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NFT: New ACC Teams added to the FBI Investigation

BigBlueDownTheShore : 2/23/2018 8:43 am
ACC Teams added: Duke, UNC, Notre Dame, Virginia, Clemson, NC State

Dennis Smith, NC State:"received $43,500 according to the documents. Another document headed "Pina," for ASM agent Stephen Pina, says Smith received a total of $73,500 in loans, and includes notes about "options to recoup the money" when Smith did not sign with ASM."

Jaron Blossomgame, Clemson: "received a payment by Venmo while in school for $1,100 according to the documents"

Players and/or families who are listed as meeting with or having meals with Dawkins:
Wendell Carter, Duke
Tony Bradley, North Carolina
Demetrius Jackson, Notre Dame
Malcolm Brogdon, Virginia

Greg, it doesn't look like UVA is as squeaky clean as you thought they were.

I can't post the link for some reason... I keep getting the link URL is not valid.

https://sports.yahoo.com/exclusive-federal-documents-detail-sweeping-potential-ncaa-violations-involving-high-profile-players-schools-103338484.html
Malcolm Brogdon's mother had one dinner with an agent. BFD  
Greg from LI : 2/23/2018 8:54 am : link
The agent expensed 64 bucks, and dinner was at the Ritz. You think you're getting dinner for 2 at the Ritz for $64? Take a look at the menu. She obviously paid for her own dinner.

Brogs' mom is a dean at Morehouse and his dad is an attorney. They aren't strapped for cash. She took the dinner right before the end of her son's collegiate career to check out an agent he might hire in his imminent NBA career. If this is what supposedly means UVA isn't "squeaky clean" then, yeah, I'm not worried.
This will...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/23/2018 9:01 am : link
end up being a rabbit hole that will crucify agents and probably let the schools off. Instead of turning attention to actually recruitment violations and digging into the one and dones that would truly take down some top schools, they are going to investigate an area where the schools are only tangibly involved.

The majority of these cases are improper payments - but not necessarily on the school's watch. To even have Brogdan brought into the conversation is crap and if a guy who had a dinner is on the list, what the fuck are they actually investigating or focusing on?
why wouldn't you put this in the existing thread?  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 2/23/2018 9:04 am : link
just sayin
I couldn’t care less about any of this..  
Sean : 2/23/2018 9:05 am : link
I’ll still watch in March.
the story is sensationalist crap  
Greg from LI : 2/23/2018 9:07 am : link
Players getting tens of thousands in loans at the beginning of their collegiate careers are being lumped in with Malcolm Brogdon's mother having a single dinner with an agent right before the end of his? That's absurd and pure clickbait - they throw in the name of a star player just to generate page views.

Also, much as I'd love to see some schools crucified, the story doesn't show any actual links between these payments from agents and the programs the players are in. As Fats says, some agents may go down for this but I'm not seeing anything that will really impact any programs.
I think ND and UVA  
Metnut : 2/23/2018 9:19 am : link
are fine. Meeting with an agent isn't subject to an NCAA penalty unless the university knew about it.

NCAA Bylaw 16.01.1.1 reads "Unless otherwise noted, for violations of Bylaw 16 in which the value is $200 or less, the eligibility of the student-athlete shall not be affected conditioned upon the student-athlete's repayment of the benefit to a charity of his or her choice. The student-athlete however, shall remain ineligible from the time the institution has knowledge of receipt of the impermissible benefit until the student-athlete repays the benefit..."
If Virginia  
Harvest Blend : 2/23/2018 9:28 am : link
continues to be a long term threat to the Duke's and UNC's they may have a problem. They go back to the middle of the pack and they're safe.
I’m left to wonder if everyone is still sleeping on this story  
LatHarv83 : 2/23/2018 9:29 am : link
When the fbi throws this much in resources into an investigation your business is screwed. I don’t think this is something that is just going to pass. This is going to drastically alter if not completely wipe out college sports as we know it potentially.
Don't be melodramatic..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/23/2018 9:38 am : link
the FBI has investigated a lot of other things before without earth-altering outcomes.

