our depth has been eroded by injurie and with the goaltending a big question mark they have to start scoring a bit. Boyle/Coleman etc... have hit the skids scoring wise for months.
came to N America this year, had early problems with his junior team and ended up going back to Russia for the season. A 2nd pick is steep if we don't resign Grabner, but I'll take the chance.
You say a late second rounder and a 5th round draft pick with recruiting issues is a steep price - I disagree - but reality is Grabner coming off 50 goals last two years is probably looking at a 3-4 year deal at 4mil per year... you may just want him to be a rental
You wait until the last day, then suddenly the offers increase, this is garbage for Grabner and a steal for the Devils. Sorry to say since I am a Ranger fan, but the truth is the truth, the Rangers don't make good trades, never do.
You wait until the last day, then suddenly the offers increase, this is garbage for Grabner and a steal for the Devils. Sorry to say since I am a Ranger fan, but the truth is the truth, the Rangers don't make good trades, never do.
Still batting 1.000, Paul. They said it couldn't be done. They said it would be impossible for one poster to single-handedly be incorrect about every post he writes. You have proven the doubters wrong. I'm proud of you.
You wait until the last day, then suddenly the offers increase, this is garbage for Grabner and a steal for the Devils. Sorry to say since I am a Ranger fan, but the truth is the truth, the Rangers don't make good trades, never do.
This is WAY off base. Grabner is a rental player. Even though he has been a great Ranger, lets not get it twisted, he is not some stud that should have fetched a first round pick. Not sure what you expected for a speedy 3rd line winger. They got back what could be a middle of the round 2nd round pick and a young defenseman with upside.
This is for a guy the Rangers sign for $1.6 mill each of the past 2 years.
I am not happy that they gave up a 2nd round pick Â
NHL picks are not THAT valuable, odds in the NHL draft outside the first round of producing top end players (early) diminish greatly.
That said, historically very few trades have been made closer to the deadline. I saw an article a few days ago that listed all the deadline day trades the past 4 or 5 years and there were very few. Most of the activity historically has been in the days leading up to the draft.
Not to say this year won't be different, but waiting out the deadline in the NHL hasn't proved to be a common strategy.
To demonstrate 2nd round value, I'll start with 2012 draft that gives players who were 18, 4 years to develop, here are the players who have established themselves as NHL regulars:
2012:
Pontus Aberg (LW)
Colton Sissons (C)
both on NSH, and both barely NHL regulars at 24 years old. Neither are stars
2013:
Artturi Lehkonen (LW) (and this is a stretch)
2014:
None (too soon)
So I'll go back a little:
2011:
Boone Jenner (C)
John Gibson (G)
Brandon Saad (LW)
Markus Granland (C) (on his 2nd team)
Victor Rask (C)
Joel Edmundson (D)
William Karlsson (C) - where did this year's success come from?
2009:
Ryan O"Reilly (C)
Kyle Clifford (LW)
Jakob Silfverberg (RW)
Robin Lehner (G)
Brian Dumolin (D)
Richard Panik (LW)
Dmitry Orlov (D)
Tomas Tatar (C)
basically you have about a 10% chance of a 2nd round pick making the NHL as a regular player IMO, these are all off my scans of the draft results, I don't know every player, so I made the best guess I could. It's possible I missed someone.
five all-stars I believe, since 2009 from the 2nd round.
If you go back to 2007 you can get PK Subban and 2008 you can get Roman Josi, but not much more by going back more.
I just don't know why anyone expected a huge haul for Grabner Â
You wait until the last day, then suddenly the offers increase, this is garbage for Grabner and a steal for the Devils. Sorry to say since I am a Ranger fan, but the truth is the truth, the Rangers don't make good trades, never do.
Still batting 1.000, Paul. They said it couldn't be done. They said it would be impossible for one poster to single-handedly be incorrect about every post he writes. You have proven the doubters wrong. I'm proud of you.
I just don't know why anyone expected a huge haul for Grabner
Greg from LI : 9:54 am : link : reply
Yes, he has 52 goals over the last two seasons. How many of those are empty net? I don't know the exact number, but I'd bet it's at least 10.
