Mason Rudolph

One can make a case for Darnold or Rosen over Webb, but if it came down to Rudolph I don't see the reason to pick him. Just stick with Webb, who we already have, and take another player.

In comment 13839146 PatersonPlank said:

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One can make a case for Darnold or Rosen over Webb, but if it came down to Rudolph I don't see the reason to pick him. Just stick with Webb, who we already have, and take another player.

Why do you think he is like Webb? Webb can chuck the ball like 75 yards, has a strong arm, but not necessarily the best accuracy. Rudolph is the exact opposite.

He reminds me of Big Ben.

In comment 13839149 robbieballs2003 said:

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In comment 13839146 PatersonPlank said: Quote: One can make a case for Darnold or Rosen over Webb, but if it came down to Rudolph I don't see the reason to pick him. Just stick with Webb, who we already have, and take another player. Why do you think he is like Webb? Webb can chuck the ball like 75 yards, has a strong arm, but not necessarily the best accuracy. Rudolph is the exact opposite.

Based on being roughly the same size, the same mobility, both come from non-std offenses and would need time to pick up NFL offenses (for example most plays out of the shotgun, etc.), and their last season stats are pretty much the same:

Senior Season
Rudolph - 4,553 yards, 35 TD's, 9 Ints, 65% completion %
Webb - 4,300 yards, 37 TD's, 12 Ints, 62% completion %
Both are 6'5", 230 lbs

Rudolph had a much better team around him than Webb. Cal was .500 and they lost their top 5 WR's from the season before. For this reason I am discounting the slight 3% difference in passing completions.

nice deep ball.

They say that he doesn't have the strongest arm in terms of throwing sideline passes. I'll wait for the Combine to form a more informed opinion on that.

While they may be outdated, I find Bill Parcell’s rules for drafting QBs interesting. Linked article grades the 2018 QBs based on the rules. Spoiler alert, Rudolph scores well, Darnold, not so much.
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I appreciate the response.

Mason does not throw a good deep ball and lacks arm strength. He puts too much air under his deep balls which allows Dbs to catch up. He doesn’t have an elite arm by any stretch. I would probably say overall his arm is about as strong as mayfield most likely weaker. I’ve seen a lot of mason and I want no part of him. If you want to go qb late you take silvers from Troy as a prospect. Not advocating that for the giants but for other teams he’s the guy I’d take a flier on in the late rounds

I do like Mason Rudolph ... he was very impressive against VT in their bowl game making all the requisite throws ... deep, on a line and on the run. The other guys are being hyped to death but I think MR can be just as good as any of them.

But. If they have five or six qbs rated evenly. Or evenly with whom we have...this could be a really, really fun draft.

Five or six or seven legitimate playmakers including some of the over 300 lbs variety.

but probably never be more then top 15 in the league.

Andy Daulton/Joe Flacco esque possibly.

beside the top 5.

You also have
Rudolph
Falk
Silvers
White
Lauletta looked good at the senior bowl.

In comment 13839198 Spider56 said:

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I do like Mason Rudolph ... he was very impressive against VT in their bowl game making all the requisite throws ... deep, on a line and on the run. The other guys are being hyped to death but I think MR can be just as good as any of them.

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I myself like Rosen but I agree Spider don’t sleep on Rudolph I think he’s got just as much as the others .

This QBs class will go down as one of the best ever if not equal to 1983.

definitely needs to clean up some passing techniques like too much air under the ball, and his ability to read defenses and make good decisions often suffered when under pass pressure. Can he speed up his game to match the NFL speed is a good question, but I like him.

I wouldn't draft another later in this draft. I would stick with Webb.

Draft one of the top guys an hope he's the next great franchise QB. Draft one of the 2nd tier guys and see if he develops and let him and webb compete for the job when Eli is done. OR do nothing and anoint Webb Eli's successor.

All viable options with no guarantee of success.

It’s either Darnold or Rosen, Barkley or trade down .

