I think it’s absurd to even consider Tony Romo for the HOF. But before the writer of this article essentially agrees, he takes more than a few shots at Eli and concludes:
Eli Manning is clearly not of the same quality as the other players on this list. I have never seriously considered him a legitimate HOF candidate. He’ll probably elicit serious consideration simply because of two Super Bowl wins (and MVPs) and... well, New York. But by any objective measure he’s not the same caliber quarterback as the other names on this list, including Tony Romo. |
I know it’s a Cowpukes blog but how does anyone say they’re “okay” with Kurt Warner being in the HOF but Eli does not belong? And how does anyone consider Romo to have been a better QB than Eli? I hate to give this guy the clicks.
Making, and breaking, the case for Tony Romo and the Hall of Fame - Blogging The Boys - (
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so you agree,not a hof?
If that's what you got from my argument you are everything Fatman said.
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so you agree,not a hof?
If that's what you got from my argument you are everything Fatman said.
really, so i think that aikman/eli not hof worthy,name calling and insults are the answer,just makes you feel better then go for it.
But to say he has been clutch his entire career, is crazy.....
He had a great run, after a so-so season in 2007....
His greatest season, 2011, was the season that gave him the "clutch title" with all the fourth quarter comebacks....
But Eli has played 14 seasons.....in 12 of them, he had not led his team to a playoff victory......
He has never had a high statistical, eye popping season.....he averages 25 td's, under 4k yards, and under 60% completions, while averaging an int a game.....you play 14 years, where qb's basically can't be touched, and you accumulate stats to get into the top 10 category of lifetime stats.....THIS IS HOW THE MAJORITY OF THE MEDIA AND NON GIANT FANS LOOK AT ELI.....
They don't see that he won a SB with a defense that gave up 400 points in the regular season.....they don't see how he has played without an OL for almost 7 seasons......they don't see the injuries to Smith, Hicks, Cruz, or OBj. They don't see the lack of a running game that he has had for most of his career.....or lack of stellar TE, too...and they just say, look at the last two seasons, without factoring in what Mac did to this offense and Eli.....
Who knows what Eli might have done, if he played with better offensive support? Giant fans tend to over rate him, while uninformed fans go in the other direction....
HOF? I think so, but not a first or possibly even second ballot....it may take awhile....
Good job, Doomster. I believe Eli should make the HoF but I'm not sure he will. If the Giants can fix the Oline before Eli retires, he may stand a chance.
Manning just did more with less his whole career. It's an indictment of the organization that they failed to surround him with similar talent.
really, so i think that aikman/eli not hof worthy,name calling and insults are the answer,just makes you feel better then go for it.
No my point was that if guys like Aikman and Namath are HOF worthy then Eli should clearly be a lock. Just because YOU have different criteria for being HOF worthy it doesn't mean shit. You can't remove guys you don't feel worthy you need to compare accomplishments. Eli will be top 5 in every stat category by the time he is retired and he is a 2 time SB SB champ and MVP. You don't think a guy with the 5th best numbers of any QB to ever play the game is deserving of the HOF?
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really, so i think that aikman/eli not hof worthy,name calling and insults are the answer,just makes you feel better then go for it.
No my point was that if guys like Aikman and Namath are HOF worthy then Eli should clearly be a lock. Just because YOU have different criteria for being HOF worthy it doesn't mean shit. You can't remove guys you don't feel worthy you need to compare accomplishments. Eli will be top 5 in every stat category by the time he is retired and he is a 2 time SB SB champ and MVP. You don't think a guy with the 5th best numbers of any QB to ever play the game is deserving of the HOF?
eli may get in but it may take a little longer then most here would like.
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really, so i think that aikman/eli not hof worthy,name calling and insults are the answer,just makes you feel better then go for it.
No my point was that if guys like Aikman and Namath are HOF worthy then Eli should clearly be a lock. Just because YOU have different criteria for being HOF worthy it doesn't mean shit. You can't remove guys you don't feel worthy you need to compare accomplishments. Eli will be top 5 in every stat category by the time he is retired and he is a 2 time SB SB champ and MVP. You don't think a guy with the 5th best numbers of any QB to ever play the game is deserving of the HOF?
eli may get in but it may take a little longer then most here would like.
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He bet maxes his teammates better? Riiiiight. I’m sure you can measure that too, right?
How did Mario Manningham do after the Giants? What about his awful TE talent post Shockey that he won 1, really 2 Super Bowls with? Jake Ballard and Kevin Boss were awesome right? Did he have any hand in turning an undrafted nobody name Victor Cruz into a superstar overnight? How about post Tiki having a bunch of mid round talent at RB?
