Jonathan Martin - Really Messed Up

Hopefully he gets help.

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What could possibly be going through this dummies head??

who would have thought that something can make Richie Incognito look a bit smarter?

Just saw that. That is fucked up. What a world

a slap on the wrist, or wherever he prefers it, and be sent in for a handful of therapy sessions.

Yeah. Hoping he gets the help he needs.

from a very disturbed young man. A very bad way to get the help, but at least nobody was hurt. I hope he gets the help he needs and nobody (including him) gets hurt.

Don't know what the answer is but this 24/7 coverage of these school killings seem to give other mentally ill psychos the idea to do the same.

It sure looks much more like Jonathan Martin was much more of the problem than Incognito, Pouncey, and Jerry.

Of course, the hell with John Jerry anyway on general principle.

In comment 13840788 Greg from LI said:

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It sure looks much more like Jonathan Martin was much more of the problem than Incognito, Pouncey, and Jerry. Of course, the hell with John Jerry anyway on general principle.

Yep.

I'm sorry, but this shouldn't be the way an adult responds to bullying. This is reprehensible and he needs to get help.

I'm sure Incognito and the other guys gave him a hard time in that locker room, but no amount of football hazing/bullying should ever result in something like this.

Just an absolutely abhorrent insinuation.

In comment 13840788 Greg from LI said:

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It sure looks much more like Jonathan Martin was much more of the problem than Incognito, Pouncey, and Jerry. Of course, the hell with John Jerry anyway on general principle.

I don't think you can really say that.

Maybe Martin's personality leaned more toward him being a victim-type. But I don't think you can say he was more of the problem than the other grown men.

This is a grown man who is reacting to something in an appalling manner. There is something seriously wrong with this guy and I'm not accepting the premise that it's because of other Dolphins lineman fucking with him years ago.

Seriously, there are hundreds of thousands of people who went through worse hazing in boot camp than anything Martin faced in Miami who aren't threatening people on Twitter.

Clearly, there's something not right with him.

But how could you or anyone else armchair this to the degree to place less onus on people who may have pushed a guy to where he wouldn't have gone otherwise?

You're assuming everyone is the same, processes things the same way, brings the same coping mechanisms to the table, and on and on.

This is classic attention seeking behavior not psychotic threats. He's a coward, that's what they do.

hope he gets help he needs.

Noticed no mention from him about John Jerry in his post.

i can't stand this guy and his actions

need John Jerry

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In comment 13840809 Joey in VA said:

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This is classic attention seeking behavior not psychotic threats. He's a coward, that's what they do.

Nah, this is not classic attention seeking behavior. Swing and a miss.

In comment 13840809 Joey in VA said:

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This is classic attention seeking behavior not psychotic threats. He's a coward, that's what they do.

In comment 13840788 Greg from LI said:

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It sure looks much more like Jonathan Martin was much more of the problem than Incognito, Pouncey, and Jerry. Of course, the hell with John Jerry anyway on general principle.

Why? There�s no evidence that Martin initiated anything or did anything to deserve the treatment he received. He�s suffered from depression and apparently has tried to commit suicide.

was a reference to his highschool Harvard-Westlake. The campus was closed as a precaution.

This dude has serious issues..
Harvard-Westlake Closed Down - ( New Window )

He�s a Stanford grad and both parents went to Harvard but whether or not he�s book smart there are some serious social/emotional issues going on. Hope he gets better but I�m sure even if he�s released he is going to be watched.

Life is tough he should never have played football got a nice rookie contract
What�s the stiff doing now with his $$$$?
Yea and the world isn�t fair deal with it snowflake

In comment 13840996 big canoe jeff said:

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Life is tough he should never have played football got a nice rookie contract What�s the stiff doing now with his $$$$? Yea and the world isn�t fair deal with it snowflake

was junior seau a snowflake? Dave Duerson? Andre Waters? Rashan Salaam?

Don�t even compare snowflake to these great players
Martin was a pussy he didn�t have CTE stiff he played what 1 year?..
So .... what�s he doing now????

