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"Rosen was the sharpest of all the quarterbacks Coach A met with at the combine in terms of how quickly he processed information and adapted to new terminology during one-on-one meetings: “He was very impressive. He knows football inside and out.”
Coach B concurred: “It’s not close. He’s by far the most advanced.”
"I know NFL folks have concerns about Josh Rosen's durability bc of his past injuries, but from talking to Pac-12 DCs I know they don't doubt his toughness at all after seeing him get blitzed 46 times in a game and kept getting back up,"
Here is a comparison of Rosen's dropped passes compared to Allen and Mayfield's
Josh Allen only 12 dropped passes.
Baker Mayfield 26 dropped passes
Josh Rosen 35 dropped passes
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This year is really elevated as compared to prior years.
It's a combination of relaxed marijuana laws across the country and all of the cross-breeding going on between sativas and indicas.
Doesn't that kind of take the Aaron Rodgers out of Aaron Rodgers though?
Or even notable losses vs. better competition?
I remember Ernie Accorsi's notes on the game where Eli singlehandedly kept his outmatched Ole Miss team in its game vs. an Auburn powerhouse. Is there any evidence of something like that with any of this current QB class?
He’s had them. In his frosh year, UCLA hosted then 20th ranked Cal, with Jared Goff, and Rosen put on a clinic. They won and Rosen completely outdueled Goff. This year UCLA came back from being down 38-10 against Texas A&M and won by a point. Something like the biggest comeback in D1 in 15 years...
don't doubt the talent but worry about the durability
(disclaimer, not a darnold fan either, too many turnovers)
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Otherwise, to me, he's Aaron Rodgers without the scrambling.
Doesn't that kind of take the Aaron Rodgers out of Aaron Rodgers though?
it does, but Rodgers also has exceptional accuracy and timing and is in absolute command of his offense. That's what I think Rosen can do if he can stay healthy.
I like Rosen, but he’s nowhere near the athlete or thrower of a football that Rodgers is. I wish he was. But you are comparing him to the best physically gifted QB that’s ever walked on this planet...
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Otherwise, to me, he's Aaron Rodgers without the scrambling.
I like Rosen, but he’s nowhere near the athlete or thrower of a football that Rodgers is. I wish he was. But you are comparing him to the best physically gifted QB that’s ever walked on this planet...
Which is why Rodgers was a late 1st round pick?
I think Rosen is worth a #2 pick in any draft- that is one of DG's criteria.
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PLUS 2 known concussions and a throwing shoulder injury
don't doubt the talent but worry about the durability
(disclaimer, not a darnold fan either, too many turnovers)
Known concussions. I like the way you phrased that. Eli stands in there and takes the hit, always has. I am sure Eli had more concussions in college than Rosen. You ever see that look on face when no one is watching him, kinda glassy and dufus. That's the concussions right there:)
That is just the evolution of football and the sports in general. There is far more scrutiny on head injuries and much more liberal diagnosis. Every little headache, dizziness, etc. is a concussion. Maybe they are. Maybe they aren't. But the diagnosis errs on the side of caution.
When Eli played in college, it was a different tolerance for such symptoms. You can go back each subsequent class of players and if those players were asked, they would say they played through symptoms that would otherwise be classified as a concussion, nowadays.
Which is why Rodgers was a late 1st round pick?
If I had to guess - his throwing motion. But what does that matter now?
Ryan Fitzpatrick was pretty smart too.......
If this was an attempted shot at Rosen it was a huge fail. Fitzpatrick has had a long career where he has been the starting QB for several franchise despite lacking the arm strength and draft pedigree. He has been in the NFL for over 10 years.
People want Darnold for his IT factor and his escapability. Fair enough. He's got a lot going for him, and I'd be fine with him. He'd be able to sit behind Eli longer than Rosen (presumably) because he ISN'T ready yet.
People love Allen's measurables. High ceiling there, but not a high floor. His accuracy issues worry me. Some people feel he's more Jake Locker than Rothlesberger or Wentz.
Mayfield is going to rub some franchises the wrong way. His talent is there, but the size and the personality won't tick everyone's boxes.
Jackson - you have to commit yourself to building your offenses around his skill set ala Mike Vick/RG3. It's still going to be a lot about beating teams with his legs more than his arm. If he goes down (and if he's running a lot, he will), can your less-athletic backup be effective in that system?
Darkhorse? Mason Rudolph. Sharp kid. Top of the 2nd round anyone? Don't forget, the Chargers took Tomlinson in the first and Drew Brees second.
So for me (and I SUSPECT MANY GMs) it's been Rosen all along. And while I prefer Rosen, I'd be cool with Darnold too. There's be less pressure on him to start as soon.
The other guys don't intrigue me that much.
Hard to say knowing what we know now about ARod. But Cal had a very good year Arod's senior year and he had very good numbers...granted they ran the ball a ton with JJ Arrington...
