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| The Giants anticipated having Richburg as their starting center for a decade. He was the 43rd pick in 2014 out of Colorado State, and after a year at guard he started 15 games at center in 2015 and 16 more in 2016. “We thought we had one there,’’ a Giants source said, “but we didn’t.’’ Richburg started the first four games last season, but his run-blocking was suspect. He was forced out with a concussion in Week 5 at Tampa Bay. Richburg never suited up again, and his relationship with the previous coaching staff soured. Richburg, 26, was ready to be cleared from the concussion protocol for the Oct. 22 game against the Seahawks, but, according to multiple sources, he was informed he was not going to return as the starting center. Undrafted Brett Jones was considered the better option. Without Odell Beckham Jr., the offense was becoming more of a ball-control attack, with D.J. Fluker starting at right guard, and the coaching staff was concerned about Richburg’s weight — he was too light — and his inability to move defensive tackles in a power running game. Richburg was told he would compete at center and guard as a backup. He chafed at that demotion and, a week later, he was put on season-ending injured reserve. “I wanted to play, but that’s just the way it turned out,’’ Richburg said following the season. |
Which is a shame. Either way, he’s history.
Jones played better and id expect him to be our starting center. I wonder if DG just tender him or sign him to a longer deal. I still see us drafting a guy in rounds 4-5 like Mason Cole.
Round 2 is a sweet spot for a RG ( Hernandez or Daniels ).
With Gettleman at the helm, I do not see him wanting smaller offensive lineman like Richburg. He wants hog mollies, these big monsters up front. Shurmer's upside is he maximizes his players potential. Hopefully he uses schemes and designs plays to get some blocking and our receivers open.
and none of the 3 have worked out (2 leaving in FA most likely and Flowers, well... ugh)
really, really hurt this team
in other news the sky is blue, right?
Within 3 years none of the starting OL will have been drafted by Reese. I’m not even sure that won’t happen in 2018, actually.
The problem was never that Reese didn’t use high round picks on OL. The problem is he drafted the wrong people.
he played bigger. Richburg sucks. The never had a stable pocket because he (and Jerry and Pugh) were getting pushed back
Looks to wear the giant snacks sized helmet if not larger.
Richburg may have come in too light
Jones is listed shorter but about 20 lbs heavier if the Giants website is accurate.
'Big' we think.
But, for a center. 6'---2" and 315 is obviously more solid, more condensed and low leverage which is what you want.
Within 3 years none of the starting OL will have been drafted by Reese. I’m not even sure that won’t happen in 2018, actually.
The problem was never that Reese didn’t use high round picks on OL. The problem is he drafted the wrong people.
Not only did we spend 3 premium picks on guys who likely won’t get a second contract with the Giants and are soon to be gone, but we’ve batted .000 with late round picks and UDFAs in recent years.
Hit rate will always be low for guys like that, but you have to find some diamonds in the rough. As we all know, our recent SB teams included Diehl in round 5 and Seubert as a UDFA anchoring the line for years (along with a great pick in Snee and home runs in FA with OHara and McKenzie).
In recent years...Petrus, Herman, Brewer, Mosley, McCants...blech.
Maybe we have something in Chad Wheeler? But to your point, epic failure to rebuild the OL was Reese’s downfall.
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That one of the OL drafted by Reese has not turned out well.
Within 3 years none of the starting OL will have been drafted by Reese. I’m not even sure that won’t happen in 2018, actually.
The problem was never that Reese didn’t use high round picks on OL. The problem is he drafted the wrong people.
Not only did we spend 3 premium picks on guys who likely won’t get a second contract with the Giants and are soon to be gone, but we’ve batted .000 with late round picks and UDFAs in recent years.
Hit rate will always be low for guys like that, but you have to find some diamonds in the rough. As we all know, our recent SB teams included Diehl in round 5 and Seubert as a UDFA anchoring the line for years (along with a great pick in Snee and home runs in FA with OHara and McKenzie).
In recent years...Petrus, Herman, Brewer, Mosley, McCants...blech.
Maybe we have something in Chad Wheeler? But to your point, epic failure to rebuild the OL was Reese’s downfall.
+!.
It would be interesting with further scrutiny if it was determined that Fluker's IR'ing was also a violation. I had a hard time believing at the time that a man of his size could no longer play due to a toe injury. No further reports indicated that he received medical treatment. Just seemed like the prior regime were stashing players and padding the IR figures to serve as an excuse when it came time to defend their job.
It would be interesting with further scrutiny if it was determined that Fluker's IR'ing was also a violation. I had a hard time believing at the time that a man of his size could no longer play due to a toe injury. No further reports indicated that he received medical treatment. Just seemed like the prior regime were stashing players and padding the IR figures to serve as an excuse when it came time to defend their job.
Within 3 years none of the starting OL will have been drafted by Reese. I’m not even sure that won’t happen in 2018, actually.
The problem was never that Reese didn’t use high round picks on OL. The problem is he drafted the wrong people.
Yep... "He drafted the wrong people."
And what was the net result?
3-13 in 2017
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But they were all so good at the 3 cone drill.
And back flips!
Jones uses his size better and doesn’t appear to get pushed back in the pocket like Richburg used to. That drive me nuts about him (Richburg).
And soon we're going to try to spend a shitload of $ to sign Norwell, who wasn't drafted because of his poor 3 cone (and other combine numbers).
The anticipation is the 2018 offensive line will look drastically different.
Which is a shame. Either way, he’s history.
We talked extensively about the article here; does anyone else recall that?
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in 2017. It become obvious Bobby Hart was exhibit A...but this article makes you think Richburg was another guy in that category.
