Davis Webb: "I'm Going To Compete."

It shouldn't deter us from taking a QB.

I would love a real Qb competition, and Webb is certainly not afraid of one.

If both are good enough to start, we can certainly trade one for a high draft pick. Something the Eagles seem to do every couple of years.

Thanks for the link. My only comment is that the NFL rules via the CBA are shit.

And we will not know until the Giants made their first draft pick. It should be interesting to find out if the Giants think Webb is the future or not. It always may reshuffle everyone else's thoughts should the Giants pass on one of those top QBs

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And we will not know until the Giants made their first draft pick. It should be interesting to find out if the Giants think Webb is the future or not. It always may reshuffle everyone else's thoughts should the Giants pass on one of those top QBs

Disagree. He's a complete unknown and it shouldn't stop us from drafting a QB at all. Let them compete for the spot and if Webb wins the job, that'll be a great problem to have. The more I think about this draft, the more confident I am that the Giants would be stupid to not take a QB. They have to take one of these blue chip QB prospects.

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It shouldn't deter us from taking a QB. I would love a real Qb competition, and Webb is certainly not afraid of one. If both are good enough to start, we can certainly trade one for a high draft pick. Something the Eagles seem to do every couple of years.

If we draft a QB at #2, he's going to be our guy. If he isn't, for example losing to Webb in a QB competition, then his trade value is tanked. No better than a second round pick. And that might be generous.

But if the Giants think one of these QBs in the draft is can't-miss, they better take him.

& he seems like a good guy/hard worker. But Webb shouldn't preclude us from taking a QB @ 2 if a potential franchise QB is sitting there.

In comment 13838998 Bramton1 said:

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In comment 13838989 BigBlueDownTheShore said: Quote: It shouldn't deter us from taking a QB. I would love a real Qb competition, and Webb is certainly not afraid of one. If both are good enough to start, we can certainly trade one for a high draft pick. Something the Eagles seem to do every couple of years. If we draft a QB at #2, he's going to be our guy. If he isn't, for example losing to Webb in a QB competition, then his trade value is tanked. No better than a second round pick. And that might be generous.

This is so far from the truth. So the Giants draft Darnold and Webb proves to be a really good QB and wins the job in 2019, you think Darnold wouldn't have any trade value? You are so wrong. Sam Bradford just got traded for a 1st a few years ago. He'd have immense value in this scenario.

He's going to be a coach one day so his work ethic is going to be there if he's a starter or not. Obviously he wants to be great and compete but he already knows he's a lifer.

Webb, if he doesn't have the chops to be a starter, will be an excellent backup just based on his wiring and football brain.

is an unknown. We know nothing. The Giants know next to nothing. He won't influence whether they take a QB at #2. This isn't about Webb. It's about the fact aside from perhaps Darnold, there isn't a QB worth the #2 pick. And I'm not even that sure about Darnold.

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is an unknown. We know nothing. The Giants know next to nothing. He won't influence whether they take a QB at #2. This isn't about Webb. It's about the fact aside from perhaps Darnold, there isn't a QB worth the #2 pick. And I'm not even that sure about Darnold.

LOL. Based on what? I have seen tons of reports and scouts that say there are 3 worthy candidates at #2.

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is an unknown. We know nothing. The Giants know next to nothing. He won't influence whether they take a QB at #2. This isn't about Webb. It's about the fact aside from perhaps Darnold, there isn't a QB worth the #2 pick. And I'm not even that sure about Darnold.

The Giants know more than we think they do. And Webb will certainly influence their decision.

People need to stop looking at everything in a vacuum.

