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Greg Cosell on history of QB in top 5-10 picks of the draft:

FranknWeezer : 2/23/2018 9:15 am
“What we do know is this. If a quarterback is taken in the in the top five- probably even in the top 10, he’s going to play as a rookie, no matter what the team might say on draft day.”

That’s from yearerday’s Ross Tucker Football Podcast (linked)

Cosell knows his stuff. He’s not someone to speculate. Mostly only deals with absolutes and the tangible/numbers side of what he’s analyzing.

Exception to the above would be Aaron Rodgers, who sat for 3 years behind Favre. Interestingly, in the podcast prior to that one, Andrew Brandt noted that the days of a first round quarterback like Aaron Rodgers sitting for three years are long gone. Brandt was Rodgers’ first agent, BTW. Another one I thought of would be Mahomes, though he did see limited action last year.

But what does this mean for Eli in 2018 if the Giants take a quarterback at #2? Sounds like Gettleman and Shurmur are looking to have him be the man this year. Does it tend to say they wouldn’t do so, because it would mean that Eli wouldn’t play out the year? Who knows.

Just throwing this out there for discussion during a slow time before FA and the draft.
Greg Cosell on the RTFP - ( New Window )
This year is different  
Jay on the Island : 2/23/2018 9:19 am : link
Rosen and Darnold are only 20 and Allen is very raw.
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CoughlinHandsonHips : 2/23/2018 9:20 am : link
I think the Gmen go Darnold or Rosen, and start Eli.

It's a nice luxury for Shurmur to have. Head coaches window to find success is much smaller than it used to be. 2 consecutive losing seasons is often times enough to bounce out new head coaches.

Throwing in the young qb right away is generally a throw away year.

Means nothing ...  
Beer Man : 2/23/2018 9:23 am : link
Most team drafting in the top-10 and looking for a QB don't have an Eli Manning (or Brett Farve) occupying the position. If the Giants draft a QB, he will most likely ride the pine learning the position from Eli for at least a season; of course if the team poorly, anything can happen and Eli's tenure as the Giants QB will be over before the final year of his contract.
I think both Need time on bench  
twostepgiants : 2/23/2018 9:26 am : link
1- they are both entering their rookie year at 21

2- Darnold isnt ready with reading defenses and snaps under center

Rosen with 2 concussions would see his risk factor go away with a year on the bench
I don't think this means anything  
Dr. D : 2/23/2018 9:26 am : link
Most teams that pick a QB high are really bad teams desperate for a QB.

Rodgers wasn't picked in the top 10 and the Packers weren't desperate because they were a good team and had Favre.

No one is saying that if we pick one he'll have to wait for 3 years like Rodgers, but there's no reason our QB can't wait and learn for a year.

IMO, the reason teams start rookie QBs isn't because that's what's ideal for the QB. If more teams could afford to allow them to sit for a year and learn behind a good vet, they would.
We Could Have 3 QB's Eli, Webb and Darnold/Rosen  
Giants1956 : 2/23/2018 9:41 am : link
which would be great for the Giants and give them
the opportunity to get the QB position fixed for the next 10 years and it wouldn't explode the CAP for next year.

The problem right now is that you don't know what you
have with Webb and who knows how much Eli has in the
tank.

just a note  
Rocky369 : 2/23/2018 10:08 am : link
Rodgers wasn't a top 10 pick. so if that's the only exception, then it appears to be a hard rule.
Rivers sat for two years.  
Britt in VA : 2/23/2018 10:09 am : link
Beer Man is right, most teams that have to draft a QB top five don't have a future HOF at the position already.

