I keep thinking about his End game. Let’s say the Giants draft a QB, but with Eli in 2018 improve greatly (including the offense) and they go 8-8 and are trending up. They keep him and they make the playoffs in 2019 with a solid run.
Eli has to be thinking about this scenario and what the Giants would do. The Chiefs traded their QB in that situation. Eli has a no trade clause, but would another team take him on at 39?
Would the Giants really sit Rosen or Darnold for three years? Would the Giants cut Eli if he and the offense were really trending up?
I’m not expecting a competitive year at all. What I think happens is when the hierarchy feels the season is over, they’ll hand things over to the rookie and Eli will have played his last game in NY. The team proceeds to finish 5-11 or 6-10. They then cut him in the spring of 2019. Football is a business and it can be heartless. Eli knows this day is coming.
But hard to see a scenario where Giants draft a quarterback at #2 and sit him for two years.
Yes but they can cut him after next year and not get skull fucked with the cap and dead $$.
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ELI HAS NO TRADE CLAUSE.
So did Giancarlo Stanton. Players with NTCs do get traded.
Eli is not going to play forever. This is not a scenario that anyone needs to get too worried about, IMO. He watched his brother suffer through multiple neck surgeries and finish out his career as a shell of himself; I don't see Eli wanting to go down that path. I think there's a 50/50 shot Eli retires after the 2018 season, and an even higher likelihood that he retires after 2019.
If the Giants take a QB at #2, there's going to be enormous pressure to get him on the field. Could he sit for one year? Definitely. Two? Maybe, but it starts to get less likely. Beyond Eli's current contract (which also means extending or re-signing Eli while other star players are going to start to need to be re-signed)? The chances of that are so infinitesimal that it's almost crazy to suggest.
Eli is not going to play forever. This is not a scenario that anyone needs to get too worried about, IMO. He watched his brother suffer through multiple neck surgeries and finish out his career as a shell of himself; I don't see Eli wanting to go down that path. I think there's a 50/50 shot Eli retires after the 2018 season, and an even higher likelihood that he retires after 2019.
If the Giants take a QB at #2, there's going to be enormous pressure to get him on the field. Could he sit for one year? Definitely. Two? Maybe, but it starts to get less likely. Beyond Eli's current contract (which also means extending or re-signing Eli while other star players are going to start to need to be re-signed)? The chances of that are so infinitesimal that it's almost crazy to suggest.
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Eli is not going to play forever. This is not a scenario that anyone needs to get too worried about, IMO. He watched his brother suffer through multiple neck surgeries and finish out his career as a shell of himself; I don't see Eli wanting to go down that path. I think there's a 50/50 shot Eli retires after the 2018 season, and an even higher likelihood that he retires after 2019.
If the Giants take a QB at #2, there's going to be enormous pressure to get him on the field. Could he sit for one year? Definitely. Two? Maybe, but it starts to get less likely. Beyond Eli's current contract (which also means extending or re-signing Eli while other star players are going to start to need to be re-signed)? The chances of that are so infinitesimal that it's almost crazy to suggest.
2 season decline? Its been 1 year decline and its clearly based on the offensive scheme. His numbers in 2014, 2015 and 2016 were very good
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after two seasons of decline, is wishful thinking. The idea that the upward trend will happen or continue at age 38 or 39 is beyond wishful thinking.
Eli is not going to play forever. This is not a scenario that anyone needs to get too worried about, IMO. He watched his brother suffer through multiple neck surgeries and finish out his career as a shell of himself; I don't see Eli wanting to go down that path. I think there's a 50/50 shot Eli retires after the 2018 season, and an even higher likelihood that he retires after 2019.
If the Giants take a QB at #2, there's going to be enormous pressure to get him on the field. Could he sit for one year? Definitely. Two? Maybe, but it starts to get less likely. Beyond Eli's current contract (which also means extending or re-signing Eli while other star players are going to start to need to be re-signed)? The chances of that are so infinitesimal that it's almost crazy to suggest.
2 season decline? Its been 1 year decline and its clearly based on the offensive scheme. His numbers in 2014, 2015 and 2016 were very good
Yes, two season decline. 2016 was worse than 2015, and 2017 was worse than 2016. That's two consecutive seasons of decline. See how that works?
Otherwise, they should move on asap.
Will Eli play elsewhere? It's up to him. He can probably go to a team who only needs him for a year.
