Fanspeak Giants mock draft with no trade downs

and I dont expect Guice to last that long.

If this was your exercise in what you'd do only in a no-trade scenario personally I'd take Darnold and call it a day.

I will say taking Nelson #2 doesn't maximize the 'value' of the #2 pick imo. If Barkley went #1 there will be QB suitors salivating for a chance at the top guy on their board. If we are passing up on the QB imo you have to take the opportunity to revamp this roster with a haul of picks that could not only help the roster but bring in that youth infusion to remake the 'culture' in the locker room.

In comment 13841934 Torrag said:

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If this was your exercise in what you'd do only in a no-trade scenario personally I'd take Darnold and call it a day. I will say taking Nelson #2 doesn't maximize the 'value' of the #2 pick imo. If Barkley went #1 there will be QB suitors salivating for a chance at the top guy on their board. If we are passing up on the QB imo you have to take the opportunity to revamp this roster with a haul of picks that could not only help the roster but bring in that youth infusion to remake the 'culture' in the locker room.

I agree. I didn’t know how to trade down in the Fanspeak Simulator
But I’m definitely on the Don’t Take a QB bandwagon in this draft

protecting the next generation of shitty QBs who possess talent similar to Brown, Kanell, Graham, Pisarcik, etc. while Rosen and Darnold fight it out for MVP every year.

In comment 13841947 Jim in Tampa said:

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protecting the next generation of shitty QBs who possess talent similar to Brown, Kanell, Graham, Pisarcik, etc. while Rosen and Darnold fight it out for MVP every year.

Jim. I think Eli plays another two years. I also think Webb needs and should be given the chance to develop
And what makes you think Rosen and Darnold are franchise QBs and are any better than Webb
Giants are a win now team. Not rebuilding
Honestly I would’ve taken Barkley with the pick and Barkley is my choice if he’s there at 2

I'd like to address the idea that Sam Darnold may not be a franchise QB. I know NFL QB is a highly difficult and demanding position, but watch the Cotton Bowl against Ohio State again. A lot of people thought Darnold played miserably in that game, but if you take everything into account, he played heroically. The line was collapsing nearly every drop back, and Darnold threw amazing passes, some well downfield, in the face of big pressure. The scoreboard wasn't indicative of how well he played. Most other QBs wouldn't have even gotten more than a couple first downs in the face of such defensive excellence.

Darnold will quickly become a top-10 NFL QB and has as much upside as any of the current top QBs in the NFL.

In comment 13841954 Earl the goat said:

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In comment 13841947 Jim in Tampa said: Quote: protecting the next generation of shitty QBs who possess talent similar to Brown, Kanell, Graham, Pisarcik, etc. while Rosen and Darnold fight it out for MVP every year. Jim. I think Eli plays another two years. I also think Webb needs and should be given the chance to develop And what makes you think Rosen and Darnold are franchise QBs and are any better than Webb Giants are a win now team. Not rebuilding Honestly I would’ve taken Barkley with the pick and Barkley is my choice if he’s there at 2

Earl, obviously I don't know Jack (none of us do compared to the professional evaluators) but Darnold and Rosen will very likely be top 5 picks while Webb was chosen in the 3rd RD of a QB-poor draft. I don't think any of the "pros" think Webb is even close in terms of talent to Darnold and Rosen, so NO, Webb should NOT be given a chance to develop if it means passing on a much-more talented QB.

And I'm not really sure if Eli has ANY good years left, let alone two. He has been in decline his last 2 years and 37 yr old QBs don't usually rebound after the decline starts.

...this is why history is so important. I remember what it was like bvefore we got out of QB Hell by signing Kerry Collins who wasn't a star but a level or two above the drek we suffered through for a decade before him.

It's why I'd draft Darnold in a hot second. I'm not as sold on the other options but I'd think long and hard before passing on them.

In comment 13841970 Jim in Tampa said:

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In comment 13841954 Earl the goat said: Quote: In comment 13841947 Jim in Tampa said: Quote: protecting the next generation of shitty QBs who possess talent similar to Brown, Kanell, Graham, Pisarcik, etc. while Rosen and Darnold fight it out for MVP every year. Jim. I think Eli plays another two years. I also think Webb needs and should be given the chance to develop And what makes you think Rosen and Darnold are franchise QBs and are any better than Webb Giants are a win now team. Not rebuilding Honestly I would’ve taken Barkley with the pick and Barkley is my choice if he’s there at 2 Earl, obviously I don't know Jack (none of us do compared to the professional evaluators) but Darnold and Rosen will very likely be top 5 picks while Webb was chosen in the 3rd RD of a QB-poor draft. I don't think any of the "pros" think Webb is even close in terms of talent to Darnold and Rosen, so NO, Webb should NOT be given a chance to develop if it means passing on a much-more talented QB. And I'm not really sure if Eli has ANY good years left, let alone two. He has been in decline his last 2 years and 37 yr old QBs don't usually rebound after the decline starts.

