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My Pre-Combine Mock draft

gogiants : 2/25/2018 10:11 am
Free agency
LB Avery Williamson (Titans) 4.5 Mil/year for 3 years
LB Nigel Bradham (Eagles) 5.5 Mil/year for 3 years
OT Cameron Fleming (Patriots) 5 Mil/year for 3 years
15 Mil Total

Cuts
WR Brandon Marshall 5.0 Mil
RB Shane Vereen 4.1 Mil
LB Keenan Robinson 3.0 Mil
LB Jonathon Casillas 2.6 Mil
LB Mark Herzlich 0.9 Mil
15.6 Mil Total

Draft
Round 1 Pick 2 OG Quenton Nelson (Notre Dame)

Pushes tackles around the field and buries them in pancake blocks. Plays mean and to the whistle. Over his career (2,336 snaps), Nelson has surrendered just two sacks, none in the last two years, and only two quarterback hits. Notre Dame has rushed for at least 300 yards in seven of its 12 games this season and leads the nation in rushing TDs. Mel Kiper says he could go in the Top 10, giving Nelson “one of the best grades for a guard that I’ve given out in 35 years of doing this”.


Round 2 Pick 34 OG/OC Isaiah Wynn (Georgia)
Alternate picks: OG Will Hernandez(UTEP), OC/OG Billy Price(Ohio State)

All these guys play mean, to the whistle, and are athletic. Wynn is versatile, technically very sound and an outstanding pass protector. Wynn won the Reese Bowl Practice award for the week's best offensive line performance. This even though he played with a torn labrum. Hernandez is a massive 340 lb mauler, road-grader. Yet he shows terrific athleticism. Billy Price is strong and physically dominates opponents. He is also very durable, starting 55 straight games.

Round 3 Pick 66 DE Dorrance Armstrong
Alternate picks: DE/DT Rasheem Green (USC), LB Lorenzo Carter (Georgia)

In 2016 Dorance Armstrong led the Big-12 in tackles for loss and was second in sacks. In 2017 he was asked to play against the run more. This and opponents double-triple teaming him decreased his sacks to only 2. However he increased his run stops from 23 in 2016 to 38. His unselfish team attitude has made him a better player. Armstrong is fast, strong, excellent against the run, and has great bend. Dorance Armstrong is an unrelenting force as a pass rusher. "It doesn’t matter how difficult the opponent is or what the scoreboard says, the idea of an opponent succeeding over me is what keeps me grinding when things get tough." - Armstrong.


Round 4 Pick 104 RB Jaylen Samuels (NC State)
Alternate Picks: RB Rashaad Penny (San Diego State); Royce Freeman(Oregon);

Jaylen Samuels is one of the most versatile players in college. He has played tight end, running back, wide receiver and special teams. “I just try to learn every position around me” - Samuels. Jaylen is a red zone threat, over the last two seasons he scored a touchdown on an incredible 42% of his red zone attempts. In 2017 he got a 1st down on 32% of his rushing attempts (the highest among combine RBs) and with receiving the number goes to 37%. He was not utilized much in short yardage on 3rd down (1-3 yards) and his rushing numbers for those were not impressive but it was a small sample size. Jaylen runs with elusiveness, power and enough speed to be a playmaker. When needed, Jaylen will drop the shoulder and grind out tough yards.






Round 4 Pick 137 WR Tre'Quan Smith (UCF)
Alternate picks: Dante Pettis (Washington), J'Mon Moore (Missouri), DaeSean Hamilton (Penn State); Marcell Ateman (Oklahoma State); Cedrick Wilson (Boise St);

Smith is a big receiver with good speed and solid hands. He is a red zone threat and tied for 2nd most receiving TDs among draft eligible receivers. Smith is also one of college football's best deep threats. He had the 3rd most deep pass receiving yards among draft eligible receivers and the most touchdown receptions on deep passes among all FBS wide receivers. He will go up and fight for jump balls and makes some spectacular catches. Smith is also an exceptional run blocker. He has some issues with drops though that has improved in 2017. Here Tre'Quan makes the catch over the defender.





