Rewatch this if you have 15 minutes to kill. It's great seeing that team dig and claw to victory, Eli just manning up (seriously no pun intended), Cruz finding open space, the defense flying upfield all game and both teams laying it all out the way football was meant to be.
What deflates me is seeing that despite Eli being battered, we had a huge OL that was able to do enough against a big physical and relentless defense led by Patrick Willis and Justin Smith. We had three capable WRs, big bodies at TE who could block, and a two headed RB. We had Tuck, Osi, JPP, Canty, Joseph, Kiwanuka, Boley, Phillips, Webster, Antrell Rolle and Deon Grant leading the defense.
That team still struggled to 9-7 but overcame big odds in Green Bay and San Francisco and again against the Patriots in the Super Bowl. How far we are from that level of talent is daunting. We can rattle off a few names like Engram and Odell, Snacks, Janoris Jenkins and Landon Collins but top to bottom this roster absolutely stinks compared to that group. Zero of our OL or LBs or RBs would vie for playing time, save maybe Gallman in lieu of Danny "call me DJ" Ware. Odell, Snacks, Jenkins and Collins would start, maybe Engram, but that's about it.
It's pretty sobering to see that team and compare it to the mess we have now. That 11-5 was a fluke last year and seeing these highlights seals that. Guys who were depth on that team would easily start now, that is how far this roster has fallen. This is a failure that is on the draft and pro personnel folks who have overseen a decay in a few short years. Instead of building blocks with a 9 and 10th overall picks we have two head cases who can be effective roughly 50% of the time and that's IF they feel like playing. The whole thing stinks, top to bottom.
Canning Reese, Ross and McAdoo was simply removing the infection, we have hack off some limbs and make do until Gettleman and Shurmur can restock this roster. Our draft is of vital importance more than ever, we simply cannot miss in the first three rounds. Our FA signings can't be the duds we've seen save for the Snacks, Jenkins and OV spree. No more Newhouse, Jerry, Schwartz, DJ Walton, Jon Beason, DRC (remember we paid him over Linval Joseph), Kelvin Sheppard, JT Thomas and whatever other overpaid under producing lumps we've trotted out during this period of near constant losing.
My point? Well I am sicker than a shit house rat so I have too much time on my hands, but anyone hoping for a one year rebuild I think will be sorely disappointed. There is a culture of losing in that building that has to be swept away first, and some of the players who contribute to it are still in the building. We are due for a good old fashioned house cleaning and I have little doubt it's on the way, but I think we need a full off-season of purging and restocking just to get back to respectable. Right now we are a laughing stock and it feels like shit.
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Culture of losing doesn't really fit here, it feels like we're making this bigger or more dramatic than it needs to be. At no point have I felt like this team was content to lose as long as they sold tickets. Or that losing was accepted in any form. They were actively trying to stay competitive.
Once again this team had the stars aligned (biggest one was New Orleans having to go to SF in first rd of playoffs, instead of being home-where Giants would have ultimately gone and most likely lost) and the Giants having both SF's and GB's number.
However, the team barely made the playoffs and was really up and down all year. The SB win was deodarnt for a system that wasn't winning consistently in the regular season.
2012, 2013, 2014 and 2015 were basically the same seasons but without that streak that allowed them into the playoffs. However, when you look at it, the team, the structure and the results were not that far off from 2011 season. Just the wins at the end or the few signature games that allowed us in the post season never came.
The one player who has been there through all of that is Eli. The big question is, was he a big part of the Helter Skelter nature of the team or a victim of it?
We aren't years away. Relax. Be hopeful. They went 11-5 in 2016 and shit the bed in 2017.
You're never as good or bad as you think. 2008 we were the cat's pajamas...no weaknesses...then they fell apart in 2009 and by the end of that season looked like one of the worst teams in the league. Then they recovered and built a contender for 2010-2011.
Years away...no. Not if this team hits on a few picks and FAs...not in the least.
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
Football is a funny sport. One wrong move and a team slides into the depths of hell. YEs there are always going to be warning signs and it's never one specific thing that leads to doom but a team can ebb and flow with its head coach. I do believe that. The HC is the most important man in that room. You can win in spite of the HC but not for long. Eventually shit is going to go from teetering to crumbling.
