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Fluker Might Be Going Some Where Else?

Giants1956 : 2/23/2018 9:02 am
Or is he just trying to create interest.
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Of course he may be  
BigBlue4You09 : 2/23/2018 9:03 am : link
Or maybe he won't.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/23/2018 9:15 am : link
I think some fans are too young or have forgotten what can happen when a team makes dramatic changes like firing a GM, head coach, and VP of player personnel.

No one is safe.
He's less than two weeks from free agency  
JonC : 2/23/2018 9:15 am : link
his options are wide open and he knows it.
He's a Hog Mollie  
Beer Man : 2/23/2018 9:16 am : link
so I'm sure the Giants are interested in keeping him; but only at the right price
The love fest with Fluker is baffeling  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 2/23/2018 9:16 am : link
He’s an average player. He is great in the run game and terrible as a pass blocker. I wouldn’t mind him as a backup, but he’s not a true starter and wouldn’t be this huge loss.
also  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/23/2018 9:17 am : link
reading between the lines of a number of late season/early offseason quotes, some of the Giants free agents were very interested in testing the waters. It suggests the team culture was pretty toxic last year.
RE: He's a Hog Mollie  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/23/2018 9:18 am : link
In comment 13839990 Beer Man said:
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so I'm sure the Giants are interested in keeping him; but only at the right price


Perhaps, but I wouldn't be "sure" of anything. We have no idea what the new regime wants to do.
RE: He's a Hog Mollie  
Brown Recluse : 2/23/2018 9:22 am : link
In comment 13839990 Beer Man said:
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so I'm sure the Giants are interested in keeping him; but only at the right price


Please don't say hog mollie.
hog mollie sounds ridiculous  
JonC : 2/23/2018 9:23 am : link
I'd rather hear blue goose.
RE: RE: He's a Hog Mollie  
Beer Man : 2/23/2018 9:26 am : link
In comment 13840000 Brown Recluse said:
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In comment 13839990 Beer Man said:


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so I'm sure the Giants are interested in keeping him; but only at the right price



Please don't say hog mollie.
Hog Mollie, Hog Mollie, Hog Mollie!

But while we are at it, please don't refer the football as "The Duke" again.
RE: also  
Beer Man : 2/23/2018 9:30 am : link
In comment 13839992 Eric from BBI said:
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reading between the lines of a number of late season/early offseason quotes, some of the Giants free agents were very interested in testing the waters. It suggests the team culture was pretty toxic last year.
Agree. The big question is did the team culture turn toxic because some players can't handle losing, or was it already toxic which lead to its losing record.
Can we stop getting our "news" from 247 Sports?  
Diver_Down : 2/23/2018 9:31 am : link
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Is he effective in zone blocking?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/23/2018 9:38 am : link
If not, he may not be a fit here. It's about what the team is planning to do offensively.
I like him, and hope he is back  
rasbutant : 2/23/2018 9:54 am : link
was baffling that he did start week 1.

I'm sure its a money thing. Fluker believes he is worth more than the Giants do, is my guess.

I really want him back but if he wants 8mil/yr, forget about it, see ya.
Junk player  
HomerJones45 : 2/23/2018 10:02 am : link
totally replaceable. Another Jerry Reese troll through the trash bin hoping to find gold. The other teams in San Diego's division didn't even bother with him when San Diego let him go. No tears shed if he walks. He should be encouraged to do so.
RE: hog mollie sounds ridiculous  
Joey in VA : 2/23/2018 10:03 am : link
In comment 13840003 JonC said:
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I'd rather hear blue goose.
I'm partial to:

Fat Asses
Fatsos
Chubbos
Fattys
Chunks
there will be more than a dozen  
Dnew15 : 2/23/2018 10:03 am : link
DJ Fluker types available in the NFL this spring.
He's a JAG.
If he leaves, that’s okay. Jerry can start.  
Ivan15 : 2/23/2018 10:29 am : link
LOL.
This will make room for Flowers at RG.
Let him leave  
The_Boss : 2/23/2018 10:34 am : link
Losing him isn't exactly like losing a Pro Bowl calibre OG. A difference maker he is not.
Count me among those who thinks Fluker is Meh  
gidiefor : Mod : 2/23/2018 10:35 am : link
he can't block for shit in the passing game and is often confused about his assignment -- all he can do is bull rush -- he can be stunted on early and often
Agents...  
Racer : 2/23/2018 10:39 am : link
drive most of the nonsense we are forced to wipe off the windshield at this time of year.
All you need to know  
Joey in VA : 2/23/2018 10:52 am : link
Is that when Banks and Papa did their 90 second "inside the film room" on Fluker, they showed one good block and one horrific pass protection error on Fluker. They make everyone else look like a HoF player, but Fluker got the poo stick. No way he's coming back.
RE: Is he effective in zone blocking?  
Vanzetti : 2/23/2018 11:34 am : link
In comment 13840024 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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If not, he may not be a fit here. It's about what the team is planning to do offensively.