I think a Gettleman stated Eli will be QB this year
So that means Rosen or Darnold sit this year and possibly next
Giants are in no position to have the number 2 pick overall not contribute for the next two years
If Eli wasn’t on this team then I would draft a QB

Irrelevant statement by Gettelman.

Why? Because it's the only use of the #2 pick that immediate contribution does not matter a whit. It's a pick about the future.

It's also a lie because if and when circumstances dictate a change at QB they will make it.

In comment 13841947 Jim in Tampa said:

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protecting the next generation of shitty QBs who possess talent similar to Brown, Kanell, Graham, Pisarcik, etc. while Rosen and Darnold fight it out for MVP every year.

Or those two could be the next BobIII and Colon-Crap-o-Pick!

In comment 13841947 Jim in Tampa said:

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protecting the next generation of shitty QBs who possess talent similar to Brown, Kanell, Graham, Pisarcik, etc. while Rosen and Darnold fight it out for MVP every year.

What leads you to believe Rosen or Darnold will be Rothelisberger or Rivers, and not turn out to be Tim Couch or Akili Smith?

In comment 13841954 Earl the goat said:

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Giants are a win now team. Not rebuilding

Did you not watch any games this season? This is not a talented team that was crippled by injuries or bad luck. This is a team that doesn't have enough talent to compete, and that is not going to be fixed in one off season.

In comment 13842092 Mike from Ohio said:

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In comment 13841954 Earl the goat said: Quote: Giants are a win now team. Not rebuilding Did you not watch any games this season? This is not a talented team that was crippled by injuries or bad luck. This is a team that doesn't have enough talent to compete, and that is not going to be fixed in one off season.

Yea Mike. I watched every game. There’s enough talent to compete and turn things around with the proper coaching staff
What they can’t afford is to have their first pick sit on the bench and not contribute I’m on the Barkley bandwagon

I mean. Whereas ownership may be in a class that says "Aspen this year" "safari next year" "if we make a run... let's stick around".

(Thus, more complacent about the overall nature of the team on any given sunday).

Most of us have more recent... if not ongoing ...blue collar roots:

That is....often loosing on the balance sheet... but gritty and tough ..everyday and..... wanting to see gritty and tough and " we may not beat you but you cannot beat US".... every given Sunday.

So. If that's us. Trade down and stockpile those types of players. The ' you cannot beat US ' type of football players.

You draft the best players with an eye to building a team that will compete year in and year out. Drafting guys to plug in holes immediately, hoping to squeak into the playoffs, is how you become the Cleveland Browns.

In comment 13842092 Mike from Ohio said:

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In comment 13841954 Earl the goat said: Quote: Giants are a win now team. Not rebuilding Did you not watch any games this season? This is not a talented team that was crippled by injuries or bad luck. This is a team that doesn't have enough talent to compete, and that is not going to be fixed in one off season.

I saw an ill prepared team that all but quit once the wheels fell off.

How do you explain what happened after 1992? Or 1996? Or even 2004? Or the Rams after 2016?

The Giants have plenty of good players. They were a mess last year they weren't completely devoid of talent early on, with the OL and RB being the exception.

In comment 13842116 Mike from Ohio said:

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You draft the best players with an eye to building a team that will compete year in and year out. Drafting guys to plug in holes immediately, hoping to squeak into the playoffs, is how you become the Cleveland Browns.

With that said then Saquan Barkley is the best player in the draft and should be the giants pick if available

but a guard , no matter how good, at #2 is a reach. Trade down, Barkely or a QB if he is considered ELI's replacement more likely. MO

You can as long as you think he's a special player. If the Giants saw Nelson as an awesome prospect and they didn't love the qbs and Barkley was gone, why shouldn't they take him? So they should take a "good" DE at 2 over the "great" guard? Nonsense.

That sure would be exciting.

Exciting like a spinach salad.

I want to draft the best guy. It the just a guy who’ll be there so when the guy who is already there is not there, then we’ll have a guy.

Do you have to pay for the premium service on fanspeak in order to have the ability to trade.

Not a reliable draft tool.

Is to be in a position to draft one of the top two QB’s coming out of college in the next year or two. If they are going to try to draft their next franchise QB it is going to be this year. And yes he can sit a year. Did it hurt Goff? Or the kid in KC? No.
Further with our OLine Eli is the guy I want dealing with the rush. At least this year.