That was a major problem last year. OBJ was treated differently. I understand that the Prim-Donas need to be given special treatment. But what message does this send to the rest of the team?
He's part of this team. Accordingly, if I was Gettleman, I would talk with him and reassure a big contract is in the offering provided he can show that he is healthy (which means he needs to show up for at least some off-season scrimmages). If he and his agent refuse to be compliant with Giant's rules, something has to be done. Nobody was above the rules on Giants' winning teams (except for LT - he was a future HOF player). And needed particular TLC, but was a big part of the winning Giants' teams of the mid-to-late 80s.
OBJ will stay in good shape, no doubt. But you can't have someone sitting out when we didn't win with him. At least we were winning with Taylor.
As former HOF baseball player, Ralph Kiner retold in a story: He asked for a raise and the Pirates GM Branch Rickey told him "we finished last with you, we can finish last without you".
RE: Odell says he's not going to participate in the offseason program Â
That was a major problem last year. OBJ was treated differently. I understand that the Prim-Donas need to be given special treatment. But what message does this send to the rest of the team?
He's part of this team. Accordingly, if I was Gettleman, I would talk with him and reassure a big contract is in the offering provided he can show that he is healthy (which means he needs to show up for at least some off-season scrimmages). If he and his agent refuse to be compliant with Giant's rules, something has to be done. Nobody was above the rules on Giants' winning teams (except for LT - he was a future HOF player). And needed particular TLC, but was a big part of the winning Giants' teams of the mid-to-late 80s.
OBJ will stay in good shape, no doubt. But you can't have someone sitting out when we didn't win with him. At least we were winning with Taylor.
As former HOF baseball player, Ralph Kiner retold in a story: He asked for a raise and the Pirates GM Branch Rickey told him "we finished last with you, we can finish last without you".
Again, it's not like he sat on the couch. He worked out withbhis trainer during the VOLUNTARY work out period.
What I do know is that the Daily News is already queuing up the "Odell is a bastard for not playing in the preseason" articles with daily countdown to each and every preseason game.
I cannot believe GoTerps and TLG both show up to bitch and moan about Beckham. FFS man, you two need to get a grip. And when you two are both in agreement, it’s as certain as death and taxes that the opposite side is the place to be.
What I do know is that the Daily News is already queuing up the "Odell is a bastard for not playing in the preseason" articles with daily countdown to each and every preseason game.
Eric, honest question, why do you care?
Exactly. And why should Beckham care? He should live his life to pander to the freaking Daily News? Stay off Twitter because some fat slob behind a desk may write something mean about him? Wow.
LOL. I knew as soon as I saw a notification on my phone about this tweet that there would be a post here about it that went as predictably as this did.
because he'll still play well when the time comes, however, that decision will be the coaches and not his.
I don't know about that. There's a fairly recent precedent on this team that when a player doesn't agree with the playing time arrangement the coaches have in mind, he's allowed to sit out entirely.
for the love of god just trade the kid already. Every single one of these stupid little nudges decreases his value. He would have been worth a RG3 type haul last offseason when I was BEGGING the Giants to trade him. A 3-13 season later and where are we?
Beckham is a commodity and if he was a stock we would be sitting here watching it plummet in value while ignoring the trend in blind hope that it would rebound.
All time greats don't do this type of stuff. 100 million dollar contract players don't do this. Those need to be team leaders.
He's a great talent but long term it can't work with this type of attitude. The inmates can't run the asylum.
The ONLY thing that makes me feel a little better about Beckham is that I can GUARANTEE you that a significant portion of the interview process for HC was about how Beckham would be handled moving forward, and at least the HC and Management are all on the same page right now.
the Giant owners have already said they want the new head coach Shurmur to have a talk with him about his behavior and I think thats a bunch of BS because he wasn't here when this OBJ crap was allowed to go on..
not a good idea, under a no-BS GM, a brand new HC and system.
If it's the money, just say that.
If it's jockeying for a new QB with a better arm for fear of another injury and possibly career ending play, social media is not the place to do that.
Again, if a true comment, for a guy excited about a Shurmur HC pick and O, just seems , even for him, an odd comment.
not a good idea, under a no-BS GM, a brand new HC and system.