If there is anything that could change in this - it is the athlete-agent interaction. Won't have any long-term impact on collegiate sports.

Hell, unless the NCAA starts to get involved - sanctions aren't even a given.
We will see  
LatHarv83 : 2/23/2018 9:40 am : link
I just have a gut feel people are sleeping on this. They’re going after the biggest names, obviously leaking as well along the way. Someone is on a mission here
NCAA Bylaw 16.01.1.1  
Greg from LI : 2/23/2018 9:41 am : link
"Unless otherwise noted, for violations of Bylaw 16 in which the value is $200 or less, the eligibility of the student-athlete shall not be affected conditioned upon the student-athlete's repayment of the benefit to a charity of his or her choice. The student-athlete however, shall remain ineligible from the time the institution has knowledge of receipt of the impermissible benefit until the student-athlete repays the benefit..."

So, yeah, it's nothing.
somehow I didn't notice that was already posted  
Greg from LI : 2/23/2018 9:41 am : link
heh
I highly doubt UVA has done anything wrong here....  
Britt in VA : 2/23/2018 9:42 am : link
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fbi lead has to be  
sundayatone : 2/23/2018 10:01 am : link
fake news-just a bad joke,sorry.
RE: Don't be melodramatic..  
Victor in CT : 2/23/2018 10:03 am : link
In comment 13840022 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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the FBI has investigated a lot of other things before without earth-altering outcomes.

If there is anything that could change in this - it is the athlete-agent interaction. Won't have any long-term impact on collegiate sports.

Hell, unless the NCAA starts to get involved - sanctions aren't even a given.


The FBI couldn't find shit in a septic tank.
his mother denies the dinner happened  
Greg from LI : 2/23/2018 11:50 am : link
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RE: his mother denies the dinner happened  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 2/23/2018 12:25 pm : link
In comment 13840287 Greg from LI said:
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Does she deny ordering the crème brulee?
$64 at the Ritz?  
PaulBlakeTSU : 2/23/2018 12:38 pm : link
Please. I'm biased for Brogdon, but I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt as much as any athlete I know.

She's a college dean in Atlanta and Dawkins was in DC that day.

He had drinks/bite at the Ritz. He called Brogdon's mom, talked with her for a few minutes and used to that to justify expensing his dinner. Or, she was still in town for the ACC Tournament (ending two days before), and he bumped into her and chatted with her and used it to justify the expense.
College sports needs to ditch the NCAA and pay the kids  
Heisenberg : 2/23/2018 12:41 pm : link
and embrace what it really is: minor league sports with a shitload of pageantry.
C'mon, Boston College!  
bceagle05 : 2/23/2018 12:46 pm : link
Get in the game!
These leaks are coming from the FBI  
LatHarv83 : 2/23/2018 1:26 pm : link
That has to tell you all you need to know about the fact that they are really going in on this. They’re trying to damage them from a PR standpoint here too. Say what you want about the fbi I wouldn’t want a motivated FBI on my ass. They are going to keep digging until they find and I don’t think anyone is naive enough to believe there isn’t a lot there to find. I don’t know what the end game is here but things are going to look different for the ncaa after this
Unless..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/23/2018 1:40 pm : link
there is complicit action by universities in the payments, it most likely won't mean much at all to the NCAA or college athletics. It will impact rules for agents and agent feeders.

It won't have any tangible impact on the game or the NCAA as a whole.

Very few things actually do. Title IX was the last thing to change the face of sports significantly. Hell, even the PSU scandal didn't do anything
I say...  
bw in dc : 2/23/2018 2:42 pm : link
Bravo! Good for the players for getting paid or getting a nice dinner. They deserve it.

Look, the entire system is corrupt, starting with the AAU-
the Mafia of US sports. And the colleges really have no choice put to fall in line with the AAU because they provide and control the supply of talent.

Finally, the colleges, the NCAA and networks - the distributors of the product - have been exploiting these high profile athletes for enormous sums of money for over a half century.

