Dilfer feels UCLA quarterback Josh Rosen would be the most optimal fit for the Giants if general manager Dave Gettleman wanted to go that route in Round 1, but doesn’t necessary agree that New York must select a quarterback.
Rather, Dilfer says, the Giants already their Eli Manning heir on the roster in the form of 2017 third-round pick Davis Webb.
“I think they have their future quarterback,” Dilfer told NJ Advance Media. “Given enough time and given that they have a two-time Super Bowl champion to bridge a couple years to integrate that guy in.
“Giving Davis a year or two more to develop and learn the ropes and kind of establish himself in the locker room and play well in preseason, it helps your team. Now you don’t have to go overpay at the position, or draft and roll the dice.”
Dilfer also believes the Giants are in good shape with Manning, who has already been named the team’s starter in 2018 and potentially beyond.
“I really like the combination of Eli and Davis Webb,” Dilfer said. “I might be on an island there, but I think Eli still has a lot of good stuff in the tank. Especially considering so much of this game now is from the neck up. Eli has plenty of talent, plenty of juice. He just needs more answers to the test. He needs to be able to win the game intellectually as much as physically. I think this system will allow him to do that.”
I agree with Dilfer at this point in time, and I'm in the "Barkley, or trade back if he's gone" camp.
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They will pass on a QB if they don't like any of the QBs.
I don't see how they can't like any of the top 3 guys.
People keep saying that...but how would that be the case if they like Webb a lot?
If they like Webb a lot and think he can be a franchise type QB in 2 years...why would they still draft a QB?
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I don't think Davis Webb is going to determine if they pass on a QB.
People keep saying that...but how would that be the case if they like Webb a lot?
If they like Webb a lot and think he can be a franchise type QB in 2 years...why would they still draft a QB?
They could really like Webb.
But it's a tough sell to me to pass on Darnold, Allen or Rosen because of Davis Webb.
I think some fans just want Barkley so badly that they're rationalizing not taking a QB anyway they can.
It would be foolish to pass on a QB picking at 2 with a 37 year old QB other than you don't like any of them.
If they trade out of 2, and the QB picked at 2 becomes an All-Pro, I guarantee you the people complaining the loudest would be the same ones who are hoping for a trade down now.
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I don't think Davis Webb is going to determine if they pass on a QB.
People keep saying that...but how would that be the case if they like Webb a lot?
If they like Webb a lot and think he can be a franchise type QB in 2 years...why would they still draft a QB?
I think, if they believe that Webb is the guy, we should hope he emerges sooner than two years from now. Otherwise, he'll only have one year left on his rookie deal which is problematic on two fronts: for one thing, it means they'll have essentially thrown away the benefit of having a young QB and being able to build a roster around his lower salary; secondly, they'll have to make a long-term decision on Webb with only one year of live game experience and without a safety net.
It would be great if Webb was the next franchise QB and he's already drafted and the succession plan is already in place. But it's really just wishful thinking at this point, whether that comes from talking heads like Dilfer or other Giants fans directly. Neither Gettleman nor Shurmur have any reason but to sing his praises at this point, but just remember that the entire league (including the Giants) passed on Webb twice, and nothing since then has provided a reason for anyone to feel more confident about Webb than they should about any other 3rd round pick (and I'm speaking about 3rd round picks in general, not even referencing Reese's abysmal draft record with that round).
It's not impossible that Webb becomes the Giants' next QB. But it's wildly optimistic to depend on it.
+1 Unfortunately, we are where we are.
Again, rationalize it all day long. At the end of the day, this is a new regime who didn't pick Webb. They may like him. They may not. But Webb was considered a PROJECT. Yes, we have Eli for 2 more years so their is time.
But I can't get past the fact that the Giants are picking at #2 and their are 3 QBs who can be had without giving up the farm. Passing up on that because of Webb is foolish, IMO.
Half of BBI pointed to his work with Case Keenum as the reason why we should bring him here. Now that we have a blank canvas in the form of an unknown but talented 3rd round pick from last year, everyone writes him off? No one wants to see what Webb and Shurmur can do?