In comment 13841016 big canoe jeff said:

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Don�t even compare snowflake to these great players Martin was a pussy he didn�t have CTE stiff he played what 1 year?.. So .... what�s he doing now????

he played all throughout high school and three years in college before turning pro. The point is mental illness is just as life threatening as cancer or heart disease whether it�s chemical or caused by CTE. To call people snowflakes or pussies is just fucking ignorant.

Underestimate mental illness.

I'd suspect mental illness over a problem stemming from CTE. I hope they quickly find a good medication for him and he continues to take it and have a good life.

He seemed to have all the tools to be a solid tackle back in 2012 but maybe his mind held him back. For an Oline guy, you have to be/change into a nasty warrior when that whistle blows.

In comment 13840996 big canoe jeff said:

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Life is tough he should never have played football got a nice rookie contract What�s the stiff doing now with his $$$$? Yea and the world isn�t fair deal with it snowflake

In general, it seems those that love to use this worthless "snowflake" mock are usually compensating for something.

I am entirely sympathetic to mental illness. I know how serious it is and how it affects people - I have people in my family who suffer, and when I was younger, I had my own bouts with some pretty hard bouts of depression.

It's a real issue and something that is still more "taboo" than it should be.

I think it's obvious that Martin is fighting some demons - but this isn't about being bullied. This isn't something you blame on the guys in the Dolphins locker room who gave him a hard time. This goes a bit beyond that.

I don't know his history, if CTE is something that could be impacting him, or where this came from. What I do know is that it's a very scary thing for someone to put out there and it's something that should raise eyebrows.

At the end of the day, I just hope someone can work with him and that he can get some help.

I think this is more than just trying to get attention.

Also - as reprehensible as I felt this was for him to put out there, it is not at all constructive to call him a "pussy" or a "snowflake."

It's really juvenile and it doesn't help to solve the issue.

Attitudes like that do nothing but fuel the fire and further encourage this type of behavior. It's just not productive in any capacity.

Martin is...

grown adult, this sort of a post screams for help. I hope he gets it and soon. Punishing him now won't do society or Martin any good.

In comment 13841074 Route 9 said:

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Martin is...

Alright, you got a small chuckle out of me.

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In comment 13840809 Joey in VA said: Quote: This is classic attention seeking behavior not psychotic threats. He's a coward, that's what they do. Nah, this is not classic attention seeking behavior. Swing and a miss.

ok Freud tell us what it is. Martin's post draws attention to him, he manipulates the situation and social media to elicit a response and get himself noticed. Now he's in custody and likely has what he wants and could not ask for. Sounds like he needs attention and did what he needed to get it. By attention I don't mean fame you dingus, I mean he is dying for someone to help him and is too afraid to actually ask for it. And yes he is a coward who runs and hides and then throws a tantrum in his own way. It doesn't make him sane, he's clearly not, but he's not going on a shooting spree either. He needs help and can't ask for it. Hence this whoa is me cry for attention. Please tell me what's so wrong in my view of this. I'm dying for a real professional to impart his wisdom and knowledge. Now make with the answers.

He may be very intelligent and very physically talented, but
there is a question to me about his character. He ratted
his team mates to protect his ego. He was given 'real
world shit' and couldn't handle it. Then did a really
shitty thing.
Bullying is one of those roadblocks that must be dealt
with on the road of life. Failure to address or becoming
resentful for seeming unfairness are not winning strategies.

In comment 13841081 Joey in VA said:

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In comment 13840910 Giantology said: Quote: In comment 13840809 Joey in VA said: Quote: This is classic attention seeking behavior not psychotic threats. He's a coward, that's what they do. Nah, this is not classic attention seeking behavior. Swing and a miss. ok Freud tell us what it is. Martin's post draws attention to him, he manipulates the situation and social media to elicit a response and get himself noticed. Now he's in custody and likely has what he wants and could not ask for. Sounds like he needs attention and did what he needed to get it. By attention I don't mean fame you dingus, I mean he is dying for someone to help him and is too afraid to actually ask for it. And yes he is a coward who runs and hides and then throws a tantrum in his own way. It doesn't make him sane, he's clearly not, but he's not going on a shooting spree either. He needs help and can't ask for it. Hence this whoa is me cry for attention. Please tell me what's so wrong in my view of this. I'm dying for a real professional to impart his wisdom and knowledge. Now make with the answers.

