in 3 years will have Odell Beckham Jr, Saquon Barkley(Hopefully), Evan Engram, Sterling Shepard, and an Improved OL.
Keeping Webb and Drafting Barkley at #2 is not a terrible idea.
He might not be the cleanest QB but the Dude can make NFL throws. He would have sat behind Eli for 3 years. He'll be 25 years old. He is going to have 2 seasons, before taking over, to learn Pat Shurmur's offense. And then include the talent I mentioned, It might not be as bad as people make it out to be.
I could be overhyping Webb but I just don't see how Webb can fail with the talent we can potentially surround him with.
Just something I wanted to mention since I hear more about Webb being a 3rd rounder and a McAdoo guy.
Why would they trade him? They are going to carry 3 QB's and they will need a backup for Rosen when Eli is gone if he is the pick.
The issue is that if Webb isn't the answer the Giants missed out on the chance of taking a QB at #2 and then will have to spend several picks to trade up to get their next guy. Keep in mind that Webb was the 3rd QB for the entire year. He wasn't able to pass Smith on the depth chart. Sure he has a big arm but what I find alarming is that Webb works as hard as anyone and he is the son of a coach yet he still has issues with his mechanics.
Maybe not. Rosen will sit a year, wave bye-bye to Eli in 2019 (saves $17M) and keep Webb as a backup.
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if Rosen is the pick. Lucky to get a six for him.
Why would they trade him? They are going to carry 3 QB's and they will need a backup for Rosen when Eli is gone if he is the pick.
The issue is that if Webb isn't the answer the Giants missed out on the chance of taking a QB at #2 and then will have to spend several picks to trade up to get their next guy. Keep in mind that Webb was the 3rd QB for the entire year. He wasn't able to pass Smith on the depth chart. Sure he has a big arm but what I find alarming is that Webb works as hard as anyone and he is the son of a coach yet he still has issues with his mechanics.
Was Webb the 3rd string qb all season because the idiot McAdoo thought of the 3 quarterbacks Gino Smith gave him the best chance to win?
I get what you are saying but rarely do teams draft two QBS and both become really good. We can be the Redskins in a couple of years if Rosen busts out ALA RG3 and Webb becomes a solid starter ALA Cousins. This scenario is a waste of a pick IMO. Just go with Barkley or Nelson or Chubb if you believe in Webb.
Was Webb the 3rd string qb all season because the idiot McAdoo thought of the 3 quarterbacks Gino Smith gave him the best chance to win?
Seems to me that Webb was the 3rd string QB because McAdoo determined that 2017 was a red shirt year for Webb before the season started.
Smith, as a veteran probably gave them the best chance to win a game if Eli was out.
I get what you are saying but rarely do teams draft two QBS and both become really good. We can be the Redskins in a couple of years if Rosen busts out ALA RG3 and Webb becomes a solid starter ALA Cousins. This scenario is a waste of a pick IMO. Just go with Barkley or Nelson or Chubb if you believe in Webb.
The new coaching staff has no ties to Webb and haven't seen him play besides college tape. They won't see him on the football field prior to the draft either.
In 2019, in that scenario, Eli would be gone and one would hope that the second round pick would beat out Webb and be the starter.
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Was Webb the 3rd string qb all season because the idiot McAdoo thought of the 3 quarterbacks Gino Smith gave him the best chance to win?
This. McAdoo was hoping that Geno would step in and his offense would suddenly become special.
Web did not offer that chance.
Sign Norwell
Resign Pugh
Draft Barkley
Draft BPA at OT / OG in round 2
If Webb is not the guy, give me Rosen. Then BPA OL in round 2
Those will be about getting to know the playbook and mostly working out in the gym. Sure they will have a couple of light practices in shorts but that isn't enough to determine whether or not Webb is the answer.
As yourselves a logical question, when it became clear after week 5 that the season was dead and after week 10 that things were just embarrassing, wouldn't a GM and coach be all to happy to showcase a guy that they thought would flash the ability to be a franchise qb if only to save their jobs? Wouldn't Jerry have loved to walk into Mara and say , "look what I found, I still got it?"
