Giants to run disinformation campaign to prevent leaks

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...then any reports would be true, right?

With the rumors of the Giants passing on a qb. I truly believe this is only to try and facilitate a trade up with the Browns.

In comment 13843232 lax counsel said:

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With the rumors of the Giants passing on a qb. I truly believe this is only to try and facilitate a trade up with the Browns.

The last thing I am doing is trading to number 1 with the Browns. We need all the quality picks we can muster.

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In comment 13843245 UESBLUE said:

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They already do a variation of this. They just call everything fake news so you don’t know what’s real anymore.

In comment 13843272 leatherneck570 said:

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In comment 13843245 UESBLUE said: Quote: the WH something They already do a variation of this. They just call everything fake news so you don’t know what’s real anymore.

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don't believe in anything that is perceived to be believable. Don't misconstrue the truth with facts.

when they would do something like this, either they would leak something with the purpose of misdirection. Or, if the Giants are trying to find out who leakers are, they will put a false trail out there and if they see it pop up, they know who the source is.

I believe moons ago on BBI, after the Gloveone thing, this happened with the rumors about Orlando Pace coming the Giants. They are going to smoke out the asshats.

as long as they don't blow it and let teams jump in front of whom they want to pick like recent years then truth or misdirection...either ok by me.

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I also was wondering if they are trying to weed out who the leaks are. I can't believe anyone in a good run organization would be crazy enough to leak out important info in the world of pro sports talent evaluating.

Just go back to the head coaching search. Jim schwartz is the lead candidate, It's McDaniels, no its Patricia

And it's Shurmur

None of our local beats were able to break anything

This is yet another aspect of gettleman that I love. Nobody knows what he will do in the draft, no one knows who will target.

Reese telegraphed everything and everyone knew exactly what he was doing and thats why teams pre-empted us.

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Just go back to the head coaching search. Jim schwartz is the lead candidate, It's McDaniels, no its Patricia And it's Shurmur None of our local beats were able to break anything This is yet another aspect of gettleman that I love. Nobody knows what he will do in the draft, no one knows who will target. Reese telegraphed everything and everyone knew exactly what he was doing and thats why teams pre-empted us.

Problem long preceded Reese. The entire world knew we desperately wanted Shockey in 2002 so much so that the Titans fleeced us out of a 4th round pick to move up one spot. And of course there was Eli in '04. Not a big secret who we wanted that year.

I think the problem is the team is owned by two families, one of which is huge and all these part owners understandably want to know who their team is eyeing. Invariably it leaks.

That wasn't a leak. That was leaving the car door unlocked and the keys in the glove box.

In comment 13843354 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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That wasn't a leak. That was leaving the car door unlocked and the keys in the glove box.

Dallas Clark was the highest rated Tight End on the Giants Board, heard this out of Ernies mouth when he was on Francesca

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as long as they don't blow it and let teams jump in front of whom they want to pick like recent years then truth or misdirection...either ok by me.

Honest question, how do you prevent someone jumping in front of you? Is there a block button?

In comment 13843385 I love liverwurst said:

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In comment 13843354 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: That wasn't a leak. That was leaving the car door unlocked and the keys in the glove box. Dallas Clark was the highest rated Tight End on the Giants Board, heard this out of Ernies mouth when he was on Francesca

Disregard this post, thinking different year different player. My apologies

In comment 13843388 UConn4523 said:

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In comment 13843331 giantsFC said: Quote: as long as they don't blow it and let teams jump in front of whom they want to pick like recent years then truth or misdirection...either ok by me. Honest question, how do you prevent someone jumping in front of you? Is there a block button?

1. Don't telegraph who you are targeting
2. If you really like a player trade up. Sometimes it is better to get the player you really covet, then to settle with what is left.

Reese never understood this concept

Or does just saying make teams wary of any information they might hear?

or what if we tried and weren’t willing to give up what was demanded?

