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giantsFC : 2/27/2018 11:55 pm
Different coaches and medical yet same injury issues so far. Swarzak, Cespedes join the other 10 guys w injuries.

And pitching looks like it has A LOT of work to do already. This zen master Callaway is either going to back his talk w an epic career or become a complete joke in 2 years.
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It's February.  
81_Great_Dane : 2/28/2018 12:06 am : link
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RE: It's February.  
Jim in Scranton : 2/28/2018 12:24 am : link
In comment 13844699 81_Great_Dane said:
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For one more day!
They continue to play football  
Rflairr : 2/28/2018 12:54 am : link
While the rest of the league plays baseball
RE: It's February.  
giantsFC : 2/28/2018 2:14 am : link
In comment 13844699 81_Great_Dane said:
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Ia Tiring excuse us Mets fan have thrown around the past decade or 3.

Add degrom to the booboo list.
The problem is, these aren’t injuries  
Shecky : 2/28/2018 7:36 am : link
Just aches and bruises.
Every. Single. Team. Has them.
It’s just February, as mentioned before. Tomorrow you can still say, it’s just March.
Don’t worry about the pitching.
Bautista  
DanMetroMan : 2/28/2018 7:43 am : link
very impressive, Molina close to a NP for me.
RE: The problem is, these aren’t injuries  
PhiPsi125 : 2/28/2018 7:48 am : link
In comment 13844739 Shecky said:
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Just aches and bruises.
Every. Single. Team. Has them.
It’s just February, as mentioned before. Tomorrow you can still say, it’s just March.
Don’t worry about the pitching.


Strained quads, strained hamstrings, sprained ankle, plantar fasciitis...

These are just aches and pains? Don’t think so.

Lower back soreness in a pitcher is concerning. Cespedes shoulder could just be soreness but the dude is ALWAYS injured so who the hell knows.

The point is that I doubt every team is dealing with this many injuries a week into spring training. It’s just more of the same with the Mets. We can’t have nice things.
Mickey was saying Jake might not be  
Rflairr : 2/28/2018 7:54 am : link
Ready for the start of the season. So this isn’t just bumps and bruises. Especially when talking about the Mets and so called minor injuries
Jake and Ces  
Shecky : 2/28/2018 8:24 am : link
Have these same aches. Every. Single. Spring.
the comments about degrom...  
Italianju : 2/28/2018 8:30 am : link
were more about Callaway saying he wanted his pitchers to get 5-6 spring training starts and if Degrom doesnt get out there soon it will be hard to hit that number. He wasnt saying that he might still be injured on opening day.

Im concerned cause im a Mets fan and we have seen this story before, but these injuries do just seem like early camp aches. Lagares is running at 90% they said. DeGrom seems close to getting on the mound, Swarzak says he is fine (who knows i guess), and Bruce returned yesterday.
Legares  
Shecky : 2/28/2018 8:35 am : link
Is the only one I’d be concerned about. The rest, pfffftttttt
If it’s normal aches and pains then why not just say that?  
PhiPsi125 : 2/28/2018 8:57 am : link
Why make a big production out of it? You can play, and should play, through normal aches and pains. But when I hear pulled “this” or strained “that”, it doesn’t scream aches and pains to me.

Why do we need to hear every time a player has a tummyache or a pinched genital? Keep that shit in house.
RE: Legares  
DanMetroMan : 2/28/2018 9:06 am : link
In comment 13844781 Shecky said:
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Is the only one I’d be concerned about. The rest, pfffftttttt


Lagares is ALWAYS hurt. One thing not getting enough coverage is relying on all of Lagares/Nimmo/Cespedes/Conforto given the lack of AA/AAA OF depth.
Outside of Matz getting roughed up  
ZGiants98 : 2/28/2018 10:22 am : link
In the second inning yesterday, the pitching has actually looked good. Gsellman, Lugo, Montero, Wheeler, and of course Thor all had nice starts. Interested to see Harvey/Wheeler today.
Gsellman, Lugo, Montero, Wheeler  
DanMetroMan : 2/28/2018 10:23 am : link
will make or break this current "era" of what Callaway/Eiland are trying to do. if they really are so good with pitchers 1 or more of these guys needs to breakout.
RE: RE: Legares  
ZGiants98 : 2/28/2018 10:23 am : link
In comment 13844819 DanMetroMan said:
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Is the only one I’d be concerned about. The rest, pfffftttttt



Lagares is ALWAYS hurt. One thing not getting enough coverage is relying on all of Lagares/Nimmo/Cespedes/Conforto given the lack of AA/AAA OF depth.