If it's the money, just say that.
If it's jockeying for a new QB with a better arm for fear of another injury and possibly career ending play, social media is not the place to do that.
Again, if a true comment, for a guy excited about a Shurmur HC pick and O, just seems , even for him, an odd comment.
not a good idea, under a no-BS GM, a brand new HC and system.
If it's the money, just say that.
If it's jockeying for a new QB with a better arm for fear of another injury and possibly career ending play, social media is not the place to do that.
Again, if a true comment, for a guy excited about a Shurmur HC pick and O, just seems , even for him, an odd comment.
The hilarity of this thread is that there is NO COMMENT..he responded the number 0 tongue in cheek to a damn fan...this is about the biggest “NOTHING TO SEE HERE” story i’ve ever seen.
not a good idea, under a no-BS GM, a brand new HC and system.
If it's the money, just say that.
If it's jockeying for a new QB with a better arm for fear of another injury and possibly career ending play, social media is not the place to do that.
Again, if a true comment, for a guy excited about a Shurmur HC pick and O, just seems , even for him, an odd comment.
The hilarity of this thread is that there is NO COMMENT..he responded the number 0 tongue in cheek to a damn fan...this is about the biggest “NOTHING TO SEE HERE” story i’ve ever seen.
not a good idea, under a no-BS GM, a brand new HC and system.
If it's the money, just say that.
If it's jockeying for a new QB with a better arm for fear of another injury and possibly career ending play, social media is not the place to do that.
Again, if a true comment, for a guy excited about a Shurmur HC pick and O, just seems , even for him, an odd comment.
The hilarity of this thread is that there is NO COMMENT..he responded the number 0 tongue in cheek to a damn fan...this is about the biggest “NOTHING TO SEE HERE” story i’ve ever seen.
And what's the alternative? To some of these people he should be saying things like, "No way buddy, I'm dying to get back out there in the preseason action again, so that I can narrowly avoid blowing out my knee again playing against backups in a game that has no baring on how the Giants fare next season"... Ridiculous overreactions yet again. I'm dying to hear takes from the likes of Go Terps though. I'm sure it's insightful.
Pre season games suck because there’s all the risk of injury and no reward in the standings. Pre season is the worst part of the NFL. OBJ was cheap shoted and lost for start of the season for nothing. Timing and game planning and conditioning can be accomplished in practice where yes you can still get injured but you probably won’t get cheap shoted. Fuck the pre season, fuck the Bengals and fuck Twitter too.
On ONE character in a freaking tweet with no context and there are assumptions and evaluations made. I think it means that OBJ is telling the Mara's they should sell him the franchise for "0" dollars because he's OBJ!! Why not you say? Just as likely as the stupid crap expounded on here.
A player made a joke about not wanting to play preseason snaps after he 1) missed a bunch of games because of a cheap shot in preseason and 2) he's coming off an injury that cost him the rest of the games.
If the media makes a deal of it, and the fans eat that up, what a joke. Like really, STFU to the fans and media.
There are players doing legitimately bad shit around pro sports all of the time.
If this is a thing to you, you should get a hobby to kill sometime between this hobby.
OBj should not be coming out making a statement like that.....
He can make his obligatory first series appearance and sit out the rest of the game.....
We knew this was coming, since he is forced to play under the fifth year option, and not a new contract.....and don't expect him to suck it up, and go out there if injured during the season.....he will be playing it safe until he gets that contract...Steve Smith anyone?
OBj should not be coming out making a statement like that.....
He can make his obligatory first series appearance and sit out the rest of the game.....
We knew this was coming, since he is forced to play under the fifth year option, and not a new contract.....and don't expect him to suck it up, and go out there if injured during the season.....he will be playing it safe until he gets that contract...Steve Smith anyone?
What’s it like to be such a bitch? You must love soap operas.
As long as he's working out with the team and practicing Â
who cares if he doesn't suit participate in absolutely meaningless preseason games. ESPECIALLY considering he suffered an ankle injury in last years preseason and he will probably be playing for a long term contract with lots of guaranteed money during next regular season.
Preseason should be limited to 3 games at most, maybe even 2, anyway.