In comment 13839002 Keith said:

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In comment 13838998 Bramton1 said: Quote: In comment 13838989 BigBlueDownTheShore said: Quote: It shouldn't deter us from taking a QB. I would love a real Qb competition, and Webb is certainly not afraid of one. If both are good enough to start, we can certainly trade one for a high draft pick. Something the Eagles seem to do every couple of years. If we draft a QB at #2, he's going to be our guy. If he isn't, for example losing to Webb in a QB competition, then his trade value is tanked. No better than a second round pick. And that might be generous. This is so far from the truth. So the Giants draft Darnold and Webb proves to be a really good QB and wins the job in 2019, you think Darnold wouldn't have any trade value? You are so wrong. Sam Bradford just got traded for a 1st a few years ago. He'd have immense value in this scenario.

Sam Bradford had been a starter in the league. No offense but your point makes no sense. Secondly, you can't have ELI, Webb and a #2 pick and say the other two battle it out for the backup role. If you draft a guy at #2, he is the backup at the very least. He will need a TON of fucking reps and they can't be split with another guy. My god people, we can't waste a #2 on a QB and then say battle it out with this guy and lets see who wins. If he has to battle Webb then he wasn't worth a #2 in the draft!

my guy! Just on his commitment to be better and hone his craft relentlessly. I feel like he can be just as good as Jared Goff / Nick Foles and that's enough to win in this NFL climate if the proper pieces are around him. It's funny that people say Gettleman and Shurmur know nothing about this kid, they are wrong. He is a more known quantity than either Rosen or Darnold at this point since he's been in the building every day for the last year. I truly feel like by year three he will be able to fully take over. I hope the Gints trade down or pick Barkley.

please speak for yourself/fans. We may not know nothing, but the Giants do. It depends on whether they like what they see and what they project that translating to long-term.

We will know soon what they think of him.

And I'm not sure any of the 2018 QBs are worth taking with him in mind. If one of them jumped off the grade sheet, then you push Webb to the side a bit. But I don't see that being the case, so might as well use #2 to pick a premium talent at another position, compete with Eli for 2018, and let Webb show what he progressed on in training camp/preseason.

Webb checks a lot of boxes and the intangibles are near top notch. Let's see what he has.

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And I'm not sure any of the 2018 QBs are worth taking with him in mind. If one of them jumped off the grade sheet, then you push Webb to the side a bit. But I don't see that being the case, so might as well use #2 to pick a premium talent at another position, compete with Eli for 2018, and let Webb show what he progressed on in training camp/preseason. Webb checks a lot of boxes and the intangibles are near top notch. Let's see what he has.

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This.

Could not agree more.

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And I'm not sure any of the 2018 QBs are worth taking with him in mind. If one of them jumped off the grade sheet, then you push Webb to the side a bit. But I don't see that being the case, so might as well use #2 to pick a premium talent at another position, compete with Eli for 2018, and let Webb show what he progressed on in training camp/preseason. Webb checks a lot of boxes and the intangibles are near top notch. Let's see what he has.

Why are flip flopping on Webb. You have said many times that you do not think he will amount to anything more then a backup QB.

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In comment 13839023 Sy'56 said: Quote: And I'm not sure any of the 2018 QBs are worth taking with him in mind. If one of them jumped off the grade sheet, then you push Webb to the side a bit. But I don't see that being the case, so might as well use #2 to pick a premium talent at another position, compete with Eli for 2018, and let Webb show what he progressed on in training camp/preseason. Webb checks a lot of boxes and the intangibles are near top notch. Let's see what he has. Why are flip flopping on Webb. You have said many times that you do not think he will amount to anything more then a backup QB.

Sy has evolved into Dotinno on the Webb question. I didn't see that coming. I guess the trade down threads are going to start raining down now.

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is an unknown. We know nothing. The Giants know next to nothing. He won't influence whether they take a QB at #2. This isn't about Webb. It's about the fact aside from perhaps Darnold, there isn't a QB worth the #2 pick. And I'm not even that sure about Darnold.

+1

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And I'm not sure any of the 2018 QBs are worth taking with him in mind. If one of them jumped off the grade sheet, then you push Webb to the side a bit. But I don't see that being the case, so might as well use #2 to pick a premium talent at another position, compete with Eli for 2018, and let Webb show what he progressed on in training camp/preseason. Webb checks a lot of boxes and the intangibles are near top notch. Let's see what he has.