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after two seasons of decline, is wishful thinking. The idea that the upward trend will happen or continue at age 38 or 39 is beyond wishful thinking.
Eli is not going to play forever. This is not a scenario that anyone needs to get too worried about, IMO. He watched his brother suffer through multiple neck surgeries and finish out his career as a shell of himself; I don't see Eli wanting to go down that path. I think there's a 50/50 shot Eli retires after the 2018 season, and an even higher likelihood that he retires after 2019.
If the Giants take a QB at #2, there's going to be enormous pressure to get him on the field. Could he sit for one year? Definitely. Two? Maybe, but it starts to get less likely. Beyond Eli's current contract (which also means extending or re-signing Eli while other star players are going to start to need to be re-signed)? The chances of that are so infinitesimal that it's almost crazy to suggest.
2 season decline? Its been 1 year decline and its clearly based on the offensive scheme. His numbers in 2014, 2015 and 2016 were very good
Yes, two season decline. 2016 was worse than 2015, and 2017 was worse than 2016. That's two consecutive seasons of decline. See how that works?
GD: From Eli’s perspective , he has the dink & dunk down to the extent where he’s really not taking that much punishment . He’s very healthy. I was watching an old Raider-Chiefs game from the 80s on You Tube. Kenney, the Chiefs’ Q , was getting the shit beat out of him: With the rule changes, that’s not allowed to happen, anymore. Guys still get hurt-sure. Soft tissue pops. Bones break, especially in winter when the playing surface is hard . But , unlike his brother, Eli has yet to incur one truly significant injury playing for the Giants.
My preferred course of action is that they draft his successor at 2, wait for the first 3-game losing streak, then make the change . But guys who remain close generationally to the Giants’ decision makers, like Peter King, hear that Gettleman is going to build up, build around Eli. I think it’s insane. Regardless of how many weapons you surround him with , and how many Tony Bosellis you place in front of him, Eli is still going to face dirty pockets . Shurmur mentioned this when he said “teams want to kill our QB. “. And they still will.
I'd be shocked if Webb won out. In a happy way.
then use manning until they think webb is ready if you want to draft a QB in round 2 say rudolph or jackson for a bit of insurance then fine and as a second round QB it wont cause the same pressure to play them that a number 2 pick will. if
manning doesnt show that 2017 was down to mac and that lack of proper play calling then you can revisit what you do with manning next offseason his cap number does mean he is likely gone after next season as they need that cap space to extend OBJ and collins
until they sign or draft a #2 WR to replace marshall as lets be honest he was done thats why the jets cut him not because of his cap numbers you use engram as your number 2 WR as he is the biggest of the giants WR as it stands moving him around the formation to get the best match/mismatch they can with ellison used as the inline TE to support the blocking that mac never dealt with even thou the OL was a mess
with all those tactic they dont need to find the next manning to carry the team it was always a problem they put way to much pressure on manning's shoulders over his tenure
they won or lost on his play alone
as several teams have shown eagles,vikings,cowboys,jags etc you can win and be more consistant if you have the running game and a steady QB
that just needs to keep the defence honest makes a play here and there and with the running game you are more often facing 3rd and 1-3 yards and doesnt turn the ball over which was always an issue with eli thou mostly when his receivers didnt run the correct route more than many realise
You can always find mediocre RB's and still win championships. Can't be good for sustained time without a very good QB.
According to who?
My guess is a smart GM/Head Coach would have to evaluate the improved play of the Offense and whether Eli was contributing to it or holding it back. To the extent it is the latter, you would likely see Eli cut loose in favor of the #2 pick or Webb if still around.
Unlikely you will see an improved Offense though without improved QB play.
And imv, you are unlikely to see improved QB with Eli heading in the wrong direction with his abilities and age...
Eli is a realist, he knows the spirit may be willing, but the flesh weak.Especially at 39 and without the TB non-steroid steroids/nutrition/regimen(any are all of those).
Eli is a realist, he knows the spirit may be willing, but the flesh weak.Especially at 39 and without the TB non-steroid steroids/nutrition/regimen(any are all of those).
Develops so rapidly? Sitting a QB drafted #2 overall for a full season is already on the more conservative side of the developmental timeline. You think it would be a rapid development for a #2 overall pick to be legitimately pushing to start by his second season? In what world is that rapid?
And I hope that our front office doesn't approach things like fans and worry about how pleasant or unpleasant a personnel decision may be.