Also, how about another logical question, if Webb wasn't currently on the Giants roster, and was in this years draft, would any of you even be discussing him as a legitimate solution to a long term franchise qb, with our second overall pick? I'd be willing to bet very few of you would even have known who he was. He would be at best, the 8th rated qb in this class (as per merged rankings for the last two classes), which means he'd have a legit shot to not even be drafted.
So far the only arguments for this guy on this board are (1) He worked hard behind Eli (2) he's had a year on the scout team (with players who probably weren't even as good as the guys who Rosen and Darnold were facing on a weekly basis) and (3) he has a decent arm and is the son of a coach. This is Ryan Nassib, Rhett Bhomar, etc all over again. Heck, he wasn't even as good a college qb as Nassib. Was the Nassib the long term answer?
Also, we all continue to bash Jerry Reese for his horrid drafts, but in this one instance we are willing to believe that he found the Giants next qb in the third round? We trust his player evaluation that much? I'm going to go out an a very long limb here and say Webb is more likely to be a clip board holder than a franchise qb.
If you want to see what happens when you pass on a potential franchise qb for a mid round flyer, see the Miami Dolphins 2008 (Matt Ryan and Chaf Henne) and then the reach they had to take in a later draft because of the failure. But go ahead, bash me for living in reality.
At his press conference Shurmur said they felt Webb was "draftable" That wasn't exactly high praise he just said that they felt Webb was worthy of a draft pick not an early one. Of course the Giants are going to praise Webb there is no reason not too. The kid impressed them because of his work ethic at the facility but unfortunately we have no way of knowing if he is the next franchise QB.
As yourselves a logical question, when it became clear after week 5 that the season was dead and after week 10 that things were just embarrassing, wouldn't a GM and coach be all to happy to showcase a guy that they thought would flash the ability to be a franchise qb if only to save their jobs? Wouldn't Jerry have loved to walk into Mara and say , "look what I found, I still got it?"
Also, how about another logical question, if Webb wasn't currently on the Giants roster, and was in this years draft, would any of you even be discussing him as a legitimate solution to a long term franchise qb, with our second overall pick? I'd be willing to bet very few of you would even have known who he was. He would be at best, the 8th rated qb in this class (as per merged rankings for the last two classes), which means he'd have a legit shot to not even be drafted.
So far the only arguments for this guy on this board are (1) He worked hard behind Eli (2) he's had a year on the scout team (with players who probably weren't even as good as the guys who Rosen and Darnold were facing on a weekly basis) and (3) he has a decent arm and is the son of a coach. This is Ryan Nassib, Rhett Bhomar, etc all over again. Heck, he wasn't even as good a college qb as Nassib. Was the Nassib the long term answer?
Also, we all continue to bash Jerry Reese for his horrid drafts, but in this one instance we are willing to believe that he found the Giants next qb in the third round? We trust his player evaluation that much? I'm going to go out an a very long limb here and say Webb is more likely to be a clip board holder than a franchise qb.
If you want to see what happens when you pass on a potential franchise qb for a mid round flyer, see the Miami Dolphins 2008 (Matt Ryan and Chaf Henne) and then the reach they had to take in a later draft because of the failure. But go ahead, bash me for living in reality.
That was a great post. Think the Dolphins regret taking RB Ronnie Brown over Aaron Rodgers or Jake Long over Matt Ryan?
if you take gettleman at his word re: "is this guy worthy of the 2nd overall pick in ANY draft?", that is a certainly a tall order. i'll be fine with whatever they do to be honest. barkley, QB or trade down.
As yourselves a logical question, when it became clear after week 5 that the season was dead and after week 10 that things were just embarrassing, wouldn't a GM and coach be all to happy to showcase a guy that they thought would flash the ability to be a franchise qb if only to save their jobs? Wouldn't Jerry have loved to walk into Mara and say , "look what I found, I still got it?"
Also, how about another logical question, if Webb wasn't currently on the Giants roster, and was in this years draft, would any of you even be discussing him as a legitimate solution to a long term franchise qb, with our second overall pick? I'd be willing to bet very few of you would even have known who he was. He would be at best, the 8th rated qb in this class (as per merged rankings for the last two classes), which means he'd have a legit shot to not even be drafted.