Sy, I take it you like Barkley for NYG?

In comment 13839017 jvm52106 said:

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In comment 13839002 Keith said: Quote: In comment 13838998 Bramton1 said: Quote: In comment 13838989 BigBlueDownTheShore said: Quote: It shouldn't deter us from taking a QB. I would love a real Qb competition, and Webb is certainly not afraid of one. If both are good enough to start, we can certainly trade one for a high draft pick. Something the Eagles seem to do every couple of years. If we draft a QB at #2, he's going to be our guy. If he isn't, for example losing to Webb in a QB competition, then his trade value is tanked. No better than a second round pick. And that might be generous. This is so far from the truth. So the Giants draft Darnold and Webb proves to be a really good QB and wins the job in 2019, you think Darnold wouldn't have any trade value? You are so wrong. Sam Bradford just got traded for a 1st a few years ago. He'd have immense value in this scenario. Sam Bradford had been a starter in the league. No offense but your point makes no sense. Secondly, you can't have ELI, Webb and a #2 pick and say the other two battle it out for the backup role. If you draft a guy at #2, he is the backup at the very least. He will need a TON of fucking reps and they can't be split with another guy. My god people, we can't waste a #2 on a QB and then say battle it out with this guy and lets see who wins. If he has to battle Webb then he wasn't worth a #2 in the draft!

No,my point makes perfect sense. However, the example probably wasn't great. If we draft a QB at 2 and Webb turns into the starter, the #2 draft pick will have plenty of trade value. Fact.

I am also of the belief that Eli should be gone. We should draft a #2 and let him and Webb compete for the starting job. the Giants must believe that we can win in 2018 so they are keeping Eli around(for now), but I would not.

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It's about the fact aside from perhaps Darnold, there isn't a QB worth the #2 pick.

That isn't a fact though.

it is. If we draft a QB at 2, he will still have plenty of trade value 2 years later(unless there are off the field problems).

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is an unknown. We know nothing. The Giants know next to nothing. He won't influence whether they take a QB at #2. This isn't about Webb. It's about the fact aside from perhaps Darnold, there isn't a QB worth the #2 pick. And I'm not even that sure about Darnold.

The Giants know more about Webb than any QB they may take in the draft. They have watched him, and worked with him, for over a year.

of Webb), then you've blown the draft. Even if you can trade Darnold for a pick, you'll never get the return of a #2 pick in the draft. And yeah, that probably means a Barkley level player).

You will have failed.

I get what you are saying and you are right, you'll probably never get a #2 pick back in a few years(although you could probably get a nice haul), but I'm not sure I'd call it a fail.

Most agree that having a QB is vital to sustained success and most also agree that we don't know if Webb can be that guy. If we don't take a QB and Webb isn't that guy, we could be chasing that guy for the next decade. If we do take a QB and Webb is that guy, then we have our franchise QB and we can recoup most of the costs of what the #2 draft pick would cost us next year. I'm not sure I'd call it a fail. It's not ideal, but when you factor in what we know today(or don't know), I don't think we have a choice.

if the front office believes one of the college quarterbacks is the answer, they must pick him. The question is, what if they're NOT sure that Darnold, Rosen, Allen or Mayfield is any better than Webb. At that point, do they risk using a #2 on someone who won't help us, or do they pick a low-risk player like Nelson, Chubb or, most likely, Barkley?

Lets say we draft Darnold and Webb wins the job either next year or the year after. In 2 years, when Darnold is still on his rookie deal, you don't think there would be 7-10 teams lined up to give us a 1st for him? What if there are no blue chip QB prospects in that draft, you don't any teams would give up a top 1st for him?