You guys jumping to conclusions like you were with Reese on draft day are hilarious. Giants wanting an edge rusher and a left tackle, news at 11.

In comment 13843442 UConn4523 said:

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or what if we tried and weren’t willing to give up what was demanded? You guys jumping to conclusions like you were with Reese on draft day are hilarious. Giants wanting an edge rusher and a left tackle, news at 11.

posters are saying that the Giants player evaluation is so good, other teams picked the Giants guys and discarded their own draft board. LOL

if they signed a deal with Ross to also do this in his interviews.

should only scout kickers and punters, that’ll throw em for a loop

are trying to put on their inability to get the inside scoop. I suppose anything to save face.

In comment 13843472 Peppers said:

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are trying to put on their inability to get the inside scoop. I suppose anything to save face.

Perhaps. I would suggest it’s safe to assume that with the firing of GM, HC, and VP of scouting the beats undoubtedly lost some valuable connections. And I’m not suggesting they had a direct line to any of them, but undoubtedly some degree of media sources would have been a casualty of the regime change.

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Run a disinformation campaign.

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or what if we tried and weren’t willing to give up what was demanded? You guys jumping to conclusions like you were with Reese on draft day are hilarious. Giants wanting an edge rusher and a left tackle, news at 11.

That was the problem. When did Reese ever trade up in the first round?? Never. He did not believe in trading up while team's regularly moved up and down the first round quite a bit.

Also, the giants wanting a left tackle and an edge rusher falls on Reese because he left those glaring holes on our roster for years

Many BBI posters say the same damn silly thing. You ASSUME the Giants coveted Floyd + Conklin while never seeing their board or hearing a statement of fact from Giants brass.

Crazy posts go on to claim Reese & Co. let our preferences to be known (leaked) and therefore other teams jumped ahead in order to select the Giant's pick. Yeah, right. You drop your draft board & scouting department because other teams covet the Giants great ability to draft. Get a grip.

There were numerous leaks the last few seasons about giants insider info. I don’t think draft information is the best example of a leaky boat but it surely can’t make trading up or down w other teams in the draft easier. And it surely can’t help when it comes to other teams whomlick right behind you know your pick and thenare willing to give up a late rounder to move up ahead 3 spots to take their guy knowing the giants were picking him. Thst makes a lot easier to gamble.

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There were numerous leaks the last few seasons about giants insider info. I don’t think draft information is the best example of a leaky boat but it surely can’t make trading up or down w other teams in the draft easier. And it surely can’t help when it comes to other teams whom pick right behind you know your pick and then are willing to give up a late rounder to move up ahead 3 spots to take their guy knowing the giants were picking him. Thst makes a lot easier to gamble.

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In comment 13843516 mrvax said:

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Many BBI posters say the same damn silly thing. You ASSUME the Giants coveted Floyd + Conklin while never seeing their board or hearing a statement of fact from Giants brass. Crazy posts go on to claim Reese & Co. let our preferences to be known (leaked) and therefore other teams jumped ahead in order to select the Giant's pick. Yeah, right. You drop your draft board & scouting department because other teams covet the Giants great ability to draft. Get a grip.

There is no assumption. It is one of two scenarios and both show the ineptitude of Jerry Reese

Scenario 1 - the giants coveted Conklin (I am not going to debate Floyd) and sat still while the titans moved up to take him.

Scenario 2 - the giants did not think that highly of Conklin and felt they could get an equal player with their pick (which was apple). They misevaluated Conklin and Apple

The titans traded up because they wanted Conklin and he was within striking distance for them to make a deal. Whether the titans knew we would draft him or not is irrelevant. They believed it was possible which is why they traded up.

I can only imagine the uproar of Reese trading up for a bust pick. Then it’s “Reese is an idiot, why would he trade up for a guy he could have had at or original draft slot”?

I’m not here to defend Reese, he was correctly fired. But to suggest him or any other GM is a moron for not trading up without knowing what actually goes on in negotiations is fucking ridiculous. You can play that game with ever single GM in the league.