This kid would be a top 25-30 pick in this draft. Players in the KHL don’t get out of their contract or want to leave easily. Only reason he was available is he wasn’t coming over here to play for NJ (mean no disrespect). 19-20 year older with skill. Will be a 2nd pair D for 10 years. Now the problem, get him here.
guys have no interest in coming to the NHL unless they're going to be on an NHL roster. They don't want to play in the AHL. If he's good he'll come to play here.
Should net a 1st round pick. He is a great penalty killer, he will make the 3rd line a good line now for the Devils, fucking idiots saying he makes only 1.65 mil as if that defines him, no, his play defines him, he plays about 14-15 minutes a night on a third line, so in other words no great player to feed him, and gets about 30 goals. That is a player that can take a team over the top.
I am not knocking the Devils, the Devil fan that don't understand they just got a steal, well what can I say. Watch what he does for your team, watch when he plays how good he is. A great defensive player, and probably outside of Conner McDavid the fastest player in the league. The only draft pick in the NHL that matters are first round picks, it's like the NBA now.
People want to knock me, go ahead, I obviously don't stop posting, and if you have any integrity and are halfway honest, you will note I am right more often then Wrong. This was a total failure by the Rangers, just like the Staal trade, just like the St. Louis trade, horrible trades that set the franchise back. The Devils are the opposite, they are a smart franchise with idiot fans obviously, if this wasn't a smart move, the Devils wouldn't have made it. The Rangers make more bad moves then any franchise. They have drafted well these last 10 seasons overall, that is whay they have been so good for a while, that and Hank.
Tyutin, Dubinsky, Stepan, Anisimov, Sauer. A lot of misses, too.
But when picks are hit or miss, the more picks you have, the better because unless you are going to totally tank and try to land a Sid Crosby, you have to get lucky and hit some later round picks.
The Rangers are never going to tank and have a 4 year rebuild because Dolan is driven by cable money. So the more picks, the Rangers have, the more likely they are to get lucky.
You're off your fucking rocker. Michael Grabner is a 30 year old depth winger on a contender, one who is heading into unrestricted free agency after the season and has been vocal about demanding a four year deal. Any team that traded for him would stand a real chance of him playing only 30 or so games for them. Yes, he's very fast and has scored a bunch of goals the last two years. A bunch of them have been empty nets, but let's leave that aside for now. You know how many goals he scored in the three seasons prior to joining the Rangers? 29 in 178 games. I can't stand Vigneault, but his system was pretty much tailor-made for Grabner. It's doubtful that he'll be as productive away from it.
So you're talking about a third line winger who's good on the PK, who is on the wrong side of 30 and heading into free agency. The idea that you were going to get a first round pick, let alone a first round pick plus, for him is delusional. Just because Yzerman fleeced Glen Sather a while back doesn't mean that there's a sucker out there now. Let's also not pretend that MSL and Grabner are equivalent players. Yeah, Marty dropped off quickly, but he was a former MVP who was leading Tampa in scoring at the time of the trade (29-32-61 in 62 games) and had posted 17-43-60 in 48 games the year before. Oh, and he wasn't a pending free agent in 2014.
Should net a 1st round pick. He is a great penalty killer, he will make the 3rd line a good line now for the Devils, fucking idiots saying he makes only 1.65 mil as if that defines him, no, his play defines him, he plays about 14-15 minutes a night on a third line, so in other words no great player to feed him, and gets about 30 goals. That is a player that can take a team over the top.
I am not knocking the Devils, the Devil fan that don't understand they just got a steal, well what can I say. Watch what he does for your team, watch when he plays how good he is. A great defensive player, and probably outside of Conner McDavid the fastest player in the league. The only draft pick in the NHL that matters are first round picks, it's like the NBA now.
People want to knock me, go ahead, I obviously don't stop posting, and if you have any integrity and are halfway honest, you will note I am right more often then Wrong. This was a total failure by the Rangers, just like the Staal trade, just like the St. Louis trade, horrible trades that set the franchise back. The Devils are the opposite, they are a smart franchise with idiot fans obviously, if this wasn't a smart move, the Devils wouldn't have made it. The Rangers make more bad moves then any franchise. They have drafted well these last 10 seasons overall, that is whay they have been so good for a while, that and Hank.