Yes, the Giants do whatever Trent Dilfer says...
With all the detailed analysis of every single draftable college football player: What are the chances that Webb turns out to be this hidden gem from 2017 draft vs just another guy?
Geno Smith's summons was McAdoo's call -- and hasn't McAdoo been completely discredited?
Stupidity and lack of common sense
That’s why a)Reese and McAdoo had to go and b) Spags was not really considered for HC.
With all the detailed analysis of every single draftable college football player: What are the chances that Webb turns out to be this hidden gem from 2017 draft vs just another guy?
Webb was definitely higher-rated than Nassib. He could have gone in the 2nd round but fell to the Giants in the 3rd. Nassib was a 4th rounder and I think went right where he was graded. I'm pretty sure the Giants knew he was a backup when they took him, whereas Webb was selected to be groomed behind Eli. I think it was also known that Webb would need a couple years to sit which is why he wasn't higher rated, so it just happened to be an ideal fit for the Giants with Eli still being only 36 and apparently playing at a high level in 2016. I don't think Webb will ever be an all-pro, but with the right development and the right system and the right players around him I think he could win football games.
I’d like them to go Barkley, but if those who get paid to run the Giants feel one of these 2018 QBs is worth the 2nd overall, they should go for it. I just hope it’s not Rosen.
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on one of the shiny new toys in favor of a guy who couldnt see the field ahead of Geno Smith they better be right. Or this new regime will be gone in a cpl yrs...
Geno Smith's summons was McAdoo's call -- and hasn't McAdoo been completely discredited?
Fair point. Here's the counterpoint: Davis Webb was a Jerry Reese 3rd round pick -- and hasn't Reese been completely discredited?
That's assuming Barkley doesn't go to the Browns with the first pick.
The only reason to pass on a QB this year is if they feel none of them are any good. The GM does not have the advantage of seeing Webb 1st hand to make the call. There may be others in the org who say he is the real deal but if my job was on the line I would want to make a more educated decision. Webb was a 3rd round pick so some teams with QB needs passed on him 3 times for some reason. If I am the GM I evaluate the draft as if I don't have a QB of the future and draft by that strategy.
It would be great if Webb were the guy. But to bank on that when you are in a position that has only come to the Giants twice in 37 years, and not get a quarterback from a class that until recently was considered a very good crop, seems a colossal mistake.
If Webb turns out to be the guy, and Darnold or Rosen or Webb, also turn out to be the guy....I'd say that is a great scenario.
I trust Gettleman. If they pass on a quarterback, it will be because they don't think they are a correct value for that pick.
I don't believe it will because they have a conviction that Webb is the next guy.
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I don't think Davis Webb is going to determine if they pass on a QB.
People keep saying that...but how would that be the case if they like Webb a lot?
If they like Webb a lot and think he can be a franchise type QB in 2 years...why would they still draft a QB?
I think, if they believe that Webb is the guy, we should hope he emerges sooner than two years from now. Otherwise, he'll only have one year left on his rookie deal which is problematic on two fronts: for one thing, it means they'll have essentially thrown away the benefit of having a young QB and being able to build a roster around his lower salary; secondly, they'll have to make a long-term decision on Webb with only one year of live game experience and without a safety net.
It would be great if Webb was the next franchise QB and he's already drafted and the succession plan is already in place. But it's really just wishful thinking at this point, whether that comes from talking heads like Dilfer or other Giants fans directly. Neither Gettleman nor Shurmur have any reason but to sing his praises at this point, but just remember that the entire league (including the Giants) passed on Webb twice, and nothing since then has provided a reason for anyone to feel more confident about Webb than they should about any other 3rd round pick (and I'm speaking about 3rd round picks in general, not even referencing Reese's abysmal draft record with that round).
It's not impossible that Webb becomes the Giants' next QB. But it's wildly optimistic to depend on it.
And as Mayock said, "If they DON'T love one of the QBs who's available to them, they look at Barkley, Chubb" -- or trading down.