QB's, specifically young QB's, more specifically young QBs on their rookie deals have a ton of value in the NFL.

or Peyton Manning finally being available to draft. Maybe some say that about Rosen, but in my view he's toxic (not personality wise but probable short career-wise). I'm just not reading blue-chip. Seeing lots of comments about deep but not height. I think that there are a total of 3 people on the NFL draft site (fwiw and I know people don't like it) with a grade in the 7's: Barkely, Quentin, Rosen. So, the question is how much of a bump in grade do you give a guy just because he's a QB? Maybe the same amount my dullard friend got because he slept with the teacher?

I just don't know enough about these guys to say whether or not I believe they are legit franchise QB prospects. I can just go by what I read and see on tv. Most top evaluators seem to disagree with your assessment, but time will tell. Still a lot of information to be gathered before April.

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In comment 13839007 AcidTest said: Quote: is an unknown. We know nothing. The Giants know next to nothing. He won't influence whether they take a QB at #2. This isn't about Webb. It's about the fact aside from perhaps Darnold, there isn't a QB worth the #2 pick. And I'm not even that sure about Darnold. The Giants know more than we think they do. And Webb will certainly influence their decision. People need to stop looking at everything in a vacuum.

THIS ^^^^ +100

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And I'm not sure any of the 2018 QBs are worth taking with him in mind. If one of them jumped off the grade sheet, then you push Webb to the side a bit. But I don't see that being the case, so might as well use #2 to pick a premium talent at another position, compete with Eli for 2018, and let Webb show what he progressed on in training camp/preseason. Webb checks a lot of boxes and the intangibles are near top notch. Let's see what he has.

Sy, sorry if you’ve posted this before and I missed it, but where would Webb rank among the 2018 QBs as a prospect based on your current evaluation?

has changed quite a bit based on a few Instagram posts and NJ.com articles.

1) He should not stop them from selecting a QB they love, if there is one.

2) He should not be overlooked as a legitimate long term option to replace Eli.

3) We should know more about him than we do after one year but Ben McAdoo and John Mara totally ruined that opportunity.

Normally, by now some of them have spoken and given BBI much to debate.

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The Giants know more than we think they do. And Webb will certainly influence their decision. People need to stop looking at everything in a vacuum.

Exactly this.

The Giants have 2 holdover coaches in the Wells, and the former assistant D-Line Coach (forget his name). Who I am sure have seen him live in practice and may have even been working with the scout team O-line and D-line. Who can probably provide insight at least to some of his skills and faults.

You have the Strength/Conditioning Coach who will be able to give you an evaluation of his physical traits

You also have Eli, who I'd bet PS and DG have asked for an opinion in Webb.

They also have Practice tape, College Tape, Combine Results, and his off season QB coach. They are most likely scouting him along side the 2018 Class + they have information on this past year from inside the organization.

But I read your stance as follows:

1. None of the top rated QBs jump off the paper as a can't miss prospect. So therefore, they may not be the best value at #2.

2. Giants have a lot of holes to fill and need more impact players, whether offense or defense. (BPA?)

3. Davis Webb has been part of the organization for a year and at the very least has shown the arm strength and intangibles you would like from an NFL QB.

4. Considering all those factors, maybe QB @ #2 is not the best bet, maybe QB in rounds 2-4 is better.

I also have a question. You may not have gotten to him yet, but what are your thoughts on Mike White? I think he has upside.

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has changed quite a bit based on a few Instagram posts and NJ.com articles.

I think it comes down to his love for Barkley..

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In comment 13839068 Dodge said: Quote: has changed quite a bit based on a few Instagram posts and NJ.com articles. I think it comes down to his love for Barkley..

Yes he is all in on Barkley.

This what’s your write up on Webb last year.

“6 – Davis Webb – California – 6’5/229: 74

Summary: Fourth year senior that graduated from Texas Tech early and was able to transfer to California for a graduate season. He earned Honorable Mention All Pac 12 honors in 2017, replacing last year’s top overall pick Jared Goff. Webb took advantage of his opportunity and displayed an NFL ability. His size and easy throwing motion can get you excited, but he has a ways to go in terms of progression and learning. Webb is a couple years away and will have to spend a lot of time correcting elements such as a footwork, lower body mechanics, and reading a defense, among other things. Possible starter down the road, but more likely a backup.