Round 5 Pick 141 QB Riley Ferguson (Memphis);
Alternate Picks: QB Kurt Benkert (Virginia); Luke Falk (Washington State); Mike White (Western Kentucky); Matt Linehan (Idaho); Kyle Lauletta (Richmond); Nic Shimonek (Texas Tech); Bryan Schor (James Madison); Chase Litton (Marshall);

Riley has a strong arm and can throw on the run. He has a 63% completion rate and a threw for over 300 yards in 12 games as a two year starter. Over the two years at Memphis he has thrown 70 TDs to 19 interceptions. He has the tools the Shurmur can work with. Just one throw shown here for Riley but what an anticipatory gutsy throw allowing the receiver to not slow down and right in the basket.




Round 6 Pick 179 LB Fred Warner (BYU)
Alternate Picks: LB Shaquem Griffin (UCF), LB Dorian O'Daniel (Clemson), Chris Worley (Ohio State), LB Oren Burks (Vanderbilt);

Fred Warner is a three year starter at BYU. Team captain. Led the team in total tackles for the last two seasons. Started 38 consecutive games over the last three seasons. He is fast to the ball carrier with excellent tackling skills. Always around the ball, Warner ranked eigth among linebackers for active career leaders in assisted tackles for a loss. Warner is very good in coverage, reading the quarterback and anticipating the pass. He had 7 career interceptions with 2 returned for touchdowns. Griffin showed well in the Senior Bowl paractice week playing multiple. As you probably know Griffin had his left hand amputated at age 4 due to a prenatal condition called amniotic band syndrome. Griffin has played as a defensive back, off-ball linebacker and edge rusher. In 2016 he excelled in pass coverage collecting 6 pass defenses (2nd most among linebackers) and one interception. Griffin plays 100% all the time, is a film junkie, and just a real football player.I'm showing Griffin coming around on the edge beating his blocker.



I just don't see spending a number 2 pick on the quarterbacks projected for round 1. I defer to Mayock's article on these so called "franchise' quarterbacks. Mayock article on quarterbacks. For a number 2 pick I want a sure thing, a near perfect player. That player to me is Nelson. I don't look to trade down for him. If he is this "elite" player that will be a perenial Pro-Bowl and All-Pro then you don't gamble that away for another pick or two with those picks being gambles in themselves.


neither vereen or robinson are signed for next season...  
Torrag : 2/25/2018 10:15 am : link
...so you cant cut them for cap space...fyi.
same for casillas actually  
Torrag : 2/25/2018 10:16 am : link
...
I don’t think Giants go back to back with offensive lineman  
Earl the goat : 2/25/2018 10:18 am : link
If They get Norwell in FA
Will be one of the all time blunders..  
Sean : 2/25/2018 10:23 am : link
If one of the QB’s the Giants pass on become a blue chipper.
RE: Will be one of the all time blunders..  
EddieNYG : 2/25/2018 10:25 am : link
In comment 13841959 Sean said:
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If one of the QB’s the Giants pass on become a blue chipper.


^This
If  
cokeduplt : 2/25/2018 10:55 am : link
They want Nelson they should trade down
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 2/25/2018 10:57 am : link
I get a kick out of people who took the time and care to craft an entirely long post, and then get basic things wrong as to who is and who isn't under contract.

RE: Will be one of the all time blunders..  
gogiants : 2/25/2018 10:58 am : link
In comment 13841959 Sean said:
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If one of the QB’s the Giants pass on become a blue chipper.


Will also be if they pick one and they don't become a blue chipper. To me these QBs are risky picks. At two I want the sure thing. The later rounds are for taking risks.
RE: LOL..  
gogiants : 2/25/2018 10:59 am : link
In comment 13841997 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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I get a kick out of people who took the time and care to craft an entirely long post, and then get basic things wrong as to who is and who isn't under contract.