So far the only arguments for this guy on this board are (1) He worked hard behind Eli (2) he's had a year on the scout team (with players who probably weren't even as good as the guys who Rosen and Darnold were facing on a weekly basis) and (3) he has a decent arm and is the son of a coach. This is Ryan Nassib, Rhett Bhomar, etc all over again. Heck, he wasn't even as good a college qb as Nassib. Was the Nassib the long term answer?
Also, we all continue to bash Jerry Reese for his horrid drafts, but in this one instance we are willing to believe that he found the Giants next qb in the third round? We trust his player evaluation that much? I'm going to go out an a very long limb here and say Webb is more likely to be a clip board holder than a franchise qb.
If you want to see what happens when you pass on a potential franchise qb for a mid round flyer, see the Miami Dolphins 2008 (Matt Ryan and Chaf Henne) and then the reach they had to take in a later draft because of the failure. But go ahead, bash me for living in reality.
Great post. Thank you.
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if Rosen is the pick. Lucky to get a six for him.
Why would they trade him? They are going to carry 3 QB's and they will need a backup for Rosen when Eli is gone if he is the pick.
The issue is that if Webb isn't the answer the Giants missed out on the chance of taking a QB at #2 and then will have to spend several picks to trade up to get their next guy. Keep in mind that Webb was the 3rd QB for the entire year. He wasn't able to pass Smith on the depth chart. Sure he has a big arm but what I find alarming is that Webb works as hard as anyone and he is the son of a coach yet he still has issues with his mechanics.
How do you know he still has issues with his mechanics.... I haven’t heard Shurmur or anyone on the Giants say Davis is having problems with his mechanics it’s quite possible but nobody has acknowledged that of late.........Webb just needs to show he can read NFL defenses under live bullets he has all the other tools and intangibles imo .....
As yourselves a logical question, when it became clear after week 5 that the season was dead and after week 10 that things were just embarrassing, wouldn't a GM and coach be all to happy to showcase a guy that they thought would flash the ability to be a franchise qb if only to save their jobs? Wouldn't Jerry have loved to walk into Mara and say , "look what I found, I still got it?"
Also, how about another logical question, if Webb wasn't currently on the Giants roster, and was in this years draft, would any of you even be discussing him as a legitimate solution to a long term franchise qb, with our second overall pick? I'd be willing to bet very few of you would even have known who he was. He would be at best, the 8th rated qb in this class (as per merged rankings for the last two classes), which means he'd have a legit shot to not even be drafted.
So far the only arguments for this guy on this board are (1) He worked hard behind Eli (2) he's had a year on the scout team (with players who probably weren't even as good as the guys who Rosen and Darnold were facing on a weekly basis) and (3) he has a decent arm and is the son of a coach. This is Ryan Nassib, Rhett Bhomar, etc all over again. Heck, he wasn't even as good a college qb as Nassib. Was the Nassib the long term answer?
Also, we all continue to bash Jerry Reese for his horrid drafts, but in this one instance we are willing to believe that he found the Giants next qb in the third round? We trust his player evaluation that much? I'm going to go out an a very long limb here and say Webb is more likely to be a clip board holder than a franchise qb.
If you want to see what happens when you pass on a potential franchise qb for a mid round flyer, see the Miami Dolphins 2008 (Matt Ryan and Chaf Henne) and then the reach they had to take in a later draft because of the failure. But go ahead, bash me for living in reality.
A couple of things
1. I don't understand the argument of throwing Webb out there after week 5 or even week 14...The Giants were a mess so why throw the Dude out there when we all know Webb would have struggled and "Trash" would have been his Nickname.
So thats unfair
2.The point of my thread was to argue that Webb in 3 years will have a Top RB Top WR Top TE and above average OL. So how bad can he perform with a potential talented team? You bring up Henne but did henne have Odell, Barkley, Shep, and Engram as his weapons in Miami? or how about if Brady doesn't have Troy Brown + solid OL and other targets for his rookie season?
3.Its again unfair to put Webb in this draft because if he went back to school, how do we know he wouldn't have performed as a top QB at cal?
