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Jaguars sign Bortles to an extension

jeff57 : 2/24/2018 7:30 pm
3 years $54 million. Could go up to $66 million.

I think they’re nuts.
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I think it's a great deal for the Jags  
adamg : 2/24/2018 7:31 pm : link
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Not a bad deal for the team when you think about it...  
bLiTz 2k : 2/24/2018 7:32 pm : link
3 years 26.5 guaranteed...he was going to make 19 just next year.

only a 3 year deal, which doesnt tie the team up long term if he doesnt progress..curious to see where the money is distributed -- front/back loaded or split evenly.
Pretty cheap all things considered  
UConn4523 : 2/24/2018 7:34 pm : link
the hook rate for a starting, good QB is probably 1/3 more per year. They are banking on him getting better and I’m guessing he’s an easy cut in that final year if it doesn’t pan out.

Definitely not a Bortles fan but this is a pretty good resolution for both parties.
Good for Bortles too  
mrvax : 2/24/2018 7:37 pm : link
If he ever takes the next step and becomes a real good QB, he can still have time to be one of the highest paid guys.
Blake Bortles making that kind of $ is  
RDJR : 2/24/2018 7:44 pm : link
crazy. Good for him, but I think TC will regret this long term.
RE: Good for Bortles too  
Diver_Down : 2/24/2018 7:49 pm : link
In comment 13841634 mrvax said:
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If he ever takes the next step and becomes a real good QB, he can still have time to be one of the highest paid guys.


And good for Bortles in that if he was released (pending a passed physical), he would have joined a glut of FA QBs. He likely would not have garnered much interest. Hopefully, he can continue to work on his craft and demonstrate that he is worth a longer term market value contract. In the meantime, the Jags save money which they can use to retain the young defensive talent that has carried them this far. If Blake doesn't work out, then they can cut bait.
RE: Blake Bortles making that kind of $ is  
UConn4523 : 2/24/2018 7:59 pm : link
In comment 13841642 RDJR said:
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crazy. Good for him, but I think TC will regret this long term.


I’d rather have Bortles at this price than Alex Smithat his price and whatever Cousins will get. This is a cheap deal that has no long term ramifications.
He's much better  
allstarjim : 2/24/2018 8:21 pm : link
Than the overriding perception on this board
So likely  
old man : 2/24/2018 8:21 pm : link
3-$58-60, with easy to reach incentives, the last $6 AFC champs, the SB champs, and 1 season+ in the guarantee.
So he has a year or 2 then the get a veteran in '19 or '20 to hopefully get them over, or trade for a high draft pick in the in the '20 class, re: QB.
If he's a cluster fail in '18, then the above happens in '19.
Like most teams with these qbs that no one can figure out  
djm : 2/24/2018 8:28 pm : link
They are in a no win situation. Let him walk and who plays qb for the jags? Some slob that likely prevents them from winning 10 games. Sign bortles and if he struggles everyone says I told you so. Problem is no one knows about bortles. He's flashed glimpses of very good play. He's not terrible and anyone who insists otherwise isn't looking at things fairly.

No win situation?  
Go Terps : 2/24/2018 8:44 pm : link
If it is indeed that, is smarter to choose the path that allows for more future options. The Jaguars paid and still have a problem at quarterback. Poor management.
Good deal  
Giant John : 2/24/2018 9:38 pm : link
For both. In fact Jags got a deal.
Smart move  
Torrag : 2/24/2018 9:50 pm : link
That offense is short on weapons and he played welll overall this season. Protected the ball much better and was generally efficient. They could look to deepen the position behind him though with a developmental guy or bring in some vet depth with the deep FA class once he big named thin out the dollars some.
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christian : 2/24/2018 9:51 pm : link
This gives the Jags plenty of options. The contract very likely has little to no guaranteed money in the third year. So in all likelihood it's a 2 year ~25M deal.

It's not a cap prohibitive deal, it doesn't saddle them with long term financial consequences, and it certainly won't keep them from making a move to get a young QB.
RE: No win situation?  
UConn4523 : 2/24/2018 9:54 pm : link
In comment 13841704 Go Terps said:
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If it is indeed that, is smarter to choose the path that allows for more future options. The Jaguars paid and still have a problem at quarterback. Poor management.