And the typical posters rushing to destroy Beckham at every turn, Aaron Donald HELD OUT last year. He didn’t practice, he didn’t play, he was nowhere around. He ended missing the first two game of the regular season all while also having a brand new coaching staff, and still managed to win DPOY. As usual certain posters overreact and act like Beckham couldn’t possibly function if he doesn’t play in the preseason and he’s supposedly selfish for doing so.
It’s also a reflection of these same posters (and the abysmal local and national media) that Beckham caught MUCH more flak for skipping OTAs than Donald did for missing the entire preseason and two games of the regular season. Hell, people cried all season long and mentioned the OTAs several times per week. It’s mind boggling the lengths some go to to bring athletes down when we are all supposed to be on the same side. It’s disgusting, really.
And the typical posters rushing to destroy Beckham at every turn, Aaron Donald HELD OUT last year. He didn’t practice, he didn’t play, he was nowhere around. He ended missing the first two game of the regular season all while also having a brand new coaching staff, and still managed to win DPOY. As usual certain posters overreact and act like Beckham couldn’t possibly function if he doesn’t play in the preseason and he’s supposedly selfish for doing so.
It’s also a reflection of these same posters (and the abysmal local and national media) that Beckham caught MUCH more flak for skipping OTAs than Donald did for missing the entire preseason and two games of the regular season. Hell, people cried all season long and mentioned the OTAs several times per week. It’s mind boggling the lengths some go to to bring athletes down when we are all supposed to be on the same side. It’s disgusting, really.
Donald didn't go around punching kicking nets and obtaining penalties for his team because another player got into his head.
OBJ needs to grow up. It's not exactly good timing to go about complaining about a contract and/or threatening to boycott OTAs when your team just came off a 3-13 season (and the most losses in team history) as well as attempting to negotiate after an injury-marred season.
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And the typical posters rushing to destroy Beckham at every turn, Aaron Donald HELD OUT last year. He didn’t practice, he didn’t play, he was nowhere around. He ended missing the first two game of the regular season all while also having a brand new coaching staff, and still managed to win DPOY. As usual certain posters overreact and act like Beckham couldn’t possibly function if he doesn’t play in the preseason and he’s supposedly selfish for doing so.
It’s also a reflection of these same posters (and the abysmal local and national media) that Beckham caught MUCH more flak for skipping OTAs than Donald did for missing the entire preseason and two games of the regular season. Hell, people cried all season long and mentioned the OTAs several times per week. It’s mind boggling the lengths some go to to bring athletes down when we are all supposed to be on the same side. It’s disgusting, really.
Donald didn't go around punching kicking nets and obtaining penalties for his team because another player got into his head.
OBJ needs to grow up. It's not exactly good timing to go about complaining about a contract and/or threatening to boycott OTAs when your team just came off a 3-13 season (and the most losses in team history) as well as attempting to negotiate after an injury-marred season.
And that’s the problem with you fake holier than thou clowns. You think missing OTAs and hitting a kicking net are far worse than holding out the entire preseason and actually missing two regular season games because of it. It’s why everyone hates NY and their fans, That shit happens anywhere else and little is said. But it happens in NY and the fans eat up the bullshit in the media and foam at the mouth over the stupidest things.
That was a major problem last year. OBJ was treated differently. I understand that the Prim-Donas need to be given special treatment. But what message does this send to the rest of the team?
He's part of this team. Accordingly, if I was Gettleman, I would talk with him and reassure a big contract is in the offering provided he can show that he is healthy (which means he needs to show up for at least some off-season scrimmages). If he and his agent refuse to be compliant with Giant's rules, something has to be done. Nobody was above the rules on Giants' winning teams (except for LT - he was a future HOF player). And needed particular TLC, but was a big part of the winning Giants' teams of the mid-to-late 80s.
OBJ will stay in good shape, no doubt. But you can't have someone sitting out when we didn't win with him. At least we were winning with Taylor.