I said this all offseason and it’s one of the major reasons I’m happy we signed Bruce. There’s a huge contingent on MMO pissed because Nimmo won’t start. Yeah right! Lol
RE: RE: RE: Legares  
DanMetroMan : 2/28/2018 10:26 am : link
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Is the only one I’d be concerned about. The rest, pfffftttttt



Lagares is ALWAYS hurt. One thing not getting enough coverage is relying on all of Lagares/Nimmo/Cespedes/Conforto given the lack of AA/AAA OF depth.



I said this all offseason and it’s one of the major reasons I’m happy we signed Bruce. There’s a huge contingent on MMO pissed because Nimmo won’t start. Yeah right! Lol


Not only is Lagares always hurt but his style of play is conducive to this always being the case. I'm not particularly concerned with Conforto (once he is 100%) but the others are legit "injury"??. Bruce was a necessary (if not someone similar) add otherwise we'd be in deep trouble. Zach Borenstein and MDD = trash
I’ve been teased by other guys before  
Shecky : 2/28/2018 10:27 am : link
So I’m holding back any optimism. But Nimmo has been the most impressive all spring. Somethings different.
Woooooaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh  
Shecky : 2/28/2018 10:28 am : link
Slow down on Borenstein buddy!!!!!
He’s actually a perfect AAA signing. Think I mentioned him the other day actually. Ton of warts (which is why he’s a career minor leaguer), but at least he’s got some positives.
RE: Jake and Ces  
arcarsenal : 2/28/2018 10:28 am : link
In comment 13844771 Shecky said:
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Have these same aches. Every. Single. Spring.


And Cespedes missed half of last year and about 30 games in 2016 while deGrom also missed a chunk in 2016.

So, if this is the "same old" for each guy, that's not necessarily a good thing.

Side note - I know he's dealt with some lat/other issues, but Jake's FIP is going the wrong way...

2014: 2.67
2015: 2.70
2016: 3.32
2017: 3.50
I keep saying it but you got to keep your core guys/superstars  
ZGiants98 : 2/28/2018 10:28 am : link
Healthy. At least for the most part (every player misses a week here or there) List off any teams top 5 players and then subtract 2 or more of those off the team due to injury and that teams going to be in a world of hurt.
My top 5/key guys are Thor/deGrom/Conforto/Cespedes/Familia.

We are already down Conforto to start. Adding DeGrom to the list would be tough. Hopefully, it’s minor and he’s fine.
RE: Woooooaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh  
DanMetroMan : 2/28/2018 10:33 am : link
In comment 13845009 Shecky said:
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Slow down on Borenstein buddy!!!!!
He’s actually a perfect AAA signing. Think I mentioned him the other day actually. Ton of warts (which is why he’s a career minor leaguer), but at least he’s got some positives.


As your #1 AAA option in the OF= awful. 126 k's over 384 ab's last year... 7 homers... yikes.
RE: I’ve been teased by other guys before  
ZGiants98 : 2/28/2018 10:34 am : link
In comment 13845002 Shecky said:
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So I’m holding back any optimism. But Nimmo has been the most impressive all spring. Somethings different.