Those are the exceptions, having Brett Favre, Drew Brees, or Eli Manning still playing for your team at the time of taking said QB.
All situations  
joeinpa : 2/23/2018 10:12 am : link
Are different, but I think Cossll s premise is why some don t want a quarterback at #2
If the Giants draft a QB #2  
arniefez : 2/23/2018 10:16 am : link
He will sit until they are out of the playoff picture for 2018 - if they are - or until Eli gets hurt and can't play. But if the draft a QB #2 it's highly unlikely Eli is a Giant in 2019 in my opinion.
Well, he may play  
ZogZerg : 2/23/2018 10:27 am : link
It depends on how Eli does.
I'm having doubts that the Giants will pick QB at 2  
gidiefor : Mod : 2/23/2018 10:37 am : link
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RE: I'm having doubts that the Giants will pick QB at 2  
Britt in VA : 2/23/2018 10:39 am : link
In comment 13840161 gidiefor said:
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Been saying all along it wasn't the foregone conclusion everybody made it out to be all season.

That said, wouldn't surprise me at all if they did or didn't.
What’s way more...  
Strip-Sack : 2/23/2018 10:45 am : link
interesting than his “QB taken high is going to play” comments are his takes on each QB. I’m starting to buy Mayfield to Cleveland at #1 given the love he’s been getting from various “trusted” sources such as Ross (say what you will about his tenure but he is an NFL talent evaluator), Cosell and (I believe) the Browns new GM in the past.
RE: What’s way more...  
Beer Man : 2/23/2018 11:18 am : link
In comment 13840177 Strip-Sack said:
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interesting than his “QB taken high is going to play” comments are his takes on each QB. I’m starting to buy Mayfield to Cleveland at #1 given the love he’s been getting from various “trusted” sources such as Ross (say what you will about his tenure but he is an NFL talent evaluator), Cosell and (I believe) the Browns new GM in the past.
Someone posted a thread yesterday regarding Parcell's criteria for drafting a QB. Of the QBs in the draft only Mayfield and Rudolph hit 7 out of 7, and Mayfield blew it away. If I remember correctly, of the remaining QBs I believe Rosen hit 3 out of 7 and Darnold hit 4 out of 7.
RE: RE: What’s way more...  
Beer Man : 2/23/2018 11:19 am : link
In comment 13840236 Beer Man said:
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In comment 13840177 Strip-Sack said:


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interesting than his “QB taken high is going to play” comments are his takes on each QB. I’m starting to buy Mayfield to Cleveland at #1 given the love he’s been getting from various “trusted” sources such as Ross (say what you will about his tenure but he is an NFL talent evaluator), Cosell and (I believe) the Browns new GM in the past.

Someone posted a thread yesterday regarding Parcell's criteria for drafting a QB. Of the QBs in the draft only Mayfield and Rudolph hit 7 out of 7, and Mayfield blew it away. If I remember correctly, of the remaining QBs I believe Rosen hit 3 out of 7 and Darnold hit 4 out of 7.
My point, if Mayfield was a few inches taller, he would probably be the top QB (possibly the top player) in the draft.
RE: RE: I'm having doubts that the Giants will pick QB at 2  
kinard : 2/23/2018 1:59 pm : link
In comment 13840166 Britt in VA said:
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Been saying all along it wasn't the foregone conclusion everybody made it out to be all season.

That said, wouldn't surprise me at all if they did or didn't.


Reading the "tea-leaves" - I agree as well.

I'd say, right now, its 60/40 they pick a QB and the odds are dropping. I think Bradley Chubb is very much on the table at #2.
RE: If the Giants draft a QB #2  
NikkiMac : 2/23/2018 3:17 pm : link
In comment 13840110 arniefez said:
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He will sit until they are out of the playoff picture for 2018 - if they are - or until Eli gets hurt and can't play. But if the draft a QB #2 it's highly unlikely Eli is a Giant in 2019 in my opinion.


And what happens if Eli and the Giants are 0 and 3 can’t take Eli out? I’ve been asking this question for weeks now nobody seems to have an interest
What do some of the other BBIers think maybe they could way in on this .... I happen to think yes in this scenario I would pull him for the rookie or Webb
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