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Neither one is ready to play at this level.
According to who?
Go back and watch some of the games this past year. Start with Darnold against ND. Looked horrible.
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Neither one is ready to play at this level.
According to who?
Go back and watch some of the games this past year. Start with Darnold against ND. Looked horrible.
When he completed 20 of 28 passes (71.4%) for 229 yards with 2 TDs and 1 INT on the road against an archrival that was 5-1 and had only lost, by one point, to the eventual NC runner up at that point?
If that's horrible, he should be fine.
Imagine if he went 17 for 32 (53.1%) for 145 yards with 1 TD and 1 INT, with three drives that stalled out inside the 10, at home against Arkansas? What would you think about that QB? It would be a miracle if that guy would ever have been ready to play in the NFL.
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Eliminated ? I’m pulling him if we are 0-3 I don’t want to sit through a season like the last do you ?
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Neither one is ready to play at this level.
According to who?
Go back and watch some of the games this past year. Start with Darnold against ND. Looked horrible.
When he completed 20 of 28 passes (71.4%) for 229 yards with 2 TDs and 1 INT on the road against an archrival that was 5-1 and had only lost, by one point, to the eventual NC runner up at that point?
If that's horrible, he should be fine.
Imagine if he went 17 for 32 (53.1%) for 145 yards with 1 TD and 1 INT, with three drives that stalled out inside the 10, at home against Arkansas? What would you think about that QB? It would be a miracle if that guy would ever have been ready to play in the NFL. Link - ( New Window )
Didn,t watch the game I guess. He made 2 crucial turnovers in first half with INT and Fumble. Game was 28-0 at half. His stats all came when game was out of reach. Final score 49-14. You need to look at more than just numbers.
Yeah imagine if he had played well. ND only won by 49-14 score.
Eli is not going to play forever. This is not a scenario that anyone needs to get too worried about, IMO. He watched his brother suffer through multiple neck surgeries and finish out his career as a shell of himself; I don't see Eli wanting to go down that path. I think there's a 50/50 shot Eli retires after the 2018 season, and an even higher likelihood that he retires after 2019.
If the Giants take a QB at #2, there's going to be enormous pressure to get him on the field. Could he sit for one year? Definitely. Two? Maybe, but it starts to get less likely. Beyond Eli's current contract (which also means extending or re-signing Eli while other star players are going to start to need to be re-signed)? The chances of that are so infinitesimal that it's almost crazy to suggest.
I agree with every word of this post
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Neither one is ready to play at this level.
According to who?
Go back and watch some of the games this past year. Start with Darnold against ND. Looked horrible.
When he completed 20 of 28 passes (71.4%) for 229 yards with 2 TDs and 1 INT on the road against an archrival that was 5-1 and had only lost, by one point, to the eventual NC runner up at that point?
If that's horrible, he should be fine.
Imagine if he went 17 for 32 (53.1%) for 145 yards with 1 TD and 1 INT, with three drives that stalled out inside the 10, at home against Arkansas? What would you think about that QB? It would be a miracle if that guy would ever have been ready to play in the NFL. Link - ( New Window )
Didn,t watch the game I guess. He made 2 crucial turnovers in first half with INT and Fumble. Game was 28-0 at half. His stats all came when game was out of reach. Final score 49-14. You need to look at more than just numbers.
Well, I suppose that settles it. One game is definitely a satisfactory sample size. Good thing we didn't apply the same standard to Eli after the Minnesota game in 2007.
Do better next time.
We may approach 8-8 and miss the playoffs....what does that accomplish?
With the Bortles signing, that is one less team available in the Eli Sweepstakes....I don't think the Giants would get much for him, if he waved the no trade clause, unless it became a conditional pick and he had a good year with a new team that could protect him....
The only option is to designate him a june first cut, and save 10M this season and 10M next season......this is a min 2 year rebuild and Eli is not going to lead this team to the promise land this year.....you suck another year, get another high pick and make your move in 2019....
Start the inevitable RIGHT NOW!
nah...
Eli Manning has been trending down for four years and there is no non-emotional reason to expect him to improve. His career in NY is essentially over.
That having been said, quarterbacks are made not drafted, I expect the Giants to draft Barkley at #2, draft a QB Gettleman likes in rounds 3-6 and then to see what Webb can do.
It will be very interesting to see how it plays out. Somewhere Phil Simms is smiling.