I am always hopeful. It's how I am wired but I am not stupid. I know when a team has little to no shot at winning. I don't see this team that way. There's a lot of star power on this team and star power goes a long way in today's NFL. The Giants need ditch diggers and an offensive direction/philosophy that caters to the QB and personnel here. They don't need an offense that McAdoo employed here.
Move on. 2017 is behind us.
I'm hoping they learned their lesson, but bringing back Gettleman and already committing to Eli for this season leads me to believe there's another quick fix on the way. I sure as hell hope not.
We play in a very competitive division with active owners who don't stand around from year to year waiting for something to happen-unlike the AFC East. Here are the Division winners since 2007: Cowboys, Giants, Cowboys-Eagles (tie), Eagles, Giants, Redskins, Eagles, Cowboys, Redskins, Cowboys, Eagles. There has not been a repeat division winner in this division in 14 years.
If you are expecting some dominant team from year to year, petition the League to move us to another division.
Culture of losing doesn't really fit here, it feels like we're making this bigger or more dramatic than it needs to be. At no point have I felt like this team was content to lose as long as they sold tickets. Or that losing was accepted in any form. They were actively trying to stay competitive.
There are guys in that locker room who have only known losing since they came here, you can show them all the trophies and new practice fields and field houses you want but players want to win and this team hasn't done it since 2011. This ship is broken right now, it has new leaders across the board and it needed it but right now, this is a losing team and has been more often than not. That mindset HAS to be purged and it starts with changing the culture in the locker room. That culture right now, is used to losing, that's not good no matter how you slice it.
the 2011 team was on fumes but I can understand giving them a chance to try and repeat in 2012. 2013 is when the rebuild should have begun. Instead we got the Super Bowl clock. Ugh.
Problem that year was the team didn't show up for late season road games in Cincy, Atlanta and Baltimore. The last two were complete disgraces where the team found their way to the playing field but not much else. Still could have made the playoffs if we had split with the mighty Skins but of course they owned us for a couple of years there no doubt due to their superior talent.
We play in a very competitive division with active owners who don't stand around from year to year waiting for something to happen-unlike the AFC East. Here are the Division winners since 2007: Cowboys, Giants, Cowboys-Eagles (tie), Eagles, Giants, Redskins, Eagles, Cowboys, Redskins, Cowboys, Eagles. There has not been a repeat division winner in this division in 14 years.
If you are expecting some dominant team from year to year, petition the League to move us to another division.
You missed the point.. The issues were there, the weird up and down nature of the team. Coughlin was on the ropes heading into 2011. That season was made up of a mixed bag of bad and some good and some lucky. The playoffs were different.
The team was not dominant on the Oline and began a fall with bad fixes for a while. LB'er was a mix of hopes and never weres and continue to today. Just because you don't want to see it doesn't make it true.
We have not been DOMINANT since 2008.. 2011's team was anything but dominant. The Giants have been middle tier to lower tier for most of the last 7 years.
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
Our win totals since that SB - 7, 6, 6, 11, 3
Which number sticks out the most?
Yea they have sucked for 5 of the last 6 seasons but who cares? No one cares about 2011 but we're supposed to dwell on 2013 now? No...that shit is done with. And I am not trying to come off as a pollyanna at all. I didn't have my head in the sand last summer or the summer before that. I wasn't trumpeting super bowl or bust heading into 2017 because I know better. Shit is too unpredictable and too damn difficult in the NFL to proclaim that one team is super bowl bound before they even played one game. That's just stupid.I liked the team's chances but while I defended McAdoo off his 2016 tenure I needed to see a lot more.
The Giants have had brutal stretches before. They weren't just bad from 91-96 save for 93 they were terribly boring. What happened after that? From 97-2002 the Giants made the playoffs 3 times and a super bowl appearance with an average or below average QB at the helm. In other words, shit can change.
We're in a terrific spot right now. The Giants need to get every ounce of shiny and awesome out of the 2017 season. Turn that mess into a blessing. Draft a legend at 2 and good players in the latter rounds.