Giants were a zone blocking team under Solari. They ran a lot of power inside zone blocking where only the three interior OL move together. But that might have been because they had such horrible results when they tried moving the tackles.

In any event, the big change under Solari was moving more to a zone blocking scheme--and I think we can all agree it was a disaster. Pugh and Richburg would seem to be a good fit for that scheme but just never worked consistently.
RE: RE: Is he effective in zone blocking?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/23/2018 1:00 pm : link
In comment 13840258 Vanzetti said:
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In comment 13840024 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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If not, he may not be a fit here. It's about what the team is planning to do offensively.



Giants were a zone blocking team under Solari. They ran a lot of power inside zone blocking where only the three interior OL move together. But that might have been because they had such horrible results when they tried moving the tackles.

In any event, the big change under Solari was moving more to a zone blocking scheme--and I think we can all agree it was a disaster. Pugh and Richburg would seem to be a good fit for that scheme but just never worked consistently.


Yeah, the results sucked, but based on what the Vikings offense was, I think we have to expect that they're going to run the same scheme here. They were pretty zone heavy too.
We ran a lot of trap plays  
Joey in VA : 2/23/2018 1:14 pm : link
Those are NOT zone plays. This team hasn't run a real zone blocking scheme up front ever, it's been a hybrid mish mash with no focal point that played to no one's strength. It's great to be multiple, but when you suck on ISO runs and zone runs and tosses outside and you keep mixing them up you're going to suck at everything which we did.

The core of a good running game is a play or two that is really difficult for a defense to defend honestly if it's blocked properly. Once you have that down teams can key on it, once they key, you adjust and build from there. You can give the same look with multiple plays once you establish something you do well but we never did that. If a team can sit back, knowing that by formation what you're running you are absolutely screwed and that was our biggest issue and has been since McAdoo came here.

Think back to when we had D. Ward and Gilbride running the ground attack, we a counter play we used as our bread and butter and teams would load up to stop it which opened up the rest of the field and the playbook. Teams KNEW we were running but they couldn't do a damn thing about it because they run the risk of Eli killing them downfield, which he did for many years. You erase the deep threat by constantly using 11 personnel and 3 step drops and you have 8 players in the box at all times. Going to run them out of it? Nope, you're not you don't have the horses up front or in the barn to do it. Now your offense is fked. It's really that simple.
May say something about who we draft  
Bubba : 2/23/2018 1:26 pm : link
if resigned. A RB at #2 would benefit from a drive blocker.
Quality O-linemen have become harder to find.  
81_Great_Dane : 2/23/2018 3:24 pm : link
A flawed player like Fluker is still valuable. Nobody can have stars at every position; the salary cap ensures that.

Fluker is a good run blocker, so he has some value. For right now, having him on the roster is better than having to replace him. But if the Giants can upgrade guard and can send him to the bench, or get rid of him altogether, fine. If he leaves of his own volition and the Giants have to replace him, that's also fine.
RE: RE: hog mollie sounds ridiculous  
jeffusedtobeonwebtv : 2/23/2018 3:57 pm : link
In comment 13840078 Joey in VA said:
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In comment 13840003 JonC said:


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I'd rather hear blue goose.

I'm partial to:

Fat Asses
Fatsos
Chubbos
Fattys
Chunks


how about just go back to George Young basics: dancing bears.
RE: Quality O-linemen have become harder to find.  
HomerJones45 : 2/23/2018 3:58 pm : link
In comment 13840695 81_Great_Dane said:
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A flawed player like Fluker is still valuable. Nobody can have stars at every position; the salary cap ensures that.

Fluker is a good run blocker, so he has some value. For right now, having him on the roster is better than having to replace him. But if the Giants can upgrade guard and can send him to the bench, or get rid of him altogether, fine. If he leaves of his own volition and the Giants have to replace him, that's also fine.
A bum is still a bum. You want this team to improve, don't get caught up thinking some ham-and-egger is now a useful player because the team stinks. He's still a bum.

His original team didn't want him, none of the teams in the same division that played against him twice a year wanted him and if you didn't know he had been a first rounder, no one else would want him either. I doubt we make much effort to re-sign him.
RE: RE: Quality O-linemen have become harder to find.  
Flem17454 : 2/24/2018 10:17 am : link
In comment 13840756 HomerJones45 said:
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In comment 13840695 81_Great_Dane said:


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A flawed player like Fluker is still valuable. Nobody can have stars at every position; the salary cap ensures that.

Fluker is a good run blocker, so he has some value. For right now, having him on the roster is better than having to replace him. But if the Giants can upgrade guard and can send him to the bench, or get rid of him altogether, fine. If he leaves of his own volition and the Giants have to replace him, that's also fine.

A bum is still a bum. You want this team to improve, don't get caught up thinking some ham-and-egger is now a useful player because the team stinks. He's still a bum.

His original team didn't want him, none of the teams in the same division that played against him twice a year wanted him and if you didn't know he had been a first rounder, no one else would want him either. I doubt we make much effort to re-sign him.



This

John Greco is a better RG than Fluker
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