It's time for this flimsy, corrupt system to be destroyed with a wrecking ball and re-built with a system that makes sense...
tip of the iceberg  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 2/23/2018 10:13 pm : link
most of this came from one agent. The shoe companies are so dirty on this at the AAU level. There is so much money, and therefore, so much dirt, that it will take years to unravel the BS.
Ruh roh Sean Miller  
dpinzow : 2/23/2018 10:19 pm : link
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Discussed 100K payment for with agent for Deandre Ayton - ( New Window )
RE: Unless..  
nygiants16 : 2/23/2018 10:26 pm : link
In comment 13840469 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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there is complicit action by universities in the payments, it most likely won't mean much at all to the NCAA or college athletics. It will impact rules for agents and agent feeders.

It won't have any tangible impact on the game or the NCAA as a whole.

Very few things actually do. Title IX was the last thing to change the face of sports significantly. Hell, even the PSU scandal didn't do anything


You were saying? Arizona just got busted for giving ayton 100k
I didn't get paid that much  
madgiantscow009 : 2/23/2018 10:28 pm : link
when I played for UVA.
What.  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/23/2018 10:33 pm : link
I'm saying is that this will unlikely change the landscape of college athletics.:

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You were saying? Arizona just got busted for giving ayton 100k


Some schools will get in trouble. Some coaches will get in trouble. Some agents will get in trouble. And things will carry on as normal.

PSU had a two decade long coverup of sexual abuse, lost scholarships and had sanctions and today it is like nothing ever happened.
Miller  
bxgiants4 : 2/23/2018 10:36 pm : link
Is toast

Irritating how we’re only getting bits and pieces. Just release all of the evidence
...  
christian : 2/23/2018 11:17 pm : link
Difference with PSU, there wasn't a pervasive culture of child sex abuse among many universities, among multiple entities.

I suspect a number of coaches and programs get caught and get penalized.

But if the big headline is agents loaning money to future clients, the NCAA really has limited skin in the game.
It seems like..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/23/2018 11:22 pm : link
the majority of the exposure will be to agents and agent funnelers. The universities will be insulated and protected unless they have widespread evidence
Wow, Miller has to be done  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 2/24/2018 9:07 am : link
Arizona kept him on even with all the smoke - now they have an inferno.
So, is Louisville so much different  
Bill L : 2/24/2018 9:09 am : link
That they are the only ones to pay a price?
And color me SHOCKED that Josh Jackson  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 2/24/2018 9:13 am : link
and his family are implicated in this. SHOCKED.
So who has to answer to the IRS?  
Ned In Atlanta : 2/24/2018 12:18 pm : link
The players? Families? Agents ? Schools? All the above ?
RE: So, is Louisville so much different  
HomerJones45 : 2/24/2018 12:57 pm : link
In comment 13841168 Bill L said:
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That they are the only ones to pay a price?
I can't stand the Louisville Opportunists but this is how the NCAA works: it's widespread, everyone knows it, but the NCAA will make an example out of a school or two so it and its press toadies can pretend something was done and the rest will go back to doing business.

Hint, the schools so chastened will not be the Tobacco Road schools (posters who thought NC was going to be heavily penalized were dreaming), any school in the SEC (Cam Newton was the canary in the coal mine) or any big time football school (See State, Penn) because mustn't hurt the dollars and the tv contracts. So, yeah, Louisville is up.
RE: This will...  
Section331 : 2/24/2018 1:32 pm : link
In comment 13839976 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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end up being a rabbit hole that will crucify agents and probably let the schools off. Instead of turning attention to actually recruitment violations and digging into the one and dones that would truly take down some top schools, they are going to investigate an area where the schools are only tangibly involved.

The majority of these cases are improper payments - but not necessarily on the school's watch. To even have Brogdan brought into the conversation is crap and if a guy who had a dinner is on the list, what the fuck are they actually investigating or focusing on?


That’s my guess too, unless your HC is stupid enough to get caught on tape talking about paying a player. See ya, Sean Miller!
Miller will not coach tonight vs Oregon  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 2/24/2018 4:11 pm : link
He be gone.
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