I love where we sit. I don't think it's doom and gloom at all. Historically speaking the Giants don't fuck up too many drafts. Even at their worst they are OK at drafting. My take is we're due for a good haul here in 2018. We also had what appears to be a good haul in 2017.
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but 3-13 with the worst HC in modern history and dozens of crazy injuries, revolts and bizarro world type shit wasn't a fluke?
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
Our win totals since that SB - 7, 6, 6, 11, 3
Which number sticks out the most?
Again, what does 2013-2015 have to do with today? That's a bullshit sample size. Why not ask what we did since 1997? Or 2005? Or 2016?
I don't care anymore about 201202-15. It means fuck all. I care about the core of this team and what lies ahead.
....JPP and Vernon will prevent the Giants from ever achieving greatness, right? Just say that and get it over with.
We all know that guys like JPP and Vernon never have bounce back years...or that Vernon and JPP actually truly did suck last year. Never mind the numbers....
The Jets went from 1-15 to 9-7 thanks to one thing and one thing only: A head coaching change. That new jets team didn't even have any draft picks because they traded half of them away for Parcells. They still won EIGHT more games.
It can make a huge difference.
The Jets went from 1-15 to 9-7 thanks to one thing and one thing only: A head coaching change. That new jets team didn't even have any draft picks because they traded half of them away for Parcells. They still won EIGHT more games.
It can make a huge difference.
It's also possible that they don't. This has been a shit organization for a few years now. Expecting an improvement is based on faith alone.
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but 3-13 with the worst HC in modern history and dozens of crazy injuries, revolts and bizarro world type shit wasn't a fluke?
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
Our win totals since that SB - 7, 6, 6, 11, 3
Which number sticks out the most?
Again, what does 2013-2015 have to do with today? That's a bullshit sample size. Why not ask what we did since 1997? Or 2005? Or 2016?
I don't care anymore about 201202-15. It means fuck all. I care about the core of this team and what lies ahead.
It shows the general direction of the team. You're willing to write off last year but don't see 2016 as a fluke? Variance played a factor in the last two seasons, at it's core, this team was a 6-7 wins team. That's what it has to do with it.
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it's possible that some of those players you speak of play better in 2018. It's also a fact that we've seen that kind of shit before and not just here with the Giants.
The Jets went from 1-15 to 9-7 thanks to one thing and one thing only: A head coaching change. That new jets team didn't even have any draft picks because they traded half of them away for Parcells. They still won EIGHT more games.
It can make a huge difference.
It's also possible that they don't. This has been a shit organization for a few years now. Expecting an improvement is based on faith alone.
If you're going to conjure up bad seasons in 2013-14 I don't think that's really relevant at all. And like I said, the Giants have been this bad before and they turned it around. They also weren't shit in 2016--that's two seasons ago.
Whatever...don't be hopeful I don't give a shit. I tend to believe in this franchise. They usually get it right. I think they will get it right again and that's not based on faith as much as it's based on history.
Be miserable...I don't give a fuck. Fans have their coping mechanisms in place...I don't need to prepare myself for doom. I've experienced doom plenty of times before. I choose to cautiously believe that this team has more pieces in place than the OP indicates and I believe they have a golden opportunity to draft great talent here in April.
And like I said, history shows that this franchise gets it right before too long. They will again.
Their OL, for example, doesn't have to be top 10 in order to be a decent team. If they even improve to average, this offense has the talent to vastly improve.
On D, again, we don't need LBs to world beaters. We just need more athleticism and speed. With Harrison in the middle and Tomlinson having a good first showing, they should keep the LBs clean. It's up to them to make plays. Someone at FS needs to step up as well. But, we have pieces in place to be a good D. With better coaching and players' attitudes, this D should improve.
Even if you were miserable that's ok too. I get it after this shit show that we just experienced.
Never as good or bad as you think. We lose sight of that far too often. After 2008 I learned a valuable lesson. I swear all summer long I was feeling pretty good about this team but the as the week 1 game at Dallas approached I had a sinking feeling. I kinda knew the offense was going to be a problem once we got closer to game time. First series I was like oh my god we're a mess.
We'll be ok here soon enough. Not sure how good but we'll be in a much better place for the next few years.
