FWIW PFF says Pugh is a Must Resign for the Giants

That seals it that he has no business coming back.

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is no star but he is bashed here far more than he should be. He could do ok here if he can stay helathy (which is a whole different subject).

The other 6 he's watching from the sideline.

He's not a must re-sign at all.

Too injury prone. Will ask to much money
Not that good Doesn’t make a difference

No on Dion Lewis. Rather draft Barkley

Norwell should be the acquisition Young and big

Solder is 30. May not want to leave NE. I believe his son might have medical issues

I don't think Pugh is mediocre when he's healthy

The issue with Pugh is how any games are you going to get out of him not his ability and versitility

But anyone who thinks John Jerry should once again be one of the starting Guards for the Giants has no credibility. Beyond that, Pugh has been the Giants best OL the last few years, when healthy. However, he can't seem to stay healthy, and he has back issues. So IMO the Giants need to move away from Pugh, as you can't tie up that kind of cap space on a guy who is on the sideline in street clothes come game-day.

And if you want to say that he is "good when healthy", he isn't healthy often enough. Let somebody else overpay him.

Bit of a knucklehead (who goes to the airport and forgets that there is a loaded handgun in their backpack?) but he would definitely upgrade the position.

Suggests signing Dion Lewis, who can't stay healthy as a primary runner, and Pugh, who can't stay healthy. OK.

he's not often healthy. It would be a mistake to overpay for an ok, oft injured guard.

In comment 13840140 j_rud said:

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Bit of a knucklehead (who goes to the airport and forgets that there is a loaded handgun in their backpack?) but he would definitely upgrade the position.

I mentioned him as a potential FA signing in the Skinner cut thread yesterday. He's a solid player and would easily be an upgrade to what we have at LB right now. But then again, so would a tackling dummy.

pugh or richburg coming back, just so we don't have too many holes. I would do at most a 3 year deal for pugh back loaded with playing time bonuses. and Richburg I would give a solid 2 year deal. We haven't seen these guys with a completely new staff. the new oline coach might do wonders.

In comment 13840150 The_Boss said:

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He's a solid player and would easily be an upgrade to what we have at LB right now. But then again, so would a tackling dummy.

Ha! So true. That robotic tackling dummy they use at Dartmouth would be a star on the Giants D. smh.

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Comes at a slight premium but a small price to pay for the piece of mind that the guy will most likely play most of his contract. Sure it takes two to tango, but Norwell will most likely make his decision before Pugh does and we could always circle back.

A must resign then we are truly in deep shit.

I think Pugh is pretty dead set on hitting the open market. It doesn't mean he won't sign here, but I think he wants to see what is out there for him.

There isn't a single position that is set for 2018. Flowers and Jerry are the only remaining starters still on the roster. Its hard to imagine the team will start Flowers at LT again, and John Jerry is nothing more than a backup. They need to move Flowers inside and find 4 new starters, all while learning a new O-system. That's a big nasty hill to climb.

the market for him may or may not be as big as people think. If he wants a 1 year prove it deal I'd be in for that (a long term cheap deal is unrealistic).

you would understand that they mentioned all the things here about Pugh that BBI is mentioning.. He misses games.. he is no star.. is versatile.. I think their main point is that our tackle situation is so bad that if we create another hole by not signing Pugh we will have too many holes to fix...

In comment 13840267 chuckydee9 said:

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you would understand that they mentioned all the things here about Pugh that BBI is mentioning.. He misses games.. he is no star.. is versatile.. I think their main point is that our tackle situation is so bad that if we create another hole by not signing Pugh we will have too many holes to fix...

True, but there are better option that can be signed at the level of money Pugh will be seeking

In comment 13840260 UConn4523 said:

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the market for him may or may not be as big as people think. If he wants a 1 year prove it deal I'd be in for that (a long term cheap deal is unrealistic).

He may sign one of those deals, but if I'm Pugh, there is no way I sign that deal here. I go to a place like Dallas that will make me look good so I can cash in next year. That isn't an option for this team right now.

In comment 13840281 Beer Man said:

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In comment 13840267 chuckydee9 said: Quote: you would understand that they mentioned all the things here about Pugh that BBI is mentioning.. He misses games.. he is no star.. is versatile.. I think their main point is that our tackle situation is so bad that if we create another hole by not signing Pugh we will have too many holes to fix... True, but there are better option that can be signed at the level of money Pugh will be seeking

yes I know Pugh is seeking too much money. but the OL market this year is barren.. other than Solder there isn't a good OT or heck even an average OT.. Pugh may be the second best OT in the market..
I don't think we should bring back pugh at the price he is seeking either but at least PFF made those points... They just left the money situation out of this..