This was a cheap deal, this won’t effect their ability to make a love in the future.
I'm not talking about a cap constraint  
Go Terps : 2/24/2018 9:59 pm : link
I'm talking about committing to the player. I'd expect that this announcement went over like a lead balloon to the defensive players and staff. I don't know how you sell this move to that side of the ball.
Well, his teammates may very well like him  
UConn4523 : 2/24/2018 10:03 pm : link
it’s also better than spending 4x the guarantees on Cousins. Bortles May also improve and the have flexibility if he doesn’t.

But the defense needs to worry about themselves. Management shouldnt be making decisions based on what their roster thinks of each transaction.
“You like that!?”  
trueblueinpw : 2/24/2018 10:11 pm : link
“Heck yeah, I like that.”

-Kirk Cousins
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Go Terps : 2/24/2018 10:17 pm : link
Management also shouldn't be doubling down on one of the shittiest quarterbacks in football.

One of the most amazing things about the NFL is that Blake Bortles and Brock Osweiler are millionaires. It's insane.
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christian : 2/24/2018 10:18 pm : link
There are plenty of smart people running the organization in Jacksonville.

The QB played through a torn ligament in his wrist, lost arguably his best weapon one catch into the season, and lost the 2nd and 3rd for a bunch of time.

He's also the guy that got that defense a lead going into the 4th quarter they couldn't hold to get to the Super Bowl.

He's not a great QB, that's why he's not getting paid like one, and he'll have to prove himself to be worth it, or they move on. But this is far from a mistake by the franchise.
It would be easier to interpret/evaluate the contract....  
Milton : 2/24/2018 10:26 pm : link
...if we knew whether or not Bortles was going to pass his physical. That would let us know who had leverage (and how much) in negotiations.

Was it a vote of confidence or just Jacksonville caught between a rock and a hard place?
RE: .  
christian : 2/24/2018 10:30 pm : link
In comment 13841776 Go Terps said:
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Management also shouldn't be doubling down on one of the shittiest quarterbacks in football.

One of the most amazing things about the NFL is that Blake Bortles and Brock Osweiler are millionaires. It's insane.


Man you just continue to bring the laughs. With a straight face you compare a guy who's never started more than 10 games in a season, will make 12M more guaranteed in his contract, and a team literally had to give a draft pick with him to shed his salary, to a guy who got his team within a defensive joke of a 4th quarter from a Super Bowl?
RE: Blake Bortles making that kind of $ is  
BigBlue4You09 : 2/24/2018 10:32 pm : link
In comment 13841642 RDJR said:
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crazy. Good for him, but I think TC will regret this long term.


You’re kidding right?
LOL  
ZogZerg : 2/24/2018 10:51 pm : link
Thank God I'm not a Jags fan.
I guess they were stuck.
RE: RE: Blake Bortles making that kind of $ is  
Vanzetti : 2/24/2018 10:52 pm : link
In comment 13841790 BigBlue4You09 said:
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crazy. Good for him, but I think TC will regret this long term.



You’re kidding right?



Three years shows they are not really committed to him. Maybe Coughlin felt he had no choice, given the QB market, but I don't think Bortles is a good QB.
He wasn't good, and the 3 year deal reflects that  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/24/2018 11:27 pm : link
they don't buy into his ability.

Even a game manager like Josh McCown would be enough with that defense.
Smart people don't hitch their wagon to Blake fucking Bortles  
Go Terps : 2/24/2018 11:31 pm : link
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Well,  
Doomster : 2/24/2018 11:33 pm : link
that eliminates one team from the Eli Sweepstakes....
OBJ  
Dragon : 2/25/2018 8:48 am : link
Must have just called his agent we are not taking less than 20 mil per year. The best thing about that contract is the length the rest leaves everybody asking really. The Phins with Landry 16 mil and now Bortles and FA has not really started let the madness begin in earnest.
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christian : 2/25/2018 9:32 am : link
Only in the most obsessively of zero-sum worlds is signing a QB to effectively a 2 year/25m deal hitching wagons. Especially when the VP of operations basically says prove it or else. It's the exact opposite - it's an insured, decently low risk signing when there aren't a ton of options in the market.