In what world is a guy who is a 3rd line PK guy with speed warrant a 1st round pick? I havent seen anywhere that first round picks were being offered. The guy is a 3rd line rental, and even if he does help, that certainly doesnt warrant a 1st round pick. If you have seen elsewhere that the Rangers passed up on a 1st rounder, than I will eat crow.
Should net a 1st round pick. He is a great penalty killer, he will make the 3rd line a good line now for the Devils, fucking idiots saying he makes only 1.65 mil as if that defines him, no, his play defines him, he plays about 14-15 minutes a night on a third line, so in other words no great player to feed him, and gets about 30 goals. That is a player that can take a team over the top.
I am not knocking the Devils, the Devil fan that don't understand they just got a steal, well what can I say. Watch what he does for your team, watch when he plays how good he is. A great defensive player, and probably outside of Conner McDavid the fastest player in the league. The only draft pick in the NHL that matters are first round picks, it's like the NBA now.
People want to knock me, go ahead, I obviously don't stop posting, and if you have any integrity and are halfway honest, you will note I am right more often then Wrong. This was a total failure by the Rangers, just like the Staal trade, just like the St. Louis trade, horrible trades that set the franchise back. The Devils are the opposite, they are a smart franchise with idiot fans obviously, if this wasn't a smart move, the Devils wouldn't have made it. The Rangers make more bad moves then any franchise. They have drafted well these last 10 seasons overall, that is whay they have been so good for a while, that and Hank.
I'm not sure where you got your stats from, but you are literally NEVER right.
Still batting 1.000, Paul. They said it couldn't be done. They said it would be impossible for one poster to single-handedly be incorrect about every post he writes. You have proven the doubters wrong. I'm proud of you.
This is WAY off base. Grabner is a rental player. Even though he has been a great Ranger, lets not get it twisted, he is not some stud that should have fetched a first round pick. Not sure what you expected for a speedy 3rd line winger. They got back what could be a middle of the round 2nd round pick and a young defenseman with upside.
This is for a guy the Rangers sign for $1.6 mill each of the past 2 years.
Amazing that people wanted the Rangers to firesale the roster, yet every move has been scrutinized as being a bad one by several posters.
What do you think they are going to get in return at a deadline?
That said, historically very few trades have been made closer to the deadline. I saw an article a few days ago that listed all the deadline day trades the past 4 or 5 years and there were very few. Most of the activity historically has been in the days leading up to the draft.
Not to say this year won't be different, but waiting out the deadline in the NHL hasn't proved to be a common strategy.
To demonstrate 2nd round value, I'll start with 2012 draft that gives players who were 18, 4 years to develop, here are the players who have established themselves as NHL regulars:
2012:
Pontus Aberg (LW)
Colton Sissons (C)
both on NSH, and both barely NHL regulars at 24 years old. Neither are stars
2013:
Artturi Lehkonen (LW) (and this is a stretch)
2014:
None (too soon)
So I'll go back a little:
2011:
Boone Jenner (C)
John Gibson (G)
Brandon Saad (LW)
Markus Granland (C) (on his 2nd team)
Victor Rask (C)
Joel Edmundson (D)
William Karlsson (C) - where did this year's success come from?
Nikita Kucherov (F) *** Home Run
2010:
Justin Faulk (D)
Devante Smith-Pelly (RW)
Ryan Spooner (C)
Tyler Toffoli (RW)
2009:
Ryan O"Reilly (C)
Kyle Clifford (LW)
Jakob Silfverberg (RW)
Robin Lehner (G)
Brian Dumolin (D)
Richard Panik (LW)
Dmitry Orlov (D)
Tomas Tatar (C)
basically you have about a 10% chance of a 2nd round pick making the NHL as a regular player IMO, these are all off my scans of the draft results, I don't know every player, so I made the best guess I could. It's possible I missed someone.
five all-stars I believe, since 2009 from the 2nd round.
If you go back to 2007 you can get PK Subban and 2008 you can get Roman Josi, but not much more by going back more.
I think it was a fair trade.
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You wait until the last day, then suddenly the offers increase, this is garbage for Grabner and a steal for the Devils. Sorry to say since I am a Ranger fan, but the truth is the truth, the Rangers don't make good trades, never do.