Meanwhile the most memorable moments of our last couple years are Eli on the bench, a boat trip, and a fucking commercial where our 3-13 players were reenacting Dirty Dancing during a Super Bowl the fucking Eagles were about to win.
If you aren't miserable over the state of this team then you're never gonna be. I've never felt worse about them in thirty years.
I'm hoping they learned their lesson, but bringing back Gettleman and already committing to Eli for this season leads me to believe there's another quick fix on the way. I sure as hell hope not.
I think your right everybody thinks their is going to be 25 new players on the 53.if so why keep Eli that’s a total rebuild no I think Gettleman has quick fix up his sleeve.
Meanwhile the most memorable moments of our last couple years are Eli on the bench, a boat trip, and a fucking commercial where our 3-13 players were reenacting Dirty Dancing during a Super Bowl the fucking Eagles were about to win.
If you aren't miserable over the state of this team then you're never gonna be. I've never felt worse about them in thirty years.
Do you have any friends? I'm guessing you don't. You seem like a miserable person.
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This is a 3-13 team with a new coaching staff we know dick about. For the last two years the Cowboys and Eagles have been the #1 seed in the NFC, and they pulled that off despite significant quarterback injuries. Shit if not for a couple Aaron Rodgers miracle throws and Mason Crosby kicks we could be looking at them being back to back champs.
Meanwhile the most memorable moments of our last couple years are Eli on the bench, a boat trip, and a fucking commercial where our 3-13 players were reenacting Dirty Dancing during a Super Bowl the fucking Eagles were about to win.
If you aren't miserable over the state of this team then you're never gonna be. I've never felt worse about them in thirty years.
Do you have any friends? I'm guessing you don't. You seem like a miserable person.
Not a single one. But I could be The Great fucking Gatsby and it wouldn't make this team any less shitty.
I'm sorry for calling it the way it is, but I find that a preferable alternative to playing a violin on a sinking ship. I'll leave that to you.
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This is a 3-13 team with a new coaching staff we know dick about. For the last two years the Cowboys and Eagles have been the #1 seed in the NFC, and they pulled that off despite significant quarterback injuries. Shit if not for a couple Aaron Rodgers miracle throws and Mason Crosby kicks we could be looking at them being back to back champs.
Meanwhile the most memorable moments of our last couple years are Eli on the bench, a boat trip, and a fucking commercial where our 3-13 players were reenacting Dirty Dancing during a Super Bowl the fucking Eagles were about to win.
If you aren't miserable over the state of this team then you're never gonna be. I've never felt worse about them in thirty years.
Do you have any friends? I'm guessing you don't. You seem like a miserable person.
Not a single one. But I could be The Great fucking Gatsby and it wouldn't make this team any less shitty.
I'm sorry for calling it the way it is, but I find that a preferable alternative to playing a violin on a sinking ship. I'll leave that to you.
Boy Terps, alot of guys here like to shoot the messenger while they whistle through the graveyard. :-)
The Beckham Eli commercial... uhh... no, that didn't bother me in the least and I don't think that leads to bad football in 2018... call me crazy just a gut feeling.
Right guys, they sucked in 2013 and 2017 which obviously means there's no hope for the future.
You guys are fun. It's a shame bad teams don't get better. Might as well just quit the Nfl completely. Be my guest....
As if 2017 wasn't bad enough. Now we have 2016 to lament. We didn't sweep dallas that year and they did win it all. I could swear the dallas D let down once again but maybe I'm wrong.
Sinking ship? This shit sunk. We're starting over in case you didn't notice. New coach. New GM. New everything. Wahh. Wahh.
For years they've sucked since the end of the 'Greatest show on turf' days. Consistently had MUCH worse seasons... in consecutive order... than the Giants had. Last off season they make a coaching change and voila!... they're contending for the NFC crown and are everyone's darlings and everyone's talking about how they're an up and coming team with the next great wunderkind young HC.
We always say every season is different and the last two Giants seasons are a testament to that statement. You'll find very few people who DIDN'T think that the Giants were going to be AT WORST playoff contenders (if not Super Bowl contenders)... a horrible season later and now everyone's talking about how bad this team is and it wouldn't surprise me one bit to see this team in the playoffs again next season.