Such a stupid comment. And I didn’t even get into calling an actual game and putting his teammates in position to succeed.
I understand there’s serious football fans that don’t think Eli belongs in the HOF at this point in his career. But, I think these people are wrong and I think most of these people are saying that Eli doesn’t belong because he hasn’t been as good as Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers. And, even if you accept that premise, it’s still a bar way too high for Canton. You win two Super Bowls and two Supe MVPs, you start 222 consecutive games in the NFL (fuck the fuckity fucking fuck wad that broke that streak) and you have top 5 stats in almost every category of your position and you’re part of some of the greatest NFL plays and games of all time and, yeah, you’re going to be in Canton.
But wow, Troy Aikman doesn’t belong in the HOF? What would be the argument for keeping Troy Aikman out of the HOF?
Agree with most on here though. He always came up short in the biggest moments. If he did not air mail Miles Austin in 2011 Eli would only have one SB. He missed a wide open throw in a huge game and Eli led two TD drives to win the game. That has always been where Eli was the far superior player.
Definitely did not see Joe Willy play. Apparently his HOF status a fairly well discussed topic and after reading up on it a bit I’ll be happy to take your word that he belongs there. Mea culpa.
Tuck had a zero for the 2nd half, no assists, no tackles, no hurries. FYI
sundayatone : 9:37 am : link : reply
MVP in 2007,tuck was the best player on the field in that game.eli no lock for the HOF due to the many mediocre and sometimes good reg seasons,a 500 W/L record and bushels of TO.
Maybe Plax? Maybe Tyree? Somebody who made a play at crunch time that impacted the outcome, perhaps?
Such a joke.
Romo was a better regular season QB than Eli, the numbers bear that out clearly, but Eli had much bigger moments in the playoffs.
I know it's not the question here, but based on some of the comments I think it's an interesting question.
If there was a re-draft today and Romo was in the 2004 NFL draft where do you think he'd go?
for this fictitious exercise you'd need to assume injuries were unpredictable.
Of Eli, Romo, Rivers and Ben, how do you think they'd be re-drafted (oh and don't forget Losman).
I don't think Eli is a slam dunk for Canton as of today (obviously there's going to be more to his career yet), and I think Romo was much better than a lot of people here give him credit for, but it's silly to flat out say that Romo was "much better".
holmancomedown : 8:27 am : link : reply
should get in for the simple fact that mediocre QB's Len Dawson,Joe Namath and Bob Griese are in !
you NEVER saw them play!
That said, in big spots against really good defenses, the QB has to be fearless when faced with a decision to pull the trigger and then fit the ball into the tight window.
Romo's ability in that area wasn't anything close to what #10's got.
It's like people think Eli's just gotten lucky to be able to suit up for so long in the NFL. In fact, it does take a fair amount of luck to avoid injury in the NFL, no doubt about that. But it also takes a great deal of skill to avoid the type of hits that fell so many others at the position - including Romo who was regularly injured and often lost significant playing time. And it takes a great deal of skill to not be benched over the course of your career - someone go look up how many times Kurt Warner was benched for injury or for performance - and also have a look at how his replacements did. Starts in the NFL count - especially at the QB position. Unless of course your name is Eli Manning and then starts don't count and neither do Super Bowl victories or game wining drives or being a central part to some of the greatest games in NFL history.
And speaking of being a central part to some of the greatest games in NFL history, can anyone tell me Romo's signature games or his all time greatest plays? Serious question, when did this guy ever deliver on the special days?
I understand there’s serious football fans that don’t think Eli belongs in the HOF at this point in his career. But, I think these people are wrong and I think most of these people are saying that Eli doesn’t belong because he hasn’t been as good as Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers. And, even if you accept that premise, it’s still a bar way too high for Canton. You win two Super Bowls and two Supe MVPs, you start 222 consecutive games in the NFL (fuck the fuckity fucking fuck wad that broke that streak) and you have top 5 stats in almost every category of your position and you’re part of some of the greatest NFL plays and games of all time and, yeah, you’re going to be in Canton.
But wow, Troy Aikman doesn’t belong in the HOF? What would be the argument for keeping Troy Aikman out of the HOF?
Anyone who thinks that Namath doesn't belong in the HOF is totally clueless as to his career, don't just look at stats they can't compare to the modern era. Namath and Dawson changed the game from 3 yds and a cloud of dust to an aerial assault. And don't forget that this was back when QB's were actual football players who got hit hard and often e.g. Ben Davidson breaking Namath's jaw. Catch the HBO special on Namath if you want the real story, stats don't tell the whole story.
Simply.
That said, in big spots against really good defenses, the QB has to be fearless when faced with a decision to pull the trigger and then fit the ball into the tight window.