This sets them up nicely if a player like Lamar Jackson slips to them at the end of the draft. They aren't tied to Bortles longterm at all, in cap or real dollars, and can bring a rookie along slowl.y

If a QB they want doesn't slip, they have a QB on a short term deal, and can assess the market next year.
'He wasn't good'...  
Torrag : 2/25/2018 10:12 am : link
Hmmmm. 3700 yards. 60% completions. The 21/13 TD/INT ratio isn't good but that's an 84.7 QB rating overall.

I'd categorize that as good. Not great but solid. I think he grew some this season. .

They certainly need to add some weapons to diversify their options. Now they have Fournette but I've never been a big proponent of Allen Robinson, whose a FA anyway, as a big time WR and the rest of the skill players on that team are JAGS.

RE: No win situation?  
djm : 2/25/2018 12:20 pm : link
In comment 13841704 Go Terps said:
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If it is indeed that, is smarter to choose the path that allows for more future options. The Jaguars paid and still have a problem at quarterback. Poor management.


They don't have future options anymore? Says who?
RE: No win situation?  
djm : 2/25/2018 12:21 pm : link
In comment 13841704 Go Terps said:
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If it is indeed that, is smarter to choose the path that allows for more future options. The Jaguars paid and still have a problem at quarterback. Poor management.


There's a difference between having a pretty good option at qb and a problem at qb.
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djm : 2/25/2018 12:25 pm : link
In comment 13841776 Go Terps said:
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Management also shouldn't be doubling down on one of the shittiest quarterbacks in football.

One of the most amazing things about the NFL is that Blake Bortles and Brock Osweiler are millionaires. It's insane.


Except bortles is three or four times the qb osweiller is by every single metric out there, not to mention the eye test.

You say to build around a mobile decent qb and not pay the position insane amounts of money. Then condemn the jags for doing EXACTLY that.

Qbs get paid. You need to make peace with that. If you're a veteran fa in the NFL you're going to get paid. You can win with overpaid players as long as you have enough underpaid up n coming veteran talent.
I mean cmon guys  
djm : 2/25/2018 12:29 pm : link
How many fucking times does it take for an average player who hits fa to get paid huge money, in any sport, before you guys realize this is how the market works??? How long? It's been progressing to this point for fucking decades now!! And still, every fricking time, a bunch of people go "holy shit he's making that much!!!???"

Did you guys sleep under a rock for the last 30 years?

FAs get paid!! Deal with it.
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djm : 2/25/2018 12:48 pm : link
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2/25/18, 9:11 AM
The Jaguars were scheduled to pay Blake Bortles $19M guaranteed for one year; are now paying him $26.5M guaranteed for three years (if they want him that long). Low risk move indeed.



RE: Smart people don't hitch their wagon to Blake fucking Bortles  
widmerseyebrow : 2/25/2018 1:07 pm : link
In comment 13841827 Go Terps said:
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What you're not understanding is that this deal is the opposite of hitching their wagon. It's a relatively cheap, short, low commitment deal that doesn't hamstring their ability to build their roster. Isn't this kind of restraint what you've been clamoring for?
How can this be viewed as anything but a great contract for the Jags?  
Dave in PA : 2/25/2018 1:38 pm : link
It’s basically a show me deal for a QB that already “got them” to the AFCC.
Because I’m his world  
UConn4523 : 2/25/2018 1:46 pm : link
good QB play costs nothing and no one dare be “overpaid”.

It’s fine not to like Blake Bortles, I don’t, but this is as flexible as it get when it comes to QB contracts, especially for a player who has room to get better. Hes making 1/3 the guaranteed money as Alex Smith who’s already peaked, and will likely make 1/4 the guaranteed money Cousins will get by someone. So of all 3 QBs, who I know GT doesn’t like, only 1 won’t be hamstringing their team with a huge cap hit.

That’s the definition of a good deal, one that netted the player with the highest upside.
I want to know the alternative move?  
djm : 2/25/2018 2:20 pm : link
What should jax have done? Let him walk? Ok fine... who is the qb? Chad fucking henne?? Nope. Draft a guy? Can do that and keep bortles.