Which is a shame. Either way, he’s history.
It's a little weird to me. I seem to recall a really cool story from his first off-season after his rookie year where he was donw someplace in a Offensive Linemen's training camp. He was there not just working on his physique but also on technique and learning the position. He was even calling out his fellow offensive linemen for not being there or putting in the effort in their craft. The article made it seem like he was not only an intense professional but also a potential leader.
We talked extensively about the article here; does anyone else recall that?
Yes, he attended the LeCharles Bently OL clinic which is by invite only.
While the guys deciding Richburg was the problem,also thought Geno was the answer.
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But they were all so good at the 3 cone drill.
And soon we're going to try to spend a shitload of $ to sign Norwell, who wasn't drafted because of his poor 3 cone (and other combine numbers).
Haha yup. Makes me excited every time we hear DG talk only about drafting tough smart football players, rather than coming up with some measurable metric at the combine that he thinks beats the system
Do your talking on the field at your next stop, Weston.
Do your talking on the field at your next stop, Weston.
I was just going to mention this, makes his end with the giants even more strange. Would a guy that felt this way about off season training not want to come back and compete for a starting job? idk the math and the logic doesnt add up to me, a guy that preformed well for a few season just forgets how to play?
Just a thought but could there be strong correlation with team's overall performance? Perhaps a certain coach who forgot how to adopt a game plan, completely crippled our offense and then was summarily run out of town, had more to do with Richburg poor performance then him being 20 lbs lighter then Jones.
I agree the coaching staff sucked, amd I'm not a big Richburg fan but where does it say he refused to suit up?
It says he was "chafed" (pissed, bummed) about not getting his starting spot back automatically and having to compete for that and a guard spot but that's nowhere near refusing to suit up. Plus there's a direct quote from him where he says he wanted to play.
Personally I'm glad he was chafed. I wouldn't want a guy to be happy about losing his spot.
I once asked Bart Oates about evaluating linemen and he said that you cannot evaluate someone unless you know what the playcall is. To those who criticize Richburg for getting bullrushed, maybe you’re right. Or maybe the play called for a double team and the guard blew the assignment. You can’t tell and that’s certainly true watching on tv
I once asked Bart Oates about evaluating linemen and he said that you cannot evaluate someone unless you know what the playcall is. To those who criticize Richburg for getting bullrushed, maybe you’re right. Or maybe the play called for a double team and the guard blew the assignment. You can’t tell and that’s certainly true watching on tv
in we can add in free agency . Seems to be a couple of good
ones in the draft . It's a shame that Flowers and Apple ended up poor choices that high in the draft . Apple to me
was just over rated and the LT spot is a tough position to
gauge but really there were warts all over Flowers just a very bad pick IMO . To me if Barkley is gone we need to move down and get possibly and extra couple of picks .
That would allow us to take two O-line say Nelson and Price
and possibly get a LB like Evans or a guy like Key .also Darius Leonard SC state .
I once asked Bart Oates about evaluating linemen and he said that you cannot evaluate someone unless you know what the playcall is. To those who criticize Richburg for getting bullrushed, maybe you’re right. Or maybe the play called for a double team and the guard blew the assignment. You can’t tell and that’s certainly true watching on tv
Sorry, you're really wrong here. I don't re-watch tape of the game and it's true that it's hard to isolate on OL play but Richburg constantly got pushed back into the pocket. Over and over again. There was no pocket to step up into. We all conjectured that maybe he was hurt. No one wanted to admit that he simply wasn't strong enough.
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Brett Jones is bigger?
he played bigger. Richburg sucks. The never had a stable pocket because he (and Jerry and Pugh) were getting pushed back
This...
Richburg, Pugh, Jerry... well intentioned but came across as soft and finesse players. Played light in the britches.
We need guys with a bulldog's spirit in there, guys who want to maul. Brett Jones has that, even if he doesn't have ideal measurable. I think that's the kind of spirit DG wanted embodied in his hog mollies. Set an ass kicking tone. The other guys just don't have it.
They've been snake bit at center for as long as I can remember. Seems only fitting that the best center they have ever had in the modern era was Oates, who came from the USFL. O'Hara was a gift from the gods but like you said his peak was only a few years.
Kevin belcher, Brian Williams, dusty Ziegler and now Richburg. That's four legit talents that never saw a second contract here with the Giants. Wtf.
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..calling guys out in the offseason for not working hard to get better and want to puke? Between he and Pugh both mouthing off at that point I got suckered into thinking we had an OL with the right attitude. Shame on me.
Do your talking on the field at your next stop, Weston.
I was just going to mention this, makes his end with the giants even more strange. Would a guy that felt this way about off season training not want to come back and compete for a starting job? idk the math and the logic doesnt add up to me, a guy that preformed well for a few season just forgets how to play?
Just a thought but could there be strong correlation with team's overall performance? Perhaps a certain coach who forgot how to adopt a game plan, completely crippled our offense and then was summarily run out of town, had more to do with Richburg poor performance then him being 20 lbs lighter then Jones.
I've been banging the mcadoo drum for a while now. Players still need to perform and it's unfair to put all the player failures on mcadoo but I do think his failures trickled down to player performance, both in a vacumm and not. I can't stress enough how badly this guy failed here.
I don't care how bad an OL is on paper. The 2016- 2017 Giants offensive performance was inexcusable. Coaching. Period.
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Kevin belcher, Brian Williams, dusty Ziegler and now Richburg. That's four legit talents that never saw a second contract here with the Giants. Wtf.
But didn’t Brian Williams have some crazy eye injury that derailed him?
Was it rich seubert who played center some or it was some other free agent no name who stepped in adequately.