Unless you're a team that's had a losing culture over a prolonged period of time (like the Browns for instance), I'm not sure I believe too much in the 'culture' of teams any more. There's too much roster (and coaching) turnover from year to year for any kind of real 'culture' to develop in my opinion. This team was good enough to not only make the playoffs but pretty much universally be touted as the team 'no one wants to play' in the playoffs two years ago. The very next year... with supposedly a stronger cast of players taking over for some of the positions that were deemed weaknesses the year before (except for on the oline)... and the team is the team EVERYONE wanted to play because they knew it was an easy win.
I'm with djm. I don't think we're that far off at all. Just shore up a few areas (OL and LB especially), and we're right back in the hunt. There are very few teams out there that can claim to be so complete that they can assume that they'll be in the playoffs every year. Just a quick peek of how many different teams make the playoffs every year is a testament to that. Is there anyone that'd be surprised if the Rams, Bills, Titans and Panthers don't make the playoffs next year? I know I wouldn't.
For years they've sucked since the end of the 'Greatest show on turf' days. Consistently had MUCH worse seasons... in consecutive order... than the Giants had. Last off season they make a coaching change and voila!... they're contending for the NFC crown and are everyone's darlings and everyone's talking about how they're an up and coming team with the next great wunderkind young HC.
We always say every season is different and the last two Giants seasons are a testament to that statement. You'll find very few people who DIDN'T think that the Giants were going to be AT WORST playoff contenders (if not Super Bowl contenders)... a horrible season later and now everyone's talking about how bad this team is and it wouldn't surprise me one bit to see this team in the playoffs again next season.
Unless you're a team that's had a losing culture over a prolonged period of time (like the Browns for instance), I'm not sure I believe too much in the 'culture' of teams any more. There's too much roster (and coaching) turnover from year to year for any kind of real 'culture' to develop in my opinion. This team was good enough to not only make the playoffs but pretty much universally be touted as the team 'no one wants to play' in the playoffs two years ago. The very next year... with supposedly a stronger cast of players taking over for some of the positions that were deemed weaknesses the year before (except for on the oline)... and the team is the team EVERYONE wanted to play because they knew it was an easy win.
I'm with djm. I don't think we're that far off at all. Just shore up a few areas (OL and LB especially), and we're right back in the hunt. There are very few teams out there that can claim to be so complete that they can assume that they'll be in the playoffs every year. Just a quick peek of how many different teams make the playoffs every year is a testament to that. Is there anyone that'd be surprised if the Rams, Bills, Titans and Panthers don't make the playoffs next year? I know I wouldn't.
The 2016 NYG were not the team “nobody wanted to play” in the post season. I saw the exact opposite actually. They were called a fraud and critics pointed to their point differential as the main reason (just +26). They then proceeded to get their doors blown off.
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A perfect example would be the Rams.
For years they've sucked since the end of the 'Greatest show on turf' days. Consistently had MUCH worse seasons... in consecutive order... than the Giants had. Last off season they make a coaching change and voila!... they're contending for the NFC crown and are everyone's darlings and everyone's talking about how they're an up and coming team with the next great wunderkind young HC.
We always say every season is different and the last two Giants seasons are a testament to that statement. You'll find very few people who DIDN'T think that the Giants were going to be AT WORST playoff contenders (if not Super Bowl contenders)... a horrible season later and now everyone's talking about how bad this team is and it wouldn't surprise me one bit to see this team in the playoffs again next season.
Unless you're a team that's had a losing culture over a prolonged period of time (like the Browns for instance), I'm not sure I believe too much in the 'culture' of teams any more. There's too much roster (and coaching) turnover from year to year for any kind of real 'culture' to develop in my opinion. This team was good enough to not only make the playoffs but pretty much universally be touted as the team 'no one wants to play' in the playoffs two years ago. The very next year... with supposedly a stronger cast of players taking over for some of the positions that were deemed weaknesses the year before (except for on the oline)... and the team is the team EVERYONE wanted to play because they knew it was an easy win.