It's the money. It's always the fucking money... but the money should be looked relatively speaking. Problem is some of you refuse to do so.
RE: I want to know the alternative move?  
HomerJones45 : 2/25/2018 2:36 pm : link
In comment 13842134 djm said:
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What should jax have done? Let him walk? Ok fine... who is the qb? Chad fucking henne?? Nope. Draft a guy? Can do that and keep bortles.

It's the money. It's always the fucking money... but the money should be looked relatively speaking. Problem is some of you refuse to do so.
Oh, trade for Eli so we can draft a mobile qb who is not highly paid, you know, like Blake Bortles.

You can't make this stuff up. This was a reasonable deal for a starting qb.
Bortles has some very sketchy games in the middle of the season  
Jimmy Googs : 2/25/2018 5:07 pm : link
but I thought he looked much better at the end of the year and during playoffs. Better decision-maker.

May have turned a corner on his development...
And everybody here thought  
NikkiMac : 2/25/2018 6:12 pm : link
Oh we will trade Eli to Jacksonville like it was a given

Nobody wants Eli at his salary at this stage in his career

This will be his last year maybe he will try and make a statement

In lieu of the embarrassment he got last season.
RE: 'He wasn't good'...  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/25/2018 8:31 pm : link
In comment 13841949 Torrag said:
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Hmmmm. 3700 yards. 60% completions. The 21/13 TD/INT ratio isn't good but that's an 84.7 QB rating overall.

I'd categorize that as good. Not great but solid. I think he grew some this season. .

They certainly need to add some weapons to diversify their options. Now they have Fournette but I've never been a big proponent of Allen Robinson, whose a FA anyway, as a big time WR and the rest of the skill players on that team are JAGS.


Numbers don't really detail the situation. They clearly don't run that offense through the quarterback. It's an offense built around 'Fournette and when he has to take a breather don't screw it up'. They don't trust him, which based on his play, why would you?
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christian : 2/25/2018 8:44 pm : link
Fournette had a really fine rookie year, but missed 3 games, and despite a bunch of home runs still average under 4 yards a carry.

Not to say he's not a big part of what they do, but they won all three games he missed going away.
Numbers don't really detail the situation.  
Torrag : 2/25/2018 9:41 pm : link
Usually they are agood barometer. Or do you prefer him taking his team to the AFC championship and alost pulling the major upset in Foxboro. Either way he had a good, not great, season.
RE: He's much better  
Rover : 2/25/2018 11:32 pm : link
In comment 13841678 allstarjim said:
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Than the overriding perception on this board
No he isn't, he sucks. If he was any good Jax would have not being afraid to let him pass against NE.
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Mdgiantsfan : 2/26/2018 7:49 am : link
obviously a good deal for Bortles and good financially for the Jags. But for a team with SB aspirations I’m not so sure. He did well to get to the Championship game mainly by not getting in the way. But he will need to be better than that to get the Lombardi; to which he hasn’t shown that just yet. And while this is a relatively young team, that window doesn’t stay open long.
explained this morning on the radio  
LG in NYC : 2/26/2018 8:11 am : link
Bortles was GUARANTEED $19m next year b/c he is having wrist surgery this off season. Jax was going to have to pay him that whether he was on the team or not AND all $19m would have counted against the cap.

This deal only pushes the guaranteed $$ up $7m but LOWERS the cap hit to $10m next year, which allows all kids of flexibility for Jax.

For those saying they should have completely cut bait... from a talent perspective, you may be right... but from a $$'s perspective this was a smart move.

What are they supposed to do though  
UConn4523 : 2/26/2018 8:11 am : link
give 4x the guaranteed money to Cousins? What if Cousins doesn’t want to go to Jacksonville? What if they land Cousins and he’s exactly as advertised, choking in bigger games?

There’s no must have FA QB hitting the market and they would have to give up the farm to move into the top 5 to grab one of the top rated QBs.

They instead try to build on last year, continue to coach and mold Bortles, and remain flexible enough to make a move next year or maybe move up a bit if one of the QBs slips.
what a shit move  
ArcadeSlumlord : 2/26/2018 12:01 pm : link
what a shit team
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