Williams are other people’s trash that we Knick fans treat like gold because we are so desperate.

Everyone would of taken okafor over kp.

And you are forgetting that every media outlet killed the knicks for taking kp..

Pat Riley didn't even have kp on his board at 10...

has approx. a 6% chance of getting one of the top three picks in the lottery, while the 7th seed has approx. a 15% chance. So even if we tank down a couple of spots, the odds are heavily against winning the lottery. Not that we've had any luck in that at all since Patrick Ewing.

Mudiay or burke can't be part of the future because another team drafted them and it didn't workout with those teams...

Sometimes you have to get lucky taking a chance on a young kid...

In comment 13839816 Jim in Hoboken said:

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If the Knicks don’t pick in the top five, I want Knox.

S.I. has the Knicks taking Knox at #9. I'd be fine with that. (Although "Knicks" and "Knox" ... I can just hear Clyde milking that, and the headline writers too.)

Mudiay, burke and Williams is exactly what the knicks are supposed to be doing and you are ripping them for it...

If any of those guys just become quality bench players that is huge for the knicks, no one is saying they are going to be superstars..

The fact that other astute teams have made good selections with non-premium picks have absolutely no relevance to the Knicks. It’d be like saying, see that hot wife the fugly millionaire is married to, well that ain’t got nothing to do with poor ole me....

Collin Sexton is an interesting player, he’s made a big impact at Bama despite not playing with a great team. BTW, Cole Anthony is a great prospect. His mama must be a great athlete cause his dad Greg sure wasn’t one.

My point was you don't always have to be in the top 5 to find star players or impact players...

play more. I'm not that familiar with a lot of them, partly 'cause so many are one-and-done these days.

In comment 13839838 Del Shofner said:

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play more. I'm not that familiar with a lot of them, partly 'cause so many are one-and-done these days.

If Knox is one of those guys it will be hard to judge him, Kentucky guys are hard to judge because calipari has each position play specific roles...

His three point shooting has improved from 30% to 41% in three years, excellent athlete, excellent defender, winner, experienced, well-coached. Perhaps he doesn't have the upside we all crave, but he brings a lot to the table. Miles Bridges would be my second choice, then Knox (his "low motor" rep concerns me a bit).

In comment 13839849 bceagle05 said:

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His three point shooting has improved from 30% to 41% in three years, excellent athlete, excellent defender, winner, experienced, well-coached. Perhaps he doesn't have the upside we all crave, but he brings a lot to the table. Miles Bridges would be my second choice, then Knox (his "low motor" rep concerns me a bit).

One reason I would take miles over mills is because I think miles has a much higher ceiling..

Also I think miles could easily play the 3 or 4, more well rounded offensively and an athletic freak...

This team needs athleticism, Phil built a slow plodding team..

They have a little bit more with mudiay, burke and hardaway getting the back court minutes...

But the front court is slow

guys who could put up a triple-double or jump out of the gym, so here we are. One of the most ridiculous things ever said by a GM/president of a basketball team.

Do you expect guys like mudiay, frank, burke, williams, Dotson, hardaway just to lay down?

Some of those guys are playing for their careers... these guys are not just going to go out there and play like dog shit on purpose, they are trying to prove their worth to the knicks...

And not for nothing if hardaway plays like shit people here will say oh he is awful, he plays great like last night and it's oh he is ruining the tank...

The 3 young point guards are basically playing to try to prove to management they can be here next year, they are not going to play horrible, burke is basically playing for his career, this may be mudiay last real chance, frank is getting killed left and right and he is trying to prove people wrong...

On the bad side, Mudiay was absolutely lazy on a lot of defensive possessions. And he's not good enough offensively to make up for that. He was definitely a negative for that.

Also, Simmons absolutely had his way with THJ. He dominated Timmy. That sucked.

Burke was great. So good offensively and worked his ass off. He's short, but he was really good fighting over screens and with his defensive positioning and hustle.

Frank played typical frank game. All the intangibles, can't shoot.

And that was the best Lance Thomas game I've seen in years. He totally handled Gordon. Was great defensively and I liked him attacking the basket more than taking three pointers. More of that, please.

Williams looked like a really springy athlete. Liked his hustle.

Needs to shoot better absolutely but 8 points 4 assists 5 boards 2 steals, I thought he played well...

We knew though he needed to improve defensively and his shot..

He probably should of had more assists but players missed shots, I was impressed with his passing

In comment 13839802 GMEN46 said:

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Will be 26 in November not 23 and they are not going to pay him any money in 2019, so he will be used as trade bait in offseason or next year.

Gotta love when a poster talks in absolutes, as if they are in the know. Get out of here with that bullshit.

As far as tanking right now, that shouldn't happen. We as fans may want that, but they're trying to change the culture and play to win, learn how to win, and be good teammates.

A young player isn't going to be taught to lay down, and that's not an absolute, that's fact.

In comment 13839965 nygiants16 said:

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Needs to shoot better absolutely but 8 points 4 assists 5 boards 2 steals, I thought he played well... We knew though he needed to improve defensively and his shot.. He probably should of had more assists but players missed shots, I was impressed with his passing

His passing was very good, agreed. That's a real strength of his.

But he earned the -8 in the box score, IMO and it's not a coincidence that when Frank and Burke came in, the defense got a lot better. He just shows real lapses in effort, IMO. I guess that could change, but it's not a great sign. It sucks because I think size and athletically he could definitely be a plus defender. Anyway, it wasn't the end of the world.

In comment 13839973 Heisenberg said:

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In comment 13839965 nygiants16 said: Quote: Needs to shoot better absolutely but 8 points 4 assists 5 boards 2 steals, I thought he played well... We knew though he needed to improve defensively and his shot.. He probably should of had more assists but players missed shots, I was impressed with his passing His passing was very good, agreed. That's a real strength of his. But he earned the -8 in the box score, IMO and it's not a coincidence that when Frank and Burke came in, the defense got a lot better. He just shows real lapses in effort, IMO. I guess that could change, but it's not a great sign. It sucks because I think size and athletically he could definitely be a plus defender. Anyway, it wasn't the end of the world.

Agreed he needs to stay committed defensively