His marriage to his smoking hot wife?? I’m actually very high on Nimmo but I still think all 4 OF (Lagares should be 5th) end up getting about equal time due to injuries/rest.
I actually hope Ty Kelly would get called up for  
ZGiants98 : 2/28/2018 10:35 am : link
CO before those two. MDD could be a Lagares replacement for late D but you wouldn’t want him up starting that’s for sure.
Borenstein  
DanMetroMan : 2/28/2018 10:36 am : link
last 2 seasons (PCL no less) K-rate 29.4, 29.1, that's awful. Can he run into one as a PH at some point? Maybe. He's JACKED but as your #1 OF callup... yikes. And we know MDD sucks.
Going out on a limb  
Shecky : 2/28/2018 10:36 am : link
But Dan will like Borenstein by end of the spring, and calling for him come July
RE: The problem is, these aren’t injuries  
giantsFC : 2/28/2018 10:36 am : link
In comment 13844739 Shecky said:
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Just aches and bruises.
Every. Single. Team. Has them.
It’s just February, as mentioned before. Tomorrow you can still say, it’s just March.
Don’t worry about the pitching.


But yet no other team has this list of starting players already hurt. That is what baffles me. It can’t be the NY pressure and media hype bc the Yankees aren’t having this problem. Unless the media is harping on this point bc its An obvious topic that gets met fans fired up, then its at least an alarm to an already shaky roster.
RE: I actually hope Ty Kelly would get called up for  
DanMetroMan : 2/28/2018 10:36 am : link
In comment 13845021 ZGiants98 said:
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CO before those two. MDD could be a Lagares replacement for late D but you wouldn’t want him up starting that’s for sure.


Well that's my point. You may have 2-3 weeks where you need another OF. MDD sucks, you don't want it to be him.
RE: RE: I’ve been teased by other guys before  
giantsFC : 2/28/2018 10:38 am : link
In comment 13845019 ZGiants98 said:
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So I’m holding back any optimism. But Nimmo has been the most impressive all spring. Somethings different.

I also think Nimmo is a key but am wary of his injury past.

Heck 3/4 of this team has a history of significant time missed with injuries


His marriage to his smoking hot wife?? I’m actually very high on Nimmo but I still think all 4 OF (Lagares should be 5th) end up getting about equal time due to injuries/rest.
Comeback player candidates  
giantsFC : 2/28/2018 10:41 am : link
On the other hand, these guys are candidates for my comeback player award
TDA
Wheeler
Matz
RE: Comeback player candidates  
ZGiants98 : 2/28/2018 10:42 am : link
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On the other hand, these guys are candidates for my comeback player award
TDA
Wheeler
Matz


Add Harvey. I have a sneaky suspicion he’s going to look much better today.
RE: RE: Woooooaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh  
Pete in MD : 2/28/2018 10:43 am : link
In comment 13845017 DanMetroMan said:
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Slow down on Borenstein buddy!!!!!
He’s actually a perfect AAA signing. Think I mentioned him the other day actually. Ton of warts (which is why he’s a career minor leaguer), but at least he’s got some positives.



As your #1 AAA option in the OF= awful. 126 k's over 384 ab's last year... 7 homers... yikes.


Am I reading his stats wrong? Milb.com says he had 24 HR and an OPS over .900.
RE: RE: RE: Woooooaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh  
DanMetroMan : 2/28/2018 10:43 am : link
In comment 13845045 Pete in MD said:
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Slow down on Borenstein buddy!!!!!
He’s actually a perfect AAA signing. Think I mentioned him the other day actually. Ton of warts (which is why he’s a career minor leaguer), but at least he’s got some positives.



As your #1 AAA option in the OF= awful. 126 k's over 384 ab's last year... 7 homers... yikes.



Am I reading his stats wrong? Milb.com says he had 24 HR and an OPS over .900.


7 homers was in 2016. OPS over .900... IN THE PCL with a 30% k-rate, that's a bad player.
ZIPS  
DanMetroMan : 2/28/2018 10:45 am : link
projects a line of .221/.283/.378 with a 79 wRC+ and a 35% K-rate. HORRENDOUS.
How many players  
DanMetroMan : 2/28/2018 10:46 am : link
posted a 900+ OPS in the PCL last year? Oh only 13, including Travis Taijeron. 2 players struck out more than Borenstein...2.
Duda signs with Royals for just under 4 mil  
ZGiants98 : 2/28/2018 10:53 am : link
Nice bargain for them.
It'll be interesting to see  
Metnut : 2/28/2018 10:56 am : link
how Duda does in KC. He was pretty solid here and Zips and Steamer both project much better production from Duda than from either AGonz or Smith.