Until then, anyone like Dilfer, Raanan or whoever says or writes that they know what the Giants are thinking in regard to this should be laughed at and mocked mercilessly.
And the Giants should give away NOTHING about what they're thinking. Let's hope they have a tighter ship this year, because I wouldn't be surprised if the Browns were open for business on trades for the 1. Regardless of who the Browns (or whoever) take first, the Giants SHOULD be able to get a player THEY LOVE at 2.
Ding ding ding
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making the decisions this time around was involved in the 2017 draft and they all passed on Webb 3 times.. trust me no one other than media who want to look relevant at this time of the year thinks highly of him to draft over a quality QB this time around.. if any of the QBs available standout to DG or PS then they will take him.. because no one whose job is on the line really thinks highly of Webb..
How do you know what their opinion of Webb is ? Everything I read is that it is positive, Stop the BS.
As I mentioned they all passed on him 3 times at least.. When everyone was looking forward to having a future QB play snaps in a meaningless season.. both his HCs couldn't bring him to take a snap.. Actions speak much louder than words.. there is nothing to like there.. may be in 2-3 more years.. but no one right now knows anything about him..
As I've said all along, if the Giants don't take a QB at 2, it won't be because they have faith in Davis Webb, it will be because they don't have faith in any of the guys available.
arm
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The Giants passed on Victor Cruz in all 7 rounds.
Shurmur and Shula know QBs and have PROVEN to develop them. Eli has two more years. Webb on a rookie contract with no wasted space on Geno. QBs clearly don't need to be Tom Brady to win anymore. These offenses are something else.
That should be taken into consideration.
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I'll play!
Arm - Allen, Webb, Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield
Accuracy - Mayfield, Rosen, Darnold, Webb, Allen
Production - Mayfield, Rosen, Webb, Darnold, Allen
Character - Webb, Allen, Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield
Health - No concerns other than Rosen
Size - Allen, Webb, Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield
Athleticism - Allen, Mayfield, Webb, Darnold, Rosen
TO's - Mayfield, Rosen, Webb, Darnold, Allen
None of us know what the Giants truly think about Webb.
Maybe the Giants defense knows what we need to know.
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making the decisions this time around was involved in the 2017 draft and they all passed on Webb 3 times.. trust me no one other than media who want to look relevant at this time of the year thinks highly of him to draft over a quality QB this time around.. if any of the QBs available standout to DG or PS then they will take him.. because no one whose job is on the line really thinks highly of Webb..
How do you know what their opinion of Webb is ? Everything I read is that it is positive, Stop the BS.
There is absolutely no benefit to having anything but glowing reviews come out about Webb. If they want to draft a QB, praising Webb helps mask their intentions. If they don't have a conviction about any of the QBs in this draft, praising Webb helps his confidence. If they are confident in Webb as their future QB, then of course they're going to praise him - why would they say anything negative?
I'm not saying that their praise is necessarily some sort of smokescreen, but I don't think you can draw any conclusion at all about it since there is not a scenario at all where they'd say anything but overwhelmingly positive things about Webb. It's the appropriate answer in all potential scenarios, so it means absolutely nothing.
If you think the front office and/or coaching staff has some sort of obligation to make sure you know how they honestly feel about anything as they lead up to the draft, you're just being naive.
Gettleman had Newton, why would he draft a QB? Shurmur had Bradford and Bridgewater, why would he need a QB?
Think before you post.
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Webb Rosen Darnold Allen Mayfield
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I'll play!
Arm - Allen, Webb, Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield
Accuracy - Mayfield, Rosen, Darnold, Webb, Allen
Production - Mayfield, Rosen, Webb, Darnold, Allen
Character - Webb, Allen, Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield
Health - No concerns other than Rosen
Size - Allen, Webb, Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield
Athleticism - Allen, Mayfield, Webb, Darnold, Rosen
TO's - Mayfield, Rosen, Webb, Darnold, Allen
Nicely done. One little quibble on size, Rosen is bigger than Darnold.