Let me add his numbers at Cal last season were better than Allen and Darnold.
As yourselves a logical question, when it became clear after week 5 that the season was dead and after week 10 that things were just embarrassing, wouldn't a GM and coach be all to happy to showcase a guy that they thought would flash the ability to be a franchise qb if only to save their jobs? Wouldn't Jerry have loved to walk into Mara and say , "look what I found, I still got it?"
Also, how about another logical question, if Webb wasn't currently on the Giants roster, and was in this years draft, would any of you even be discussing him as a legitimate solution to a long term franchise qb, with our second overall pick? I'd be willing to bet very few of you would even have known who he was. He would be at best, the 8th rated qb in this class (as per merged rankings for the last two classes), which means he'd have a legit shot to not even be drafted.
So far the only arguments for this guy on this board are (1) He worked hard behind Eli (2) he's had a year on the scout team (with players who probably weren't even as good as the guys who Rosen and Darnold were facing on a weekly basis) and (3) he has a decent arm and is the son of a coach. This is Ryan Nassib, Rhett Bhomar, etc all over again. Heck, he wasn't even as good a college qb as Nassib. Was the Nassib the long term answer?
Also, we all continue to bash Jerry Reese for his horrid drafts, but in this one instance we are willing to believe that he found the Giants next qb in the third round? We trust his player evaluation that much? I'm going to go out an a very long limb here and say Webb is more likely to be a clip board holder than a franchise qb.
If you want to see what happens when you pass on a potential franchise qb for a mid round flyer, see the Miami Dolphins 2008 (Matt Ryan and Chaf Henne) and then the reach they had to take in a later draft because of the failure. But go ahead, bash me for living in reality.
Very well said. Required reading.
This. McAdoo was hoping that Geno would step in and his offense would suddenly become special.
Web did not offer that chance.
I think you are right. I suspect McAdoo did not tell Mara about Smith starting. I'll bet he made a vague reference to starting one of the young guys.
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At least 10 more threads on Webb, this hasn't been discussed enough. Perhaps Mcadoo and Reese didn't play Webb because they didn't want to look even worse for the fact that they wasted a premium pick on a guy who just isn't any good.
As yourselves a logical question, when it became clear after week 5 that the season was dead and after week 10 that things were just embarrassing, wouldn't a GM and coach be all to happy to showcase a guy that they thought would flash the ability to be a franchise qb if only to save their jobs? Wouldn't Jerry have loved to walk into Mara and say , "look what I found, I still got it?"
Also, how about another logical question, if Webb wasn't currently on the Giants roster, and was in this years draft, would any of you even be discussing him as a legitimate solution to a long term franchise qb, with our second overall pick? I'd be willing to bet very few of you would even have known who he was. He would be at best, the 8th rated qb in this class (as per merged rankings for the last two classes), which means he'd have a legit shot to not even be drafted.
So far the only arguments for this guy on this board are (1) He worked hard behind Eli (2) he's had a year on the scout team (with players who probably weren't even as good as the guys who Rosen and Darnold were facing on a weekly basis) and (3) he has a decent arm and is the son of a coach. This is Ryan Nassib, Rhett Bhomar, etc all over again. Heck, he wasn't even as good a college qb as Nassib. Was the Nassib the long term answer?
Also, we all continue to bash Jerry Reese for his horrid drafts, but in this one instance we are willing to believe that he found the Giants next qb in the third round? We trust his player evaluation that much? I'm going to go out an a very long limb here and say Webb is more likely to be a clip board holder than a franchise qb.
If you want to see what happens when you pass on a potential franchise qb for a mid round flyer, see the Miami Dolphins 2008 (Matt Ryan and Chaf Henne) and then the reach they had to take in a later draft because of the failure. But go ahead, bash me for living in reality.
Very well said. Required reading.
But it’s pretty darn far from that.
It’s more that these guys a more likely to be Webb.
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At least 10 more threads on Webb, this hasn't been discussed enough. Perhaps Mcadoo and Reese didn't play Webb because they didn't want to look even worse for the fact that they wasted a premium pick on a guy who just isn't any good.