Jets took Revis when we drafted Aaron Ross and Bucs for Doug Martin when we ended up with Charles Wilson.

Was it really a big secret that the Giants needed help on the OLine or an edge rusher? The entire football world knew that. I seriously doubt there were leaks as opposed to teams guessing and willing to trade a high pick to get their player.

with any other team that has an obvious need where the top player on the board at that position goes right before they pick. I'll wait...

Some GM's see value in trading up and over paying for a player they covet. Other GM's like the keep their picks, not overpay, and go to plan B if the player they are targeting isn't there. There is no right or wrong way to make NFL draft picks, if there was a formula it would be easy.

In comment 13843232 lax counsel said:

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With the rumors of the Giants passing on a qb. I truly believe this is only to try and facilitate a trade up with the Browns.

There are few things that will upset me in the first round. I'm ok with a QB, or Barkley. I'm ok with trading back for extra picks so long as they stay in the top 10 or so.

Trading up one spot would piss me off.

In comment 13843589 mack809f said:

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Jets took Revis when we drafted Aaron Ross and Bucs for Doug Martin when we ended up with Charles Wilson.

For the 5000th time, it is a BBI known fact that the Giants were taking Wilson even if Martin was there. Giants office told Eric about it around mid 1st round that Wilson was the guy. This is not hearsay or a SWAG - Eric told us just after Wilson was picked.

In comment 13843609 LakeGeorgeGiant said:

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In comment 13843232 lax counsel said: Quote: With the rumors of the Giants passing on a qb. I truly believe this is only to try and facilitate a trade up with the Browns. There are few things that will upset me in the first round. I'm ok with a QB, or Barkley. I'm ok with trading back for extra picks so long as they stay in the top 10 or so. Trading up one spot would piss me off.

George: Don't let a trade up piss you off. If DG actually gave up pick(s) to move up one, that would mean the Giants were dead set on getting a specific guy...at all costs. Example: They are head-over-heels for Darnold and kinda sorta like Rosen too. Do you stay put and settle for 2nd best or try and get the guy you really want? And, at what cost?

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In comment 13843589 mack809f said: Quote: Jets took Revis when we drafted Aaron Ross and Bucs for Doug Martin when we ended up with Charles Wilson. For the 5000th time, it is a BBI known fact that the Giants were taking Wilson even if Martin was there. Giants office told Eric about it around mid 1st round that Wilson was the guy. This is not hearsay or a SWAG - Eric told us just after Wilson was picked.

But who got the better player?

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But who got the better player?

Damn Reese's crystal injury ball sucks. (Wilson, Smith, Nicks, etc.)

In comment 13843245 UESBLUE said:

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What do you think they are doing with his Twitter account?

Remember two things in this:

1. The private thoughts from inside the organization spread on this site is fruit from the same poison tree that so many here also lament as a leaky organization.

2. If a GM is trading up over the Giants because of supposition and rumor, that team has far more to worry about.

I also follow the Yankees like I do the Giants and they are very good at keeping stuff quiet until they make a move.

The Knicks had been absolutely terrible at this for years, but the new guys seems to be doing far better at playing things close to the vest.

It's a good sign that they at least see it as a problem as the Reese regime was fucking terrible at this. Hopefully Gettleman can clamp down on this stuff. To me, it seems like GM/Business 101. Crazy that it was consistently so bad for so long

In comment 13843589 mack809f said:

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Jets took Revis when we drafted Aaron Ross and Bucs for Doug Martin when we ended up with Charles Wilson.

Revis was well established as a hot player in the draft. A team trading up to get him is not indicative that the Giants interest in him was leaked. It was him and Leon Hall as the top corners that year.

"But it's so simple. All I have to do is divine from what I know of you: are you the sort of man who would put the poison into his own goblet or his enemy's? Now, a clever man would put the poison into his own goblet, because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I am not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool, you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me."