As former HOF baseball player, Ralph Kiner retold in a story: He asked for a raise and the Pirates GM Branch Rickey told him "we finished last with you, we can finish last without you".
once a team starts allowing a player to dictate the terms of his employment its time to lay down the law to him or trade him.....
him when people go after him for stupid stuff, but this is indefensible. So someone makes a joke about hoping he doesn't play one play in the preseason and he writes back 0. How do you defend that? Clearly he is saying that he's above the team and clearly he is saying that he makes the rules and clearly he is saying that practice is not important. How else can someone possibly decipher "0"?? Oh, he's making a joke to a tweet at him? Yeah right. How does he not know that there are a bunch of b*tch "fans" just waiting for him to say anything so that they can jump on him? This is so ridiculous, albeit no surprising, especially when you see the names on the attack.
Also, nice job with the thread title, you got what you wanted.
He's part of this team. Accordingly, if I was Gettleman, I would talk with him and reassure a big contract is in the offering provided he can show that he is healthy (which means he needs to show up for at least some off-season scrimmages). If he and his agent refuse to be compliant with Giant's rules, something has to be done. Nobody was above the rules on Giants' winning teams (except for LT - he was a future HOF player). And needed particular TLC, but was a big part of the winning Giants' teams of the mid-to-late 80s.
OBJ will stay in good shape, no doubt. But you can't have someone sitting out when we didn't win with him. At least we were winning with Taylor.
As former HOF baseball player, Ralph Kiner retold in a story: He asked for a raise and the Pirates GM Branch Rickey told him "we finished last with you, we can finish last without you".
He's part of this team. Accordingly, if I was Gettleman, I would talk with him and reassure a big contract is in the offering provided he can show that he is healthy (which means he needs to show up for at least some off-season scrimmages). If he and his agent refuse to be compliant with Giant's rules, something has to be done. Nobody was above the rules on Giants' winning teams (except for LT - he was a future HOF player). And needed particular TLC, but was a big part of the winning Giants' teams of the mid-to-late 80s.
OBJ will stay in good shape, no doubt. But you can't have someone sitting out when we didn't win with him. At least we were winning with Taylor.
As former HOF baseball player, Ralph Kiner retold in a story: He asked for a raise and the Pirates GM Branch Rickey told him "we finished last with you, we can finish last without you".
Again, it's not like he sat on the couch. He worked out withbhis trainer during the VOLUNTARY work out period.
Oh I've already done that for years. Also what makes you think those job secrets aren't purposely given to me?
Fansite subterfuge -- go it. One day the truth will be known. One day.
Eric, honest question, why do you care?
When the defense has an invested interest in your health.
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What I do know is that the Daily News is already queuing up the "Odell is a bastard for not playing in the preseason" articles with daily countdown to each and every preseason game.
Eric, honest question, why do you care?
Exactly. And why should Beckham care? He should live his life to pander to the freaking Daily News? Stay off Twitter because some fat slob behind a desk may write something mean about him? Wow.
And Odell replied with simply “0”
First of all it was a joke. Second do you think the Pats would love to go back in time and sit Edelman for the preseason?
Any one who takes offense with that can go eat fresh horse shit with eagles fans.
Grown men with rustled jimmies over a fucking "0"
Amazing.
I don't know about that. There's a fairly recent precedent on this team that when a player doesn't agree with the playing time arrangement the coaches have in mind, he's allowed to sit out entirely.
Not sure I understand the question.
Do you mean, "why does it bother me?"
I don't like "media" that isn't reporting news but trying to spin a narrative.
I hope that helps explain my perspective.
Awesome.
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And right on queue.
I'd say the same about you. There are four or five white knights on this board that protect this clown from anyone who would besmirch his honor.
What's the problem with not wanting to play preseason and get hurt? Was Eli not on a "pitch count" last season?
Please explain what the issue is with this and how preseason correlates with winning.
Seriously, this is not a big deal. Just another reason for idiot Odell haters to spew useless nonsense.
Beckham is a commodity and if he was a stock we would be sitting here watching it plummet in value while ignoring the trend in blind hope that it would rebound.
All time greats don't do this type of stuff. 100 million dollar contract players don't do this. Those need to be team leaders.
He's a great talent but long term it can't work with this type of attitude. The inmates can't run the asylum.
