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Gettleman Article on How he Finds Players

twostepgiants : 2/24/2018 9:04 pm
I think this is an important article on Gettleman mindset.

i think the whole article is worth reading.

But a few key points;

He looks to observe people and their personalities from a distance

He is not into “height-weight-speed silliness”

He has not made up his mind on the 2 pick and wont until all info is in. “Respect the process”

Focused on production and intelligence

Not interested in “timed speed” but “playing speed” and does look at measurable but to gauge athletic ability and explosion.

Very interested in player interviews and will ask “”football questions”. Hw much football do they know?

Free agency “sets up” the draft so you can hopefully take BPA each pick.

He is interested in the throwing mechanics of QBs.

Interesting piece on his mindset considering he is running the draft this year.







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I am really interested to see  
TrueBlue56 : 2/24/2018 9:34 pm : link
How all of this plays out. Right now it is just words, but I love everything that Gettleman is saying. His belief in building through the offensive and defensive lines. Looking at production, intelligence and dedication instead of what we have had here.

And I am excited to see what shurmur will do as well. Shurmur has shown so much versatility to change offensive philosophies with success as well as adapt to what the players can do instead of trying to force a square peg in a round hole.

Ultimately the results will speak for themselves, but I really believe we have the right guys with the right experience and mindset to change things for the better.
TrueBlue  
twostepgiants : 2/24/2018 9:58 pm : link
I agree with everything you posted

I would add on to your point on Shurmur is the article a few posts below on Bettcher and how both O & D will be about utilizing our players skill sets. Not fitting square pegs into round holes. I hear creativity & flexability. Its been a long time since those words were used to describe the Giants.
The next couple of weeks will be very telling  
Rjanyg : 2/24/2018 10:04 pm : link
The Giants have 18 free agents, a few players that should be released or restructured, and obvious needs at OL and LB.

Gettlemen is saying all the right things and I am real excited for the reconstruction of this team.
Thanks for sharing  
Les in TO : 2/24/2018 10:12 pm : link
Sounds like he will be putting a premium on football IQ and discounting 40 yard dash times.
Breath of fresh air  
WillVAB : 2/24/2018 10:22 pm : link
Reading Gettleman’s approach.
What's interesting to me  
moespree : 2/24/2018 10:26 pm : link
Is this is not the first time he's dismissed the height/weight combo. BUT, he's also talked openly about agreeing with the mindset of Coughlin that big men give you a chance to compete. And that thought process from Coughlin came from the Parcells school of thought which did put an emphasis on height/weight.

Personally, I do think height/weight is not as important as it once was in this sport. I think guys are so much stronger and nutritionally more adept that men that would have been considered too small for certain positions 30 years ago are now more than capable of holding them down.
I wonder what type of OL he prefers  
Breeze_94 : 2/24/2018 10:40 pm : link
along with Shurmur. I'd imagine its more of a power-blocking scheme, even though Shurmur ran a ton of ZBS last year. The OL coach and Shula both have background coaching a power scheme as well.

That means guys like Norwell, Nelson, Hernandez, Orlando Brown, Williams, McGlinchey, and Price make sense.

Guys like Isaiah Wynn, James Daniels, Josh Sitton and even Pugh and Richburg don't really fit.
RE: What's interesting to me  
blueblood : 2/24/2018 10:57 pm : link
In comment 13841783 moespree said:
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Is this is not the first time he's dismissed the height/weight combo. BUT, he's also talked openly about agreeing with the mindset of Coughlin that big men give you a chance to compete. And that thought process from Coughlin came from the Parcells school of thought which did put an emphasis on height/weight.

Personally, I do think height/weight is not as important as it once was in this sport. I think guys are so much stronger and nutritionally more adept that men that would have been considered too small for certain positions 30 years ago are now more than capable of holding them down.


I dont think he is dismissing it.. the reality is tht you really cant.. its a factor. I believe what he is saying is that it cannot be the ONLY or deciding factor.. What good is it if you have a guy who has all the height weight speed measurables but who is dumb as a post, doesn't understand the game of football, is hard to coach, and has a bad personality..

you draft Damontre Moore, Marvin Austin, Ramses Barden, Clint Sintim, etc etc
ThiK Eli gets his third SB with this management.  
TMS : 2/24/2018 11:17 pm : link
Wishful thinking ?
RE: What's interesting to me  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/24/2018 11:23 pm : link
In comment 13841783 moespree said:
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Is this is not the first time he's dismissed the height/weight combo.


I don't think he dismissed it at all. And his carolina teams were big, fast, and violent.
RE: ThiK Eli gets his third SB with this management.  
blueblood : 2/24/2018 11:27 pm : link
In comment 13841818 TMS said:
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Wishful thinking ?


Hey man in right there with you. Eli gets a third ring.. he is a Hall of Fame shoo in
RE: ThiK Eli gets his third SB with this management.  
Del Shofner : 2/24/2018 11:43 pm : link
In comment 13841818 TMS said:
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Wishful thinking ?