I'm with djm. I don't think we're that far off at all. Just shore up a few areas (OL and LB especially), and we're right back in the hunt. There are very few teams out there that can claim to be so complete that they can assume that they'll be in the playoffs every year. Just a quick peek of how many different teams make the playoffs every year is a testament to that. Is there anyone that'd be surprised if the Rams, Bills, Titans and Panthers don't make the playoffs next year? I know I wouldn't.
The 2016 NYG were not the team “nobody wanted to play” in the post season. I saw the exact opposite actually. They were called a fraud and critics pointed to their point differential as the main reason (just +26). They then proceeded to get their doors blown off.
I don't know who you heard that from but I remember hearing a few analysts on the NFL Network make that statement.
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A perfect example would be the Rams.
For years they've sucked since the end of the 'Greatest show on turf' days. Consistently had MUCH worse seasons... in consecutive order... than the Giants had. Last off season they make a coaching change and voila!... they're contending for the NFC crown and are everyone's darlings and everyone's talking about how they're an up and coming team with the next great wunderkind young HC.
We always say every season is different and the last two Giants seasons are a testament to that statement. You'll find very few people who DIDN'T think that the Giants were going to be AT WORST playoff contenders (if not Super Bowl contenders)... a horrible season later and now everyone's talking about how bad this team is and it wouldn't surprise me one bit to see this team in the playoffs again next season.
Unless you're a team that's had a losing culture over a prolonged period of time (like the Browns for instance), I'm not sure I believe too much in the 'culture' of teams any more. There's too much roster (and coaching) turnover from year to year for any kind of real 'culture' to develop in my opinion. This team was good enough to not only make the playoffs but pretty much universally be touted as the team 'no one wants to play' in the playoffs two years ago. The very next year... with supposedly a stronger cast of players taking over for some of the positions that were deemed weaknesses the year before (except for on the oline)... and the team is the team EVERYONE wanted to play because they knew it was an easy win.
I'm with djm. I don't think we're that far off at all. Just shore up a few areas (OL and LB especially), and we're right back in the hunt. There are very few teams out there that can claim to be so complete that they can assume that they'll be in the playoffs every year. Just a quick peek of how many different teams make the playoffs every year is a testament to that. Is there anyone that'd be surprised if the Rams, Bills, Titans and Panthers don't make the playoffs next year? I know I wouldn't.
The 2016 NYG were not the team “nobody wanted to play” in the post season. I saw the exact opposite actually. They were called a fraud and critics pointed to their point differential as the main reason (just +26). They then proceeded to get their doors blown off.
I don't know who you heard that from but I remember hearing a few analysts on the NFL Network make that statement.
And... if I recall correctly... the team wasn't getting it's 'doors blown off' until injuries (DRC) and dumb luck (completed Hail Mary's) occurred.
They won’t be 3-13 bad, but I do think they go something like 5-11 or 6-10. Their road slate appears to be brutal. I can easily see the split being 4-4 at home, 1-7 or 2-6 on the road, and, in the division 1-5.
Reese left this thing in shambles. Picking inside the top ten again in 2019 is not a bad thing.
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A perfect example would be the Rams.
For years they've sucked since the end of the 'Greatest show on turf' days. Consistently had MUCH worse seasons... in consecutive order... than the Giants had. Last off season they make a coaching change and voila!... they're contending for the NFC crown and are everyone's darlings and everyone's talking about how they're an up and coming team with the next great wunderkind young HC.
We always say every season is different and the last two Giants seasons are a testament to that statement. You'll find very few people who DIDN'T think that the Giants were going to be AT WORST playoff contenders (if not Super Bowl contenders)... a horrible season later and now everyone's talking about how bad this team is and it wouldn't surprise me one bit to see this team in the playoffs again next season.
Unless you're a team that's had a losing culture over a prolonged period of time (like the Browns for instance), I'm not sure I believe too much in the 'culture' of teams any more. There's too much roster (and coaching) turnover from year to year for any kind of real 'culture' to develop in my opinion. This team was good enough to not only make the playoffs but pretty much universally be touted as the team 'no one wants to play' in the playoffs two years ago. The very next year... with supposedly a stronger cast of players taking over for some of the positions that were deemed weaknesses the year before (except for on the oline)... and the team is the team EVERYONE wanted to play because they knew it was an easy win.