Still batting 1.000, Paul. They said it couldn't be done. They said it would be impossible for one poster to single-handedly be incorrect about every post he writes. You have proven the doubters wrong. I'm proud of you.
Lol
Greg from LI : 9:54 am : link : reply
Yes, he has 52 goals over the last two seasons. How many of those are empty net? I don't know the exact number, but I'd bet it's at least 10.
15
I am not knocking the Devils, the Devil fan that don't understand they just got a steal, well what can I say. Watch what he does for your team, watch when he plays how good he is. A great defensive player, and probably outside of Conner McDavid the fastest player in the league. The only draft pick in the NHL that matters are first round picks, it's like the NBA now.
People want to knock me, go ahead, I obviously don't stop posting, and if you have any integrity and are halfway honest, you will note I am right more often then Wrong. This was a total failure by the Rangers, just like the Staal trade, just like the St. Louis trade, horrible trades that set the franchise back. The Devils are the opposite, they are a smart franchise with idiot fans obviously, if this wasn't a smart move, the Devils wouldn't have made it. The Rangers make more bad moves then any franchise. They have drafted well these last 10 seasons overall, that is whay they have been so good for a while, that and Hank.
But when picks are hit or miss, the more picks you have, the better because unless you are going to totally tank and try to land a Sid Crosby, you have to get lucky and hit some later round picks.
The Rangers are never going to tank and have a 4 year rebuild because Dolan is driven by cable money. So the more picks, the Rangers have, the more likely they are to get lucky.
So you're talking about a third line winger who's good on the PK, who is on the wrong side of 30 and heading into free agency. The idea that you were going to get a first round pick, let alone a first round pick plus, for him is delusional. Just because Yzerman fleeced Glen Sather a while back doesn't mean that there's a sucker out there now. Let's also not pretend that MSL and Grabner are equivalent players. Yeah, Marty dropped off quickly, but he was a former MVP who was leading Tampa in scoring at the time of the trade (29-32-61 in 62 games) and had posted 17-43-60 in 48 games the year before. Oh, and he wasn't a pending free agent in 2014.
I am not knocking the Devils, the Devil fan that don't understand they just got a steal, well what can I say. Watch what he does for your team, watch when he plays how good he is. A great defensive player, and probably outside of Conner McDavid the fastest player in the league. The only draft pick in the NHL that matters are first round picks, it's like the NBA now.
People want to knock me, go ahead, I obviously don't stop posting, and if you have any integrity and are halfway honest, you will note I am right more often then Wrong. This was a total failure by the Rangers, just like the Staal trade, just like the St. Louis trade, horrible trades that set the franchise back. The Devils are the opposite, they are a smart franchise with idiot fans obviously, if this wasn't a smart move, the Devils wouldn't have made it. The Rangers make more bad moves then any franchise. They have drafted well these last 10 seasons overall, that is whay they have been so good for a while, that and Hank.
In what world is a guy who is a 3rd line PK guy with speed warrant a 1st round pick? I havent seen anywhere that first round picks were being offered. The guy is a 3rd line rental, and even if he does help, that certainly doesnt warrant a 1st round pick. If you have seen elsewhere that the Rangers passed up on a 1st rounder, than I will eat crow.
I am not knocking the Devils, the Devil fan that don't understand they just got a steal, well what can I say. Watch what he does for your team, watch when he plays how good he is. A great defensive player, and probably outside of Conner McDavid the fastest player in the league. The only draft pick in the NHL that matters are first round picks, it's like the NBA now.
People want to knock me, go ahead, I obviously don't stop posting, and if you have any integrity and are halfway honest, you will note I am right more often then Wrong. This was a total failure by the Rangers, just like the Staal trade, just like the St. Louis trade, horrible trades that set the franchise back. The Devils are the opposite, they are a smart franchise with idiot fans obviously, if this wasn't a smart move, the Devils wouldn't have made it. The Rangers make more bad moves then any franchise. They have drafted well these last 10 seasons overall, that is whay they have been so good for a while, that and Hank.
I'm not sure where you got your stats from, but you are literally NEVER right.