As yourselves a logical question, when it became clear after week 5 that the season was dead and after week 10 that things were just embarrassing, wouldn't a GM and coach be all to happy to showcase a guy that they thought would flash the ability to be a franchise qb if only to save their jobs? Wouldn't Jerry have loved to walk into Mara and say , "look what I found, I still got it?"
Also, how about another logical question, if Webb wasn't currently on the Giants roster, and was in this years draft, would any of you even be discussing him as a legitimate solution to a long term franchise qb, with our second overall pick? I'd be willing to bet very few of you would even have known who he was. He would be at best, the 8th rated qb in this class (as per merged rankings for the last two classes), which means he'd have a legit shot to not even be drafted.
So far the only arguments for this guy on this board are (1) He worked hard behind Eli (2) he's had a year on the scout team (with players who probably weren't even as good as the guys who Rosen and Darnold were facing on a weekly basis) and (3) he has a decent arm and is the son of a coach. This is Ryan Nassib, Rhett Bhomar, etc all over again. Heck, he wasn't even as good a college qb as Nassib. Was the Nassib the long term answer?
Also, we all continue to bash Jerry Reese for his horrid drafts, but in this one instance we are willing to believe that he found the Giants next qb in the third round? We trust his player evaluation that much? I'm going to go out an a very long limb here and say Webb is more likely to be a clip board holder than a franchise qb.
If you want to see what happens when you pass on a potential franchise qb for a mid round flyer, see the Miami Dolphins 2008 (Matt Ryan and Chaf Henne) and then the reach they had to take in a later draft because of the failure. But go ahead, bash me for living in reality.
Very well said. Required reading.
sure it’s an interesting take. Even with the irony of the first line since this post is about as commons, no, it’s more common than the Webb post in the take a QB first right now or you’re doomed forever sense. But, there’s an assumption that there’s a franchise QB worth taking (and one that will last past the first concussion without deciding that drawing a pension is safer on the brain cells). And, for some bizarre reason the assumption is taken as fact.
But it’s pretty darn far from that.
It's really weird that you would blast anyone for assumptions when you've chosen to convince yourself and repeat as many times as possible that Rosen is going to retire the second he signs a contract with guaranteed money.
He should have gotten time. That being said I take Barkley in a minute and give shurmur n DG a year to evaluate Webb. We can move up in 2019 or 2020 if he isn't the guy...alot of shit changes between now and then...to me Eli has two years left....if you think you can win it all take Barkley. If we won it all this year or in 2019,are people gonna bitch about having to trade a ton of picks to get Eli's successor? Personally the NFL is win now every year and I think Barkley is the win now choice. He instantly makes our offense better. He is high chracter and a guy who could take pressure off Eli and obj. Obj doesn't have to make every big play.
Sign norwell and fluker
Draft Barkley and Kolton miller in round 2.
Or trade back into late first for Connor Williams
Let's get to work
We likely wouldn't know enough about Webb whether he played at all in 2017. You could even make the case that more good comes from this than bad. Dude could have gotten killed with bozo the clown calling plays.
I do too but how often does that kind of shit happen... you have to be skeptical of a non descript 3rd round qb drafted by a different regime blowing up for the new regime, especially the Giants. That shit just doesn't happen to us... we have always had to earn our qbs.
In terms of throwing the ball, his deep ball is probably on par with Rosens. He is a tremendous deep ball thrower.
doesnt mean he will be better than any of the guys they take at 2 but you fix the running game with barkley and give them a better OL now if webb turns out to not be the guy you look to what shurmur did with keenum in minnesota
He should have gotten time. That being said I take Barkley in a minute and give shurmur n DG a year to evaluate Webb. We can move up in 2019 or 2020 if he isn't the guy...alot of shit changes between now and then...to me Eli has two years left....if you think you can win it all take Barkley. If we won it all this year or in 2019,are people gonna bitch about having to trade a ton of picks to get Eli's successor? Personally the NFL is win now every year and I think Barkley is the win now choice. He instantly makes our offense better. He is high chracter and a guy who could take pressure off Eli and obj. Obj doesn't have to make every big play.
Sign norwell and fluker
Draft Barkley and Kolton miller in round 2.