In comment 13839164 MojoEd said:

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While they may be outdated, I find Bill Parcell’s rules for drafting QBs interesting. Linked article grades the 2018 QBs based on the rules. Spoiler alert, Rudolph scores well, Darnold, not so much. Link - ( New Window )

Tom Brady 3/7.

Just saying....

drafting rudolph in round 2 then any of the big 4 at number 2 i dont like darnold ,rosen has too many injury flags,allen has completion percentage issues and mayfield has too many manziel off field type issues for the giants to risk

you have 2 years of manning to make another tilt at the trophy and webb has a cannon for an arm can throw a mean deep ball in the blustery conditions at metlife that arm strength is a big factor especially with obj going deep

i dont think they need a QB til they try out webb anyway but if you want to draft some security with rudolph in round 2 then that wouldnt be a disaster but with all the holes at OL,DE,LB,WR and need at CB with apple and DRC possibly on the way out plus they already gave up a late round pick for cockrell i wouldnt draft a QB this year at all

or trade down.

In comment 13839268 rasbutant said:

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Draft one of the top guys an hope he's the next great franchise QB. Draft one of the 2nd tier guys and see if he develops and let him and webb compete for the job when Eli is done. OR do nothing and anoint Webb Eli's successor. All viable options with no guarantee of success.

I don't think not drafting a QB necessarily anoints Webb as Eli's successor. It just says Webb is very likely to stick this year as the #2. But, standing pat is more likely their way of saying they think they can win in the next couple of years (maybe more if they end up wanting to extend Eli for short term cap savings) and worry about QB in another year, or two, or three.

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That teams rank the players differently than the pundits and draftniks do and they have information both positive and negative that we will not know about until after the draft, if at all. There is plenty of reason to believe that Rudolph could be in the mix with the other QBs, it's a PR game at this point as to who is ranked where in some cases. The guy has a solid resume, prototypical size, decent athleticism and is by all accounts a leader. He doesn't have the injury red flags or turnover concerns or height issues that his 3 more highly rated QB prospects have. He lacks the arm and natural ability of the other 3 but he's a pretty clean guy to sell.

In comment 13839285 JonC said:

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or trade down.

Agree with those options. The evaluation of Webb is becoming bigger and bigger here for Shurmur and DG. Can he be developed in a few years or do we have go QB now.

it appears Rudolph has the ability to develop into a good, and possibly very good NFL QB. Intangibles? Can't say, that's what interviews and pro-savvy are about.

Of those being discussed, I think both Mayfield and Jackson are special cases. And I'm left to wonder if Jackson might be forced to play a different position, or abandon an NFL career. Though either could also be special.

Sy'56 who has that pro-savvy hates Silvers, but I see something there. Boom or bust, though.

In comment 13839164 MojoEd said:

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While they may be outdated, I find Bill Parcell’s rules for drafting QBs interesting. Linked article grades the 2018 QBs based on the rules. Spoiler alert, Rudolph scores well, Darnold, not so much. Link - ( New Window )

I'm a Parcells fan, but I don't get why anyone looks to him for rules on drafting QBs. His record of finding QBs in the draft wasn't superb.

QBs drafted by the Giants under Parcells: Jeff Hostetler, Dave Walter, Mike Perez, Craig Kupp. (He wasn't the coach when the Giants drafted Simms. Or Scott Brunner for that matter)

QBs drafted by the Pats under Parcells: Drew Bledsoe, Jay Walker. (OK, he wasn't allowed to shop for the groceries, or whatever.)

Jets/Parcells (HC): Glenn Foley
Jets/Parcells (GM): Chuck Clements, Chad Pennington

Cowboys/Parcells: None (Tony Romo was an UDFA)

Dolphins/Parcells (EVP, Football Operations): Chad Henne, Pat White

I love the guy, but why do we treat him like an expert on drafting QBs? He didn't draft a lot of QBs, and when he did, he didn't have a ton of success.

and he could see talent on that side of the ball and coach it as well. Do not see him as overall talent guru by any means. He was also very good at picking coaches and coordinators.