No doubt the talent is there etc etc, but he is a risk
No doubt the talent is there etc etc, but he is a risk
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Which is why Rodgers was a late 1st round pick?
If I had to guess - his throwing motion. But what does that matter now?
Because to say Rosen isn't close to Rodgers now, well Rodgers at draft time obviously wasn't close to what Rodgers became.
Because to say Rosen isn't close to Rodgers now, well Rodgers at draft time obviously wasn't close to what Rodgers became.
I'm not asking to be condescending, but did yo watch Rodgers at Cal? He was a considerably better mover than Rosen. His athleticism jumped out...
He's the best QB in this draft. Hands down.
Ironically, Rosen loves Mora...
How many football games are you gonna win with a defense like that?
How many football games are you gonna win with a defense like that?
This is exactly how I answered the concerns over his college record.
The UCLA defense was horrid - particularly the run defense. They couldn't stop anyone.
Rosen had to throw for about 450 and several scores for them to even be in some games.
The shootout against Memphis was wild. Rosen threw for 464 yards and 4 scores and LOST.
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For those who want to know why Rosen didn't win more in College do some research on UCLA defense... they gave up nearly 300 yards rushing per game and nearly 36 ppg one of the worse defenses in Division 1
How many football games are you gonna win with a defense like that?
This is exactly how I answered the concerns over his college record.
The UCLA defense was horrid - particularly the run defense. They couldn't stop anyone.
Rosen had to throw for about 450 and several scores for them to even be in some games.
The shootout against Memphis was wild. Rosen threw for 464 yards and 4 scores and LOST.
Yes they were awful ... When u see UCLA defense bet the over
He's the best QB in this draft. Hands down.
I agree with you but for me I am worried about his injury history and because of that I'd pass on him. Without it, he's a no brainier and even being a huge Eli fan, I wouldn't be pissed if they drafted him.
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All you have to decide with Josh Rosen is how worried you are about his injury history.
He's the best QB in this draft. Hands down.
I agree with you but for me I am worried about his injury history and because of that I'd pass on him. Without it, he's a no brainier and even being a huge Eli fan, I wouldn't be pissed if they drafted him.
That's really all it comes down to here.
I think it's a significant concern, too. But for me, Rosen is the top QB in this draft if you're going on ability.
It'll be up to Gettleman and the scouts to make that determination - if they decide to draft him, I'm on board.
No doubt the talent is there etc etc, but he is a risk
Where do you guys get this nonsense? If any of these can be talked into career decisions by Daddy then they shouldn’t be the pick.
Is there an ounce of evidence to suggest that Rosen does what Daddy tells him?
Or for that matter what his Dad even thinks? Plenty of neurologists (which his dad is not- he does spinal surgery) think the number of concussions doesn’t matter
This is just rampant baseless speculation
Or for that matter what his Dad even thinks? Plenty of neurologists (which his dad is not- he does spinal surgery) think the number of concussions doesn’t matter
This is just rampant baseless speculation
I really thinking you are reading too much into this. I think Homer is mostly kibitzing...
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Otherwise, to me, he's Aaron Rodgers without the scrambling.
I like Rosen, but he’s nowhere near the athlete or thrower of a football that Rodgers is. I wish he was. But you are comparing him to the best physically gifted QB that’s ever walked on this planet...
That's fair. Rodgers was the first guy who came to my head when I was thinking of a guy who was completely in command of the offense. The ways in which Rosen and Ryan are different probably distract from what I am getting at. I guess I'll go with a comparison I've read other places - "A Better Matt Ryan".
1. Tedford and his QBs failing in NFL
2. He held the ball by his ear on the drop.
Both ridiculous.
He did not have any issue with this throwing motion. He ripped it out fast. The release was fast and he can snap it on the move in college. Rosen is good throwing on the move but not like Rodgers was at Cal.
Failure of guys like Akili Smith, Boller, Harrington, etc. These failures have nothing to do with the next prospect but Rodgers got knocked for it.
Rosen isn’t in ths class but he throws and moves a lot better than Ryan.
he's the best qb in the draft and is made to handle the ny media and could potentially give us our own favre to rodgers type longevity
passing on him would be awful
Us fans just don't know how to look at Rosen's injuries and determine the risk involved. Should the Giants find themselves on the fence about this, they can always red shirt him for a year. Allow him time to recover and get stronger.
He did not have any issue with this throwing motion. He ripped it out fast. The release was fast and he can snap it on the move in college. Rosen is good throwing on the move but not like Rodgers was at Cal.
Anyway, I would not discount Rosen's ability to jump over Eli at some point next season if he is the pick...
Anyway, I would not discount Rosen's ability to jump over Eli at some point next season if he is the pick...
Barring an injury, I don't see him replacing Eli this season.