Or trade back into late first for Connor Williams
Let's get to work
Everytime I think we should get a QB at 2 I read something like this and say "man this makes perfect sense". Let's do it if Barkley's there.
As yourselves a logical question, when it became clear after week 5 that the season was dead and after week 10 that things were just embarrassing, wouldn't a GM and coach be all to happy to showcase a guy that they thought would flash the ability to be a franchise qb if only to save their jobs? Wouldn't Jerry have loved to walk into Mara and say , "look what I found, I still got it?"
Also, how about another logical question, if Webb wasn't currently on the Giants roster, and was in this years draft, would any of you even be discussing him as a legitimate solution to a long term franchise qb, with our second overall pick? I'd be willing to bet very few of you would even have known who he was. He would be at best, the 8th rated qb in this class (as per merged rankings for the last two classes), which means he'd have a legit shot to not even be drafted.
So far the only arguments for this guy on this board are (1) He worked hard behind Eli (2) he's had a year on the scout team (with players who probably weren't even as good as the guys who Rosen and Darnold were facing on a weekly basis) and (3) he has a decent arm and is the son of a coach. This is Ryan Nassib, Rhett Bhomar, etc all over again. Heck, he wasn't even as good a college qb as Nassib. Was the Nassib the long term answer?
Also, we all continue to bash Jerry Reese for his horrid drafts, but in this one instance we are willing to believe that he found the Giants next qb in the third round? We trust his player evaluation that much? I'm going to go out an a very long limb here and say Webb is more likely to be a clip board holder than a franchise qb.
If you want to see what happens when you pass on a potential franchise qb for a mid round flyer, see the Miami Dolphins 2008 (Matt Ryan and Chaf Henne) and then the reach they had to take in a later draft because of the failure. But go ahead, bash me for living in reality.
Perfectly said. It's a little nauseating how easily people want to pass on our next franchise QB when we're finally in a fantastic position to grab one.
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At least 10 more threads on Webb, this hasn't been discussed enough. Perhaps Mcadoo and Reese didn't play Webb because they didn't want to look even worse for the fact that they wasted a premium pick on a guy who just isn't any good.
As yourselves a logical question, when it became clear after week 5 that the season was dead and after week 10 that things were just embarrassing, wouldn't a GM and coach be all to happy to showcase a guy that they thought would flash the ability to be a franchise qb if only to save their jobs? Wouldn't Jerry have loved to walk into Mara and say , "look what I found, I still got it?"
Also, how about another logical question, if Webb wasn't currently on the Giants roster, and was in this years draft, would any of you even be discussing him as a legitimate solution to a long term franchise qb, with our second overall pick? I'd be willing to bet very few of you would even have known who he was. He would be at best, the 8th rated qb in this class (as per merged rankings for the last two classes), which means he'd have a legit shot to not even be drafted.
So far the only arguments for this guy on this board are (1) He worked hard behind Eli (2) he's had a year on the scout team (with players who probably weren't even as good as the guys who Rosen and Darnold were facing on a weekly basis) and (3) he has a decent arm and is the son of a coach. This is Ryan Nassib, Rhett Bhomar, etc all over again. Heck, he wasn't even as good a college qb as Nassib. Was the Nassib the long term answer?
Also, we all continue to bash Jerry Reese for his horrid drafts, but in this one instance we are willing to believe that he found the Giants next qb in the third round? We trust his player evaluation that much? I'm going to go out an a very long limb here and say Webb is more likely to be a clip board holder than a franchise qb.
If you want to see what happens when you pass on a potential franchise qb for a mid round flyer, see the Miami Dolphins 2008 (Matt Ryan and Chaf Henne) and then the reach they had to take in a later draft because of the failure. But go ahead, bash me for living in reality.
Great post. Thank you.
All of this could be true, but that doesn't mean there is a QB worthy of the #2 pick. The two issues are completely separate.