I'm in.
Very good article  
Peppers : 2/25/2018 2:11 am : link
Thanks for sharing.


I'm a big proponent on evaluating the person. I think that can be easily lost in the mix of everything.
I wonder his atom Rock got that interview?  
FranknWeezer : 2/25/2018 8:46 am : link
Reese never would give a beat writer such “on the side” access. With him or was formal press conferences ( which added nothing) or bust.
Sorry...’”how Tom” not “his atom”  
FranknWeezer : 2/25/2018 8:51 am : link
Fun with Autocorrect.
I don’t know if he will be a good GM or not BUT  
Ivan15 : 2/25/2018 9:23 am : link
imagine how we would all feel today if Reese was still GM and McAdoo was still HC.
I'm glad to see Gettelamn realizes the '40' is pretty useless...  
Torrag : 2/25/2018 10:29 am : link
...as a barometer of play on the field. Of all the Combine drills only the BP is more outdated as an evaluation tool. This gives me hope.
The proof will be in the pudding  
TD : 2/25/2018 10:38 am : link
But he’s got a decent track record and his philosophy appears to be a nice contrast with Reese’s, which was successful only with respect to certain positions (e.g., WR).
RE: I'm glad to see Gettelamn realizes the '40' is pretty useless...  
Mike in NY : 2/25/2018 10:45 am : link
In comment 13841962 Torrag said:
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...as a barometer of play on the field. Of all the Combine drills only the BP is more outdated as an evaluation tool. This gives me hope.


There is use for the 40 yard dash, but it is really only WR, TE, RB, DB, and possibly LB depending on scheme. Assuming I am a decision maker And there is a WR I like, but then I see that the CB’s he worked against timed poorly I might reevaluate the game film I have because maybe the WR’s game speed isn’t what I thought initially.
'There is use for the 40 yard dash'...  
Torrag : 2/25/2018 10:50 am : link
I didn't say 'there was no use' for the 40. I said it's one of the most outdated tools for evaluating players. And it is.

It's fun to watch and I'll always remember Deion blazing that 4.2 in borrowed cleats and walking out of the Combine but the value to professional scouts is limited.
per Pat Leonard FWIW  
gidiefor : Mod : 2/25/2018 11:36 am : link
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Marc Ross interview with the #Giants website last March, reminiscing about 2016 NFL Combine: "Eli Apple, was, I mean, he killed it out here on the floor moving around and was kind of one of those 'wow' guys."
RE: per Pat Leonard FWIW  
Mike in NY : 2/25/2018 11:47 am : link
In comment 13842027 gidiefor said:
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Marc Ross interview with the #Giants website last March, reminiscing about 2016 NFL Combine: "Eli Apple, was, I mean, he killed it out here on the floor moving around and was kind of one of those 'wow' guys."



When his head was on straight you could see the upside that the scouting staff saw in Eli Apple. Problem is he was a complete headcase and the warning signs were there
Everything Gettleman has said is music to my ears  
twostepgiants : 2/25/2018 11:53 am : link
Lets hope reality matches the rhetoric
What he is saying is great  
GiantTuff1 : 2/25/2018 12:17 pm : link
value heart and intelligence first... and work your way off of that.

If the skills exceed heart and intelligence, you'll likely have a loser no matter how talented the person may be.
Just watching the Jersey Guys  
twostepgiants : 2/25/2018 12:45 pm : link
and Parcells said that he had too many California guys and he needed some Jersey guys.

Reading this Gettleman piece, I hBe a feeling we will be getting some Jersey guys again
RE: RE: per Pat Leonard FWIW  
Tom in NY : 2/25/2018 1:06 pm : link
In comment 13842034 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 13842027 gidiefor said:


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Marc Ross interview with the #Giants website last March, reminiscing about 2016 NFL Combine: "Eli Apple, was, I mean, he killed it out here on the floor moving around and was kind of one of those 'wow' guys."





When his head was on straight you could see the upside that the scouting staff saw in Eli Apple. Problem is he was a complete headcase and the warning signs were there


Mike, what were "the warning signs" on Apple prior to the 2016 draft?

I just don't recall any huge red flags on the kid,
i will help out.  
XBRONX : 2/25/2018 1:23 pm : link
A few years ago, a person in the NFL industry met Eli Apple, then a junior at Ohio State, and came away with a singular opinion after the encounter.

“The youngest, most immature kid I met in my life,’’ the NFL source told The Post. “But a good kid.’’
Another (so glad Reese is gone)  
XBRONX : 2/25/2018 1:27 pm : link
But there is this from the NFL source familiar with the lead-up to the 2016 draft: “He’s like a 12-year old, never seen anything like it. He’s been so sheltered. He’s 22 but he’s really 16, which is why he never should have gone with the 10th pick, and Jerry [Reese] should have known that.’’
Finally a GM who is a talent evaluator who  
TMS : 2/25/2018 2:26 pm : link
looks at more than just athletic measurables. Lets see him find us an OL with this approach and we could be back fast.
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