I knew they were not under contract. I just meant they are saving that salary by not picking them up again
Nelson/Wynn  
Breeze_94 : 2/25/2018 11:05 am : link
Doesn’t really make sense. First off, it would be horrible to invest 2 top 34 draft picks both on guards. Especially when you consider the fact that it would leave the Giants with Flowers and Fleming at OT. Fleming is not that good.

Also, Nelson is a mauler. Great fit for a power-blocking scheme.

Wynn is undersized and athletic. Better for a ZBS.
'Wynn is undersized and athletic. Better for a ZBS.'...  
Torrag : 2/25/2018 11:08 am : link
...doesn't fit Gettelman's stated preference for Hog Mollies, if I am interpreting the type of inbterior OL that portarys. And doesn't necessarily fit the type of OL Shurmur would prefer even if it is what he had to work with in Minny.
Good read....  
BCD : 2/25/2018 11:13 am : link
not bad for a BBIer..most bums around here just want to attack others post.
RE: Nelson/Wynn  
gogiants : 2/25/2018 11:15 am : link
In comment 13842007 Breeze_94 said:
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Doesn’t really make sense. First off, it would be horrible to invest 2 top 34 draft picks both on guards. Especially when you consider the fact that it would leave the Giants with Flowers and Fleming at OT. Fleming is not that good.

Also, Nelson is a mauler. Great fit for a power-blocking scheme.

Wynn is undersized and athletic. Better for a ZBS.


Wynn showed real good during Senior Bowl. My thoughts were BPA at a position of need. The three I listed Wynn, Hernandez and Price appear to all be 1st round talent. I doubt that they would all go in round one.

Also Wynn can play any position on the line. If Flowers still fails to improve Wynn could be moved there.

RE: Good read....  
gogiants : 2/25/2018 11:18 am : link
In comment 13842011 BCD said:
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not bad for a BBIer..most bums around here just want to attack others post.


Thanks, I appreciate it.
I love people talking about picking  
Chris L. : 2/25/2018 11:22 am : link
a guard with a top 5 pick....ludicrous! Any pick other than the QB of the future is complete negligence.
Excellent Mock  
idiotsavant : 2/25/2018 11:35 am : link
Which Kicks Ass.

Love it.
RE: Excellent Mock  
gogiants : 2/25/2018 11:38 am : link
In comment 13842026 idiotsavant said:
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Which Kicks Ass.

Love it.


Thanks. Always nice to get some positive feedback.
Appreciate  
oldhemi : 2/25/2018 11:44 am : link
the time and effort that you put into this well formatted post! While I dont agree with everything nor know much about your choices, it has prompted me to look a little deeper!
Thanks for a nice presentation!
I like how the OP concentrated his focus  
idiotsavant : 2/25/2018 11:50 am : link
More or less positionally by round and gave himself a good number of choices within each set.

There are obvious trends that appear to carry over year over year, trends that one can seek to take advantage of. And to focus the searching efforts positionally by round may be an excellent exercise to try to gain a view on those trends.
That's a very good draft. The Giants can not afford to draft a qb at  
SterlingArcher : 2/25/2018 12:02 pm : link
and sit him for maybe two years. With the 2 olinemen that could play them immediately. Drafting a qb at #2 what will happen the first time Eli throws an INT fans will be screaming for the rookie, the first time he throws an INT people will be screaming he's a bust and why did we draft him and not this guy!
RE: Appreciate  
gogiants : 2/25/2018 12:03 pm : link
In comment 13842033 oldhemi said:
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the time and effort that you put into this well formatted post! While I dont agree with everything nor know much about your choices, it has prompted me to look a little deeper!
Thanks for a nice presentation!