I wonder if Mets would've kept him to compete with Smith rather than AGonz if they knew he would've ended up signing so cheaply.
I think the whole point of signing AGone  
ZGiants98 : 2/28/2018 10:59 am : link
Is to give Smith a little more time, create a little competition, and then be able to cut him easily. If you sign Duda, I think he’s your 2018 starter for the whole year.
HAAAAAAAA  
Shecky : 2/28/2018 10:59 am : link
The running joke with Duda coming up was “he needs to play in KC”. Wish him the best

Can’t wait to see the pain in Dan as he is forced to like Borenstein as the season moves along lol
He isn’t a major leaguer, but a perfect AAA signing. Dans comments or not.
Honestly, there were reports  
ZGiants98 : 2/28/2018 11:01 am : link
Yesterday it takes AGone two hours to work on his back prior to a game. That sounds like David Wright 2.0. He might not make it out of spring training. We’ll see.
I'm more optimistic  
Metnut : 2/28/2018 11:08 am : link
on Smith than most I think. He looks great in camp. Hopefully this injury is minor because Smith needs as many ABs as he can possibly get.

Duda at $4M to be a bench player or insurance for Smith would be a good price IMO. Hopefully aGonz can at least be servicable for us.
RE: RE: The problem is, these aren’t injuries  
Shecky : 2/28/2018 11:58 am : link
In comment 13845024 giantsFC said:
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But yet no other team has this list of starting players already hurt. That is what baffles me. It can’t be the NY pressure and media hype bc the Yankees aren’t having this problem. Unless the media is harping on this point bc its An obvious topic that gets met fans fired up, then its at least an alarm to an already shaky roster.


Not sure how I missed this. But great points.

Imagine the Mets brought in a QB to spring training.
Had a new inexperienced manager after firing last years.
Their top prospect was hurt after TJS
Another top prospect just got Jason Bay’d.
And who knows who else is dinged taking a day or two here and there?
Can’t imagine how the media would react to that....
Their superstar HOPES to be healthy by opening day from offseason surgery.
the Royals are perfect for Duda, and their fans already love him  
Eric on Li : 2/28/2018 12:03 pm : link
for the price he's an amazing value replacement for Hosmer. Would not be shocked at all to see him post a very solid season there.
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ZGiants98 : 2/28/2018 12:08 pm : link

1. Amed Rosario (R) SS
2. Brandon Nimmo (L) CF
3. Jose Lobaton (S) C
4. Patrick Mazeika (L) DH
5. Peter Alonso (R) 1B
6. Zach Borenstein (L) RF
7. Gavin Cecchini (R) 2B
8. David Thompson (R) 3B
9. Matthew den Dekker (L) LF
Anyone watching today, look for  
Shecky : 2/28/2018 12:18 pm : link
Both Nimmo and Czech’s pre at bat routine with the bat and digging. Quite entertaining...
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arcarsenal : 2/28/2018 12:21 pm : link
Looks like no TV today unless anyone has a stream.

Boooooo. Wanted to see Harvey.
RE: Anyone watching today, look for  
ZGiants98 : 2/28/2018 12:21 pm : link
In comment 13845288 Shecky said:
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Both Nimmo and Czech’s pre at bat routine with the bat and digging. Quite entertaining...


Not televised anywhere. :(
Speaking streaming  
giantsFC : 2/28/2018 12:24 pm : link
Any good options to get free streaming of this? Does the kindle fire work? I’m reluctant to waste money on MLB network as I stopped watching them the last seasons bc of the product on the field.
Z isn’t this game in your backyard?  
Shecky : 2/28/2018 12:25 pm : link
Or are you towards to coast?

Hop in the car and enjoy a game!!!
RE: the Royals are perfect for Duda, and their fans already love him  
giantsFC : 2/28/2018 12:25 pm : link
In comment 13845261 Eric on Li said:
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for the price he's an amazing value replacement for Hosmer. Would not be shocked at all to see him post a very solid season there.



If he doesn’t get hurt....

Streaky player that drove me crazy at times but a good team guy.
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