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When we drafted him I said he was Eli's replacement with full conviction. I just felt he was a guy who would work hard to be the guy....I said 100000 times he needed to get work last year and if I was Mara I would have forced it. Idgaf how bad that is. It was easily in the best interest of the team long term...IDC about he wasn't prepared, what could happen? He dies? He was a good college QB who would have been fine. Lighting it up? No but we could have seen how he handled different situations, how he handled the huddle and relaying the calls. Could have seen his footwork, ability to read pressures, ability to make adjustments. If he sucked, that's fine...there were 100% learnable and teachable moments. We could have gotten a glimpse of what he has...
He should have gotten time. That being said I take Barkley in a minute and give shurmur n DG a year to evaluate Webb. We can move up in 2019 or 2020 if he isn't the guy...alot of shit changes between now and then...to me Eli has two years left....if you think you can win it all take Barkley. If we won it all this year or in 2019,are people gonna bitch about having to trade a ton of picks to get Eli's successor? Personally the NFL is win now every year and I think Barkley is the win now choice. He instantly makes our offense better. He is high chracter and a guy who could take pressure off Eli and obj. Obj doesn't have to make every big play.
Sign norwell and fluker
Draft Barkley and Kolton miller in round 2.
Or trade back into late first for Connor Williams
Let's get to work
Everytime I think we should get a QB at 2 I read something like this and say "man this makes perfect sense". Let's do it if Barkley's there.
glad you agree man. i think its 100% what they do if barkley is there
Quarterbacks have been ruined in poor situations before. 'What could happen' is a silly question. Not sure how you can justify sending a player out there that isn't prepared. That's complete nonsense. That's how you get him or someone else hurt.
The issue is that if Webb isn't the answer the Giants missed out on the chance of taking a QB at #2 and then will have to spend several picks to trade up to get their next guy. Keep in mind that Webb was the 3rd QB for the entire year. He wasn't able to pass Smith on the depth chart. Sure he has a big arm but what I find alarming is that Webb works as hard as anyone and he is the son of a coach yet he still has issues with his mechanics.
The reason he may not have been able to pass Geno on the depth chart could be because the HC who was desperate to save his job thought Geno gave him the better chance to win than a rookie who had never played.
I cannot understand how fans don't take McAdoo's desperation into account when evaluating his decision to bench Eli. Where was his loyalty going to lie? Doing what was best for the Giants, or trying to save his own ass?
I have no idea if Webb will develop into a starting level QB, and I doubt very much that it is even being taken into account with the Giants' personnel team, but I am certainly not ready to write him off simply because a guy who was in WAY over his head felt like the veteran QB with starting experience gave him a better chance to save his sorry ass.
As yourselves a logical question, when it became clear after week 5 that the season was dead and after week 10 that things were just embarrassing, wouldn't a GM and coach be all to happy to showcase a guy that they thought would flash the ability to be a franchise qb if only to save their jobs? Wouldn't Jerry have loved to walk into Mara and say , "look what I found, I still got it?"
Also, how about another logical question, if Webb wasn't currently on the Giants roster, and was in this years draft, would any of you even be discussing him as a legitimate solution to a long term franchise qb, with our second overall pick? I'd be willing to bet very few of you would even have known who he was. He would be at best, the 8th rated qb in this class (as per merged rankings for the last two classes), which means he'd have a legit shot to not even be drafted.
So far the only arguments for this guy on this board are (1) He worked hard behind Eli (2) he's had a year on the scout team (with players who probably weren't even as good as the guys who Rosen and Darnold were facing on a weekly basis) and (3) he has a decent arm and is the son of a coach. This is Ryan Nassib, Rhett Bhomar, etc all over again. Heck, he wasn't even as good a college qb as Nassib. Was the Nassib the long term answer?
Also, we all continue to bash Jerry Reese for his horrid drafts, but in this one instance we are willing to believe that he found the Giants next qb in the third round? We trust his player evaluation that much? I'm going to go out an a very long limb here and say Webb is more likely to be a clip board holder than a franchise qb.
If you want to see what happens when you pass on a potential franchise qb for a mid round flyer, see the Miami Dolphins 2008 (Matt Ryan and Chaf Henne) and then the reach they had to take in a later draft because of the failure. But go ahead, bash me for living in reality.