Thanks for the feedback.

great work  
Pep22 : 2/25/2018 12:24 pm : link
well organized and you took some good players in a well thought out plan

I just don't think we can be serious about winning if Manning the QB. Need to land on his replacement now.
Stop acting like an OL is a sure thing  
Big Rick in FL : 2/25/2018 1:17 pm : link
And a QB isn't because you hear it from the media. The same media who thought we should have taken the sure thing Robert Gallery over a QB who isn't a sure thing. That worked out well. Gallery is on his way to the HOF.
Taking a Guard at #2  
PhilSimms15 : 2/25/2018 1:59 pm : link
For all those who propose the Giants take a Guard with the number 2 slot in the draft, I thought it worthwhile to take a look at the highest drafted guards of all time. In NFL history, a guard was taking with the second pick three times.

Leonard Davis in 2001; Bill Fralic in 1985 and Tom Mack in 1966.

Also, in NFL history, only 9 full time Guards have made the Hall of Fame. Only Tom Mack of the above was one of them.

So you have to have an incredibly strong position on Nelson to make that pick.
Link - ( New Window )
RE: Taking a Guard at #2  
PatersonPlank : 2/25/2018 2:08 pm : link
In comment 13842114 PhilSimms15 said:
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For all those who propose the Giants take a Guard with the number 2 slot in the draft, I thought it worthwhile to take a look at the highest drafted guards of all time. In NFL history, a guard was taking with the second pick three times.

Leonard Davis in 2001; Bill Fralic in 1985 and Tom Mack in 1966.

Also, in NFL history, only 9 full time Guards have made the Hall of Fame. Only Tom Mack of the above was one of them.

So you have to have an incredibly strong position on Nelson to make that pick. Link - ( New Window )


Maybe not HOF, but those guards were great players. Mack you already highlighted. Fralic was a 4 time pro bowler, 3 time all-pro, and a member of the all-1980's decade team. Davis was a 2 time pro-bowler and made the all-p team in 2007.

I think all three of those picks worked out.
Nelson  
Dragon : 2/25/2018 4:00 pm : link
Is a great pick but he is not the number two best player in this draft trade down to sixth or seven slot or maybe four. A good draft but none after Nelson are real difference makers in year one most likely. Fergerson is a pretty solid QB who needs to get bigger and stronger for the NFL.
Obviously how  
idiotsavant : 2/25/2018 4:40 pm : link
Draft order and actual value correlate isn't exact,known or scientific.

But trade down by all means. Do agree on that.
Not big on trading down  
gogiants : 2/25/2018 5:08 pm : link
The Colts need O-Line help to protect Luck and Denver could use a guard as well as other Oline help.
Changed my mind on trading down  
gogiants : 3/5/2018 10:27 am : link
I now this they should trade down. Hopefully with Denver and are still able to get Nelson. If they trade down and lose Nelson I am good with that. They can pick up a lot of extra talent and the interior line prospects are loaded. They could get a good lineman in round 2.
New Mock Draft with trade down  
gogiants : 3/5/2018 11:22 am : link
Composite Board
1: R1P5 G QUENTON NELSON,NOTRE DAME
2: R2P2 LB RASHAAN EVANS,ALABAMA
3: R2P8 EDGE HAROLD LANDRY,BOSTON COLLEGE
4: R3P2 C FRANK RAGNOW,ARKANSAS
5: R3P7 OT JAMARCO JONES,OHIO STATE
6: R3P35 OT BRIAN O'NEILL,PITTSBURGH
7: R4P2 RB JAYLEN SAMUELS,NORTH CAROLINA STATE
8: R4P35 WR TRE'QUAN SMITH,UCF
9: R5P2 QB RILEY FERGUSON,MEMPHIS
10: R6P2 LB SHAQUEM GRIFFIN,CENTRAL FLORIDA

TRADES
TRADE PARTNER:DENVER BRONCOS
SENT:ROUND: 1 PICK: 2
RECEIVED:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 5
ROUND: 2 PICK: 8
ROUND: 3 PICK: 7
ROUND
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