Romo's ability in that area wasn't anything close to what #10's got.
Absolutely, Romo much like Matt Ryan had the ball in his hands many times with a chance to advance his team and could not get it done, #10 has done it many times!!!!
Tony Romo was a better regular season QB than Eli - I think being the best QB twice in the playoffs significantly outweighs that. The author also ignores that Romo was in Eli's path both times the Giants won the Super Bowl and he came up short (arguably with a better team back in 2007).
OK, I've gone through all of this before. I'll simply say this - when you compare Namath's numbers with his contemporaries, he clearly comes up short.
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Anyone who thinks that Namath doesn't belong in the HOF is totally clueless as to his career, don't just look at stats they can't compare to the modern era. Namath and Dawson changed the game from 3 yds and a cloud of dust to an aerial assault. And don't forget that this was back when QB's were actual football players who got hit hard and often e.g. Ben Davidson breaking Namath's jaw. Catch the HBO special on Namath if you want the real story, stats don't tell the whole story.
OK, I've gone through all of this before. I'll simply say this - when you compare Namath's numbers with his contemporaries, he clearly comes up short.
If you take away his ordinary SB versus the Colts, where the Colts gave them the game, then Namath is less impressive on paper than John Hadl.
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simply because of two Super Bowl wins (and MVPs)
Simply.
Other than that, how was the play, Mrs. Lincoln?
It is one of the arguments I use for Eli. If Namath is in mainly for that, why isn't Eli in for two SB wins and SB MVP's?
Basically, the same can be said for Warner. If Warner doesn't win the Super Bowl on a team with a fancy nickname like the Greatest Show on Turf, he probably isn't in the HoF.
Griese is in almost exclusively because he QB'd an undefeated team.
But you still have people who say that Eli has 2 rings and two MVP's but - - - meh.
I don't get it. There are several historical precedents that prove he is a HoF'er.
The Giants upset of the Patriots in 2007 was equally significant.
Which is harder, putting up great stats all the time, or playing well in 6 games (against the toughest competition)?
I'm a Giants fan, so I love Eli, especially his record in Super Bowls. But I can also be objective and realize he has not had a hall of fame career.
He's going to finish in the top 5-10 of every statistical passing category.
Anyway, for the record, I was indeed clueless about Namath, I certainly didn’t see him play, guilty as charged, but I’ve since been convinced that he is a worthy HOF QB. Now, Kurt Warner’s another story. And I certainly did see him play.
I think most - if not all - QBs back then called their own plays, too.
But his stats are not glowing. Look at Dawson's or Unitas's. They are far superior for that era...
I think most - if not all - QBs back then called their own plays, too.
But his stats are not glowing. Look at Dawson's or Unitas's. They are far superior for that era...
Yup, that’s what I gathered. Read that he threw for over 4,000 yards one season and everyone else was tossing up 1,500 or maybe 2,000. Guess it was really the injuries that slowed him down. Also read he was a real gun slinger and that why his INTs were so high. The DBs mauling receivers and gun slinging probably accounted for a lot of his low completion percentages (which doesn’t tell much anyway) and also sank his QBR. Stats don’t tell the story in football. I knew that and should have known better about Namath.
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Which is harder, putting up great stats all the time, or playing well in 6 games (against the toughest competition)?
He's going to finish in the top 5-10 of every statistical passing category.
Well, which stats? If they are counting stats (total TDs, total yards, etc.), then that is mostly a function of his longevity. And if you could figure out the skill necessary to be in the league as long as Eli has, you could make a million bucks. But you have to admit that this is correctly classified as luck.
But as shown by the linked article, for the 'average' stats (for example, adjusted yards per attempt), which are a better indicator of game by game performance, Eli has not had a hall of fame career.
The Giants upset of the Patriots in 2007 was equally significant.
easy now homer...
Eli deserves to be in for his two SB victories.
THis is where id gets messy.....Romo deserves to be in too, because he has his own element of fame, and was better than Eli during the comparative period. May not be that strong of an arguemnent, but given the way the public perceives the HOF, you can't put Eli in and keep Romo out.
By being brash? And doing commercials with hot women? Or wearing a mink coat on the sidelines?
The more interesting question is whether Eli was ever considered the best player on his team. The only year I think he might be considered is 2009. I think Plax was better than him in 2008 until he shot himself.
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The more interesting question is whether Eli was ever considered the best player on his team. The only year I think he might be considered is 2009. I think Plax was better than him in 2008 until he shot himself. Eli Manning’s career isn’t worthy of the football Hall of Fame - ( New Window )
2011 he absolutely carried that offense, especially in the post season run.