Because both Reese and McAdoo knew that a 3-13 season, regardless of who they "found" at QB, was going to coest them their jobs. End of story. And I'm sorry, but the "Jerry Reese never had a good 3rd round pick, so this guy must suck!" is simply lazy analysis. Again, I am not shouting that Webb isn't the answer, but I'm not going to throw him out with the bathwater because a couple of guys desperate to save their jobs didn't want to risk playing him.
The claim that he is an unknown because he didn't see real live fire is absurd. There is plenty of info from practice(s), from impressions shared with Mara by the previous staff, and the impression he made on his teammates, esp the WRs.
The claim that has some validity is that the current staff would not have the same 'ego investment' as the previous staff did. That should make the evaluation more clear-eyed.
1. I don't understand the argument of throwing Webb out there after week 5 or even week 14...The Giants were a mess so why throw the Dude out there when we all know Webb would have struggled and "Trash" would have been his Nickname.
So thats unfair
You don't do it for him to get thrown to the wolves. It was a lost season, so you do it so he gets practice reps and runs the offense.
That way, when you want to unceremoniously bench Eli late in the season, you don't do it for a complete bum like Geno - you do it for a guy who might be the future and at least had some practice time under his belt to play vs. the Raiders.
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At least 10 more threads on Webb, this hasn't been discussed enough. Perhaps Mcadoo and Reese didn't play Webb because they didn't want to look even worse for the fact that they wasted a premium pick on a guy who just isn't any good.
As yourselves a logical question, when it became clear after week 5 that the season was dead and after week 10 that things were just embarrassing, wouldn't a GM and coach be all to happy to showcase a guy that they thought would flash the ability to be a franchise qb if only to save their jobs? Wouldn't Jerry have loved to walk into Mara and say , "look what I found, I still got it?"
Also, how about another logical question, if Webb wasn't currently on the Giants roster, and was in this years draft, would any of you even be discussing him as a legitimate solution to a long term franchise qb, with our second overall pick? I'd be willing to bet very few of you would even have known who he was. He would be at best, the 8th rated qb in this class (as per merged rankings for the last two classes), which means he'd have a legit shot to not even be drafted.
So far the only arguments for this guy on this board are (1) He worked hard behind Eli (2) he's had a year on the scout team (with players who probably weren't even as good as the guys who Rosen and Darnold were facing on a weekly basis) and (3) he has a decent arm and is the son of a coach. This is Ryan Nassib, Rhett Bhomar, etc all over again. Heck, he wasn't even as good a college qb as Nassib. Was the Nassib the long term answer?
Also, we all continue to bash Jerry Reese for his horrid drafts, but in this one instance we are willing to believe that he found the Giants next qb in the third round? We trust his player evaluation that much? I'm going to go out an a very long limb here and say Webb is more likely to be a clip board holder than a franchise qb.
If you want to see what happens when you pass on a potential franchise qb for a mid round flyer, see the Miami Dolphins 2008 (Matt Ryan and Chaf Henne) and then the reach they had to take in a later draft because of the failure. But go ahead, bash me for living in reality.
Because both Reese and McAdoo knew that a 3-13 season, regardless of who they "found" at QB, was going to coest them their jobs. End of story. And I'm sorry, but the "Jerry Reese never had a good 3rd round pick, so this guy must suck!" is simply lazy analysis. Again, I am not shouting that Webb isn't the answer, but I'm not going to throw him out with the bathwater because a couple of guys desperate to save their jobs didn't want to risk playing him.
Agree with this.
Because both Reese and McAdoo knew that a 3-13 season, regardless of who they "found" at QB, was going to coest them their jobs. End of story. And I'm sorry, but the "Jerry Reese never had a good 3rd round pick, so this guy must suck!" is simply lazy analysis. Again, I am not shouting that Webb isn't the answer, but I'm not going to throw him out with the bathwater because a couple of guys desperate to save their jobs didn't want to risk playing him.
It's not proof on it's own. But we have more than a decade of Jerry Reese drafts and multiple failed mid-round picks, and multiple failed QB picks to form an opinion on and make an estimate. We have zero reason to think Davis Webb is any different than Andre Woodson, Rhett Bomar or Ryan Nassib. They loved Nassib and thought he could be a starter too. Any time they were asked, they loved him. It means very little.