*Webb is a hot name with some of the people I get to talk with…and others think he won’t ever be a starter. Nobody denies the talent, but he has a ways to go. I’ve watched every game of his from 2016 and he does the same things week in and week out that bother me. He has to completely change his game and while I think it is possible, it’s simply unlikely.

Upside Pro Comparison: Brock Osweiler – CLE


Is there something that has changed on your evaluation of him?

to call him Mr. Gettleman

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of Webb), then you've blown the draft. Even if you can trade Darnold for a pick, you'll never get the return of a #2 pick in the draft. And yeah, that probably means a Barkley level player). You will have failed.

This is my big concern and one reason I am inclined to not select a QB at #2

everyone who says that the Giants don't know anything about Webb. They don't know anything about any of the drafting QB's either.

I like Webb, liked him through the draft process last year. Still rooting for the guy but, I won't waver from that because I think we should draft a QB at 2. I think the best possible scenario is both QBs develop and we have excellent competition for when we move on from Eli. We all know that QB is the most important position on the field. It's not a bad idea to double down.

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And I'm not sure any of the 2018 QBs are worth taking with him in mind. If one of them jumped off the grade sheet, then you push Webb to the side a bit. But I don't see that being the case, so might as well use #2 to pick a premium talent at another position, compete with Eli for 2018, and let Webb show what he progressed on in training camp/preseason. Webb checks a lot of boxes and the intangibles are near top notch. Let's see what he has.

This has been my feeling as well. Don't just take a quarterback just because you're picking #2. There has to be one worth taking there or else you're committing the franchise to the wrong guy for years.

In comment 13839017 jvm52106 said:

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In comment 13839002 Keith said: Quote: In comment 13838998 Bramton1 said: Quote: In comment 13838989 BigBlueDownTheShore said: Quote: you can't have ELI, Webb and a #2 pick and say the other two battle it out for the backup role. If you draft a guy at #2, he is the backup at the very least. He will need a TON of fucking reps and they can't be split with another guy. My god people, we can't waste a #2 on a QB and then say battle it out with this guy and lets see who wins. If he has to battle Webb then he wasn't worth a #2 in the draft!

Exactly. Plus, having the #2 pick the Giants can trade down and get more picks. It's not like the roster is set and we have no needs.

IMO, I just can't see how the Giants possibly know enough about Webb to make them change their game plan with the #2 pick in the draft. We're talking the second player taken in the entire nation. Hopefully the Giants won't be picking this high again for another 15-20 years.

Webb not only did not play in the regular season, but he hardly practiced in training camp or played in the preseason.

If you go into the draft saying you are comfortable with Eli and Webb moving forward, you are taking a huge gamble.

(That all said, I'm rooting for Webb and like everything about him.)

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This what’s your write up on Webb last year. “6 – Davis Webb – California – 6’5/229: 74 Summary: Fourth year senior that graduated from Texas Tech early and was able to transfer to California for a graduate season. He earned Honorable Mention All Pac 12 honors in 2017, replacing last year’s top overall pick Jared Goff. Webb took advantage of his opportunity and displayed an NFL ability. His size and easy throwing motion can get you excited, but he has a ways to go in terms of progression and learning. Webb is a couple years away and will have to spend a lot of time correcting elements such as a footwork, lower body mechanics, and reading a defense, among other things. Possible starter down the road, but more likely a backup. *Webb is a hot name with some of the people I get to talk with…and others think he won’t ever be a starter. Nobody denies the talent, but he has a ways to go. I’ve watched every game of his from 2016 and he does the same things week in and week out that bother me. He has to completely change his game and while I think it is possible, it’s simply unlikely. Upside Pro Comparison: Brock Osweiler – CLE Is there something that has changed on your evaluation of him?

Not sure how anything could have changed, the guy hasn't played in a game.