I'm with djm. I don't think we're that far off at all. Just shore up a few areas (OL and LB especially), and we're right back in the hunt. There are very few teams out there that can claim to be so complete that they can assume that they'll be in the playoffs every year. Just a quick peek of how many different teams make the playoffs every year is a testament to that. Is there anyone that'd be surprised if the Rams, Bills, Titans and Panthers don't make the playoffs next year? I know I wouldn't.
The 2016 NYG were not the team “nobody wanted to play” in the post season. I saw the exact opposite actually. They were called a fraud and critics pointed to their point differential as the main reason (just +26). They then proceeded to get their doors blown off.
I don't know who you heard that from but I remember hearing a few analysts on the NFL Network make that statement.
And... if I recall correctly... the team wasn't getting it's 'doors blown off' until injuries (DRC) and dumb luck (completed Hail Mary's) occurred.
They scored 13 points. Even if DRC stayed on the field and the Hail Mary fell incomplete, you really think that D was going to hold the Packers to just 12 points on the road in Lambeau?
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A perfect example would be the Rams.
For years they've sucked since the end of the 'Greatest show on turf' days. Consistently had MUCH worse seasons... in consecutive order... than the Giants had. Last off season they make a coaching change and voila!... they're contending for the NFC crown and are everyone's darlings and everyone's talking about how they're an up and coming team with the next great wunderkind young HC.
We always say every season is different and the last two Giants seasons are a testament to that statement. You'll find very few people who DIDN'T think that the Giants were going to be AT WORST playoff contenders (if not Super Bowl contenders)... a horrible season later and now everyone's talking about how bad this team is and it wouldn't surprise me one bit to see this team in the playoffs again next season.
Unless you're a team that's had a losing culture over a prolonged period of time (like the Browns for instance), I'm not sure I believe too much in the 'culture' of teams any more. There's too much roster (and coaching) turnover from year to year for any kind of real 'culture' to develop in my opinion. This team was good enough to not only make the playoffs but pretty much universally be touted as the team 'no one wants to play' in the playoffs two years ago. The very next year... with supposedly a stronger cast of players taking over for some of the positions that were deemed weaknesses the year before (except for on the oline)... and the team is the team EVERYONE wanted to play because they knew it was an easy win.
I'm with djm. I don't think we're that far off at all. Just shore up a few areas (OL and LB especially), and we're right back in the hunt. There are very few teams out there that can claim to be so complete that they can assume that they'll be in the playoffs every year. Just a quick peek of how many different teams make the playoffs every year is a testament to that. Is there anyone that'd be surprised if the Rams, Bills, Titans and Panthers don't make the playoffs next year? I know I wouldn't.
The 2016 NYG were not the team “nobody wanted to play” in the post season. I saw the exact opposite actually. They were called a fraud and critics pointed to their point differential as the main reason (just +26). They then proceeded to get their doors blown off.
I don't know who you heard that from but I remember hearing a few analysts on the NFL Network make that statement.
And... if I recall correctly... the team wasn't getting it's 'doors blown off' until injuries (DRC) and dumb luck (completed Hail Mary's) occurred.
They scored 13 points. Even if DRC stayed on the field and the Hail Mary fell incomplete, you really think that D was going to hold the Packers to just 12 points on the road in Lambeau?
This is really not this important to debate because it has little to absolutely nothing to do with the topic of this thread but to answer your question, no... I don’t.
I think everyone handled the Eli benching wrong. Mara for not being there. Reese/McAdoo for execution, Eli for being inflexible to it at 2-9 & the fans for being ridiculously over the top.
That is all over now. Fresh start. Let’s see how the Giants handle the draft & Eli. Very crucial, and I hope the past doesn’t influence the decisions.
Meanwhile the most memorable moments of our last couple years are Eli on the bench, a boat trip, and a fucking commercial where our 3-13 players were reenacting Dirty Dancing during a Super Bowl the fucking Eagles were about to win.
If you aren't miserable over the state of this team then you're never gonna be. I've never felt worse about them in thirty years.
Certainly a legitimate take but Gettleman alone gives me confidence in the organization going forward. He has a ton of experience and success as a NFL executive. He knows how to build a team the right way.