The ONLY thing that makes me feel a little better about Beckham is that I can GUARANTEE you that a significant portion of the interview process for HC was about how Beckham would be handled moving forward, and at least the HC and Management are all on the same page right now.
the Giant owners have already said they want the new head coach Shurmur to have a talk with him about his behavior and I think thats a bunch of BS because he wasn't here when this OBJ crap was allowed to go on..
If it's the money, just say that.
If it's jockeying for a new QB with a better arm for fear of another injury and possibly career ending play, social media is not the place to do that.
Again, if a true comment, for a guy excited about a Shurmur HC pick and O, just seems , even for him, an odd comment.
If it's the money, just say that.
If it's jockeying for a new QB with a better arm for fear of another injury and possibly career ending play, social media is not the place to do that.
Again, if a true comment, for a guy excited about a Shurmur HC pick and O, just seems , even for him, an odd comment.
If it's the money, just say that.
If it's jockeying for a new QB with a better arm for fear of another injury and possibly career ending play, social media is not the place to do that.
Again, if a true comment, for a guy excited about a Shurmur HC pick and O, just seems , even for him, an odd comment.
The hilarity of this thread is that there is NO COMMENT..he responded the number 0 tongue in cheek to a damn fan...this is about the biggest “NOTHING TO SEE HERE” story i’ve ever seen.
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not a good idea, under a no-BS GM, a brand new HC and system.
If it's the money, just say that.
If it's jockeying for a new QB with a better arm for fear of another injury and possibly career ending play, social media is not the place to do that.
Again, if a true comment, for a guy excited about a Shurmur HC pick and O, just seems , even for him, an odd comment.
The hilarity of this thread is that there is NO COMMENT..he responded the number 0 tongue in cheek to a damn fan...this is about the biggest “NOTHING TO SEE HERE” story i’ve ever seen.
Don’t ruin it for the idiot Odell haters!!!
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not a good idea, under a no-BS GM, a brand new HC and system.
If it's the money, just say that.
If it's jockeying for a new QB with a better arm for fear of another injury and possibly career ending play, social media is not the place to do that.
Again, if a true comment, for a guy excited about a Shurmur HC pick and O, just seems , even for him, an odd comment.
The hilarity of this thread is that there is NO COMMENT..he responded the number 0 tongue in cheek to a damn fan...this is about the biggest “NOTHING TO SEE HERE” story i’ve ever seen.
And what's the alternative? To some of these people he should be saying things like, "No way buddy, I'm dying to get back out there in the preseason action again, so that I can narrowly avoid blowing out my knee again playing against backups in a game that has no baring on how the Giants fare next season"... Ridiculous overreactions yet again. I'm dying to hear takes from the likes of Go Terps though. I'm sure it's insightful.
Haha put your big boy pants on Big O
It’s just a mattter of time...
If the media makes a deal of it, and the fans eat that up, what a joke. Like really, STFU to the fans and media.
There are players doing legitimately bad shit around pro sports all of the time.
If this is a thing to you, you should get a hobby to kill sometime between this hobby.
I think just as many people wonder what your post means.
I think your highly underestimating Odell’s football intelligence
OBj should not be coming out making a statement like that.....
He can make his obligatory first series appearance and sit out the rest of the game.....
We knew this was coming, since he is forced to play under the fifth year option, and not a new contract.....and don't expect him to suck it up, and go out there if injured during the season.....he will be playing it safe until he gets that contract...Steve Smith anyone?
His statement was literally "0".
My neck is sore from shaking it so much in disbelief.
OBj should not be coming out making a statement like that.....
He can make his obligatory first series appearance and sit out the rest of the game.....
We knew this was coming, since he is forced to play under the fifth year option, and not a new contract.....and don't expect him to suck it up, and go out there if injured during the season.....he will be playing it safe until he gets that contract...Steve Smith anyone?
What’s it like to be such a bitch? You must love soap operas.
Preseason should be limited to 3 games at most, maybe even 2, anyway.
BigBlue4You09 : 12:20 am : link : reply
What’s it like to be such a bitch? You must love soap operas.
who's only rebuttal is name calling.....