Joey, that is not how your post comes off when you are dismissing his actions as non-psychotic threats. These are psychotic threats. When people post pictures of weapons and tag other people, it�s not normal (�classic�) attention seeking behavior. Don�t be such a ding dong.

Carl Jung.

What's sad is that no amount of education can help
a person who lacks self awareness.

Because he couldn't do his job and was unwilling either
to change or quit he caused problems of his OL teammates
the Dolphins and turned a stupid football issue into
a race issue and then became the poster boy for anti bullying

I wish him well, but he really has to 'figure out' a lot
about who he is.

This guy was a head case in High School. He is an emotional midget.

Whatever help he has already received obviously has not helped him. They need to lock him up in an institution for a while.

Only a handful of people seem to have a clue about mental illness, including clinical depression. As someone who has seen it up close -- I'm a high school teacher -- I can only pray that some of you have NO contact with people who suffer from it. People suffering from it have no more control over their thoughts and feelings than I can "control" my terrible vision without glasses or lasik surgery.

doesnt help. It is possible for two simultaneously opposing things to be true at once. Hes clearly a very sick individual AND hes also responsible for his actions, especially as an adult. Calling him a snowflake OR blaming others for his actions are equally misinformed.

In comment 13841136 CT Charlie said:

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Only a handful of people seem to have a clue about mental illness, including clinical depression. As someone who has seen it up close -- I'm a high school teacher -- I can only pray that some of you have NO contact with people who suffer from it. People suffering from it have no more control over their thoughts and feelings than I can "control" my terrible vision without glasses or lasik surgery.

and.....although a person may not be able to control
their thoughts they still must control their actions.
Ask the drunk driver arrested even in his intoxicated
state is incapable of making rational decisions. He
is arrested for his actions.

At this stage I hope his parents help him find
some help.

In comment 13841016 big canoe jeff said:

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Don�t even compare snowflake to these great players Martin was a pussy he didn�t have CTE stiff he played what 1 year?.. So .... what�s he doing now????

what are you, a fucking moron? He played football up into the NFL, dipshit. You think you sound like a tough guy but you sound like a weak, pathetic, insecure and idiotic person.

But it's obvious this is more than a guy merely being a "snowflake" (btw anyone who uses this term unironically is a joke).

Deadspins article on his incident linked to this old news story, which definitely at least adds context.
Link - ( New Window )

is the one who noticed the instagram post and alerted authorities that resulted in school closure.

I have no idea if any threat was imminent, but that man could possibly have saved a lot of lives.

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JennaLaineESPN ‏Verified account @JennaLaineESPN 19s19 seconds ago JennaLaineESPN Retweeted JennaLaineESPN I confirmed that Dolphins director of team security Drew Brooks, a retired detective with the Pembroke Pines PD, alerted the NFL to Jonathan Martin's Instagram post. The appropriate authorities were contacted, helping lead to a school closure nearly 3,000 miles away.

To see the world we live in were it�s so easy for people to know the faults of everyone else. If we spent more time helping others rather than accusing them maybe just maybe something positive could happen. It only takes a few seconds to find yourself in a terrible situation in life where no one can help you.

LOL. Whoever the hell that guy is...Keep it up (using the world Snowflake).

It's overused and so 2016, but hell it's getting a reaction.

In comment 13841340 Dragon said:

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To see the world we live in were it�s so easy for people to know the faults of everyone else. If we spent more time helping others rather than accusing them maybe just maybe something positive could happen. It only takes a few seconds to find yourself in a terrible situation in life where no one can help you.

Didn't you hope for Eli Manning to "break his neck" during his return game vs Dallas?