Of the Giants are must resign and Norwell is not going to make all the OL concerns disappear. Solder is also on the injured list at times and is not getting any younger the kids medical issue should not be a real concern from Mass to NY. That’s not a vote to sign him it’s a fact FA is all about taking Someone’s else’s trash and molding it into fine gold not much luck with that in the past.

We need to use the draft and UDFA to build a line that will grow together for years to come. If we keep spending fools Gold on FA the process will never end. No one can guarantee there won’t be any injuries but if a 10+ mil guy gets hurt compared to a less than 2 mil guy who is easier to replace without long term CAP difficulties? Teams only have a small window to excel as long as they continue to sign these big contracts anyone can be replaced. Super Bowl winner and MVP QB was the second string guy a somewhat miracle story but oh well shit happens.

In the draft process you can replace 15+ guys every year in FA between three to five perceived good vets. Let’s not make it seem impossible to change this roster right now today. Presently on the roster right now you could release 35-40 players and maybe 6-9, would be waiver pickups. That’s the reality of the present Giants roster except many believe that’s not true for some reasons. We have a group of vets who failed ridiculously badly last year, to many young guys with no real NFL future but once again some believe in hope. The young guys we all hoped would be building blocks for the future all took steps backwards and joined UFC of the media instead. Look at the roster take the NY hype out of these players profiles and just ask yourself can they really win with these guys not just this year but years to come?

In comment 13840294 AcesUp said:

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In comment 13840260 UConn4523 said: Quote: the market for him may or may not be as big as people think. If he wants a 1 year prove it deal I'd be in for that (a long term cheap deal is unrealistic). He may sign one of those deals, but if I'm Pugh, there is no way I sign that deal here. I go to a place like Dallas that will make me look good so I can cash in next year. That isn't an option for this team right now.

Yeah I don't see him coming back either way unless he really takes to DG and Shurmur.

or Pugh Football Fetish

I’d rather try to sing Richburg on a cheaper deal and let Pugh walk. Then you have richburg at C, Flowers at guard or RT, Jerry as backup, sign Norwell or Solder or both, and draft a couple lineman. They need to sign 2 vets and draft 2 lineman.

I have no interest in paying big money to Pugh. He can be good but he’s definitely not dominant and closer to average. If he’s not playing 16 games in a contract year, do you really expect him to play 16 a year once he’s paid? Time to move on unless it’s for cheap.

and a better expenditure of UFA dolers ...

zero credibility

says he'll be coveted for his ability to play tackle (after mentioning that his best years were at guard). If he could play tackle with any proficiency, he wouldn't be playing left guard.

It also mentions continuity, which Pugh hasn't had. Valid point, except it isn't a reason to re-sign him. Whoever is playing the position will need to develop continuity with what hopefully will be a new line. it doesn't need to be Pugh.

you don't create a hole by signing a different player. We need to put someone under contract. the choice is Pugh or someone else.

In comment 13840115 Joey in VA said:

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That seals it that he has no business coming back.

My thinking exactly.

In comment 13840128 gidiefor said:

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I don't think Pugh is mediocre when he's healthy The issue with Pugh is how any games are you going to get out of him not his ability and versitility

I don't think he's mediocre either. But, he isn't special. He is a better than average OG and OT. But, he is never healthy. His back and concussion issues are enough to make me pass without even factoring in that he wants decent money. No thank you. I'd go all in on Norwell and/or trade down and draft Nelson in Round 1.

is versatile in that he can play multiple spots but he is a below average starter and we have had plenty of those on the OL here the last 5 years...

It's time to upgrade once and for all...

I can't see spending a ton of money on Norwell or any other interior lineman when the real problem is OT on both sides.

There are no easy solutions to the OT problem either, as there are no premium OTs in either Free Agency or the draft. All available or potentially available OTs come with some kind of warts. But ignoring the problem won't make it go away.

is that the importance between the two is baked into the cost. You simply don't see young and clean OTs hit the market. Solder is likely to get a comparable or higher contract to Norwell, despite his red flags, because he plays LT. I'd rather spend on big tickets that I know aren't going to burn me down the road. LT is certainly a problem, but there's better value filling that internally, maybe buy some time with a low cost bandaid solution for now.

Has he ever played guard anywhere before? I mean it makes sense to try it I'm just wondering.

Place on the market, I think he’s signing elsewhere.

are a major concern.

Yeah, I like a healthy Pugh. But it's still Availability is the best Ability. And he doesn't have it. If he gets an offer based on a healthy, 16 game Pugh, I pass. Track record says he misses a quarter of the season, minimum. Or underperforming games played injured. No thanks. Somebody is going to pay him more than he is worth.