It’s also a reflection of these same posters (and the abysmal local and national media) that Beckham caught MUCH more flak for skipping OTAs than Donald did for missing the entire preseason and two games of the regular season. Hell, people cried all season long and mentioned the OTAs several times per week. It’s mind boggling the lengths some go to to bring athletes down when we are all supposed to be on the same side. It’s disgusting, really.
Not sure I understand the question.
Do you mean, "why does it bother me?"
I don't like "media" that isn't reporting news but trying to spin a narrative.
I hope that helps explain my perspective.
spinning a narrative is what the sports media does best, truth and accuracy is unimportant....its all about headlines.
BigBlue4You09 : 12:20 am : link : reply
What’s it like to be such a bitch? You must love soap operas.
who's only rebuttal is name calling.....
Do you think maybe you can learn how to use the quote feature before you puff out your chest? TIA.
It’s also a reflection of these same posters (and the abysmal local and national media) that Beckham caught MUCH more flak for skipping OTAs than Donald did for missing the entire preseason and two games of the regular season. Hell, people cried all season long and mentioned the OTAs several times per week. It’s mind boggling the lengths some go to to bring athletes down when we are all supposed to be on the same side. It’s disgusting, really.
Donald didn't go around punching kicking nets and obtaining penalties for his team because another player got into his head.
OBJ needs to grow up. It's not exactly good timing to go about complaining about a contract and/or threatening to boycott OTAs when your team just came off a 3-13 season (and the most losses in team history) as well as attempting to negotiate after an injury-marred season.
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And the typical posters rushing to destroy Beckham at every turn, Aaron Donald HELD OUT last year. He didn’t practice, he didn’t play, he was nowhere around. He ended missing the first two game of the regular season all while also having a brand new coaching staff, and still managed to win DPOY. As usual certain posters overreact and act like Beckham couldn’t possibly function if he doesn’t play in the preseason and he’s supposedly selfish for doing so.
It’s also a reflection of these same posters (and the abysmal local and national media) that Beckham caught MUCH more flak for skipping OTAs than Donald did for missing the entire preseason and two games of the regular season. Hell, people cried all season long and mentioned the OTAs several times per week. It’s mind boggling the lengths some go to to bring athletes down when we are all supposed to be on the same side. It’s disgusting, really.
Donald didn't go around punching kicking nets and obtaining penalties for his team because another player got into his head.
OBJ needs to grow up. It's not exactly good timing to go about complaining about a contract and/or threatening to boycott OTAs when your team just came off a 3-13 season (and the most losses in team history) as well as attempting to negotiate after an injury-marred season.
And that’s the problem with you fake holier than thou clowns. You think missing OTAs and hitting a kicking net are far worse than holding out the entire preseason and actually missing two regular season games because of it. It’s why everyone hates NY and their fans, That shit happens anywhere else and little is said. But it happens in NY and the fans eat up the bullshit in the media and foam at the mouth over the stupidest things.
Exactly whom did that action impact or influence?
I guess if Beckham doesn't say a word but misses two games in a holdout, that would be cool?
He's part of this team. Accordingly, if I was Gettleman, I would talk with him and reassure a big contract is in the offering provided he can show that he is healthy (which means he needs to show up for at least some off-season scrimmages). If he and his agent refuse to be compliant with Giant's rules, something has to be done. Nobody was above the rules on Giants' winning teams (except for LT - he was a future HOF player). And needed particular TLC, but was a big part of the winning Giants' teams of the mid-to-late 80s.
OBJ will stay in good shape, no doubt. But you can't have someone sitting out when we didn't win with him. At least we were winning with Taylor.
As former HOF baseball player, Ralph Kiner retold in a story: He asked for a raise and the Pirates GM Branch Rickey told him "we finished last with you, we can finish last without you".
once a team starts allowing a player to dictate the terms of his employment its time to lay down the law to him or trade him.....
Amazing how much interpretation of the character 0 has caused. Almost as if people to bash him will literally use nothing to do it:)
Also, nice job with the thread title, you got what you wanted.
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once a team starts allowing a player to dictate the terms of his employment its time to lay down the law to him or trade him..
Amazing how much interpretation of the character 0 has caused. Almost as if people to bash him will literally use nothing to do it:)
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